Shaz

An epic in every sense of the word…


Written by Sharon van Wyk (Shaz)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 11 Jun 2011 at 22:59
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So. There we have it. The Hawera Cup stays put in Durban, for now at least, after the Lions failed to win it and the Sharks failed to defend it. Like the Sharks’ A Game, it lays in limbo, in a state of suspended animation, waiting for the next instalment of the epic saga of rivalry between the sides and their bosom buddy coaches, Messrs Plumtree and Mitchell.

I use the word epic wisely, because this afternoon’s 21-point clawback by the Sharks at the Coke Can formerly known as Ellis Park against a Lions side intent on re-enacting the final scenes from Jaws would have made even Cecil B De Mille proud. Which is all good and fine, because it damned near killed me.

Sat alongside my media colleagues, having slumped lower and lower into my chair during what was perhaps the most shocking 50 minutes of rugby I have ever had to endure at the hands of the team I love so passionately, I finally abandoned decorum and began to shout. Louder and louder. Not at my team, but for them. And around 15,000 of the 30,000 crowd joined me because the Coke Can formerly known as Ellis Park was as much a sea of black and white as red.

And true to the plot of any classic epic a hero heeded our calls and stepped up to the plate, saving his comrades from an almost certain mauling… WAIT! Before you all start rolling your eyes and muttering “here she goes again” I am not going to launch a glowing, flowery appraisal of the Man-of-the-Match. Mr Lambie needs no fluffing from me. He did what was required of him. In his own, inimitable way. :cool:

The result is that my throat now feels as if it has swallowed hot coals, and single-handedly hauled the Sharks over them before swallowing. And we managed to pull off what seemed just after half time to be an impossible task and add two points next to our name on the log.

We should have won the match. In the first half. But we didn’t. And it vexes me greatly that we didn’t. But we didn’t lose either. And I’ll take 30-all any day above 30-9. And yes, we have everything to play for now in another seemingly impossible situation – against the Bulls at Loftus. And I’ll bet that everyone out there is convinced we are going to lose that one. Just like the Lions were convinced they were going to win this afternoon.

The Sharks are playing epic rugby. Epically bad and epically good. And usually in the same match. It’s become the weekly plot of a B movie – in which the heroes of the piece stumble and almost fail in the first half before the intermission, only to come back after the break and slay the enemy in the 11th hour, with little to spare. The audience is given a roller coaster ride watching all of this unfold.

In Hollywood it would be considered bloody good entertainment. On a rugby pitch in the dying days of what has been an equally up and down SupeRugby ride it’s just downright daft. No matter how magnificent the comeback (and all credit to the heroic Mr Lambie for kicking his mates’ butts into top gear for the final half an hour) the fact remains that it should not have been necessary.

It’s not for little old me to tell Mr Plumtree what I think he should do to fix this problem. No more than it’s for Mr Plumtree to tell me how to write. I am not privvy to the innerworkings of the team that I adore. My job is to go out there and shout. Until I lose my voice if necessary. And ride the roller coaster on the understanding that if it makes me feel too sick to continue, then I always have the choice of getting off!

I for one won’t ever do that. I love a good epic, you see. They have all the right ingredients, good plots, fabulous locations, casts of thousands, handsome heroes and cracking endings…

I can’t wait to see how this one ends. I just hope it isn’t a tear-jerker. Somebody pass the popcorn… !!!



178 Comments

  • “We should have won the match. In the first half.” Really? :shock:

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.06.11 23:12:24 by diablo Reply
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  • Its shocking to say the least, Some old timers has shown now that its time to go in peace.
    Take nothing away from the Lions, but the Sharks were terrible and those cracks are widening further by evey week.
    We basicly in finals from this comming weekend, I doubt we will go futher than next week, and even if we some how manage to do that I doubt we will see another win from the sharks to go past the quaters.
    How many more chances does the Sharks want to be in the finals? They have only them selves to blame for having a shorter Super 15.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.06.11 23:15:10 by Uli Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 1) : ROFL I thought the same, maybe it was ment that the lions should have won…??

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.06.11 23:17:24 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 2) : The Sharks weren’t terrible all of the time. That’s the problem.

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.06.11 23:19:21 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 2) : @Uli (Comment 3) : Read it again. The Sharks should have come out of the starting blocks the way they played in the second half and put 30 on the board in the first half.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.06.11 23:21:29 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 4) : Yes we have a terrible failed team at the moment.
    We base our game too much on lambie and alberts.

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.06.11 23:26:02 by Uli Reply
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  • @ Sharon, then why does Plum not start with the best possible team, against the Bulls we won’t be allowed to play catch up rugby ;-)

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.06.11 23:27:07 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 7) : I agree Charlie. The thing is that players’ mental approach to a game changes, the same way physical form changes. A few weeks ago everyone was slagging Bosman off. Now he’s playing better no one’s saying a word. If it were up to me, I’d start the side that finished the second half today. But it’s not up to me. And next week, that side might not work the same way it did this afternoon. All this chopping and changing isn’t doing any good at all. Look at the number of guys on the other thread saying that Pat should now be moved to 12 or 15 because Michalak is back. And Pat is the one who put 20 points on the board today and saved our backsides, at 10!
    But yes. The best possible team available should always start. But that doesn’t guarantee that it will play like the best possible team!

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.06.11 23:33:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • The biggest problem is that the Sharks depend on individual performances and not a team effort, the last time I saw a team effort from our boys were in the cc final. I wish they want to watch that game again and see how they sould be playing

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.06.11 23:34:08 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 9) : There have been bursts of team effort in performances against the Crusaders and again this afternoon, but for some reason we can’t seem to replicate it all of the time. The last half an hour of today’s game was outstanding.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.06.11 23:42:29 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 8) : Completely agree. The first half of a game against the Bulls will in all probability not require the same things from our players that we needed in the 2nd half of this game. We face a different opposition in a different situation. Plum needs formulate a tactic to try and beat the Bulls and he has to pick the players accordingly.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.06.11 23:45:18 by war1 Reply
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  • Who was the captain when Smit and Terblanche were off? Daniel?

