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Just the Numbers


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Original Content, Super Rugby on 14 Apr 2011 at 06:45
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Just before the halfway stage of the competition, lets have a look at the player numbers.

There are a few surprises in here.   A special mentions are in order. 

Coenie Oosthuizen is the most penalised player in the torurnament having amassed 19 penalties in 8 games :shock:        8 more than the next player.

Sonny Bill Williams has almost DOUBLE  (29) the amount of offloads of the player in 2nd place.

Willem Alberts leads the Most runs made table quite handsomely over Nathan Sharpe.

Most Points

1. Peter Grant (Stormers) 100
2. James O’Connor (Force) 93
3. Quade Cooper (Reds) 87
4. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 84
5. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 81
5. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 81
7. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 74
8. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 70
9. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 68
10. Elton Jantjies (Lions) 63

Most Tries

1. Sean Maitland (Crusaders) 7
2. Drew Mitchell (Waratahs) 5
2. Israel Dagg (Crusaders) 5
4. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 4
5. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 3
5. Bjorn Basson (Bulls) 3
5. Jared Payne (Blues) 3
5. Kade Poki (Highlanders) 3
5. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 3
5. Lelia Masaga (Chiefs) 3
5. Michael Harris (Reds) 3
5. Rene Ranger (Blues) 3
5. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 3
5. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 3
5. Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders) 3
5. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 3

Most Conversions

1. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 14
2. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 11
2. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 11
2. Quade Cooper (Reds) 11
5. Luke McAlister (Blues) 10
6. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 9
6. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 9
8. Peter Grant (Stormers) 8
9. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 7
10. Michael Harris (Reds) 5
10. Stephen Donald (Chiefs) 5

Most Penalty Goals

1. Peter Grant (Stormers) 28
2. James O’Connor (Force) 25
3. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 19
3. Quade Cooper (Reds) 19
5. Elton Jantjies (Lions) 18
5. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 18
7. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 17
8. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 15
9. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 14
10. Luke McAlister (Blues) 12

Most Tackles Made

1. Jarrod Saffy (Rebels) 94
2. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 93
3. Alando Soakai (Highlanders) 92
4. Scott Waldrom (Chiefs) 88
4. Tanerau Latimer (Chiefs) 88
6. Victor Vito (Hurricanes) 85
7. Franco van der Merwe (Lions) 82
7. Wynand Olivier (Bulls) 82
9. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 81
10. Keegan Daniel (Sharks) 80
10. Liam Messam (Chiefs) 80

Most Runs

1. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 82
2. Nathan Sharpe (Force) 73
3. Derick Minnie (Lions) 71
4. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs) 67
5. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 66
6. Doppies la Grange (Lions) 65
7. Pierre Spies (Bulls) 63
7. Shaun Treeby (Highlanders) 63
9. Keven Mealamu (Blues) 62
10. Nasi Manu (Highlanders) 61

Most Run Metres

1. Isaia Toeava (Blues) 724
2. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 620
3. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs) 587
4. Doppies la Grange (Lions) 543
5. Digby Ioane (Reds) 529
6. Rene Ranger (Blues) 521
7. Ben Smith (Highlanders) 513
8. Drew Mitchell (Waratahs) 509
9. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 507
9. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 507

Most Kicks

1. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 76
2. Quade Cooper (Reds) 73
3. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 63
4. Peter Grant (Stormers) 57
5. Will Genia (Reds) 55
6. Elton Jantjies (Lions) 48
7. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 47
8. James O’Connor (Force) 45
8. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 45
10. Stephen Brett (Blues) 42

Most Kick Metres

1. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 2936
2. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 2918
3. Quade Cooper (Reds) 2497
4. Elton Jantjies (Lions) 2238
5. Peter Grant (Stormers) 2023
6. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 1911
7. Will Genia (Reds) 1873
8. James O’Connor (Force) 1676
9. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 1642
10. Riaan Viljoen (Cheetahs) 1635

Most Linebreaks

1. Digby Ioane (Reds) 8
2. Sean Maitland (Crusaders) 7
3. Drew Mitchell (Waratahs) 6
3. Isaia Toeava (Blues) 6
3. James O’Connor (Force) 6
3. Jared Payne (Blues) 6
3. Quade Cooper (Reds) 6
3. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 6
9. Israel Dagg (Crusaders) 5
9. Jaque Fourie (Stormers) 5
9. Kade Poki (Highlanders) 5
9. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 5
9. Pat McCabe (Brumbies) 5
9. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 5
9. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs) 5

