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Sharks notch up a moral victory… Part II


Written by Sharon van Wyk (Shaz)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 19 Jun 2011 at 16:45
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OK. We’re going to try this one again. Yesterday I made the mistake of writing it in anger and outrage. Now, with the benefit of some cooling down, perhaps I can hit the nail on the head without damaging anything else in the process! Here goes:

Hi. My name’s Sharon and I’m a Sharks supporter. A proud one too. Proud enough to be wearing my match shirt in the land of the Blue Bulls and suffering the slings and arrows of several vitriolic hangovers in the process.

I was there on Saturday, in the thick of it, alongside young War1, as our boys in Black and White outwilled, outwitted and outplayed a team widely expected to grind their bones to dust within the first five minutes of the first half.

And I held my head high as my team, urged on by the incredible support of what felt like an entire nation of fans, won both a literal victory and, more importantly in my book, a moral one. Which is one of the main reasons I love the Sharks more than ever at the moment, because from what I saw on Saturday the Bulls, and some of their supporters, are in need of a major put-down from those who occupy the moral high-ground. And in this in stance, that’s definitely us!

There are a number of things that stand out from Saturday’s game which have caused me to take this particular stance, chief among them being the bite that Deon Stegmann allegedly took out of Keegan Daniel. Whether he will be cited remains to be seen, because if the TV cameras and the ref didn’t see it, then effectively it didn’t happen. But we saw it happen. And irrespective of what transpires, Karma paid the Bulls back tenfold, as was evidenced by the metaphorical chunks of flesh the Sharks had wedged between their pearly-whites as they left Loftus.

Keegan will likely survive, thanks to a tetanus jab, but the holes in his finger are a testament to an attitude bubbling under both on the field and in the stands at Loftus on Saturday, and an ugly one at that. Somewhere in front of us, one rather clever fellow decided to use a potentially dangerous green lazer to try and “blind” Patrick Lambie whenever he lined up for a kick. Pat allerted the ref, an announcement was made over the loudspeakers and whoever it was in the stands elected to stop before security officials could find him/her/it.

Now, take it from one who knows and who mixes with those who know, that such a lazer requires a permit, can travel up to 10km and is capable of causing retinal damage, unlike the harmless red lazers which can be bought over the counter. Which actually, if you think about it, is not just rather unsporting, but actually rather criminal as well.

But what is more shocking for me, and what had me completely frothing at the mouth whenever I thought about it on Sunday, was the fact that in neither instance will the Bulls Union hierarchy likely be taking any action. If Stegmann isn’t cited, he won’t be disciplined, and every Bull official I spoke to after the game said there’s nothing they can do about the lazer incident/s.

Is that so? Well, let’s actually look at this from another angle, rather than the moral highground. If it had been Keegan Daniel biting someone on the field, and if it had been Morne Steyn under attack from lazer wielding Sharks fans, I tend to think that the Bulls top knobs would have had something to say about it. That the Sharks management and team are not saying anything is a measure of their mettle. And a yardstick by which to measure the difference in attitudes between the two unions.

Ladies and gentlefolk of Sharksworld, I used some harsh words yesterday in the original version of this story, and whilst I have done my best to be a little more measured in this version, the bottom line is this: there is no place in professional sport for thuggery, either on the field or of it, and in my humble opinion, when you witness it you must do something about it, whether you are on the dishing out end or on the receiving end. It just does not wash with me that these things should be allowed to slide into the background, unnoticed.

I saw evidence on Saturday that Plum, Reece, Bash and the Boys themselves understand that in professional sport, it’s not about what you do, but rather the manner in which you do it that really counts as a measure of your greatness, both on and off the field. And that’s an ethic which is proudly entrenched at King’s Park and in the hearts and minds of the majority of Sharks supporters.

Loftus Versveld has often made sweeping statements about its proud reputation, its heritage and various accomplishments. And take nothing away from the Bulls, they are an awesome side, even if I do not support them.

