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But Ma (‘nonu)….It’s JUST not FAIR!


Written by Iza Loubser (Ice)

Posted in :2009 Lions Tour, Bulls, In the news, Original Content, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 17 Mar 2011 at 09:34

It’s been coming for years. We all know the South African public’s take on this sensitive issue. The SupeRugby 2011 is still in its crawling phase. Yet…the ugly duckling already seems to have stuck out its head….

Citings…  And more so the inconsistency of the rulings from the judicial officers.

Why does it seem that South Africans always seem to get the short end of the stick? I have read on Supersport.com about a few incidences and would like to share this with our bloggers who might have missed it.

As the writer of that column said: “they base their judgments not on the seriousness of the offence, but on the passport carried by the offender”.

Ma’Nonu was handed a one-week ban in week one of the comp for his late, high shoulder-charge on Jimmy Cowan. We also know that Ma’Nonu is quite the serial shoulder charge offender…definitely not an “isolated case” where this player is concerned. He has been previously cited in games against the Highlanders, Sharks and Stormers. In two cases he was handed a one week ban – but, despite clear evidence of a shocking tackle on Peter Grant, he was handed no suspension.

Now if you compare that punishment to South Africa’s number one serial offender, JP Nel (Spit – sorry) – In 2007, 2008 and 2009, JP was cited for dangerous tackles. For the first two, he was handed a 3 week ban and a one week ban respectively – for the latter he got a whole month in the Bulls Box, missing out on a semi final and final victory.

A letter from Jimmy Cowan was accepted  and given as part reason for a low punishment blow for Nonu – A letter from Stefan Terblance The Great, was dismissed in the case of Nel.

So let’s do the math here : 2 guys, three guilty offenses each – same offense type: NZ sidelined for 3: South Africa sidelined for EIGHT! Same evidence given in both cases – one accepted, one dismissed.

Now let’s get back to SA Serial Offender number 2. I am sure all would remember Bullebakkies Botha getting punished for a ruck clean-out against the British and Irish lions? A type of clean-out that you see in every game. Can you remember anyone getting cited for this type of offence before that, or even after that incident, for that matter?

Or Schalk Burger Serial Offender nr 3’s four week ban in 2007 WC for a “dangerous tackle “on a Samoan player whilst competing for the ball …in the air…

Okay – now none of the above convicts are on my Christmas mailing list. So it’s easy to dismiss this bias claim by pointing out that they will not ever fall under the “saints” category. BUT – neither can that person that cost me so many points in my first round Fantasy League be called St Nonu. So why does it seem that disciplinary “history” only counts against players with documents reading “REPUBLIQUE D’AFRIQUE DU SUD“??

I think what makes this even more hard to swallow is the fact that in the case where Jarred Hoeata and Jamie MacKinstosh get hold of Andries Bekker -  a Sanzar-appointed citing officer (even if he is South African) twiddles his thumbs and whistles at the ceiling, while they repeatedly landed blows on Bekker.

Even worse is the fact that (AGAIN) – not one single administrator in SA has said a word about the incident.

So, yes, most South African fans do not have any respect for the “independent judicial process”….but can you blame us??



48 Comments

  • Another is Deon Stegmann. :roll: Loftus seems to be a breeding ground for serial offenders.

  • Comment 1, posted at 17.03.11 09:44:22 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • I’ll ma’ hou my bek.

    Gets me very hot under the collar this. Especially after the Bekker incident. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 2, posted at 17.03.11 09:48:40 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 1) : I agree, but I dont think thatis the point here… ;-)

  • Comment 3, posted at 17.03.11 09:48:48 by Ice Reply
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  • Nothing new there. The bokke has twice the number of yellow cards against them than any other team.

    We are so used to getting shafted, that it seems normal to us.

  • Comment 4, posted at 17.03.11 09:49:24 by PTAShark Reply
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  • We are the holders of the WC…they will smile @ us but in their hearts they don’t like us, make the maths…We will be treated different as long as we own that Special Cup :twisted:

  • Comment 5, posted at 17.03.11 09:52:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • Aai Jarson!! Enough with the Bulls bashing!! :roll: ;-)

    Thanks for a good read Ice. I agree 100%.