Most Pick And Drives

1. Ged Robinson (Rebels) 17
2. Mahonri Schwalger (Highlanders) 16
3. Jamie Mackintosh (Highlanders) 15
4. Keven Mealamu (Blues) 14
4. Liam Messam (Chiefs) 14
4. Tony Woodcock (Blues) 14
7. John Schwalger (Hurricanes) 13
8. Nasi Manu (Highlanders) 12
8. Nathan Sharpe (Force) 12
8. Sam Wykes (Force) 12
8. Steven Sykes (Sharks) 12
8. Tanerau Latimer (Chiefs) 12

Most Try Assists

1. Fourie du Preez (Bulls) 5
1. Luke Burgess (Waratahs) 5
3. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 4
4. Isaia Toeava (Blues) 3
4. Quade Cooper (Reds) 3
4. Rene Ranger (Blues) 3
4. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 3
4. Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders) 3
4. Zac Guildford (Crusaders) 3
10. Andrew Ellis (Crusaders) 2
10. Bandise Maku (Lions) 2
10. Ben Smith (Highlanders) 2
10. Berrick Barnes (Waratahs) 2
10. Cameron Shepherd (Force) 2
10. Jacques-Louis Potgieter (Sharks) 2
10. Jimmy Cowan (Highlanders) 2
10. Luke McAlister (Blues) 2
10. Tatafu Polota-Nau (Waratahs) 2
10. Waylon Murray (Lions) 2
10. Wynand Olivier (Bulls) 2

Most Linebreak Assists

1. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 6
1. Luke Burgess (Waratahs) 6
1. Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders) 6
4. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 5
5. Colin Slade (Highlanders) 4
5. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 4
5. Quade Cooper (Reds) 4
5. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 4
9. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 3
9. Cameron Shepherd (Force) 3
9. Fourie du Preez (Bulls) 3
9. Isaia Toeava (Blues) 3
9. Kade Poki (Highlanders) 3
9. Mike Delany (Chiefs) 3

9. Stephen Brett (Blues) 3

9. Will Genia (Reds) 3

Most Offloads

1. Sonny Bill Williams (Crusaders) 29
2. Luke Burgess (Waratahs) 15
3. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 13
3. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 13
3. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs) 13
6. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 12
6. David Smith (Force) 12
6. Digby Ioane (Reds) 12
9. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 11
10. Brendon Leonard (Chiefs) 10
10. Charl Mcleod (Sharks) 10
10. Israel Dagg (Crusaders) 10
10. Jaque Fourie (Stormers) 10
10. Jarrod Saffy (Rebels) 10
10. Michael Killian (Lions) 10
10. Rene Ranger (Blues) 10

Most Pilfers

1. Patrick McCutcheon (Waratahs) 7
2. Coenrad Oosthuizen (Cheetahs) 4
2. David Pocock (Force) 4
2. Francois Louw (Stormers) 4
2. Ita Vaea (Brumbies) 4
2. Louis Ludik (Sharks) 4
2. Matt Todd (Crusaders) 4
2. Matthew Hodgson (Force) 4
2. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 4

Most Lineouts Won

1. Andries Bekker (Stormers) 38
2. Franco van der Merwe (Lions) 36
3. Mark Chisholm (Brumbies) 33
4. Victor Matfield (Bulls) 32
5. Nathan Sharpe (Force) 30
6. Alistair Hargreaves (Sharks) 28
7. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 27
7. Ben Mowen (Waratahs) 27
9. Alister Campbell (Rebels) 26
10. Kurtis Haiu (Blues) 24
10. Wilhelm Steenkamp (Cheetahs) 24

Most Penalties Conceded

1. Coenrad Oosthuizen (Cheetahs) 19
2. Derick Minnie (Lions) 11
2. Francois Louw (Stormers) 11
2. Greg Somerville (Rebels) 11
5. Ben Daley (Reds) 10
5. Charl Mcleod (Sharks) 10
5. Deon Stegmann (Bulls) 10
5. Jamie Mackintosh (Highlanders) 10
5. Jarrad Hoeata (Highlanders) 10
10. Bakkies Botha (Bulls) 9
10. Beast Mtawarira (Sharks) 9
10. Ben Alexander (Brumbies) 9
10. Sekope Kepu (Waratahs) 9
10. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs) 9
10. Tony Woodcock (Blues) 9
10. Wyatt Crockett (Crusaders) 9