But if I were a Bulls player or supporter in the wake of Saturday’s match, I would feel very angry that morons on and off the field effectively sullied that reputation and made a mockery of that pride. There is no place in rugby for what I saw on Saturday. It needs to be stamped out. And quickly. Before someone gets seriously hurt. Players and Unions need to lead by example. And ignoring things in the hope that they go away is not the example which needs to be set.

So. As the Sharks head off to New Zealand this week, I say “thank you” to them, and the Big Ref Upstairs, for Saturday’s miracle and for being fine, upstanding gentlemen in a game which is far too often spoiled by absolute idiots who should know better.



117 Comments

  • Good one Sharon! I just loved it when Bakkies the cowardly thug tried to intimidate Super Pat by takling him in his inimitable manner and Super Pat just laughed at him and dusted himself off and went back to his position – Bakkies looked intimidated from that point on :lol:

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.06.11 16:58:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 1) : Another classic to add to the Super Pat filing cabinet! What a class act! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.06.11 17:01:51 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Apparently no one has been cited. Did you get to speak to Keegan at the dinner? Did he still have teeth marks on his hand?

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.06.11 17:05:13 by war1 Reply
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  • Sharon we cannot paint all the Bulls supporters with the same brush, as an example look at the excellent sportsmanship of Muzi on this site.

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.06.11 17:11:45 by war1 Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 2) : nice one sharrypooooo :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.06.11 17:14:20 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 4) : I think Shaz is wasting her talents by writing such articles of hate. Doesn’t make one much better than the ones you’re accusing.

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.06.11 17:16:05 by Ben Reply
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  • Kaplan said he was going to report it so what happened?

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.06.11 17:16:14 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 7) : There may still be a citing, if he bit him I say throw the book at him. That behaviour has no place in rugby, I would put it in the same category as gouging. If there is no clear evidence then he has to get off.

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.06.11 17:26:03 by war1 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 6) : Look, she does make some good points. Look at how the Bulls have achieved their success over the years and indeed decades. Some of their supporters even had the audacity to blame the ref who did make mistakes but they were both ways and did not influence the result, the players did. Some people think they are entitled to success and you find that many Bulls supporters fall into that category. Fortunately not all of them do. We cannot let these despicable acts mentioned in this article ruin what for us was a great win.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.06.11 17:43:05 by war1 Reply
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  • Just hope they got that idiot that flashed the green laser. Unthinkable that someone could do that to help his team win. Absolutely ridiculous how some supporters behave.

    If Sharon is correct and it can cause serious eye damage, it is a criminal offence.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.06.11 17:55:50 by Puma Reply

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  • Well NO saffa refs in the play offs. We also have one of the worst kiwi refs for our game against Saders. Bryce Lawrence. Now he has cost us a game or two before.

    Refs for our game:

    Bricy Lawrence
    AR 1 – Keith Brown
    AR 2 – Vinny Munro
    TMO – G. Williamson.

    Now how did we land up with a kiwi ref? :???: :cry: We can almost kiss our chances goodbye, with Bryce there.

    The play offs should be neutral refs always. Ridiculous I feel to have a home ref reffing a home team in a play off. For that matter for any game. So against this reffing system.

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.06.11 18:00:45 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 11) : Bricy meant Bryce

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.06.11 18:01:40 by Puma Reply

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  • What shocked me was the fact that fans still boo when an opposing player is about to kick, and in this case, Sharks as well as Bulls supporters were guilty.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.06.11 18:16:12 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 13) : It’s a South African disease. The kickers are not actually phased by it anymore.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.06.11 18:20:14 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 14) : It’s pathetic nonetheless :sad:

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.06.11 18:21:53 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 11) : What’s the point of complaining about the ref?

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.06.11 18:22:04 by war1 Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 13) : It happens in with all supporters from every team in this tourney. Sad it has come to that, but it is here to stay. Not nice at all, but there will always be those kinda supporters from every team.

    The only place I have never heard booing is when we watch Ireland play Boks. The Irish never boo.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.06.11 18:22:52 by Puma Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 9) : You see that’s the problem, only SOME Bulls fans behave like this, burt then again there are a few Sharks supporters who also behaves like animals. Point is this site is WELCOMING to all supporters and ig I was a decent Bulls supporter like Muzi I would not be happy at all reading articles like this.

