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Pietersen’s tour is over


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 6 Mar 2011 at 11:14
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While the news coming out of the Sharks camp regarding Odwa Ndungane – stretchered from the field yesterday after Force centre Rory Sidey dumped him on his head in a tip tackle which earned an immediate red card – is positive, Sharksworld can unfortunately confirm that JP Pietersen is on his way back to Durban.

While yesterday’s 39-12, five-try-to-zero demolition of Richard Graham’s Western Force side was just the tonic the Sharks needed points-wise, propelling them both to the top of the SA Conference and the overall Super Rugby log, it has come at a heavy price, with World Cup hero Pietersen understood to have damaged knee ligaments. We’re not sure which ligaments he has hurt and are hoping and praying fervently that it’s not the typically season-ending anterior cruciate, but the injury is serious enough to require surgical correction and Pietersen is already on a plane back to South Africa and will land later tonight.

Odwa Ndungane, on the other hand, was immediately taken to hospital, but we have heard from a number of sources that he has been cleared of any serious injury. He is obviously in some discomfort and it’s not clear at this stage whether he will be fit to play against the Rebels on Friday. What is important, though, is that he is in no danger of missing out on the rest of the tour. In fact, the way he went down and stayed down, I’m sure we’re all pretty relieved that the bloke didn’t break his neck. Sidey has been cited for the cruel tip and will hopefully spend a lengthy spell on the sidelines.

With Pietersen having left, the Sharks will presumably call up one of Mark Richards or Luzuko Vulindlu to join the party, with the former arguably the better selection at this stage based on current form and fitness, although the latter’s Super Rugby experience would also be useful. Neither player has yet been informed of the tour management’s intentions, however. The smart money would be on a reshuffle amongst the backs for Friday’s game, with either Stefan Terblanche or Adi Jacobs coming in to partner Lwazi Mvovo at wing, while Riaan Swanepoel should come onto the bench.

Other players to take knocks in the game include (worryingly) Willem Alberts and Jacques Botes, with the big former Lion in particular looking dazed and confused for the last quarter of the match. We know that the Sharks were hopeful that Jean Deysel may be fit enough to join the party this week, but we’ve had no confirmation as yet as to whether that is still on the cards at this stage.

More info as we get it, always.



59 Comments

  • Really sad and sorry for JP he was starting to look back to his best ,but happy for Odwa..

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.03.11 11:19:59 by ruggabugga Reply
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  • Yeah, shitty luck for poor JP.

    Regarding selections, could do a lot worse than Stef at 15, Mvovo and Ludik at wing, and Adi at 13.

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.03.11 11:25:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Thoughts are with jp, odwa and the team:) gonna take more than a dirty force team to stop us! Rest up guys:)

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.03.11 11:25:47 by jessi Reply

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  • @ Big Fish, would be the better selection, but let’s see what Plummo opts for ;-)

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.03.11 11:30:54 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 2) : Ludik had a few good games at wing for the Lions if I am not mistaken.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.03.11 11:31:24 by Danman110 Reply

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  • I think you’re a bit harsh on Sidey. I think it was more of an accident, the other guy seemed to be the one the tipped him.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.03.11 11:50:51 by Ben Reply
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  • Sidey deserves the red, and I too don’t like his response to the card. There was no remorse or regret or worry about the injured player, only disgust and aggression regarding the decision… I don’t feel for him. His partner in crime might be lucky to escape the citing commish… I like all fans am saddened at the news of JPP – he looked in agony and hope his rehab is swift, but complete. I personally would like to see Zuks get the call up – he is explosive and more versatile… Covering both centre and wing – but intrigued to see if Richards can step it up on the big stage… Trust our loosies recover, as much as I enjoy Deysel, the longer he recovers the better. Its a long season. Glad for the victory, trust the next game is played in better spirit. Good weekend fellow fans…