Most Turnovers

1. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 30
2. Quade Cooper (Reds) 22
3. Bryan Habana (Stormers) 21
3. Deon Fourie (Stormers) 21
3. Ged Robinson (Rebels) 21
3. Ryno Barnes (Cheetahs) 21
3. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs) 21
8. Bandise Maku (Lions) 20
9. Corey Flynn (Crusaders) 19
9. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 19

Most Missed Tackles

1. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 30
2. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 24
3. Ashley Johnson (Cheetahs) 22
4. Cooper Vuna (Rebels) 20
4. Julian Huxley (Rebels) 20
4. Nasi Manu (Highlanders) 20
7. Brett Sheehan (Force) 19
7. Nick Phipps (Rebels) 19
7. Robert Ebersohn (Cheetahs) 19
10. Digby Ioane (Reds) 18
10. Josh Strauss (Lions) 18
10. Victor Matfield (Bulls) 18
13. Coenrad Oosthuizen (Cheetahs) 17
13. Fourie du Preez (Bulls) 17
13. Kabamba Floors (Cheetahs) 17
13. Sias Ebersohn (Cheetahs) 17
13. Wilhelm Steenkamp (Cheetahs) 17
13. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 17
19. Anthony Faingaa (Reds) 16
19. Nick Cummins (Force) 16

 


108 Comments

  • Have Fun. ;-)

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.04.11 06:46:29 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) :

    Awesome KSA, Punter is going to go to bed with this article tonight ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.04.11 06:59:59 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 2) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.04.11 07:01:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Whats a Pilfer?

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.04.11 07:18:34 by FerrisWJ Reply

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  • Don’t whant to start the day negative but my hopes have been dashed a little bit headlines in the Witness this morning ” Lambie to go under the knife” :(

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.04.11 07:23:39 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 5) : That would be real bad…

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.04.11 07:58:33 by King Shark Reply
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  • Most Tackles Made

    1. Jarrod Saffy (Rebels) 94
    2. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 93
    3. Alando Soakai (Highlanders) 92
    4. Scott Waldrom (Chiefs) 88
    4. Tanerau Latimer (Chiefs) 88
    6. Victor Vito (Hurricanes) 85
    7. Franco van der Merwe (Lions) 82
    7. Wynand Olivier (Bulls) 82

    Shouldn’t That 82 from Wynand Olivier fall under the missed tackles stat? :)

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.04.11 07:58:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 5) : read the whole article, dammit, before giving us heart failure! :mrgreen:

    He’s going under to get the pin removed. He will be back in time to face the Hurricanes.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.04.11 08:01:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 5) : I can’t read the whole article, but the opening paragraph says

    “FLYHALF and playmaker Pat Lambie undergoes surgery today to remove the pin from his broken finger and he is expected to be back for the Sharks’ next Super Rugby outing against the Hurricanes in Durban on April 23.”

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.04.11 08:01:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • quite surprised to see Big Vic up there in the “most missed tackles” block

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.04.11 08:02:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : I’m not suprised I’m shocked.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.04.11 08:04:22 by Ben Reply
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  • Rob Dylan imagine how I have been feeling :( was late and all the robots were green so couldn’t buy the paper I have been swearing my way to work thank you for returning me to good humour :)

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.04.11 08:07:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 11) : ben, what did chelsea think in playing torres?? :twisted:

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.04.11 08:14:23 by VanWilder Reply

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  • I see Keegan aka K-dog, has a slot on Sharkbite called ‘Dogbox’ where he interviews his teammates :cool: 1st customer was Lambie, the little fellow seemed quite shy :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.04.11 08:14:44 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 13) : Ask the right question rather. What did Chelsea think buying Torres!? ;)

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.04.11 08:17:08 by Ben Reply
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  • Bismarck is a fetcher, this is well documented… Do The Sharks need to play a fetcher? Daniel 6, Deysel 7, Alberts 8 – Kanko bench. We can rotate our loose forwards nicely quite soon, hoping Deysel has another confidence boosting stormer in Nelspruit.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.04.11 08:28:07 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Thanks for clearing that up!

