Richard Ferguson

Legoete to get the red, again


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super Rugby on 8 Jun 2011 at 09:49
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Pro Legoete could be on the receiving end of a red card from SANZAR after his shocking advice to Craig Joubert so send off Waratahs lock Pat O’Connor for an alleged head butt.

The incident has been reviewed and it was found that the player was completely innocent, as was the decision from the judicial officer.

Legoete was the assistant referee on the night with referee for the match Craig Joubert, acting on the advice of the AR, sending off O’Connor with a straight red, leaving the Waratahs with only fourteen men for the last 15 minutes of the match, a match they could have won.

Craig Joubert has been cautioned, even though he was taking advice from Legoete, about his handling of the situation, but it is reported that SANZAR are considering standing down Pro Legoete. This will be the second time that Legoete will be stood down after he was stood down indefinitely in March 2010.



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  • Pro cant even ref a pre school match :roll:

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.06.11 09:53:24 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • :roll: Shows how SANZAR arse creeps the Aussies. Craig Joubert gets a caution to make the Aussie players happy. Did Dickenson get cautioned for his supposed bad calls against the Crusaders? Do the Kiwis and Boks really need the Aussies in this competition. Craig Joubert followed the laws, a head butt is a red card offence, how can you caution him for following the laws?

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.06.11 09:54:37 by waje Reply

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  • Joubert clearly asked him if he was sure as it was a red card offense…and he hesitated and then said YES! (Ok – Joubert should have known better after Non-Pro hesitated like that – but he did ask the question.)

    I have not heard of many people being very impressed by Non-Pro…what happened to Jaffta? I quite like him or is he still too junior?

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.06.11 09:54:57 by Ice Reply
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  • I cringe whenever Pro is AR or ref for a sharks game..

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.06.11 09:55:28 by mikey Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : I like Jaftha too. @mikey (Comment 4) : So do I :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.06.11 10:00:28 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • Stood the guy down, let him go get himself another day job. Stand up comedy could work for him. He’s funny as hell without really trying to be. He’s a joke.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.06.11 10:02:18 by Ben Reply
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  • Craig Joubert tries to be far too smart on the field, don’t like his guts at all. But this was all Pro’s fault. Can’t believe that have warned Craig about this! :roll:

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.06.11 10:05:35 by Ben Reply
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  • Mark Lawrence for President!! I actually watch matches that have no relevance to me, just to see ML ref. I remember in one of the matched he yellow carded a player. When that player came back on he says: “welcome back”.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.06.11 10:18:00 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 8) : Got a little crush there? :) ;) Yeah Mark Lawrence is my Fav ref as well and IMO the best Ref in SA.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.06.11 10:20:00 by Ben Reply
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  • Jason Jaffta has only had one season of Currie Cup, give him some more time. That other dude isnt bad as well, i think his name is Craig Berry or Barry.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.06.11 10:20:03 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • I watched the game in question, on a TV with no sound, and for the life of m, couldn’t figure out what the red card was for. But by watching Pro’s body language, I was cringing (as I normally do when the AR gets involved). He was backing up all the time, Craig had to walk towards him all the time, to try and hear him. Now that doesn’t suggest self-confidence to me. I was even more shocked when I eventually heard what the red card was for.
    I heard a comment that Jonothan Kaplam made regarding a 2 ref system that was tried in the 1990′s. Anybody know what that is all about?? Seems quite strange to me.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.06.11 10:35:25 by Crock Reply

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  • @Crock (Comment 11) : I actually like a suggestion from Naas… :oops: :oops: He said one can have the TMO involved without having to stop the game etc. In this instnace it would have taken 4 seconds for the TMO to say to Joubert that there was no foul play.

    In instances where the game is on speed and ther are forward passes – the TMO can communicate that to the ref too via his earpiece.

    In above example however – I feel the AR shoudl be running with the line of play and be able to spot these. THIS is where they should be involved , but NO, lets just rather give a guy a red for a non-headbutt and throw them so to speak out of the comp.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.06.11 10:48:18 by Ice Reply
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  • Pro is probably the worst ref and not far behind is Marius Jonker.

    Any of you remember Linston Manuels?? LMAO

    The Bulls loved that oke didn’t they?? :twisted:

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.06.11 10:50:01 by wpw Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 10) :

    I like the look of Berry as well..

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.06.11 11:09:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) : new Black Berry? :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.06.11 11:40:11 by Ice Reply
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  • Joubert needs to take some responsibility. Pro said head but by the blue player. Joubert asked so are you recommending a red card. Pro hesitated, but did not confirm. Joubert noticed his hesitance, interrupted and said that if it was a headbut then it must be a red card. Pro then said yes okay.

    Why didn’t he let the guy who saw the offence decide how dangerous or how serious it was? A spear tackle is supposed to be a straight yellow, but the refs always ask a couple of questions first. If Joubert knew the reputation of his flagman, he should have known that this was just Pro’s way of getting his say in the game (I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where he didn’t make an input from touch).

    It was embarrassing, if this was two Aussies against a SA team there would have been riots on all SA rugby blogs.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.06.11 14:49:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 16) : I would love to re-look at that (perhaps you have) but what I heard was that he asked hin if he was sure that it was a headbutt because it is a red card offense. That would make a huge difference from yours?

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.06.11 14:59:13 by Ice Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 16) :

    Look at that tape again..

    Pro said Head butt White player..

    Joubert said: Headbutt means red card..

    Pro then confirmed..

    Joubert got the call and made the call frm Pro..

    What is wrong with that?

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.06.11 15:01:40 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) : That’s also how I have it. He basically warned Pro to be certain of the call as it will be a red card offense.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.06.11 15:09:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 19) :

    And Pro confirmed with a YES..