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.06.11 23:47:01 by war1 Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 10) : true but like you said for periods there have been glimpses of team effort but were going to need the complete performance to win against the bulld

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.06.11 23:52:14 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 13) : against the bulls

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.06.11 23:53:44 by BR Reply
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  • @ war1…the whole team ! :lol:

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.06.11 23:55:39 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 15) : I was at the stadium and watched the last 10 mins about from the tunnel to make an early exit and miss traffic so I didn’t see who was making decisions and talking to the guys. Was just wondering aloud wrt possible Sharks captain for 2012.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.06.11 00:05:09 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 16) : No idea who was captain. Supersport is so informative that they were all confused, they thought for a while Mcleod was captain! :roll: I think it would have neen Ali or Daniel

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.06.11 00:08:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : Thanks bro, will try to watch the game again ( maybe just the last 30 mins ;) ) and see who it was.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.06.11 00:17:28 by war1 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : And about Supersport commentary it’s bad but listen to radio commentary and try to figure out what is going on! Listened to the whole 1st half of the Stormers v Bulls game on the way home.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.06.11 00:20:53 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 19) : Hehe what radio station?

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.06.11 00:24:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : RSG papa!

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.06.11 00:38:27 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 21) : Lol pure boere, Nicky van den Berg! :)

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.06.11 00:46:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) : Yeah, I think this one was Gerrie Scheepers. He gets quite excited so it often sounds like a team is about to score, even though they’re only on the halfway line.

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.06.11 00:55:27 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 23) : I can only imagine! :)

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.06.11 01:04:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 24) : I think the best was him referring to Winckler in the Crusaders vs Cheetahs game, it took me a little while to figure out he was actually referring to Willie Heinz. Classic! Anyway, must try to get to sleep. Lekker aand verder.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.06.11 01:07:28 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 25) : LOL they are quite a weird bunch on RSG. Thanks dude. Lekker aand vi jou ook da.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.06.11 01:09:27 by Ben Reply
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  • Daniel took over the captaincy when smit and terblanche went off

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.06.11 07:23:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • How the hell am I gonna get the mental image of Sharon Fluffing Lambie out of my head. :?: :oops:

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.06.11 07:32:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Epic indeed, good article! ;-) I am positive about this weekend against the Bulls though…if ever The Boys(including coaching staff) had a wake-up call,it was against the Lions! I wouldn’t expect to many drastic changes being made to the starting XV, I sure do hope for a team simular to:
    15.Ludick
    14.JP
    13.Terblanche
    12.Lambie
    11.Mvovo
    10.Michalak
    9.Mcloed(would prefer Hoffman)
    8.Kanko
    7.Deysel
    6.Daniel
    5.Mostert
    4.Hargreaves
    3.Van Staden(Jannie really)
    2.Smit(c)(we need his leadership and line-out ability)
    1.Beast
    16. Bismarck 17.Herbst 18.Coetzee 19. Alberts 20.Sykes 21.Jacobs 22.Bosman

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.06.11 08:44:59 by Boiki04 Reply

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  • Great come back by the sharks….Patrick Lambie was simply brilliant…the bulls had to fight hard to win the game at newlands it was all about defence…habana nearly gave me a heart attack basson was the hero lol….i would be embarrased and ashamed if i was a stormers supporter the crowd in cape town is disgusting the booing was pathetic no wonder i do not blog with keo and his angels :mrgreen: everything points to loftus i am nervous because the sharks know how to beat the bulls at loftus it will be a massive game may the best team win the bulls supporters and the bulls team must remain humble the sharks will be hard to beat.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.06.11 08:56:09 by Muzi Reply

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  • the Sharks play rubbish up until the 50th minute where John has to be replaced either by Beast or Bismarck. Go figure.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.06.11 09:31:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • Megatron and many on this site still have not put two and two together :evil: I just can’t wait for next year!

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.06.11 09:45:42 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • And funny thing for all his great leadership all of two trophies the Sharks have won were without him, he has not lead the Sharks to any trophy.

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.06.11 09:50:17 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 33) : Now you have touched on something that has been on my heart for a long time. JS is a brilliant Bok Captain, but somehow he does not seem to have the insfluence in Black & White.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.06.11 10:43:46 by catfish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 31) : I’m glad you said it, cos when i try and mention it, i get rebuked for engaging in personal attacks on the players.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.06.11 10:52:02 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 30) : So you’ve experienced the Newlands ‘hospitality’ too, eh? The behaviour by the fans there is shameful and small-minded. I wonder if they know that their beloved stadium looks like a concrete turd held together with sticky-tape and spit.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.06.11 10:56:00 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Well, now that I’m clearly the only blogger on the site, I’ll continue talking to myself. :lol:
    Just read that Butch has been cited for that dangerous tackle on Keegan Daniel. That and the shoulder charge on Stefan, makes me really disappointed in the guy. You’d have thought he turned the corner on all that nonsense. I mean, he’s a Maritzburg boy and all, and I’ll always respect what he achieved for the Sharks but damn, he tries hard to make himself unlikeable.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.06.11 11:05:34 by CapeShark Reply
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  • Capeshark you are not alone on this site saying it there are a few of us that support The Sharks and not individual players who are trying to break personal records

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.06.11 11:08:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 5) : Sharon,

    Nice article as usual. Your articles always put a smile on my face and lift my spirits about our team.

    Sweet Pie, we needed the team that played in the 2nd half to have started, to have won by that much in the first… ;-)

    Our loose trio was just to light weight and with no Alberts we needed Bissie to start.

    With Adi, Bissie and Freddie coming on we played a whole lot better. Also we seem to play well when we desperate.

    Next week we need Adi, Bissie and Freddie to start. We may have a chance. Not really bothered that we never won, just damn pleased we never lost and picked up the 2 points. Even if we had won we would still have to beat the Bulls next week to make the play offs. So 2 points or 4 makes no difference. What will make a difference is selecting the right players to start. Plum needs to think hard before he selects who starts this week.

    Gonna be a tough battle at Loftus.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.06.11 11:10:30 by Puma Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 37) : Actually Butch should have picked up a red for the high tackle on Keegan. Really thought Mark was gonna pull out the red.

    Yes, also feel disappointed in Butch. He had stopped all that dirty play long time back, before he left the Sharks. He needs to work on that quick. Cause he is going to the world cup and we can never afford a player to pick up a red card. However, Butch is still a classy player and has made a massive difference to the Lions team.

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.06.11 11:15:13 by Puma Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 30) : Lambie was simply superb.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.06.11 11:17:54 by Puma Reply

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  • JS is a shyte Sharks captain.
    I have a feeling if matfield was SA captain the boks would have achieved more or less the same.
    I can not stand matfield btw.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.06.11 11:17:56 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Just think if lambie and fred can be 10 and 12,one side of the ruck fred the other pat.2 brilliant playmakers both sides of the ruck,but I just do not know about the defense?

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.06.11 11:20:27 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 33) : And how many Springbok trophies were won without him since he became Captain?

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.06.11 11:28:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 38) : I find that comment very interesting since it was made by you.