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.04.11 08:42:56 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Thanks KSA, This is some relly awesome stuff. Interesting how intro can differ. When I got to work this morning one of the first news threads I saw said that Coenie is the best Prop in SA according to Willie Meyer. Then I see this and the first line says Coenie is the most penalised player. When these people write their articles, do they actually do some research on a player before telling every that said player is the best in the world and best of all time?

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.04.11 09:21:07 by Viking Reply
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  • So apparently Super Sarel is considering offers from NZ and Aus. Its a shame because I think at the moment he is our best scrum-half by a country mile. If he does get selected for the rwc, he will have to take Hougaards place. They both play wing and scrum-half. It would be good to see them face of when the Bulls play against the Cheetahs. At the moment after the Sharks my second team to support are the Free Staters.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.04.11 09:23:27 by Mocho Reply

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  • Okay, lets be honest, Bismarck may not be finding his men in the lineouts at the moment but the stats shows why he is the best hooker in SA. ineteresting to see that the best “Fetcher” is a hooker.

    Bissie and Alberts by far the most valuable players for the Sharks at this time.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.04.11 09:24:28 by Viking Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 19) : Sarel is by far the best 9 in SA at the moment. He is really playing well and the stats above shows that. But if he wants to run to some other country just because he doesn’t make the Springbok squad this year then good riddance. This is a similar tactic that Peter Grant used last year. Telling everyone that you will leave if you are not selected. Sounds like blackmail and it pisses me off!

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.04.11 09:28:34 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 18) : Yesterday Cheetahs Rugby asked for submissions on favourite players. i was shocked to see some of their fans actually said Oosthuizen is is good as Os. :shock:

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.04.11 09:30:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 5) : thanks girl now I need clean pants… :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.04.11 09:31:02 by franshark Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 18) : Another ex player going on how John should not be picked. Reminds me of Jake Whites era. In John and Jakes books they both were pretty peeved of at the fact that ex-boks were saying things against them, when they should have been the first to understand.

    I am convinced that these so called experts are pushing their personal agenda of trying to get a player at the RWC. I predict many more ex- Boks publishing things like Meyer’s in an attempt to push players in the Bok team in next few weeks.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.04.11 09:32:52 by Mocho Reply

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  • Viking I agree with you, being saying that for ages now! Bissie is the Sharks fetcher and a very good one at that!

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.04.11 09:34:12 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 24) : It is a sad sad thing this. Another front runner on having his say on how [email protected] John is, is old Ollie le Roux. That fat ass don’t know the difference between his mouth and his ass! But yeah, when it comes to the WC, all these ex bokke crawl out of the holes to criticise the players selected instead of giving them their support.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.04.11 09:37:55 by Viking Reply
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  • Fransshark I solemnly apologise it wasn’t my intention ;) but believe me I also did I when I read the headlines :oops:

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.04.11 09:38:25 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) : They must be refering to that period when Os retired. Coenie has a long way to go and he might as well start with that penalty count.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.04.11 09:39:08 by Viking Reply
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  • Fransshark I solemnly apologise it wasn’t my intention ;) but believe me I also did when I read the headlines :oops:

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.04.11 09:39:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Pleased I scrolled down a bit to read your post. :smile: Yeah, almost had heart failure reading Sharksmad’s post… :???:

    @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 27) : You almost ruined my day with your post 5 ;-)

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.04.11 09:42:29 by Puma Reply

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  • Very interesting reading this KZA. Sarel Pretorious name features almost everwhere. Only negative is he is 2nd with most missed tackles. But jeepers he is playing great rugby. Wonder if Cheetahs have a contract with him? Cause he plays for Griquas.

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.04.11 09:46:28 by Puma Reply

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  • Puma I am sorry :) the headline was a shock to me too :)

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.04.11 09:47:12 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 31) : typo. Pretorius

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.04.11 09:47:21 by Puma Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 29) : no probs, that would have been a disaster… If I think of lambs and Frans Stein and a few others I do tend to think that we sometimes hold on too long onto “old” players and loosing out on the flair and raw talent we have in our ranks

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.04.11 09:50:24 by franshark Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : All most ruined my day…hehehehe.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.04.11 09:51:20 by Puma Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 26) : I don’t think Ollie is actually talking and meaning what he says. Its all those Spur Burgers clogging up his vocal cords.