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.03.11 12:04:10 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 7) : Yeah I feel the red card was punishment enough though. As it wasn’t all his fault.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.03.11 12:08:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 5) : Yeah I think you’re right.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.03.11 12:12:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 8) : yep, lets see what happens mate. Loved the sacking of Rome last night, sheesh The Bulls seem lacklustre… Don’t know if they’re pacing themselves for the marathon, or if they’re kak, too comfortable… Time will tell…

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.03.11 12:14:31 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 10) : You wouldn’t believe how happy I was with that. Felt like I was a Highlander supporter out and out. :)

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.03.11 12:16:46 by Ben Reply
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  • Read this in the Tribune. Really bad luck for JPP, feel for him really, only just got back to playing. All the best to JPP for a speedy recovery and hope it is not as bad as is thought.

    SO relieved that Odwa is fine, has concussion so probably won’t play this week. Just pleased he never broke his neck, that was a damn nasty tackle on him.

    Now hoping the rest are fine, few others I read they are waiting fitness test on. Alberts and Bosman. Do hope that Deysel can fly out this week. Just please no injury to him in his first game back. He has been really unlucky last year.

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.03.11 12:19:31 by Puma Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 8) : I don’t think it was punishment eough Ben. After watching that game again, that was a terrible tackle on Odwa and the other Aussie player should have received a yellow card on the spot as well. Or a citing. Dirty play has to be stamped out. That kind of tackle could have ended Odwa’s career or life. Has to get more than a red card buddy. Will teach the others to be more careful.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.03.11 12:23:01 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 13) : I agree with you man but this is rugby and accedents happen. Not saying what happend with Odwa was completely an accident but like you I said it was actually the other player that tipped him over, Sidey just picked him up. So I think the red card was punishment enough for Sidey and they should rather cite the other guy that made Odwa tip.

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.03.11 12:26:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 14) : Both should get cited buddy. Both done it together. Rugby is a tough game, but no need for dangerous tackles.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.03.11 12:48:01 by Puma Reply

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  • Would you rather have Adi as centre when we play the saders with their massive centres, or Swanepoel? I say Swanepoel.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.03.11 13:02:03 by Mocho Reply

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  • Best of luck to all the injured players..

    Sad to see JPP injured again, he was showing signs of hitting great speed and form again..

    Odwa should take the week off and come back for us against the Chiefs..

    I don’t want to jinx anything, but maybe a bit of a rest to Alberts and a couple other against the Rebels is not a bad idea..

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.03.11 13:17:08 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I hope like mad that Mark Richards who had produced many a crowd wowing moment over the years is finally going to get a long overdue chance to prove himself at senior level.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.03.11 13:17:20 by beet Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : I’d be more inclined to put a strong team onto the field to try and secure the 5 points vs the Rebels, do the same vs the Chiefs and look to resting all key players in game 6 vs the Crusaders.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.03.11 13:22:51 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 19) :

    Im very confident that a few resting players won’t prevent the Sharks from hitting 5 points on Friday.

    Take into account that this is a shortened week to recover, with all the other games on Fridays now.. thats 7 days compared to the six days this week.

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.03.11 13:25:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Big blow for the Sharks…he was massive yesterday….

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.03.11 13:30:45 by Hmmm Reply

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  • JPP my wing of the weekend….

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.03.11 13:31:06 by Hmmm Reply

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  • JP was just starting to play with real confidence again, had some great runs, that is a real blow!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.03.11 14:11:07 by Whindy Reply
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  • So sad about JPP – he must be feeling terrible to fall on his comeback. Such an athlete, and wonderful player, hope his prognosis is good. Pleased about Odwa being all right as that was a real nasty. Just as well we have a good pool of players as back up. All the same don’t think that Rebels will be a pushover; they are still feeling their way into super rugby but have some talent in there.
    Wonderful game by The Sharks on Saturday and a perfect scoring result which has set the tone for the overseas tour. Go Sharks!

