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Update on the Swannie situation


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 9 Jun 2011 at 07:19
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It appears that Sharks center Riaan Swanepoel will only by joining French club Clermont on a short-term basis, to provide cover while their regular centres are on World Cup duty.

The so-called “World Cup Joker” contract will run from July until the end of October and will see Swanepoel fill in for Aurelien Rougerie and Gonzalo Canale, who are expected to play for France and Italty respectively at the showpiece tournament in New Zealand.

No information is currently available as to what Swannie’s plans are after October.



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  • This might be good for his carreer. Maybe he will pick up some additional skills while over there and come back a better player. Lets hope…

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.06.11 07:28:08 by Viking Reply
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  • Well if Plum is so dead set on playing an ex Clermont center next season the he can now play Swannie instead of Joubert. :razz:

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.06.11 07:36:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Been thinking about the Swannie situation some more, and am getting worked up into a righteous, white-knuckle, vein-throbbing rage.

    While it is possible (and even probable) that Swannie is not the quality 12 we need at the Sharks, I just feel that he has not been dealt with in a fair manner.

    For a few seasons now Swannie and Dries Strauss were competing for the 12 jersey, without either really making the position their own. If memory serves correctly, Swannie actually had his nose in front at the start of last year’s CC, starting in the opening game. Whether through injury or form, Driess took his place, the Lambie phenomenon happened, Dries had the season of his life, and cemented his spot at 12.

    So at that point, Swannie was the de-facto backup at 12. A decision was made not to renew Dries’ contract, and purchase Bosman, a situation which didn’t change Swannie’s status as backup 12.

    What irks me is that during Bosman’s long run of average performances, Swannie was not given the opportunity to prove his mettle and/or compete for the starting berth. Instead he was relegated to the Vodacom Cup, and yanked into the Sharks squad at will, only to get 5 minutes game time on occassion.

    So if the Sharks have decided to release him, what was the decision based on? Form? Based on what evidence; he wasn’t given any sort of opportunity to show off his form at Super rugby level? So then historical evidence? Dries showed that you can turn that around. Moreover, if the decision was based on that, then I am sure it was taken some time ago, so why yank the guy around with regards to Super rugby?

    Of course, my arguments are dluted somewhat by the news that this is a short term loan, but I’d be rather surprised if the Sharks renew his contract at the end of all of this. Anyways, the purpose of this protracted rant is to express the opinion that I have a gut feel the Sharks have not been overly transparent or clear in their communications with him.

    The biggest issue is that this is not a Swannie thing specifically, but symptomatic of the way Sharks management have been dealing with players. There has been quite a few incidents recently where Plum has publicly raved about players’ talent, and stated as his intent to bring them through into the Super rugby squad, only for those players to suddenly get cut loose or relegated to Vodacom Cup. I’m thinking of the Cronje flyhalf twin, the flanker with the poodle on his head, Mike Rhodes, etc.

    Rant over… for now.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.06.11 07:44:06 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 3) : who’s the flanker with the poodle on his head? :)

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.06.11 07:51:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • I hope Swannie goes over and proofs himself over there. I always liked him and I actually think he’d be a good option next to Lambie.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.06.11 07:57:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 3) : I think the Sharks would like to keep him actually. We’re pretty thin in this position, especially considering JLP’s contract is only for a year. That would leave us a little thin at 12.

    Hopefully he is still in the mix. I think he can still be an asset to the Sharks.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.06.11 08:10:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 3) : Wahaha just made a fool of myself in the office laughing at ‘the flanker with the poodle on his head’ :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.06.11 08:18:41 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • As I’ve pointed out before, I’m a big Swannie fan, and not just because we share a first name :mrgreen: . He sold me over with his dedication in the Sharks vs B&I Lions. I can still remember him going down with a knee injury, and before the medics could get to him the play moved back towards his side, he got up made the tackle and only then went down.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.06.11 08:22:20 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Personally I don’t think Swannie will come back. We have Bosman :roll: and hopefully we will see some of Paul Jordaan in the CC, want to see Paul play at 12.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.06.11 08:22:33 by Ben Reply

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  • Haha Ali Hargreaves column on news24. Read it for a good laugh http://www.sport24.co.za/Columnists/AlistairHargreaves/The-Sharks-missing-Frenchman-20110609

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.06.11 08:27:18 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Justin Downey. Couldn’t remember his name at the time of writing

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.06.11 08:32:04 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : JLP signed for 3 years

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.06.11 08:43:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 10) : Thanks for that. Can;r believe that Frenchie got locked in for the first 10 minutes of the game. We really should get Ali’s articles onto the SW site though.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.06.11 08:44:05 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 13) : Yes, his columns are nicely written with no BS. Maybe Sharksworld can get one of the players to do a weekly column on here as well

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.06.11 08:45:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Now I’ve heard it all. :roll:

    Last season Swannie was not good enough when the Sharks struggled to win their first 5 S14 games, now all of a sudden he is the next Messiah??