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.04.11 09:51:27 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 32) : just proof that the sw faithfull read the written…

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.04.11 09:53:11 by franshark Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 19) : Sarel right now is our best scrummie. But really he has to get real here, how much SuperRugby has he played? Now to threaten the Bok coaches if not selected is just childish. If that is the matter then he can go off ot NZ or OZ. Will be a pity to lose him though, but we don’t need that kind of atitude. I feel if our coaches are looking with eyes wide open, he will get selected. He is playing superb rugby. He really does not have to threaten any coach to select him. That now probably will have PdV in a negative mind and he might not get selected cause of it.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.04.11 10:01:22 by Puma Reply

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  • Charl Mcleod and Sivivatu should be nowhere near most penalties.

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.04.11 10:04:25 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 38) : Couldn’t agree with you more. If he wants to take up such a crappy attitude then he must rather leave now.

    Vat jou goed en trek Fereira, Vat jou goed en TREK!

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.04.11 10:07:52 by Viking Reply
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  • most notalble for me is the fact that in the missed tackles column, theres only one NZ player and is plagued by SA players… the boks won a world cup on defence, maybe thats the NZ secret ingredient this year round…? :?: :???:

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.04.11 10:10:18 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Here is an interesting one. Bryan Habana 3rd on most turnover. Now I am starting to question the accuracy of these stats :???:

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.04.11 10:10:24 by Viking Reply
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  • Ollie le Roux is a bitter ……

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.04.11 10:13:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 41) : Plagued with SA players or just Cheetahs. From the missed tackle count:
    Rebels – 4/19
    Cheetahs – 7/19
    Bulls – 3/19

    Just between those 3 teams you get 14/19 players in the top tackle missed count. No wonder the Cheetahs are not winning any games. Same for the Bulls who are strugling to win their games.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.04.11 10:15:15 by Viking Reply
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  • I may be oversimplifying things but if you think about it, Coenie Oesthuizen is giving the opposition team 6 points every time he starts.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.04.11 10:21:37 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 40) : hehehe. But really I hate us losing some of our best, let alone to Oz and especially Nz. He is 27 right now so getting on a bit, but could have another 4 good years in him. But he can’t just threaten coaches to select him.

    See he has a contract with Griquas and Cheetahs but it expires after this S15. Not sure how much they will offer him in Oz and Nz as the big money is in Europe, but if he accepts a offer with Oz or Nz and not any club in NH, then he is thinking not only rugby, but a future of living in either of those countries imo. I would love for Sharks to offer him a contract :razz: Also get Brussow…hehehehe.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.04.11 10:22:18 by Puma Reply

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  • Fransshark I agree with the ozzies on this one if you are good enough you are old enough – look at Lambie! Fact remains that it was desperation that led to Lambie being selected at fh, what is worrying is if we had had a “solid” fh how long would it have taken our coaches to realise that Lambie is our Best fh!

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.04.11 10:25:52 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I will take SP over FH to the rwc.

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.04.11 11:46:56 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) :

    Thanx KSA.. Awesome read!

    Where did you find this?

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.04.11 12:33:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @FerrisWJ (Comment 4) : Ball steals if I am correct…

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.04.11 12:44:06 by Ice Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 43) : Oliie le Roux is a fat bitter…….

    let’s face it – he threw away his own career because he got bigger than the game or at least thought he was, and we all no that there’s no love lost between him and John..he’s a sour…crout..

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.04.11 12:52:08 by Ice Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 43) : I’ve always been taught that fat makes meat a little sweet.

    HOW the hell can someone that size be bitter? :razz:

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.04.11 13:27:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 49) : Will mail you the URL when I’m back at my PC. Stats like this as far back at ’07 I believe.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.04.11 13:29:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I want to make something clear. Nowhere in the article about Sarel Pretorius does he threaten to go overseas if he is not selected for the Boks. It does state that he has a choice whether he wants to wait and play in SA or go overseas and wait for 3 years in the hopes of being select then. But my point is: No-one is threatening anyone :smile:

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.04.11 13:40:18 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 54) : Yep, the rugby media likes to find a bit of the ‘Bold & Beautiful’ in everything. I doubt whether Pretorius or his agent are that stupid or naive to start making ultimatums. He’s been a fringe player for the past few seasons, and while I always thought he was underrated, he still has a lot to prove before his name is even mentioned anywhere near like the likes of Fourie Du Preez or Ruan Pienaar. And i’m pretty sure he knows that.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.04.11 14:14:30 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) :

    Thanx, would like to have a look.