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.03.11 14:31:58 by Donald Reply

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  • Oh no, poor JP. Just when he was starting to look dangerous. What a pity. Don’t agree with bringing Riaan Swanepoel back in. There is no centre on earth who has less imagination with the ball in hand. The Sharks backline in the last year has evolved nicely beyond the crash-and-bash system and Swanepoel brings them all the way back to square one! Rather go for March Richards or Zuks.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.03.11 17:09:04 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Sidey’s reaction to his punishment was inexcusably petulant. The Force team played dirty and got what they deserved. The Aussies need to drop the arrogant belief that they’re being done in by bad refs and linesmen and accept the fact that they were beaten by a better team. Nathan Sharpe’s continually shocked expression doesn’t say much for the sportsmanship of Australians.

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.03.11 17:15:58 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 26) : The Aussie commentators were saying they didn’t think the red card was deserved during the half time break. That was disgusting to me, you had a player stretchered off, with possible life threatening injury, sent to the hospital, with no word on his condition, and they were upset that the dirty Sidey had to miss the rest of the match. Not a word about the condition of Odders. Honestly made me sick to hear that from them, I mean national loyalty is one thing, but this could have been the possible life of an individual. :evil: :shock:

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.03.11 17:42:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • JPP has a meniscus tear, we will have a better of how long he will be out after the operation. Odwa might play this weekend and Mark Richards should join up with the squad this week, he is currently in Stellenbosch with the sevens Boks.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.03.11 18:35:56 by war1 Reply
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  • Botes has a tender rib and Alberts just has bumps and bruises.

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.03.11 18:37:10 by war1 Reply
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  • From Sharksrugby.co.za

    Following the red card tackle on Odwa Ndungane against the Western Force on Saturday in Perth in the first tour match of the Vodacom Super Rugby tournament, news from the camp is good for the dreadlocked wing.
    In fact, there was mixed news on the injury front as the physical battle took its toll on both sides, with the Force losing a couple of players as well.

    Ndungane had to be stretchered off in the 17th minute of the game following a spear tackle from Rory Sidey which has earned the Force player a date with the Disciplinary Officer.

    Ndungane was taken to hospital but was later released and returned to the camp. “We’re hoping he will be fine,” said coach John Plumtree from the team’s base in Melbourne where they will be preparing ahead of Friday night’s match against the Rebels. “A lot of it was just precautionary. He underwent tests in hospital and was 100% in the morning. We will test him during week to make sure he’s all fine for Friday night.”

    Unfortunately, the news was not as bright for wing JP Pietersen (pictured) who has sustained knee cartilage damage.

    “He has a meniscus tear,” confirmed Plumtree. “He’s returning home and will probably be operated on Tuesday. Hopefully it won’t be as bad as it sounds, and we won’t know how long he’ll be out until after the operation. We’re looking to get Mark Richards over at this stage, he’s with the SA Sevens in Cape Town. Hopefully he’ll arrive later in week.”

    Both of Jacques Botes and Willem Alberts both took knocks in the game but the coach advised that both look positive.

    “Jacques is struggling a little bit with his ribs but we think he will be OK for the weekend, and Willem is fine, he’s just a bit battered and bruised.”

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.03.11 19:03:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Man I’m glad Odwa is fine. Was quite depressed with all the injuries yesterday. I really hope JPP recovers quickly. Go Sharks.

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.03.11 19:19:12 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) :
    They also asserted that skew lineouts should not have been called against the Force as the Sharks did not jump to challenge.

    And the clincher? Cummins’ shocker of a hit on Ludik (late, high and Butch “Venus de Milo” James-style no arms) was “just a good it”.

    Pathetic.

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.03.11 19:41:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 32) : Amen!

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.03.11 19:58:03 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • If JP’s injury is a meniscus tear it’s a MUCH better prognosis that torn ligaments, just spoke to a medical doctor about it.

