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Sharks NOT chasing Ebersohns


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Sharks on 7 Jun 2011 at 23:10
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A source close to the Ebersohn twins, Robert and Sias, has confirmed to Sharksworld that the Sharks are not currently courting the brother’s signatures, contrary to reports earlier today.

The Sharks have tried to lure outside centre Robert to Durban on two separate occasions, once when he was still a schoolboy phenomenon and again last year, when flyhalf Sias was also offered a deal, since the pair are loathe to be split up. Commercial Director Rudolf Straeuli admitted to being frustrated at the pair’s handling of the matter last year, with the feeling being that they were simply using the Sharks’ offer to up the ante in Bloemfontein, where they fully intended to stay all along. With the one-year deal signed last year expiring at the end of this year’s Currie Cup, it’s inevitable that both players would once again become hot property, particularly given that both have been in superb form in this year’s Super Rugby competition.

The somewhat acrimonious fashion in which negotiations broke down last year, though, would, I’m sure, scupper any prospects of a future deal with the current Sharks administration. What’s more, although the Sharks could well use Robert to boost depth in the outside centre position, they have recently signed Marius Joubert to fill that exact void. Sias would be even more surplus to requirements, with Pat Lambie, Jacques-Louis Potgieter, Fed Michalak and Meyer Bosman providing ample flyhalf options for the foreseeable future.



40 Comments

  • I agree, can’t see us chasing the Ebersohn twins now. Even though it could be a good buy, it wouldn’t make any sense for the Sharks to sign any one of the 2 now. They already signed the has been from at 13 and like you said we have ample cover at 10.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.06.11 23:27:08 by Ben Reply
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  • Must be said sharks need to develop youngsters in the midfield, or get some of those born from the jersey back into it ie frans steyn ruan murray brad b.

    What a team this would be ; 9.Pienaar 10.Lambie 11.JPP 12.Barrit 13.Murray 14.Ndungane 15. Steyn
    Why do the sharks have a problem retaining players of talent for extended periods of time. Letting waylon maurray go was a huge huge mistake then again so was letting struass pienaar steyn and barrit

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.06.11 23:28:27 by Talent Reply
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  • They are good, but Lambie is better than Sias, and Sadie already seems to me a better prospect than Robert.

    Sign Sadie please!

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.06.11 23:29:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 3) : Good prospect

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.06.11 23:31:05 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 2) : maybe its got 2 do with people looking for a change in life, if u go to sharks academy at 18, spend three years there and then move into the first team and play first team for 3 years then thats 6 years in 1 city which could kinda get a bit boring, especially when u could ply ur trade in a host of different other places and usually earn a lot more at the same time. probably not a determing factor in these specific players choices but maybe a contributing factor

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.06.11 23:47:17 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • I see a point in signing both the Ebersohns.. Rob can cover 12 and 13.. Sias can cover 10 and 15..
    9. Pienaar
    10. Lambie
    11.JPP
    12. R0b
    13. Jouba
    14. Mvovs
    15. Sias.
    This backline can win a super XV in 2 years time..

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.06.11 00:29:18 by mikey Reply

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  • Ag nei wat bradders!!
    Close the academy then there is enough money to buy whom ever…..

    Come on. Nobody can argue the fact that developing players through the academy is like buying fancy expensive toilet paper. Net om dit deur jou gat te trek??
    Tomorrow the likes of Piet Lindeque, Zelinga, Cronje’s, Mnisi, Jerome Pretorius, Willie du Plessis, Jordaan will go and play for other teams. Just like Pienaar and Steyn.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.06.11 01:02:11 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 7) : agreed, probably the 2 best players from last year lambie and mvovo were boys straight from the academy. They need to back the youngsters, its becoming a joke when we’ve got awesome players at the academy but the sharks always seem to go fishing in the free state instead. Besides it costing extra cash to bring in those other guys, the academy boys must get a bit dissilutioned when the sharks just pull out the check book instead of backing them

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.06.11 06:18:59 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • We should make a move on Nonu. Plum should have a bit of influence there, and his Canes deal is not getting renewed.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.06.11 06:54:27 by GeneralSpecific Reply

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  • @GeneralSpecific (Comment 9) : The ‘Walking Yellow Card’, are you mad? :wink: I’m all for blooding youngsters and I don’t see the need for going outside the union.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.06.11 07:04:57 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @GeneralSpecific (Comment 9) : Lol you are quite the funny one! Now seriously?