    It is amazing to see the number of supporters run down individual players who just happen to be playin in the position of the player they support the most.

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.06.11 11:34:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 43) : Freddie is bloody strong for his size and Lambie is a text-book tackler, I have no fears about their defense. Seeing that we are in the LAST CHANCE SALOON, it would make sense to start with two good playmakers instead of one. However, I am approaching that conclusion using logic and intelligence, I can’t say what the coaching staff will do.

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.06.11 11:38:52 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 45) : I agree that Jon Smit is a terrific bok captain with a proud history, but at this current point there is NO WAY he should be starting ahead of Bismark. Would JS have launched himself metres into the air to charge down Butch’s drop goal and saved our blushes? Bismark right now is offering so much more on the ground, in broken play, in the scrum, it’s simply madness to put him on the bench. And let’s face facts, JS is simply not a prop. For me the only logical conclusion is to keep him on the bench where his weaknesses can be minimized, even though he is a fantastic and inspirational captain. There’s no harm in the general not joining the frontline.

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.06.11 11:46:22 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 47) : Bismarck also happens to lead the turnovers given away for the 2011 S15 season. John Smit does not lead that facet of play either.

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.06.11 11:54:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I dont believe that there is anything worng with our players – those of you slagging of John and Stefan – they weren’t the only ones subituted. John PLumtree subbed a whole hord of players at the same time. I think our coaches aren’t upto the task – either they need to get specialised help or they need to move along, because we have a great team who they are letting down.

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.06.11 11:54:58 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 33) : So when we won the rugby world cup with John, what did you have to say then?

    Remember the Super14 2007 was ours with John there, but the Ref made a mistake. We could have had that one. Then that is in the past and long gone now. John was captain when we won a Lions tour as well.

    Yesterday without Alberts and Deysel then we needed to start with Bissie. You can’t put the blame square on John, that is a bit unfair. What about Stefan? Surely Adi needs to start and Freddie too. Adi made a massive difference and yes, so did Bissie but if we had Alberts or Deysel there think even with Bissie on the Bench we could have been fine. Plum got it wrong in selection. With our light loosies, John should have been on the bench yesterday with Bissie starting.

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.06.11 11:54:59 by Puma Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 49) : Good post.

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.06.11 11:56:31 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 51) : ditto..it also seems you have the same ability as my sister..to intepret the typo’s :oops:

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.06.11 12:00:53 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Anyhow everyone, if we had picked up the win with 4 points we would still have to come out next week to beat the Bulls. 4 or 2 points makes no difference for next week. It boils down to the same. A win nothing else.

    Bottom line here is we should have won some earlier games we lost. Especially against the Chiefs. A bonus point went begging against the Blues had Alberts passed or not knocked on in that game. Had we got all our kicks against the Saders we would have picked up a extra bonus point that game and against the Stormers at Kings Park had we got our kicks. That would add another 5 points to what we have now. We could be sitting on 58. BUT that is all ifs. Let us move on and just hope we can win next week.

    We select right, play like we done in the 2nd half. We just could do it.

    Go Sharks. Win or lose still support my team. :cool:

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.06.11 12:03:10 by Puma Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 52) : :)

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.06.11 12:05:10 by Puma Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 45) : Agree with your last paragraph 100%.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.06.11 12:08:29 by Puma Reply

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  • Awesome, awesome article Sharon! I often try to avoid the press after games because of their win-or-lose focus. I will always support the Sharks and sometimes I just ignore all of the negative talk, and focus on the next game, like the majority of Sharks fans I hope. (@Puma)

    I prefer to listen to what the players have to say about things, as opposed to the press. Smit is a prime example – listen to what those around him have to say, not what some misguided journalist from the Cape tries to sensationalise.

    I literally have no respect for journalism anymore. It is always so slanted by the author’s agenda; and the truth is buried miles below the surface.

    That said, sometimes we have a ray of light. Enjoyed your articles in Rugby Mentor!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.06.11 12:18:00 by Frisbee Reply

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  • As always a great read by Shaz, thanks for taking the time to write for us.

    Blaming any individual player, or even the coach for a loss is simply not on, and is never accurate. I have no problem with people criticizing facets of play exhibited by individuals, or decisions made by players on the field, or coaches off the field (I would prefer positive criticism intended to help). However, simply blaming a player or players for a loss just because “we played better” with them off the field is simply not on, there is nothing to back up your statement, and therefore should simply be dismissed as the rantings of someone who is emotional after a rough match. I have been critical of Terblanche, but I have been critical of his play, I have never blamed him for a loss. Like KSA, I have been critical of Bissie’s tendency to give the ball to the opposition, but never blamed a loss on that. Last year, Stef took us to a CC win, but in my opinion has been overplayed. So has Bissie, he has played far too much rugby this season, like Alberts. I have been critical of Plum for this, but never blamed a loss on him.

    Smit does not select himself, if you have ever met him, you would know he is a class act, pure class to be honest. Yes, he is nearing the end of a superb career, and not at the level he was at his prime, but to blame a draw on him is just not on. Bissie is a superb Hooker and will be a massive asset to the Sharks and Boks for years to come, but to point the finger at another player because he has displaced Bissie for the match is also not on, Bissie needed the rest, and to be honest, he needs to be rested against the Bulls, especially if we have any forward thinking regarding possible playoff matches.

    If you think you could provide 10% of what Smit does on the Rugby field, then please elaborate on what he could have done better, but stay away from the “we’re better without him” argument with nothing to back it up.

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.06.11 13:02:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Also, to say that John Smit is after personal accomplishment and that is why he is still playing is also not on. Again, you have no proof of this, and for someone that has done everything for his province and country during his career is simply not accurate. He does not select himself, there were many begging him to stay on through this RWC. He is not going to pass Matfield for most Bok caps, he is not going to set individual l records for the Sharks. The only thing missing from his trophy case is a SupeRugby trophy, which is a TEAM accomplishment. Smit has been the last person chasing individual glory, and, once again, if you had ever met him, you would know he is a very humble person.

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.06.11 13:10:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • We need to play without fear against the Bulls and give the ball plentity of air, much like we did in the last few minutes against the Lions. I like the energy the young players bring on the field.. Is it just me or has Beast lost it? Regarding Smit, I wouldn’t pick him this weekend..play Burden and Bismarck…. Really happy with Herbst and Coetzee, would even start with Herbst and Eugene.

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.06.11 13:24:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) : Exellent post DB. I have met Smit, so know exactly what you are talking about. He is simply a superb person.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.06.11 13:25:41 by Puma Reply

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  • DB for president….. :smile:

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.06.11 13:25:50 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 60) : sorry typo – excellent.