    I’ve been watching Blitz all day on loop, I have it memorised..

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.06.11 15:11:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 19) : Letgo is right that he interupted him – but he interupted him to ask if he is sure AS it is a red card – not if he has to give a red card..

    It’s like a script – with the emphasise on words and comma’s etc at the wrong places – it could change the meaning completely.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.06.11 15:12:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 16) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) : @Ice (Comment 19) : This is the way I remember it. The ref walked over to Pro and Pro said. “There was a headbut by a white player”.

    Craig Joubert said. “So we are talking red here?”

    PL said. “Uhm uhm”

    CJ said. “Explain to me what happend, if it was a deliberate headbutt it should be a red card. Red card?”

    PL said. “Definitely”

    Might not be the exact wording but I remember it in that lines. Craig Joubert was not at fault here Letgo.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.06.11 15:20:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :

    No Ben.. he didnt ask whether it is a red..

    ALL headbutts are red cards..

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.06.11 15:22:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) : We agree that CJ was not at fault…that’s what I was trying to say.

    @ BEN: refer to @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) : He asked if if he is SURE about it as he would have to give a red card..and asked him if he was sure it was a headbutt, PL then hesitated and exclaimed :YES!”

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.06.11 15:26:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) :
    Agree. Once Semi-Pro said it was a head-butt, Joubert had no option but to give a red. Stupid to caution him for that.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.06.11 15:27:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) : As I said something along that lines.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.06.11 15:28:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 26) :

    ;-)

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.06.11 15:29:42 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • The only thing Joubert did wrong was to take advice from a idiot. :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.06.11 15:32:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) : Didn’t Pro say yes definitely?

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.06.11 15:38:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : Dont have the script, but he said yes.. :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.06.11 15:40:45 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) :

    No.. he just said YES.. (albeit after a little pause for uncertainty)

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.06.11 15:40:51 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 31) : Richard I saw the incident again. At the end of their debate Craig said. “So its a head butt by 18, a red card?”

    Pro replied. “YEAH DEFINITELY”.

    You memorized the wrong script dude.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.06.11 17:29:42 by Ben Reply
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  • It does not matter how poor a referee Pro is, Craig Joubert has no choice but to take input from him for an incident he, himself, did not see. His choice is to override the AR decision, or to go along with it. If he did not see the incident, and the AR did see it, how could he possibly justify overruling the AR? Just not on that he is cautioned here, he did exactly what a good ref is supposed to do.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.06.11 18:39:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) : Yup exactly

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.06.11 18:42:38 by Ben Reply
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  • Hallo nephew! :wink:

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.06.11 18:47:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 35) : LOL howzit Uncle DB? :)

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.06.11 18:49:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 36) : doing well boet, hope the same for you.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.06.11 19:14:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 37) : Can’t complain Bud.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.06.11 19:21:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 38) : Good to hear.

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.06.11 19:30:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 10) : Stuart Berry :)

    Both he and Jason will be S15 next year I am sure (hope).

    Stu reffed 3 or 4 IRB 7s Cup finals this season

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.06.11 19:41:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • ” like ”

    Wish Craig Joubert and Marius Jonker would get a red as well!

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.06.11 19:48:15 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 16) : Headbutt is redcard end of story, no discussion, or mitigating circumstances.

    Not So said: Headbutt white player blah blah blah

    Joubert said: That is a Red card if it’s a headbutt? (Giving Not so the oppertunity to change his call)

    Not So then confirmed/agreed headbutt and red card.

    Joubert has the power to overrule Not So but if he didn’t see the incident he could not overrule him.

    Joubert has no fault in this.

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.06.11 19:48:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 17) : People see and hear what they want to. :)

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.06.11 19:50:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) : 1000%

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.06.11 19:52:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) : I’m sure it is the same people complaining about Joubert accepting the input from an AR, that complained that the referees never listen to their ARs when it comes to forward passes and knock ons.

    It would seem to me that more often than not, the referee would see a forward pass, so if they saw the pass and do not agree it was forward would ignore the AR. If a knock on happens and the referee’s vision is obscured, so they did not see the knock, I think they would have no choice but to accept the ARs ruling.

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.06.11 20:23:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Darren Scott had a discission with Lyndon Brae (?) this morning – seems no one is getting a card nor warning for this…unfortunatley I was interrupted by a phone call, so I could not here the whole convo. Darren also asked him about the Michael Rhodes incident – where one player got cited and banned for 2 weeks, while the other got nothing – also did not hear the answer to that -so if someone listened to this on JacarandaFM this morning – please could you give us the whole story?

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.06.11 08:08:48 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 43) : It’s not what you say – its HOW you say it. so no matter what the exact scrip – in this instance you would have to listen to the tone of voice, where the “question” in a “statement” lies, etc… ;-)

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.06.11 08:12:44 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 46) : Rhodes got a 6 week ban not 2 weeks?

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.06.11 08:18:30 by Ben Reply
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  • I actually only saw the incident(head but) last night on reunion. Terrible(not HB but the call), I guess it most probably looked worse on the live one off chance and with a different angle for Legoete when he saw it in the game than now afterwards in slow motion on different angles

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.06.11 08:28:39 by franshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 46) : Please tell me how many times you have seen punches thrown in games this year and how many players got cited for that. It seems like since SBW started boxing, the organizers assumed it must be part of the game…

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.06.11 08:28:57 by Viking Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 49) : Pro must think for himself. How can he point an infringement out in the game and not recommend the applicable punishment for said infringement. Absalutely unacceptable and unprofessional for that level. Drop the bliksem as he is causing more problems for teams than he his solving.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.06.11 08:31:57 by Viking Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 48) : Ag – you know what I mean…

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