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.06.11 07:54:41 by Ben Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 8) : Is Lambie an Academy product? I thought he played for the Sharks in his 1st year out of school.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.06.11 07:58:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Sooooo GOOD TO BE DONE WITH EXAMS!!! Free at last :P ,

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.06.11 08:22:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : he is a academy player,he was in the 2008 winning under 19 currie cup shark team,played under 21 rugby in 2009 and sharks academy mostly at fullback,and got his shot at the 1st team last year,his still an academy player until he finishes his degree with varsity college which will be this year

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.06.11 08:26:28 by Poisy Reply
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  • The problem with the Academy is that they produce good young but inexperienced players. Coaches are judged purely on results and thus are reluctant to play an untested youngster ahead of a seasoned pro. So the youngsters go to the smaller unions to get that experience. Unfortunately some make a good name for themselves and then get snapped up by the other unions as they dont have the same player resources at the Sharks. So whilst the Academy does produce the players we dont see them as there is maybe only space for 1 or 2 each year and the rest have to find emplyment elsewhere. Its like any job- u not going to sit around and hope that your preferred employer hires u, u need to earn a living so will do it where you can.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.06.11 08:45:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Thought Ryan Vrede’s article smacked of thumb-sucking bullshit of the highest degree. There would be no need for Sias as we have Lambie, Michalak and JLP covering flyhalf. Robert might have been good but if it’s both of us or none of us, leave them to the States. ;-)

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.06.11 09:24:55 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) :
    Slight truth there, but major companies dont give you a bursary to study at Tukkies, Pukke and Maties and then tell you that you are inexperienced and must go and look for another job.
    The whole purpose of the academy would be void. All those players comes through the age group levels where they gain experience. Why do WE wait on other unions to develop players for us when that is exactly the purpose of the academy.

    Lambie was an ‘inexperienced’ player just more than a year ago. Now if you take each SuperRugby union in SA, then you could name ‘inexperienced’ players like Elton Jantjies and Jaco Taute (Lions), Kurt Coleman, Kitshoff and Johan Sadie (WP-this year alone), Ebersohns and Coenie Oosthuizen (FS-with them for a while though), etc. Now guys on this forum already wants Sadie or Juan de Jongh, and the Ebersohns. All players with experience that they gained through other unions.

    If you dont give those players a chance at a higher level then you would never know what to expect from them. So often it is said that one player is a good CC player but not a good Super/Test player. That they cant make the step-up. The Sharks will forever lack ‘depth’ if they are not willing to back their own. Quickly whipping out the cheque book, buy Michalak. Pressurising Marius Joubert to play the last few games in the Super format. So what about Ross Cronje? I think he even toured with the Sharks last year. Same with Justin Downey, also toured last year. And why this all out hope on Joubert when Adi is available?

    If the Sharks continue this way, they will either not get anymore youngsters to play for them (or not the real talented ones) or the Sharks academy will be used as a stepping stone by these youngsters to further their career.

    So in short, if there are only one or two positions available to these youngsters in the senior squad each year, what exactly is the purpose of A academy?

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.06.11 09:45:26 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • Waste of time and money – they come as a package and we do not need another flyhalf. Yes they are on form at present, but we will have to offload a player or two before recruiting more.

    With all the cash we have thrown around recently I would rather have seen a big push for de Jongh instead of JLP. Cost will be higher but you will have better returns.

    McLoed, Lambie, Mvovo, De Jongh/Bosman, Jacobs/De Jongh/Joubert, JPP, Stef.

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.06.11 11:46:55 by Mole Reply

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  • Rather use the money we would`ve had to pay for both of them and spend it on one big name centre.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.06.11 12:00:41 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Mole (Comment 18) : you’d be shocked to hear how many players we ARE offloading….

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.06.11 12:00:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Hey Rob

    Any solid leads on what players we are letting go?

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.06.11 12:02:33 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 19) :

    Why don’t we keep the money in our back pockets and get a return on this academy that is pumping out players..

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.06.11 12:05:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 22) :
    Thank you Rich. :smile: :smile: :smile:

    @robdylan (Comment 20) :
    How about a short article/summary of players being offloaded.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.06.11 12:10:50 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 22) : Nah I`m too impatient. I want some results in 2012!

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.06.11 12:21:08 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 24) :

    Not backing a talented player now, will force him to leave, only for us to buy yet another player a year later..