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.06.11 13:27:11 by Puma Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : We need an I like button, if not in general then at least for that comment.

    you’re up early on a Sunday morning :)

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.06.11 13:28:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : nothing against smit he is a brilliant captain and was a very good player as well but he is not nearly as good now as what he was then, I feel he should have retired a couple of years ago.

    The question is if we can afford to bench bissie to make space for smit ( not only now at the sharks but at the wc as well)?

    I feel for the guy he had to play prop while everybody knew he isn’t a prop.
    Hope he will be involved with the sharks after the wc, he is a very good captain and inspire every body around him and he can ofer some of the coaching we so desperatly need

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.06.11 14:13:46 by BR Reply
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  • jeez…reading some of the comments here have really peed me off. How can people blame JS for the loss and make out that the game only changed when Bismark came on? :roll: :shock:

    Look at the improvement in our lineout work in the first half….who was the hooker? and who threw into the lineouts?

    Yes the Sharks were incredibly poor in the first half and the game changed with the advent of the subs, but look at the game situation..we were 30-9 down so had nothing to lose…the shackles were loosened and their was a freedom to play. Also the YC that Butch James received was vital as it destroyed the Lions’ whole defensive alignment.

    So it’s the usual jump on the JS bandwagon…just as the same people climb on the Pierre Spies, Meisiekind or Ricky Januarie one. They are blind to any good that these guys display and only pick up on the negatives. Do yourself a favour and actually watch the game rather than just copy what everyone else is saying!!!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.06.11 14:49:15 by Villie Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 64) : but I also don’t want us to make the same mistake as in 1999 it is a sticky situation and I think that is the reason they started to play smit at prop to make space for him but is it the right option?

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.06.11 14:52:32 by BR Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 58) : AMEN…someone speaks some sense. Well said DB!!!!

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.06.11 14:55:09 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 65) : not blameing smit for the poor performance of the team just saying that bissie offers more in general play.

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.06.11 14:57:38 by BR Reply
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  • KSA like Catfish I have never questioned JS’s pedigree as a Bok Captain just as Sharks, he hasn’t led us as superbly as some would have us believe. Like Olivier delivers in blu it seems to me that john delivers better in green than in black. As to your other point yes I DO prefer Bissie as a hooker I’m not ashamed to admit it, however if u go back to many of my posts after the Bulls match when Bissie played shite I called for his head too, to me the only holy cow are The Sharks not individual players no matter how I like the player. Can you in all honestly say that the Sharks were better with Js on the field and under his leadership than when Daniel lead?
    Puma I was very happy when we won the RWC but there were 14 other men on the field on that day doing their bit, includin a full back playing with an injury so he could be there to kick should the need arise but had the integrity to retire when his game was dropping. I’m italian and for us there was no bigger hero than Cannavaro who won us the 2006 SWC like in our case they kkept him for 2010 WC despite his form because of his leadership italy didn’t make it past the pool games, let’s hope the same doesn’t happen to sA

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.06.11 15:16:41 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 69) : :shock:

    The reason Olivier battles at Bok level is because he finds it difficult to make the step up.

    Are you seriously suggesting that John Smit can play well at the top level of the game but is not able to take a step down and play at a lower level?

    I’m sure we have all called for our favourite player to be dropped at one time or another. It does become a bit predictable though when someones favourite player is on the bench and the head we call for is the player starting in that position.

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.06.11 15:52:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Damn, there some deep stuff being said on this thread…

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.06.11 16:05:15 by Crock Reply

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  • Maybe english being my second language I have not expressed myself adequately, I am in no way blaming jS for the terrible 1st half! The point I was trying to make was the fact that with two of our ball carriers siselined by injury and banning, a light weight loose trio, the coaches felt the need to bench the only other ball carrier to make room for the Captain when they were able to win 2 ccs without him and coped more than admirably when he came off.

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.06.11 16:10:36 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • a little bit of objectivity is NEEDED even from ardent supporters. John’s credentials are NOT in question here, it is is current form that is of concern, like ricky januarie smit can only do the bare minimum and that my friends doesn’t cut it in professional sport where the difference between a win & loss is the EXTRA edge a player can provide whether in getting up 1sec quicker after making that tackle, or finding the extra gear to chase down a season ending drop goal.

    Even as blinkered fans some of you have to know that smit not fully fit.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.06.11 16:17:22 by Megatron Reply

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  • No KSA that is not what I am sayin – the team dynamics are different in the boks and Sharks, so imo JS is better in the Bok set up much like Cannavaro was better nationally than at Juve. And by the way the only objection I have to JS is at prop and I do not have a particular penchant for any of the props ;) . But if you ask which hookers I would have on my team it would be Bismarck and Kyle Cooper on the bench.

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.06.11 16:17:52 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • My Team for our last match:

    1.Beast
    2.Smit
    3.Herbst
    4.Sykes
    5.Mosterd
    6.Daniel
    7.Deysel
    8.Kanko
    9.McLeod
    10.Michalak
    11.Mvovo
    12.Lambie
    13.Jacobs
    14.JP
    15.Stefan

    Best combination we have right now.

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.06.11 16:22:02 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Thank you Megatron finally some sense, not to mention that ball steal by Bismarck on our line, hey but I’m biased. :evil:

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.06.11 16:23:33 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • LOL Butch James Cited?

    Sour grapes from our side maybe . . .

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.06.11 16:36:32 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Original Pierre that tackle was bad! I was really worried for Keegs when it happened! But a nice touch on his part to go and apologise to Keegan

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.06.11 16:42:06 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 77) : OP the teams do not call for citings ,its an indipendent panel

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.06.11 17:00:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • just met Keegs & someone i think is his girlfriend @ O.R. Tambo…

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.06.11 17:54:04 by Megatron Reply

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  • Let me say this load and clear. Shas, keep the popcorn, give me the nartjies, I’m going to loftes(waar dit rof is) en wen of verloor, I’m shouting till I have no voice for the team I believe can stil do it. Let Plum do what he thinks is right and good, but I will wear the black and white, I WILL support the SHARKS all the way. No surender no retreat, BLACK AND WHITE nothing els matters….. Go SHARKS!!!!!

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.06.11 17:57:59 by franshark Reply
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  • Be sure to see this comment again :)

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.06.11 18:11:29 by franshark Reply
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  • Kanko?* :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.06.11 19:18:24 by rhineshark Reply
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  • *To all you over-sensitive souls out there. Joke.