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.03.11 20:01:05 by war1 Reply
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  • i hear sidey will be facing 2 charges at his hearing the dangerous tackle aswell as retaliation.im hoping 4 a 6week ban.they got to make it clear.no tolorance

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.03.11 20:29:50 by juba_fan Reply

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  • Watched the highlights n damn was that not a big collision game…sharks upped the tempo n glad movovo was around..still rate him to look for work..make him a more effecient wing..he has so much pace…

    Jpp has become an injury prone player..is he actually 100percent ready going into the game

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.03.11 22:22:09 by shaniboi Reply

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  • Who saw the Bath game on Saturday? Olly Barkley broke his leg, ouch that must be shit soar!

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.03.11 23:25:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 32) : The Aussie commentators were pathetic. At least Cummins made the effort to walk by Ludik to check on him on his way off the pitch. Sidey did not care one iota for the player he may have just maimed, he was just upset his afternoon was done. Disgusting, the worst sportsmanship one could possible display.

    You were dead on with the skew throws and their comments. What actually made me laugh is that they were implying that the Force were achieving some level of parity in the scrums. Making comments like “the scrums have been really solid today.” I just had to laugh because if the referee were to blow up the scrums when someone went to ground, like he should, the Force would have only won 2 scrums. They only won two of their own scrums while they were still on their feet. Every other scrum they won, they got the ball to the 8′s feet, they would collapse the front and second rows so the Sharks would not drive them off their own ball. Ref allowed them to play from that position, which is wrong, they should have been penalized each time. The Sharks were so dominant in the scrums, they would have driven the Force off their own ball 90% of the time, if the Force were forced to stay on their feet.

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.03.11 07:18:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 25) : I must say, my first instinct is to agree with you regarding Swannie, BUT…

    1) Honiball/Muller, James/Halstead – all frighteningly efficient atacking combinations featuring inside centres with fairly limited skills sets. Following on from that, not so long ago most everyone was bemoaning Andries Straus’ attacking prowess, yet at the end of last year’s Currie Cup our backline was scoring tries, and Andries was afforded demi-god status. All of which coincided with the rise of SuperPat. Sometimes a player’s effectiveness is not determined solely by his own skills, but also by how the persons around him compliment him.

    2) This is a looong competition, and we need to know what our backup players offer us, and ensure that they are match fit.

    3) Swannie had the opportunity to leave the Sharks, but opted to stay on on a relatively modest contract (I am led to understand), and fight for a place in the squad. That says something about his determination and loyalty.

    So, the point of this long-winded missive? Let’s give Swannie the benefit of the doubt, and a fair chance to prove himself within the new! improved! happy! with proper flyhalf! Sharks squad.

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.03.11 07:28:01 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Does anybody out there have any idea what JP Pietersen’s sprint times are like, and how that compares to Lwazi Mvovo, Bryan Habana, etc.?

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.03.11 07:31:48 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Get well soon JPP!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.03.11 08:48:40 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 40) :
    In an interview in 2007, Butch said that Spies and JPP were the next quickest in the Bok squad behind Habana, followed by Ruan and then Jacques Fourie. Spies used to do a 10.8sec 100m.

    In addition, you can youtube a clip of him against the Force about 2 years ago where he burns Drew Mitchell and James O’Connor. All this from a 105kg wing. THAT’S why I’m a huge fan.

    Holding thumbs for the lad.

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.03.11 09:12:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : I’ve always harboured this idea that Pietersen would smoke Habana any day of the week. Habana just looks quicker because 80% of his body mass is concentrated in his upper body, and his legs are about 40cm’s long, which means if he has to generate any sort of forwards momentum that his legs have to be a blur of motion. Pietersen, on the other hand, just glides along on those 7 foot poles of his, the leagues just flying by… Guess your post puts paid to that notion.

    But OK, so JPP’s not as fast as Habana, but he is a waaay better defender, scarily proficient in the air, and deceptively elusive for such a big guy. Probably one of the first three names I would pencil in on my team sheet.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.03.11 09:25:55 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : Does your user name refer to the Tim Burton movie, btw?