    It seems stupid to have an academy then…

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.06.11 12:24:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 22) : instant success, the sharks want to be the Chelsea/Real Madrid of rugby and the justification is “It’s the Professional Era”

    um, yes football has been professional for eons but look @ Barcelona FC and their La Masia school, that has produced Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Pique, Puyol, Pedro, Busquets, Valdez, Bojan…

    why have an academy if you still going to spend millions like Chelski :D

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.06.11 12:29:04 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 26) :

    Thank you for just enhancing my point..

    I’ve written a few articles comparing the world of footbal to the world of rugby, and the sad reality is that they are decades ahead in professionalism compared to rugby..

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.06.11 12:34:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : You KNOW you can’t make a statement like that and then just leave us hanging. ‘fess up, what do you know?

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.06.11 12:35:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 17) : My point is that you can only name 2 or maybe at a push 3 youngsters at each team that are getting a chance. The Academy has 30+ finishing each year- where do these players go? Anther young flyhalf is not going to get a run whilst Lambie is there, same can be said of a young wing ahead of Mvovo. And remember a lot quantity of these youngsters at the academy actually pay their way and are not on bursaries.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.06.11 12:37:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 26) : The thing that beggars belief is that it’s not as if the Sharks have not had success backing youngsters; Lambie, JPP, Murray, Barrit, Pienaar, Kanko, Daniel, Beast, all succesful at the Super rugby level, all introduced into the Sharks team in their early 20′s. So why suddenly this fear of trusting the youth brigade?

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.06.11 12:40:02 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 24) :
    So lets buy Juan de Jongh (and other stars), let them get called up to the EOYT and 3N. Then where would our player depth be? So we will be shite in VC, CC, U21 and U19 because we have no depth.
    So if you only want to see results in the S15, then Bob’s your uncle.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.06.11 12:40:12 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 26) :

    You forgot about Cesc Fabregas!! ;-)

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.06.11 12:42:12 by wpw Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 21) : Can’t say anything, I’m afraid

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.06.11 12:44:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Understand completely. Do you know when the announcement will be made?

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.06.11 12:47:55 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) :
    They still get head-hunted by Sharks staff. If it is indeed such that only ever 2 or 3 players will get a spot, then why the purpose of sustaining an academy that mills out 30 youngsters that for some obvious reason has the talent to actually be there?
    We do have the youngsters, but we are not backing them. Like Alberts is doubtfull, Deysel is suspended, now what is the next obvious choice? To get a youngsters who has talent and shows promise. Not go and buy somebody. If it is professionalism that we are hammering on here, then it surely is professional (like football clubs in Europe) to have an academy that buys/sponsors talented players.
    Even with Lambie there, you can still have other 10′s as back up to rotate. The Bulls for one are playing Fourie and Steyn every game (well Fourie almost) but Fourie’s back up is a kid that is on the bench to cover wing or to play wing. And Francois Brummer has hardly put foot to ball this season. Some time or another Lambie has to be rested and a good back up would not be JLP. Even JLP hardly gets any game time.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.06.11 12:48:35 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 28) :

    Rob LOVES doing that. He just has to let us know he has inside info and then when the info becomes public knowledge he’ll say that he knew all along.

    You won’t get it out of Rob if he was told this in confidence which I suppose shows good character but he loves to tease. :twisted:

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.06.11 12:51:46 by Pokkel Reply
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  • So we are heading into this years CC with players that sat on the bench mostly and that watched the games from the stands/DSTV. Now poor JLP for one will be so rusted that he almost always will receive the sharp end of the supporters’ tongues.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.06.11 12:53:48 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 37) : Might be good character, keeping the secret, but it’s piss-poor form dangling the knowledge of the secret out there… @#$%^& tease! :roll:

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.06.11 13:02:06 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 32) : didn’t actually, just wanted to mention players who are in the Barca team now and who can run-on in a game any minute :grin:

    cesc is bound to come back now before august, xavi is 30 and prolly has 2 years left in him, cesc is his natural successor, he only left for arsenal cos he knew he could never depose xavi and iniesta

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.06.11 13:13:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • I hope Rob is having a go. I tried to think of players that would be on the way out, and its hard to think of any except for Skeate and JLP. If there are going to be wholesale changes at the Sharks next year, I truly hope that there is a plan to recruit talented individuals and not buying for the sake of buying.

    With Deysel injured quiet a bit I would look to find a large, mobile loosie ie Johnson. That being said, we had Rhodes and Whitely in Durban last year who would have been excellent cover for injuries in this position. So I think its time to start giving the youngsters a chance, that or look at the Varsity Cup.

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.06.11 13:45:03 by Mole Reply

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