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.06.11 19:19:30 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 81) : Hou van jou attitude bru. :cool:

    Hoop ons kan dit op een of ander manier deurtrek. Is nie onmoontlik nie – het nie te lank terug nie met 14 spelers hulle gatte op Loftus geskop.

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.06.11 19:24:25 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 85) : Julle gaan hierdie keer dalk die ref ook aan julle kant moet kry. He he.

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.06.11 19:34:11 by Bloubloubul Reply

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  • @franshark (Comment 82) : Daai vorige berig was eintlik vir jou Frans.

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.06.11 19:52:14 by Bloubloubul Reply

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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 87) : wat het ons gedoen om jou geselskap te verdien, o ja die deur vir die bulls oopgemaak :evil:

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.06.11 19:59:47 by franshark Reply
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  • Ref for the Sharks/Bulls game is Kaplan. :cool:

    Ref for Stormers/Cheetahs is Jonker. :smile: Some Cheetah supporters not gonna be happy.. :)

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.06.11 20:05:04 by Puma Reply

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  • @franshark (Comment 88) : Kyk bietjie agter die covers watter taktiek julle wil gebruik om ons Bulle te wen.

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.06.11 20:06:48 by Bloubloubul Reply

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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 90) : Sorry I don’t understand?

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.06.11 20:22:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 91) : My English is not that good but I’ll try. Just told Frans I want too look behind the covers the sharks strategy to beat the bulls. It is actually to see other peoples views.

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.06.11 20:32:56 by Bloubloubul Reply

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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 90) : se die span met die groter beursie

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.06.11 20:36:36 by BR Reply
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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 92) : Ek kan afrikaans baie goed verstaan, ek verstaan net nie wat jy bedoel nie :)

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.06.11 20:38:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 90) : Okay noow I understand

    JY Kyk bietjie agter die covers watter taktiek julle wil gebruik om ons Bulle te wen.

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.06.11 20:38:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 92) : Did okay as jy nie Engels verstaan nie, ons sal stadig tik sodat jy kan lees :wink:

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.06.11 20:39:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Marius Jonker?
    Oh dear…

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.06.11 20:40:20 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 97) : Those were the original appointments but after last weeks performance (although they say he wasn’t stood down) he was pulled from reffing the Lions Sharks and ran touch in CT.

    So i would NOT be surprised if he doesn’t ref your game.

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.06.11 20:43:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 96) : die blou bul spy… :)

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.06.11 20:47:41 by franshark Reply
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  • KSA Shark
    Thanks for clearing that up!
    I don’t rate Jonker at all.

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.06.11 20:50:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 100) : That is the LEAST of your worries.

    Not So Legoete was appointed as TJ for your game. :lol:

    ORIGINAL appointments
    Referee: Marius Jonker
    ARs: Not So Legoete, Stefan Breytenbach

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.06.11 21:00:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Bulls v Sharks

    Ref: Jonathan Kaplan
    ARs: Mark Lawrence, Christie Du Preez

    I will not be surprised if Lawrence rocks up in Bloemfontein.

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.06.11 21:03:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 102) : What happened to the name change? :)

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.06.11 21:11:19 by Ben Reply
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  • I don’t want anyone to think that I have a problem with anyone that criticizes John Smit, I don’t. I do think he has faced a fair bit of completely undeserved criticism, but he is certainly not above it. As with the criticism of anyone, try to back it up with fact, and not conjecture. There is an old Jewish belief that in order for criticism to be a good thing, it has to be given out of love, intended to help, and should always be done in private. Not sure the private thing is ever possible nowadays, but think about the first two.

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.06.11 21:19:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I remember when a Bok front row of Beast, Bissie and Smit destroyed the B&I Lions front row, and I mean destroyed them. They were going forward on every scrum, and on a few scrums completely folded the B&I front row. I wrote a very long post back then on why, technically they were able to do so well against the B&I front row. Smit played superbly at 3, but the nay sayers voices were so strong, it was not long before he was “turbo reverse” (thanks Grant10) in many people’s mind. Not because he actually went backwards, but rather because of some misconceived perception by people that have not spent a minute in the front row of a scrum.

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.06.11 21:23:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 105) : Howzit DB. In your opinion, does Smit scrum better or as well as the Beast??

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.06.11 21:27:36 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 106) : Howzit Ben! Good to see you. Please understand that my posts in no way should imply I felt Smit played well on Saturday, I just want people to really watch him play and point out his deficiencies.

    As for scrumming at loosehead, I think the problem is that Smit has not had significant game time at either 1 or 2. I think we expect a lot from him, but at this level, I just can’t imagine it is easy for anyone to chop and change between those positions. Beast is a superb scrummager, but has difficulty against short tightheads, a player like BJ Botha gives him fits in the scrum. I honestly believe that with regular game time, Smit would be a superior scrummager at any of the front row positions, but he can not chop and change. That in no way would imply that Smit is a better loosehead than Beast, I don’t think he is. Beast offers more expected from a loosehead. I would make an argument that Smit is a better TH than Jannie, and I now I would catch a lot of flak for that, but I can point to some technical evidence to back it up.

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.06.11 21:33:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : I’m good thanks. The reason I ask you is this. If Smit is not as good or a better scrummager than Beast why on earth is Plum playing him there? Only if Beast is being rested that would be fine with me. Not saying its his fault either this is all Plum’s choice. For that reason and many others I blame Plum and Basically team Management and selection for our failures this year. All of the players on Saturday looked physically tired. If Plum rotated and rest players much more this would not have happened imo.

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.06.11 21:42:44 by Ben Reply
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  • I feel that against a front row of two relatively tall props and a shorter hooker, Beast, Bissie and Smit can excel, however, the naysayers have convinced all that Smit is not viable at 3. The Bulls have two relatively tall props and shorter hookers. Of course I am not naive, this would never happen, but horses for courses I say, and Smit can spell every position in the front row and start almost every match, don’t like him having to chop and change, but if anyone can pull it off.

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.06.11 21:43:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 108) : You will get no argument from me regarding rotation of players. I was so excited, since we had 5 superb front rowers we could have rotated, 3 excellent locks, 5 great loosies, etc.

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.06.11 21:45:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 110) : Of course we are not under the pressure that Plum is. I can only imagine how difficult it is for him to go with anything other than the 15 best players he has for a given match.

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.06.11 21:48:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • But what frustrates me the most about Plum is his Cowardly behaviour. He keeps blaming the players for our failures but week after week he keeps selecting the same players that keep on failing. And never he admits that he was the one in the wrong, its always the players that don’t deliver.

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.06.11 21:48:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 112) : I find it frustrating too Ben, but we should try to imagine the pressure that is squarely on Plum’s shoulder whenever he has to select a side.