    Fickle Sharks supporters!! :???:

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.06.11 08:57:06 by wpw Reply
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  • While we are on this topic, reports has it that it’s almost a done deal that Sarel Pretorius will play for the Waratahs in next year’s SR tournament. And another report has it that Riaan Viljoen is likely to move to WP/Stormers after this year’s Currie Cup.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.06.11 09:00:38 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 15) : Different people’s opinions dude. Don’t generalise.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.06.11 09:03:47 by Ben Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 15) : Mind bottling.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.06.11 09:05:34 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 16) :

    The Sarel story isn’t true…..he’s signed with the Cheetah’s (he had a contract with the Griquas)

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.06.11 09:29:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 15) : don’t you know? any sharks player that was not in the starting line up when the sharks got beaten on that day is “better” than the ones who started. check the “i can’t wait for MJ to play posts”, steve meyer was talked up and some even tried to rationalise signing andre pretorius…

    it takes all kinds here at Sharksworld :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.06.11 09:32:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 19) : That’s why I don’t believe everything I read, especially certain journalist’s crap :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.06.11 09:34:28 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 15) : i asked the following question yesterday and never got an answer, go figure :roll:

    @Big Fish (Comment 23) : was swannie a line breaker, distributor, could he beat his man one-on-one with a deft step, how was his PACE?

    in essence what was good about swannie besides the oft-repeated “solid on defence”?

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  • Comment 22, posted at 09.06.11 09:35:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 20) : Although true it’s not all the supporters all the time. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.06.11 09:36:09 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 15) : its like liverpool supporters and roy. Oh wait… You were right about that!

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.06.11 09:44:32 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 20) :

    Sounds a lot like when Dries Strauss played well for two whole games in the CC last year.

    Some Sharkies were sorry to see him go. LMAO

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.06.11 09:45:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 24) :

    Dude, lets not bring footy into this, ok?? :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.06.11 09:46:54 by wpw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : The issue for me is not about Swannie per se, but rather that his departure is yet another manifestation of poor communication and player management.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.06.11 09:52:31 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Different topic, stormers are chasing Riaan Viljoen…that is just greed! They already have a killer backline. A team that needs a good option at fullback is us. Don’t get me started about Ludik please guys. At best he is a 60 percenter. You need a good fullback at this level.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.06.11 09:58:07 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 28) : after all the effort to prise ludik from the lions now you want to shank him? hehehe

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.06.11 10:07:05 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) :

    And they are calling US greedy?? LMAO :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.06.11 10:26:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 16) :

    I Sarel Pretorius goes to Sudney he better start taking some english lessons quick :mrgreen:

    That is if you consider what the Australian’s speak to be ‘english’ :twisted:

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.06.11 10:26:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 28) : Have to agree, we don’t need him. Looks like Lionel Cronje is being groomed to play 15, and Marcel Brache has played quite well there. Of course, my first choice 15 is Gio… but when he’s away on Bok duty we’ll need a decent back up once Connie is gone.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.06.11 10:38:09 by molly Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : Dunno why the Sharks aren’t backing him, he broke a blimmin leg! He’s young and will get the awesem form he displayed at the lions back…

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.06.11 10:40:16 by molly Reply
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  • Molly what do you mean the Sharks aren’t backing him?! Unless we have been watching different games he has started every game and if subbed only in the last 10 minutes :evil:

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.06.11 10:50:24 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 34) : Sorry, I actually meant the supporters, quite a few of you guys want him dropped for Stef of all people. Although granted, some of that is because Plum obviously thinks Stef has to be on the field. Point is, he’s not nearly as bad as alot of you think.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.06.11 10:57:57 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 35) : I actually think the majority of people here want to either see Ludick rested, which means Oupa at 15, or are just so desperate to have Oupa vacate the 13 berth that they see sacrificing Ludick to achieve that as the lesser of evils…

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.06.11 11:06:16 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 36) : I agree, I did touch on that. Do you think Ludick is that bad though?

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.06.11 11:10:25 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 37) :

    I don’t know where this is coming from but I don’t think Sharks supporters in general have a problem with Ludick. If anything he’s been one of the most consistent performers in the Sharks team. He is not be utilised enough because of the poor performance of the centers in general.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.06.11 11:27:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 37) :

    That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t also want Viljoen with the Sharks because he is an exceptional player IMO and he’s unlucky not to have been considered for the Boks.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.06.11 11:29:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 37) : Not at all. In fact my point is that I, and I think the majority of Sharks supporters think that he is actually one of our better performers. I do think that as is the case with willem Alberts, his performance is tapering off due to excessive workload. I also think he is made to look worse than he is by the generally poor support play of the Sharks this season.