    I have started investigating other stat avenues, but the guys are not getting back to me..

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.04.11 14:23:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Good gracious. Pierre Spies has 63 runs? Either you are talking about the kind that should be treated with Imodium, or they occurred last Saturday and were in the opposite direction to wherever the Crusaders defense was coming from.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.04.11 14:37:43 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 57) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.04.11 14:41:35 by Ice Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 18) : It would be interesting to get a break down of the actual penalty offences. For instance are the majority scrum related penalties (not binding, hand on the floor, collapsing etc) or are they in general play.

    For McLeod, I would guess the majority are for offside as he does have a tendency to give away silly ones by coming round before the ball is out.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.04.11 14:42:56 by Villie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 7) : This is when you need to have an open mind when watching games. So many people have an opinion on certain players and every mistake they make will be picked up upon but none of the good things will be remembered.

    So for instance you watch a Bulls game and Olivier drops a pass, that is imprinted in your mind and you don’t notice the tackles that he pulls off or any other good things that he might do. Now I’m not referring to you here Ben but in general.

    Players like Olivier, Ricky Januarie, Spies, John Smit even get painted in this way.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.04.11 14:47:16 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 60) : Dude, Januarie and Spies deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way. Spies especially as he get a lot of praise too. you gotta take the good with the bad… in Rickys case, its hard to spot the good right now.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.04.11 14:51:08 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 56) : Done.

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.04.11 16:54:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Just noticed the formating was cocked up. fixed now.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.04.11 17:01:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • What’s the difference between a pilfer and a turnover :?:

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.04.11 17:31:55 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 46) : Ja…Lets get him and Brusouw as a package deal… :smile: I also dont want players to leave but if they start to blackmail coaches then they are better of somewhere else.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.04.11 17:32:07 by Viking Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 64) : I wish I knew.

    I HAVE emailed the guys doing the stats and ask if they could give us a clarification.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.04.11 17:46:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 66) : Thanx.
    It’s hard to look at stats esp tackle stats usually the foward gets the tackle even if a back assisted him. Alberts missed 17% of his tackles but he makes up for them with the intensity of the ones he makes.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.04.11 18:02:00 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @Danman110 (Comment 67) : I question whether Alberts is missing almost 1 of 5 tackles, just does not seem so to me. Personally I think that Alberts is a superb player and a huge asset to the Sharks, but if he misses 17% of his tackles, then no amount of intensity will make up for that. Of course, I can not believe that is accurate.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.04.11 18:30:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 68) : I had a quick gander on Ruggastats they have 100 tackles made and 10 missed putting him at 9%. With stats there is always margin for error but 8% is allot but one statisticians point of view might differ from the next.

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.04.11 19:07:27 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @Danman110 (Comment 69) : 9% is a lot easier to believe than 17%. Seriously, if Alberts was missing 1 out of every 5 tackles, we would know about it, it is hard to miss that. 9% is less than 1 in 10 tackles, a massive difference to 1 in 5 tackles.

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.04.11 19:09:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 69) : How do you check individual players tats for the season on Ruggastats?

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.04.11 19:09:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Danman110 (Comment 69) : My degree is in Probability and Stats, and I’m sorry, but there is no room for “points of view” when it comes to statistics. Any time a statistician interjects his/her point of view, the statistics are inaccurate, guaranteed. There may be argument about what constitutes an attempted tackle, but not something that will result in a 9% to 17% change.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.04.11 19:11:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 70) : For the last game agains the Lions.

    Willem Alberts 82min 13Attempted 9 (69%)Made 3 (23%)Ineffective 1 (8%)Missed

    http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match6405.html
    Go to Player Stats
    Then go to Tackles

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.04.11 19:14:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Notice how many backs and hookers are in the most turnovers list. I counted two flyhalfs, 3 or 4 hookers and not a single loose forward. I honestly have to question all of these statistics, they seem so inaccurate.

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.04.11 19:16:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 73) : 8% makes sense KSA, there is just no way I am going to accept that Alberts has missed 17% of his tackles over the course of this season. Seriously, there are some real problems with all of these statistics, enough that I don’t believe a single one them listed in the article.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.04.11 19:17:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 74) : I actually don’t find that that hard to believe.