    SA administrators are weak & that will probably never change! :???:

  • Comment 6, posted at 17.03.11 09:54:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : All I’m trying to say is, is that our players are not exactly innocent here. I’m pretty sure that if we could look up the last 10 years or so, we’ll might get a clearer picture of which country has the dirtiest players.

  • Comment 7, posted at 17.03.11 09:56:10 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 6) : Should I move on to the Stormers? :roll:

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.03.11 09:57:52 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • Not all court judges issues the exact same punishment for the same offences.

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.03.11 10:01:26 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 7) : Agree to an extend – the point here is: where is the consistency in the punishment “term”, eg. 2 weeks for a shoulder charge, 4 weeks for a spear tackle. Not 1 guy gets 1 week and another 3 weeks for the same offence. Nonu here is no angel and also a repeat offender – on the same level as many of our offenders – yet he gets off lighter than another (SA) would – also evidence are permitted in his case to lessen his ban, but not in another guy’s trial – as much as I despise JP Nel – the fairness of the system in inconsistent and its always the South Africans who gets the raw end of the deal. In a nutshell.

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.03.11 10:01:55 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 10) : I agree, but not 100%. People tend to notice only what affects them more closely. I’m pretty sure that if you were a New Zealander, you would have felt that they were getting a raw deal :smile:

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.03.11 10:06:19 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 9) : There is a defnite guideline though to punishment.

    My take is – al these blokes with their fancy lawyers should go. Its you, your coach and the citing officials. Watch the incident in real time and in slow mo – then you get time to state your case in a few minutes. Then that is it.

    The officials should get guidlinese, eg 1st time offender for spear tackle – 3 weeks. 2nd plus offender for spear tackle – 9 weeks. Finish and klaar. Stuff the ja, but the guy I tackled did not get hurt or whatever – make it black and white.

    Another question – cannot remember what that bloke got that speared Odwa? But Kamana’s tackle was way less dangerous, yet he got a hefty 3 weeks ban.?

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.03.11 10:06:53 by Ice Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 11) : Seriously??? Off course they gonna feel the punishment was too long etc – but they cannot compare it to another country like I did the math in the article. So ja, for themselves they will feel the player got a raw deal – but not compared to another player from SA – the proof is in the sum..

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.03.11 10:09:45 by Ice Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 7) : The point is that you wont get a fair picture….How about the Matt Giteau tackle on Fourie Dupreez..and Saffa making a tackle like that would have been binned for months!….Not even a citing for Matty boy – lets also not forget John Smith being T Bone right in front of the ref by Brad Thorn.

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.03.11 10:10:07 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 10) : Hehehe you didn`t even mention our very own sunday school teacher Butchie :mrgreen:

    But I agree, two sets of rules here, no doubt about that.

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.03.11 10:10:26 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 12) : Agree on the guidelines and the more specific punishment for offences. Sidey got 3 weeks for the tackle on Odwa.

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.03.11 10:10:49 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 16) : Thanks – so at least those two incidences was consitent!

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.03.11 10:14:58 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 17) : But then…Kamana is a Lion, but not a SA bloke.. :twisted:

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.03.11 10:15:38 by Ice Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 14) : We will never see it as being fair :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.03.11 10:19:36 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 19) : I disagree – if the same set of rules apply to all players across the spectrum – we will.

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.03.11 10:21:30 by Ice Reply
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  • Again – the point is – Punish die blixems – but punish them equal! :lol:

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.03.11 10:22:52 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 21) : :lol: well said….

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.03.11 10:40:08 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 20) : If one Mr. D Carter hightackles Stephen Brett but he doesnt get carded or cited. Will you say it’s unfair or did he get lucky :wink:

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.03.11 10:44:23 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 23) : Should’ve used Lambie instead of Carter as an example :smile:

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.03.11 10:45:18 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • While I agree with the theme of this article I cant have any sympathy for JP Nel.The dude used to throw highfives after punching players.Swak.