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.06.11 11:32:50 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 40) :

    Hi CS

    I see you have an author’s tag above your avatar. Did you write an article that I missed somewhere?

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.06.11 11:39:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) : I’ve just read a couple comments lately saying he needs to be dropped and that he doesn’t offer anything. And GreatShark saying he’s 60% contributed too.

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.06.11 11:40:21 by molly Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) : Yep, Perspectives From Another Dimension, posted on Saturday. What can I say, you started something… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.06.11 11:41:32 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Molly have said it before me we just whant Stef to vacate the no 13 berth! And ludick needs a rest he has played all games. But honestly its time Stef hung up his boots or moved as back up to Ludik

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.06.11 11:42:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 42) : There will always be voices of dissent – it makes for interesting debate. That’s why we allow Megatron and Stormers supporters access to the site :twisted: I just don’t think the anti-Ludick stance is the majority view

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.06.11 11:44:35 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Yeah Molly I hear u some fans here would also drop Bissie, us fans at the Sharks only love our players when they leave – look at Dries and now Swannie, Steyn (I’m not one of them frankly good riddance) and Ruan :)

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.06.11 11:47:49 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 45) : I agree with you.

    Rich will rip your head off for expressing anti-Ludik sentiments, for one thing :)

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.06.11 11:53:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 38) : Okay certainly not in general but I am one of those who are not impressed with Ludik. I don’t want Stefan to replace him though, I would opt for Odwa or JPP.

    IMO Ludik was talked/written into near hero status by the media TRYING to find something good in a very poor Lions outfit. Not a very good purchase at all IMO.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.06.11 11:55:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • KSA agree on Odwa he did look really good at 15

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.06.11 11:58:12 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 20) : In essence quiete true and as for your “it takes all kinds here at Sharksworld” even more true and why you are so well liked here. :lol:

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.06.11 12:07:49 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : Getting some of your own medicine then….ignoring questions.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.06.11 12:14:59 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 51) : :)

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.06.11 12:20:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 45) : Ludik is good but at this level you want more from your fullback, maybe the team is exposing him but on current form it’s tough. Rank the current fullbacks in SA from this list: Ludik, Janntjies, Aplon, Taute, Viljoen, Kirchner, Hennie Daniller, Killian..we have a lot of good fullbacks in the country.

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.06.11 12:28:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : He was very good for the Lions, and then he broke his leg. I really liked him while he was playing there and thought he was a good purchase to replace Stef.

    I noticed you don’t mention Alberts though, he also shone in a crap Lions team and was also talked up by the media.

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.06.11 12:37:58 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 54) : only problem was, they forgot to get rid of the oke he was meant to to replace :)

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.06.11 12:41:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 54) : Well Alberts wasn’t really talked up, because he actually IS good.

    To be honest though I didn’t really notice Alberts before he joined the Sharks, so the media hype could not have been tooo much.

    I’d be curious to see how many Lions Caps each of them have. I suspect (and I really don’t know the answer) that Ludik has much more therfore had more media write ups.

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.06.11 12:43:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • And why all the talk about Ludik being given time to come back from injury? How many games did Alberts take to regain his form?

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.06.11 12:48:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 53) : I’m not proposing that Ludick is the best in the country, only arguing that the majority of the people here do not think that he sucks, as seems to be the perception created with Molly. I just can’t believe you included Kirchner in your list of “good” fullbacks…

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.06.11 12:54:40 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 58) : and Daniller

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.06.11 12:56:34 by molly Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 57) : Did Alberts break his leg?

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.06.11 12:59:32 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 60) : actually it was an ACL injury, not a leg break.

    ACL injuries are worse.

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.06.11 13:01:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) : I loved Alberts at the Lions, was really jealous when you guys signed him, can’t believe you hadn’t heard of him… he was immense for them, week in and week out. I couldn’t find cap count, but both Ludik and Alberts made their Lions Super Rugby debut in 2007 and Ludik is 2 years younger than Alberts, if that means anything.

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.06.11 13:08:15 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : Who Ludik or Alberts?

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.06.11 13:09:20 by molly Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 58) : Lol, at this level he’s very good. He has scored some great tries this year, even Daniller…

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.06.11 13:10:43 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 59) :

    Im shocked that there’s no mention of Earl ‘The Pearl’ Rose on that list!! :shock: :roll:

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.06.11 13:12:23 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 63) : Ludik

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.06.11 13:14:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : I dunno, I think FB is one position we don’t have any great players in. Taute and Killian might become great, but they’re not there yet, otherwise all we have are solid and dependable ones. Although I really dig Aplon at FB, I know that is not an opinion shared by many people.

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.06.11 13:26:36 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 60) : Nope but what the injury was is not the concern, how long the lay off was is and I think they had similar layoffs.

    Alberts came back and made an impact Ludik (If he was that good )is like Andre Snyman who was never the same after his injury.

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