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.06.11 21:50:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I will be the first to admit that Smit is having a poor season this RWC year. However, I would not put it past him to have 7 more world class performances in him for the RWC. I would not count him out yet, he is pure class. Bissie’s time will come, he is a young hooker still.

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.06.11 21:54:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 113) : Yeah hard to really care about that right now. As a coach there is expected of you to deliver results. And the main concern is he has got the squad, this squad is prop full of quality but he just can’t seem to get the best out of them. I seriously hope we start breeding a new captain in the CC.

  • Comment 115, posted at 12.06.11 21:56:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 115) : I think Keegs is the natural successor for captain. That boy seems full of leadership qualities. He seems to not lose anything in his game while captain. Not sure that Hargreaves can provide top level performances and lead the team.

  • Comment 116, posted at 12.06.11 22:00:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 116) : I agree, I hope Keegs is our new captain and then I’d make Ali the Vice Captain. Thing with Keegs is he isn’t really international rugby material taking his size into account. Meaning he will always be with the team, baring injuries. I know he does punch well above his weight but I don’t think he will really become a great bok with all the players coming through.

  • Comment 117, posted at 12.06.11 22:04:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 117) : Not sure he will ever be front line Bok, but I can see him used as an impact player a fair bit. Still I agree, we should have him around a lot. Having seen him take his share of lineout ball, I am not so sure he can’t punch above his weight. :grin:

  • Comment 118, posted at 12.06.11 22:05:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Alright Ben, I have to run, have a good evening, I still have a few more hours of daylight, time for a boat ride and still get the braai going. Have a good week coming up!

  • Comment 119, posted at 12.06.11 22:10:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 118) : Do you follow F1?

  • Comment 120, posted at 12.06.11 22:11:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 120) : I enjoy the technical development aspect of F1, but to be honest, I just don’t have the time to devote to following it. I am lucky enough to live in an area pretty much surrounded by water, so my free time is usually spent on the water doing one thing or another, like sailing, fishing, swimming, etc. Or just towing a much bigger boat like 5 miles :lol:

  • Comment 121, posted at 12.06.11 22:15:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 121) : Lol the Canadian grand prix is actually on now, wet track makes for an very interesting race.

  • Comment 122, posted at 12.06.11 22:21:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 122) : hehehe I know I was leaving, but I think most F1 races are interesting, a lot more so than NASCAR or even LeMans. I hate how the NASCAR organizers stifle development, and I get really sick of watching them turn left. :lol:

  • Comment 123, posted at 12.06.11 22:31:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 123) : Lol Nascar is soo boring!! Got a favourite team in F1?

  • Comment 124, posted at 12.06.11 22:36:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 119) : Sorry didn’t even see this comment. Cheers DB, have a great one!

  • Comment 125, posted at 12.06.11 22:50:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 103) : Something fishy with the system. It is showing the name change on the user stats (on PC only, not on a phone) but is not showing in the comments section?????????

  • Comment 126, posted at 13.06.11 04:35:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 126) : Yes I saw, its weird.

  • Comment 127, posted at 13.06.11 07:25:12 by Ben Reply
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  • Well sad news from Christchurch, and oddly enough it is the week before the Crusaders have to take on the Hurricanes. Exactly the same game that was effected by the last earthquake. To all Kiwis effected, stay strong and keep fighting.

  • Comment 128, posted at 13.06.11 07:41:55 by waje Reply

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  • We were 24 people that made the trip from RTB to JHB Saturday morning. 22 Sharks supporters. 2 Lions supporters. We left there 22 dissapointed fans. Because we drew a game against the Lions… 2 very happy fans! Just because they didn’t lose…
    I’ll be honest. That was a great comeback by the boys. But why oh why cant we play that sort of game for 60minutes instead of 30min????

  • Comment 129, posted at 13.06.11 07:56:27 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • As for the Sharks game: here is my 2 cents.
    I have this bird that keeps flying into my window. It is the same bird that keeps coming back and keeps bashing into the window.
    It actually reminds me of Plumtree. Every week he plays the same predictable game, and expects a better result. The Sharks are predictable, Plumtree is predictable and Hugh Reece Edwards is just plain useless. You can look at every player in the Sharks team and you can plan against them. They are predictable. And what makes it worse is how “professional” players are still making basic errors. I have nothing more to add. The Sharks don’t deserve a play off spot, and I hope the Bulls beat them this weekend to save SARU money by not sending a weak team overseas to the playoffs. Rather send a team that can win. And at the moment it is the Bulls on form, not the Sharks.

  • Comment 130, posted at 13.06.11 08:09:00 by waje Reply

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  • The Sharks players are supposed to be professionals. So why have there been 307 handling errors this season? That works out to over 20 a game. This is unacceptable.

  • Comment 131, posted at 13.06.11 08:20:39 by waje Reply

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  • Morning all Eish what a week-end

    1st half was shit kak i don’t know what else to say i just don’t know if we can win the bulls :roll: and still stay in the comp, we played like bulljie rugby. :evil:

    2nd half well what a come back that was more like it we could of taken the Lions from the start yes i know its always sharks better 2nd but when are we going to get a better all round

    what else can we do to get that dame SR Trophey :lol:

  • Comment 132, posted at 13.06.11 08:50:10 by chaz Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 1) : :shock:
    yes we should have :oops:
    but you are a BB :twisted:
    did i see right or did you decide to go and stay with the Sharks :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 133, posted at 13.06.11 08:53:08 by chaz Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 128) : And the MOST ironic bit is that the previous game was supposed to be in Wellington, but got called off because of the eartquake. Now this game which was originally scheduled for Christchurch was moved to Wellington because they missed out on their home fixture and now the earthquake has hit again.

    Crusaders v Hurricanes in Wellington twice with earthquakes in the run up everytime. :shock:

  • Comment 134, posted at 13.06.11 08:58:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Another question? The scores are level, The ball is kicked off the Sharks are in their 22, one and a half minutes left. Possession is key. Fred Michalak kicks the ball out, handing possession over to the Lions and thus killing any chance of a victory. Don’t the Sharks players have a clue how to communicate on the pitch and think things through?

  • Comment 135, posted at 13.06.11 08:59:59 by waje Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 134) : I’m sure the Christchurchians don’t want to see that fixture again.