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.03.11 10:53:07 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Definitely double standards, this we know, and yes its our admin boys are lacking the big teeth in a dog eat dog world. SA is famous for letting a citing pass… Andries Bekker would’ve been cited had he retaliated with more venom… Now people know, he can’t fight…

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.03.11 10:54:36 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 12) : I don’t disagree with Kamana’s 3 week ban, even though it wasn’t a malicious tackle as such, he tried his best to dump the guy, and eventually he succeeded… Sidey happened so quickly and was ugly, Kamana had more than enough time to let the player go – play was already five phases on…

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.03.11 10:58:46 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 23) : Please dont use “D Carter” and “get lucky” in the same sentence!! :oops: :oops: :lol:

    But seriously Jarson, If you are guilty you need to get punished – klaar – no matter if I wouldn’t mind getting lucky.. :lol: I am a big activist for fairness.

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.03.11 11:06:26 by Ice Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 27) : DD – you are right and that is why I say – the same offence must get the same punishment – regardless of the “intent” of severity.

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.03.11 11:07:23 by Ice Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 26) : Bekker’s no angel – he’s a regular to the Bin. This time he was on the receiving end. Yes – his nemeses should have been cited but this sport is full of should have, could haves… the wheel turns (Brian o Driscoll as an example earlier this week) and all of those serial offenders will one day get their respective comeupances…

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.03.11 11:11:32 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 28) : :lol: So did you think the movie “Get Carter” was an instructional DVD?

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.03.11 11:14:07 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 28) : :lol: :wink:

  • Comment 32, posted at 17.03.11 11:15:48 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 24) : The day SuperPat gets sent to the Sin Bin is the day I join a convent…

  • Comment 33, posted at 17.03.11 11:16:18 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 31) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 17.03.11 11:17:09 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 34) : Presuming there’s a convent brave enough to take me!

  • Comment 35, posted at 17.03.11 11:20:41 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 31) : :mrgreen:

    Wouldn’t want him dead while I am alive though! :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 17.03.11 11:22:48 by Ice Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 35) : @SharonvanWyk (Comment 33) : Do you have a little crush? :wink: :mrgreen: I cant imagine him doing anything foul either.

  • Comment 37, posted at 17.03.11 11:24:31 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 35) : Sister Sharon…has a nice ring to it! I can nogals picture you directing the choir ala “Sister Act” !

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.03.11 11:25:29 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 38) : :lol: My years of backing vocals would finally pay off! Think it fair to say that while I look good in black and white, the only habits I support are bad ones! :twisted:

  • Comment 39, posted at 17.03.11 11:29:11 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 37) : What’s a crush? Never had one of those!

  • Comment 40, posted at 17.03.11 11:33:47 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 36) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 17.03.11 11:35:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • We do play a much more off the ball type game but we are use to it, we grow up with it-thats why we don’t always cry about it-we definitely get the raw deal from refs…but in recent years I think that the aussies are really trying to dethrone us…the force sharks game comes to mind…when it comes to dishing out-we are the silent masters…the rugby world knows it…and they ‘deal’ with it…

  • Comment 42, posted at 17.03.11 15:44:37 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • its plain and simple they just don’t love SA like we do they just like to pic on the cup holders like charlie says and then they just might have friends up in high places who i don’t know but like Sharon says the wheel is going to turn sometime when is the Q is what i would like to know and until then guys go slow and show we still can take what is coming for us for when the bom goes off at some stage they will get what is coming to them double
    time

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.03.11 06:02:59 by chaz Reply

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  • Lifes not fair ! :cool:

    Bekker got away lucky !

    Hoeata was never aloud back….. I wonder why ? ;-)

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.03.11 07:19:46 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • I think you living in a dream world!! it is never going to change accept it stop winging and move on is my advise to you.

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.03.11 14:02:12 by theswan4 Reply

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  • @theswan4 (Comment 45) : and you are talking to….?

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.03.11 14:20:45 by Ice Reply
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  • anyone who is listening.

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.03.11 14:22:09 by theswan4 Reply

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  • @theswan4 (Comment 47) : :lol: It’s just a discussion ….people can dream! ;-)

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.03.11 14:28:25 by Ice Reply
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