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.06.11 18:25:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 15) : Yep, I wish there was a way we could stop it. What gets me is the announcement before games at Loftus to ‘keep up our proud tradition of not booing the opposition’ rather just ask people not to boo, because there is no tradition anymore if there was one to begin with.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.06.11 18:25:59 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 16) : Cause he cost us last year.

    Also why a kiwi ref for such a big game? Play offs/semi and finals should be neutral refs buddy. Just like a international.

    I don’t agree with the reffing system the way it is. That we can go over to NZ and find we have a saffa ref for our games during the tourney. Vise versa for the teams coming here having one of their own. It is ridiculous. Bring back the neutral refs. Just feels a lot more fair with a neutral ref.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.06.11 18:26:39 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 20) : very true bro

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.06.11 18:39:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Sharon, I share your pride and solidarity with the Sharks, but I cannot share the sentiments regarding the Bulls or their fans, as beguilingly packaged as it is. :wink:

    I have great respect for what this outgoing bunch of Bulls players has achieved, and I wish them all the best when playing in the Green and Gold. They have done themselves proud in never giving up despite how well we played.

    I also agree with Ben; in my experience all teams have some gems and some rotten eggs. Perhaps the Bulls have a few more than most of the latter, but the Bulls who blog here are good folks, and we should not make them feel unwelcome.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.06.11 18:42:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 20) : I agree the refs should be neutral but complaining will not change anything. The Sharks need to do their homework on how Bryce handles the game and adapt their game accordingly.

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.06.11 18:46:12 by war1 Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 21) : Yes, really feel we against it now with Bryce there. He cost us our first game last year in the S14. Anyhow we just have to watch our discipline and hope we don’t give away too many penalties with him reffing. Would have prefered a NH ref for these play offs/Semi and Finals. That way we have a totally neutral ref.

    @war1 (Comment 23) : Well nothing we can do about it buddy. Bryce will ref our game. Should have been a totally neutral ref.

    Anyhow. Go Sharks. They only leaving Tuesday night. A bit late I think. They had the option to leave tonight straight out of Joburg and not coming back to Durbs. They opted to come back to Durbs first. My feeling they should have left tonight and got their early. They will still be feeling the jetlag come Saturday morning. We only arrive Kiwi time Wednesday night.

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.06.11 19:04:48 by Puma Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 18) : @Big Fish (Comment 22) : I am not in any way tarring and feathering all Bulls supporters with the same brush. I am however taking a stand against thuggery. And believe that it has no place whatsoever in rugby, whether on the field of play or in the stands. And the stance from the Bulls Union is that it cannot be held responsible for its supporter’s behaviour, which whilst legally true does not, in my book, absolve them from taking appropriate action to prevent this type of behaviour happening again.
    Everyone who knows me on this site knows that I respect all points of view and all opinions, even those I don’t necessarily agree with, but at some point one has to take a stand and draw a clear line in the sand. I know some very fine Bulls supporters, and indeed Muzi is a prime example of this, but I also know that those fine supporters are as much against this type of behaviour as I am.
    Sorry guys, but this is how I feel. This is not what sport is about and actions like this need to be treated with firm action not complete apathy.
    :evil:

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.06.11 19:06:01 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 25) : Did you get to speak to Keegan and Pat? Are they ok?

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.06.11 19:11:16 by war1 Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 25) : fighting words shazzy-poo :razz:

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.06.11 19:19:13 by Megatron Reply

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  • My rating of the Sharks players yesterday…