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.03.11 09:27:08 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 43) :
    Not sure who is quicker nowadays: Habana seems to have lost some gas. I got a passing look at the race for the ball between him and Benjamin on Saturday, and they looked even. He might have been chasing from behind though.

    JPP was like Rockoko: didn’t lose any pace when bulking up. Pass this injury – who knows?

    @Culling Song (Comment 44) :
    Like all Burton movies, very whimsical flick. It could be that. Or it could be that I’m just a big guy. Or it could be that a shark is a big fish. The truth is lost in the mists of time. :wink:

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.03.11 09:44:45 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Its really good news to hear that Odwa didn’t suffer any serious injury .That tackle was sickining to say the least!

    It was clear to me from the start of that game that the force came with a game plan to try and get under the Sharks players skins ..there was a helluva lot of off the ball shit going on and the force should be bloody ashmed of themselves ..they have replaced the Brumbies as me least liked Aussie side..Disgusting behaviour frankly.

    They knew they were a poorer side and resorted to filthy NRL style play.

    JPP please get well soon if not for your Franchise but also for the Boks. Whats gut wrenching is that he seems to be back in awesome form. By far the best wing in SA.

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.03.11 10:03:54 by csb Reply

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  • scary fact on the net states, meniscus tear recovery time (fully) for a sportsman is up to 8 months.

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.03.11 11:12:18 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 47) : And yet my sister, who is a doctor says a meniscus tear is not really that serious and he should only be out for a few weeks.

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.03.11 11:20:52 by war1 Reply
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  • Some real pearlers came out of the game.
    Nathan Sharpe telling the ref that “he is now spoiling the game” when he carded Sidey – prat.
    Then the commentators with, on various occasions, thinking that skew throw ins are fine if the opposition does not contest the line outs – prats
    And then when the Force had been well and truely whipped one of the commentators took to trying to ridicule Anton Bresslers hair style. Petty prat.
    These commentators were shocking.

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.03.11 12:08:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) : Yeah, I heard that comment from Sharpe and my first thought that it was in fact Sidey who ruined the match by making that tackle.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) : yup, agreed. i was pretty suprised to hear that they went along with the pushover try (Bismarck i think), when not even me could confirm a grounding, it all lies in the question asked by the ref isnt it? ;-)

    and how Sidey was suprised to see a red card for that tackle… :shock: if he maybe stopped in the air with the tackle it could have been different, but he went on grinding Ndungane into the ground. Shocking tackle whichever way you look at it.

    and i have to add, someone who`s slowly starting to become one of my favourite players is Louis Ludick… he is everywhere, tackles like a deamon and is starting to ask question of the opposition on attack… :twisted:

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.03.11 12:24:35 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 51) : As I said a few weeks ago, Ludick will still repay us in spades for liberating him from the Lions, to which you nodded your head sagely… *high five!*

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.03.11 12:38:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Obviously we have to wait until after JP’s surgery to find out exactly how long he will be out for.

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.03.11 13:05:13 by war1 Reply
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  • So funny to see Sykes waving Sidey off the field :) But he deserved more than 3 weeks I’d say!

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.03.11 15:23:00 by s.h.a.r.k.s Reply

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  • @s.h.a.r.k.s (Comment 54) : that was kinda funny :)

    Sykes and Ali are getting very hardegat between them. It’s good to see.

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.03.11 15:30:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Talking of which….I was worried that Hargs might get cited after he went into a players head with the shoulder when the Odwa incident happened. A moment of stupidity from Hargs

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.03.11 15:48:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : Silly from him.

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.03.11 15:51:59 by Ben Reply
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  • Feel for jpp :-( was looking as if he was regaining some serious form -had a nice in the first half where he just glided past some would-be tacklers.
    And he always on the look for work and strong tackler.
    Hope he will be okay for the wc.

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.03.11 16:23:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • Re: riaan swanepoel : if his handling has improved,definetely give him a try @12.
    I prefer players who are strong tacklers and good passers /catchers of a rugby ball.

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