  • Comment 136, posted at 13.06.11 09:01:31 by waje Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 134) : :shock:

  • Comment 137, posted at 13.06.11 09:01:49 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 132) : Morning Chazz, Blue Balls are deadly !!! :lol: :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 138, posted at 13.06.11 09:03:24 by Charlie Reply

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  • If I was Plumtree, this is how I will play against the Bulls

    10- Freddy
    12- Lambie
    13- Adi
    15-Stef
    2-Bissie
    6-Deysel
    7-Alberts
    8-Daniels

  • Comment 139, posted at 13.06.11 09:03:36 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 133) : congrats on becoming team captain

  • Comment 140, posted at 13.06.11 09:05:23 by franshark Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 138) : that what happens when they get into the Jaws mouth :lol:
    but it looks great :mrgreen:

  • Comment 141, posted at 13.06.11 09:05:41 by chaz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 134) : Gareth Cliff chatted to Zack Guildford this morning, and apparently he and his mate were gatvol and left to move to another town. They had to turn around, because Zack realised he had practice tomorrow. So it is really messing the Crusaders up. If they win this tournament, this year they deserve it. To deal with all this mess around and still perform like they have takes character. Character I wish the Sharks players would show.

  • Comment 142, posted at 13.06.11 09:06:06 by waje Reply

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  • @franshark (Comment 140) : :mrgreen: thanks my friend

  • Comment 143, posted at 13.06.11 09:06:09 by chaz Reply

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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 139) : If I was Plumtree I would hire a creative and backline coach.

  • Comment 144, posted at 13.06.11 09:07:06 by waje Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 144) : :lol:

  • Comment 145, posted at 13.06.11 09:07:30 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 141) : :twisted:

  • Comment 146, posted at 13.06.11 09:08:44 by Charlie Reply

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  • If I was Plumtree, you guys wouldn’t want to hear what I would tell you. It would contain plenty of expletives along with phrases like,
    “so how long have you been coaching?”
    “which tournaments have you won?”
    “will you be coaching a VC, CC or S15?” “If not then STFU.”

    But thankfully Plumtree doesn’t listen to armchair hot air balloons so he won’t be saying any of which I suggested.

  • Comment 148, posted at 13.06.11 09:20:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 148) : Funnily enough those are the questions I would like to ask him? :lol:

  • Comment 149, posted at 13.06.11 09:22:59 by waje Reply

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  • We can analyze till we are blue in the face.

    What is absolutely perpelxing about the Sharks is how their best players, the ones that always makes a difference on the park, are not regular starters.

    Plum asked for mental application or mental toughness in the week leading up to this match, that would suggest that players find themselves in a very good mental space, but I cannot see how he hopes to get this from his players given how he manages them.

    If you think as supporters you are frustrated, imagine what certain players feel like.

    A young Coleman might have been the difference between the Bulls and Stormers on Saturday, but the experience will serve him for the rest of his life because his team invested in him, and trusted him enough to play him. So too a Sadie, Engelbrecht, Kitshoff, Elstadt, etc.

    I spoke to someone on Saturday about the Bulls (who is close to the team), he mentioned something interesting; ‘A team culture is built, not bought’.

    Seeing Freddy run out on Saturday, brilliant as he is, I could not help think where the hell the Sharks Vodacom Cup players were who came to Cape Town a couple of months ago and gave WP a klap…

  • Comment 150, posted at 13.06.11 09:24:54 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 148) : so you think the coach should be beyond reproach?

  • Comment 151, posted at 13.06.11 09:27:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 150) : most of them didn’t get contracts

  • Comment 152, posted at 13.06.11 09:31:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • Answers an honest Plumtree would give:
    “so how long have you been coaching?” Well looking at the 307 handling errors this season and the way the Sharks have been playing, maybe I should start coaching the players.
    “which tournaments have you won?” Two Currie Cups, but lets be honest, any coach can win a Currie Cup with the players the Boks and Dick Muir left behind in the Sharks. And one dimensional rugby can beat most South African teams.
    “will you be coaching a VC, CC or S15?” I suppose I better start as the Sharks can’t seem to get things done on their own. Maybe I’ll come up with something unique, like getting my backline going for gaps and offloading ball to my least played players, namely JP Pieterson and Lwazi Mvovo. I really love working with the forwards, as you can see, but 9 man rugby isn’t working as well as I thought it would.

    Maybe that will Shut The Fans Up.
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 153, posted at 13.06.11 09:34:05 by waje Reply

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  • ‘We should have won the match. In the first half. But we didn’t. And it vexes me greatly that we didn’t. But we didn’t lose either. And I’ll take 30-all any day above 30-9.’

    so you are happy with a draw against the lowly Lions ? The sharks has a lot of work to do for the bulls . they wont be as forgiving as the lions where .

    im a bit sdisapointed that the lions didnt manage to finish off the game . but that will come with experience

  • Comment 154, posted at 13.06.11 09:34:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 152) :

    Dude…

    How?

    Seriously how did that happen? How could they let that happen?

    I am not as close to the team or as intimate with the players and who they are as you guys are, but for the last 4 years the Sharks have shown they can compete with anyone at lower levels like U/19, U/21, Vodacom Cup and of course the Currie Cup. How is it then that they seem to be the only ones to fail to bring these guys through to top level Super Rugby?

    And I am not referring to unearthing rugby prodigee’s around every corner, but in building a squad of 30 to 35 players that can represent at Super Rugby level.

    What I do understand and see is what I saw in WP rugby for years, throwing contracts at players 26 or 28 (and in cases 30) years +, with an absolute disregard for developing local boys.

  • Comment 155, posted at 13.06.11 09:39:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 154) : Looking at how Mitchell has turned a squad of losers around, says a lot about the Lions future. He has a whole Currie Cup now to build a foundation, and a few more clever buys could turn the Lions into a Sharks eating machine. The Lions should look at getting John Smit in as a player-forward coach next year. Their tight five is their biggest weakness.

  • Comment 156, posted at 13.06.11 09:41:15 by waje Reply

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  • Must say I actually agree with Waje on some things, we are very predictable. I am not a professional coach, so I dont have the solution. The only thing I know is that we must make a plan very soon.

    I really hope we make the play offs, but with our current form…. We not going anywhere after that. Although I still believe we can turn things around if Plum changes his approach. Plum is a good coach, so I know he has the ability to make a plan.

    We need to give some of the guys a break, maybe should have happened earlier! But Plum is faithful to his players, not a bad thing…. Some players needs game time to get into form….

    Lets wait and see. SHARKS FOREVER!!!!!!

    P.S. What is a Blou Bul doing on Sharksworld? Please block his profile. We deal with enough of these people at work, Sharksworld is suppose to be a safe place.

  • Comment 157, posted at 13.06.11 09:43:58 by Chris1985 Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 150) : Built from under 19 upwards maybe, because that is when the Bulls buy any available player on the market and the select the ones who develop later on to be built into a team.