    With the way the game is played now the tackler tackles, releases and tries to play the ball. A lot of the teams run at the flyhalf channel and a lot of hookers defend in there.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.04.11 19:20:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 74) : Sorry, 5 hookers, Bissie, Ryno Barnes, Maku, Deon Fourie and Corey Flynn. Other than that, there are 2 flyhalfs and 3 wings. This just does not make any sense at all that these are the leaders in turnovers, and not a single loose forward is in the mix.

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.04.11 19:20:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 75) : That is ONE of the games from the same statiticians that gave the overall stats.

    I am offering the inclusion of the inneffective tackle count as a possible reason for the higher percentage of missed tackles.

    Have a look around the site. It is the site the Aussies use.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.04.11 19:21:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 76) : Come on KSA, not a single loosie in the top 10? That makes no sense to me. So say we accept the 5 hookers, explain the wings and flyhalfs filling out the remaining 5 spots.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.04.11 19:22:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 71) : I just made a Excel spread sheet with all the games stats on it.

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.04.11 19:22:36 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 78) : And why in the world would I believe anything the convicts post??? :wink:

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.04.11 19:23:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Differentiating between ineffective and effective tackles is simply interjecting subjective information into the statistics, rendering them useless and inaccurate. Stick to objective information, either the tackle was made or it was missed, hard to argue with that. What’s next a stat on tackles with good form and those with poor form? Sorry, by adding that subjective information, the statistician has made all his statistics useless. Hence why I don’t believe any of the stats above.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.04.11 19:25:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Toeaaaaaaaavalanche!!! Most metres. I have to copy and paste that stat onto an email to everyone who already knows that Ice is my favourite player.

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.04.11 19:32:23 by beet Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 60) : So true.

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.04.11 19:33:55 by beet Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 82) : The Stats for the two websites Verusco (Ruggastats) and Rugby Stats don’t tie up though.

    As an example

    Ruggastats has the Lions v Sharks as
    Alberts made 11
    Alberts missed 1

    RugbyStats (Aus) has the Lions v Sharks as
    Alberts attempted 13
    Alberts made 9
    Alberts missed 1
    Alberts inneffective 3

    Now I would rather go with the second one as the 1st one seems to ignore some data. How could Rugbystats say Alberts attempted 13 (9+1+3) while the Ruggastats guys say he only attempted 12 (11+1).

    I would rather go with the guys who show MUCH more info and seem to take almost everything into account than go with guys who almsot seem to disregard some info.

    I’m saying they disregard info because I can’t believe Rugby Stats would MAKE UP tackles giving them a higher tackle rate than the other guys.

    For almost EVERY player in that game the RugbyStats guys have a higher tackle number than the guys at Ruggastats (Verusco).

    I’m just going with the figures that include more data.

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.04.11 19:40:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 81) : :razz:

    Okay bed time for me. Bahrain in the am. Cheers.

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.04.11 19:41:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The veteran prop Coenie Oosthuizen has just turned 22 yrs old. Has an unbelievable workrate for a 125kg+ prop. Quite clearly he needs to brush up on his disciple. In his defence, it doesn’t help being a prop at scrumtime when you’re trying to trying to keep the penalty count down. I won’t be surprised if props occupy all the top possies ahead of opensiders in this category come the end of the season.

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.04.11 19:42:27 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 87) : ???

    So you’re saying props would occupy the top spots becasue of the lottery at scrum time. I could agree with that.

    Could you agree with. Oosthuizen must be much weaker or worse than the others to be losing the lottery so MUCH more often?

    And he is also “geniepsig” (almost vindictive) He almsot always trt’s to have a go at someone during the game. He strikes me as a bit of a bully when he was at school

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.04.11 19:48:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Night.

    46 after this. ;-)

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.04.11 19:53:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 85) : Sorry KSA, adding subjective data only diminishes the accuracy of the statistics. That is a basic fact, statistics are worthless if not objective.

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.04.11 20:00:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 85) : Just because they have more information does not make that added information accurate, nor does it make any other information they provide accurate. What is an ineffective tackle? How is it different from a missed tackle? Who decides if a tackle is ineffective or not? All of this is subjective, and has no place in statistics. It is statisticians like that that encourage the comments about lies, damn lies and statistics.

  • Comment 91, posted at 14.04.11 20:08:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 88) : I think if we had the detailed breakdown of his penalty count, we’d see that Coenie has plenty of room for improvement in terms of his discipline (not dirty play but careless & intentional faults). But Coenie also has huge potential and I agree that he is probably the best homegrown prop many Vrystaters have seen since Os debuted in the early 1990s. Altho this overseas tour has been a huge success in relation to the history of the Cheetahs, personally I think its time for their Union to part ways with Naka and get some fresh new ideas. We might see a better Coenie then.