    The Bulls or anyones close to the team should be the last ones to talk about building a team. I suppose you COULD say they bought the building blocks to build with when they were still small.

  • Comment 158, posted at 13.06.11 09:49:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 158) :

    But that was my reference, U/19, U/21 and VC.

    Whether built or bought, those are the levels which are vitally important.

    The problem however is not whether the Sharks are currently strong, there, they are, and have been for years from memory, the question is why we are not seeing a return of all this at Super Rugby level?

  • Comment 159, posted at 13.06.11 09:52:59 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 151) : Don’t put words in my mouth. :)

    I have issue with the “my team would be this” “If I were plum” “Plum is an idiot because” comments.

    If any of “you” (the guys making these comments) were good enough you would be coaches. How many of “you” are?

  • Comment 160, posted at 13.06.11 09:54:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Chris1985 (Comment 157) : he he… some of our best friends and most loyal posters here are not Sharks supporters :)

  • Comment 161, posted at 13.06.11 09:54:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 160) : I don’t see that as a valid argument, though. Because if you follow it to its natural conclusion, what you’re saying is that nobody who isn’t ALREADY the coach is allowed to have an opinion about the way the team is playing. Best then to shut the site down because there’s nothing to talk about.

  • Comment 162, posted at 13.06.11 09:56:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Chris1985 (Comment 157) : I’m afraid this is not a safe haven. We welcome bloggers from any team on our website.

  • Comment 163, posted at 13.06.11 09:59:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I guess what I am referring to is how the Sharks find themselves stuck in HAVING to play a guy at 13 with no spark, in his mid-30′s? Why contract another 30-year + center from Europe?

    How come they found themselves in a situation to fly in a 30+ year old Frenchman because of a crisis?

    What was the value in contracting a flyhalf/center the Cheetahs don’t even rate and could hardly get a start for the Bulls also closer to 30 than he is to 20?

    We are in week 18 of Super Rugby, and two players specifically who always makes an impact for the team are not regular starters.

    All this comes back to the question on how players are managed within the franchise and union.

  • Comment 164, posted at 13.06.11 10:01:33 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 155) : they didn’t win the Vodacom Cup, so they are now (for the most part) seen as surplus to requirements.

    Those that are still u21 will keep their junior contracts, but most of the other have already been let go.

  • Comment 165, posted at 13.06.11 10:02:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 159) : I agree with THAT comment of yours, but the Bulls or someone close to their team should be all “skeinheilig” and say a team is built not bought. They are the biggest buyers out there they just buy them when they are younger and cheaper.

  • Comment 166, posted at 13.06.11 10:03:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 165) : actually, I’m overreacting, as usual :)

    Of the match 22 that beat WP in the Vodacom Cup quarter, only 4-5 have been let go.

  • Comment 167, posted at 13.06.11 10:05:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 160) : Calling Plumtree an idiot is un-called for. Plumtree is a great player manager. His players are fit, they have done well physically this season. The real question though is, is he a great coach? Coaches need to be able to come up with varying gameplans for different teams. Players need to be coached to fix problems. Charl McLoed’s poor handling. Willem Alberts needs to learn to off load more. This is stuff a coach should be looking at to get the most out of his players on the field. I don’t think he has done himself any favours by getting Hugh-Reece Edwards in. I don’t think Plumtree must go as he does the basics well, but he does need to get in some creative input.

  • Comment 168, posted at 13.06.11 10:06:42 by waje Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 162) : Having an opinion is cool being a Monday morning quarterback with the selections is not.

    There are a million things we discuss on the site, maybe 5% of it is the “If I were coach….” stuff. That increases massively when we have lost.

  • Comment 169, posted at 13.06.11 10:07:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 155) : why is it that when other teams eg lions look to make purchases then the usual fare of “you can’t buy success” is always offered yet when the sharks make purchases like michalak, deysel, alberts, ludik, bosman some people are quick to speak of the “pro era”?

    where and how would those players acquire the “culture” you spoke of earlier?

  • Comment 170, posted at 13.06.11 10:11:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 169) : I really don’t get what you’re aiming at. When we believe the coach has not come up to scratch, we are within our rights to criticise him. I don’t agree with personal attacks of the “xxx is an idiot” variety but if I can see that Plumtree or any of his mates are doing something that I consider idiotic, I will point it out.

    I know this game more than well enough to offer an informed opinion about what the Sharks coaches are doing wrong. I really don’t think that I need to actually BE the coach in order to recognise the glaring holes in our current approach.

  • Comment 171, posted at 13.06.11 10:21:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 170) :

    Well it is quite simple, and I know you know this too.

    The Kings is actually a very good example.

    They are currently trying to build an identity and a culture, part of this includes spending a lot of time developing and keeping local talent they have lost so easily in the past, but also ensure that they can put a team together that will be competitive and for that they also need experience in key positions.

    The one is a short term plan, the other a long term plan, vital however, is that the two plans compliment each other, where the purchase or investment in an older, experienced player does not come at the detriment of the young and local stars on their way up, but actuall enhances or compliment’s it.

    I am still of the opinion that Butch’s role at the Lions as an example is brilliant for Jantjies, and we will see the effect of this in years to come when Butch departs, and Jantjies takes over.

    Same as why so many senior, but perhaps ‘over-the-hill’ players at the Kings, will help mature local, younger talented boys so much quicker because of their involvement and presence, than would have been the case if they had to go it at their own.

  • Comment 172, posted at 13.06.11 10:28:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 79) : Can`t we appeal it? I mean he`s sort of one of us!
    :twisted:

  • Comment 173, posted at 13.06.11 10:37:04 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Chris1985 (Comment 157) : Hier kietsie, kietsie – pieringtjie melk ;-)

  • Comment 174, posted at 13.06.11 10:49:03 by diablo Reply

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  • @diablo (Comment 174) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 175, posted at 14.06.11 15:16:31 by Chris1985 Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 133) : ?? No, Chaz, I stayed at my own house :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 176, posted at 14.06.11 15:35:07 by diablo Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 148) : :grin:

  • Comment 177, posted at 14.06.11 15:59:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 150) : I note with interest this morning that Francois Hougaard, who has played in almost every game this season, is a possible replacement for Januarie. He has only been with the Bulls since 2008 after he made his u/18 debut for WP after. That must be one of the better players that the Bulls “built” :)

    And now the Bulls are looking to build Sadie from the Stormers as well.

    quite the team builders these guys. :razz:

  • Comment 178, posted at 15.06.11 07:24:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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