    The lottery in the scrums is one thing. Now refs are pinging LHs for simply touching the ground (not dropping their binds) straight after the “engage”. I know these guys have a tremendous amount of pride but you can’t tell me that every single LH prop out there would rather concede a penalty than get shoved backwards and/or turning over possession.

  • Comment 92, posted at 14.04.11 20:14:14 by beet Reply
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  • Ok, outta here. Cheers everyone. :smile:

  • Comment 93, posted at 14.04.11 20:14:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 72) : I see your point.
    A interesting stat is in the 8 games played till now the Sharks have made 1022 tackles and Alberts accounts for 100 of those.So he almost made 10% of the Sharks tackles.

  • Comment 94, posted at 14.04.11 20:19:13 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 85) :
    KSA, choosing the site with “more data” makes no sense. The accuracy of individual data points cannot be deduced from the total number of data points.

    I don’t know what the correct stats are, but I do know that at the moment Alberts is the best loosie in the world.

  • Comment 95, posted at 14.04.11 22:23:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 64) :
    @KSA Shark © (Comment 66) :

    I have an answer and we won’t be happy. :(

    Hi Andre- pilfers refer to when the ball is turned over at the breakdown. Example Phil Waugh takes the ball into a tackle- Brussouw comes in and gets low over the ball as second man in. He then picks it up from the breakdown.
    Turnovers are classified in other areas. Example tackle turnover- if Waugh smashes Brussouw in a tackle and Brussouw drops the ball it is a tackle turnover.
    Or if the ball is dropped , a player runs into touch or kicks out on the full- these are classified as turnovers- in other words errors that player makes.
    So pilfers are a positive stat, turnovers are the errors that same player makes in a game- an unforced or a forced error.
    Hope that makes sense

  • Comment 96, posted at 15.04.11 05:17:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 96) : FINALLY it makes sense how Habana is 3rd on the list…HAHAHA…Its all those knocks. :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Bissie is top of the list most probably because of shacky lineout throws and jumping.

  • Comment 97, posted at 15.04.11 07:07:00 by Viking Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 96) : They should call it possession lost or turnovers conceded.

    It’s strange I would expect to see more scrummies in that list.

  • Comment 98, posted at 15.04.11 07:34:41 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 97) : But where is Wynand Oliver :mrgreen:

  • Comment 99, posted at 15.04.11 07:37:11 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 96) : but thhat’s what I said….stealing the ball… :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 100, posted at 15.04.11 07:54:41 by Ice Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 99) : Don’t know why he isn’t on the list but he is probably washing his hair at he moment. :shock:

  • Comment 101, posted at 15.04.11 07:58:41 by King Shark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 88) : He is very involved at the breakdown – that might explain some of his penalties.

  • Comment 102, posted at 15.04.11 08:01:07 by King Shark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 96) : so Bis running headlong into contact with terrible body position and getting turned over as a result… uh yup… :(

  • Comment 103, posted at 15.04.11 08:09:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 99) : Meisiekind had 4 turnovers and 3 missed tackles…That warrants his inclusion in this weeks Crappy XV :grin:

  • Comment 104, posted at 15.04.11 08:16:01 by Viking Reply
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  • An answer from them on the tackles.

    A missed tackle is when they miss clearly- an ineffective one is when the ball carrier offloads- we record this an offload tackle ineffective.

    Some analysis systems such as Sportscode and Verusco go into more detail- they log tackles as passive etc.
    We do dominant, tackle and ineffective

    Verusco certainly don’t indicate passive tackles to the public as far as I know.

  • Comment 105, posted at 15.04.11 19:31:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • No one seems to have noticed that the du Plessis brothers are (apparently) not in the top 16 penailised list. Are our regular bloggers all mistaken when they say they are walking dispensers of points to the opposition?

  • Comment 106, posted at 15.04.11 20:10:07 by perran_dw Reply

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  • @perran_dw (Comment 106) : good point. :smile:

  • Comment 107, posted at 15.04.11 20:11:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I expect Alberts to add another try or two to that in the next game..

  • Comment 108, posted at 17.04.11 10:40:13 by Predawn Reply

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