    15 Lambie (9,0) MOM at 15 and last week at 10 ( this kid is something very special)
    14 JPP (9,0) welcome back JP what a brillaint performance, BEST WING IN SA
    13 Stefan (7,5) Oupa stood up and should there is still life in him
    12 Bosman (7,5) last 2 matches has seen him returning to form , keep going
    11 Mvovo (8,0) this young man is just getting better and better, defense has also picked up
    10 Freddy (8,5) small man with huge heart, was always in control of what happened around him
    09 Mcleod (8,0) still a bit slow now and then but much much better
    08 Kanko (8,0) very steady and defended like a trojan
    07 Deysel (8,0) was huge in defense and in hitting the rucks, was one of the reasons the Sharks pack took control
    06 Daniel (8,5) small man yes but how big is his heart? he was all over the place and enough said
    05 Hargreaves (8,0) Also played his heart out and did well against the more illustrious Bulls locks
    04 Mostert (9,0) A giant has arisen, wow how good was this man yesterday? now this is the man we knew was capable of great play
    03 Jannie (8,0) he played a damn fine game considering he had been injured for the past 3 weeks,hard to judge him on the 2 scrum time penalties as there was a bit of illegal scrumming from both props
    02 Bismark (9,0) Now this is the Bissy we know, absolutely huge and played with massive passion, and lineouts were much better
    01 Beast (8,5) stood strong , killed his Bulls counterpart and ran around the field defending as though his life depended on it

    16 Smitty DNP
    17 Herbst (8.0) played around 20 min and stood strong, can only get better
    18 Skeate – hard to judge as he spent very little time on the field
    19 Alberts (8,0) came on for the 2nd half and carried on where Deysel left off
    20 Coetzee also hard to judge as he spent about 9 min on the field but was very visible as he defended and hit rucks
    21 Ludick also to little time to judge, but played his part
    22 Adi also to little time but in the short time he played his part

    I know some will say I am being to generous , but hey my Sharks did me proud :smile:
    As for MOM ? I felt it could have gone to any one of Lambie,Mostert,JPP or Bismark

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.06.11 19:23:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 26) : Yup. Thank goodness. Keegan had a tetanus shot. Pat’s cool. :cool:

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.06.11 19:42:13 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 28) : Mostert should have his surname changed to Monster-t. Massive!

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.06.11 19:43:39 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 29) : Good news. I hope Stegmann does not get away with that, the precedent of previous incidents is quite a lengthy ban. Keegan really does not strike me as someone who would make things like that up. Dare I ask about JPP?

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.06.11 19:50:56 by war1 Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 24) : Didn’t he cost us the game against Waratahs last year? Just imaged him and Pro as a combination.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.06.11 19:59:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • DEAR ALL
    Some of you may be shocked at the veracity of my attack on yesterday’s actions at Loftus. If my words appear over the top and heavy handed and offend any of you, I sincerely apologise, however, I stand behind the sentiments I expressed in my story.
    I do not write anything on hearsay and spoke to several sources at the Bulls after the match to get an idea of what action would be taken against both the errant player in question and the lazer incident. Basically, if Stegmann is not cited, he will not be disciplined. This, I am assured, is the way of the rugby world. If the TV cameras and the ref didn’t see it, it didn’t happen.
    With regards to the doofus with the lazer, the Bulls don’t appear to be taking it seriously at all, and everyone I spoke to just shrugged it off as “one of those things” and beyond their control.
    Again, I am assured that this is a standard response.
    So. My response is not standard, not for me anyway.
    These are not the first incidences like this I have witnessed at Loftus. And perhaps I am biased against the place and SOME of the bad elements who frequent it because I have never witnessed similar behaviour anywhere else (King’s Park, Newlands, Ellis Park…) So these words have, in a sense, been a long time coming. And have in many respects broken all of my own rules.
    Again, for this I apologise. But I find it impossible to remain silent when I see these things happening in front of my own eyes and see others cheering them on. Or apparently condoning them by not taking action.
    I would feel similarly outraged if it had happened to another team. That it happened to my team merely adds fuel to my outrage.
    Where I come from we call it as we see it.
    I trust you can all appreciate that and now move on.
    Shaz
    :cool:

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.06.11 19:59:10 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 33) : fire in the belly Shazzy ;)

    tell it like it is babe.

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.06.11 20:06:48 by Megatron Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 32) : He cost us against the Cheetahs. Our first game. Pro cost us the game against Chiefs. Bryce then reffed us against the Force if I remember correct. Not sure who the ref was against Tahs, cause that ref cost us as well. We should have won all 3 of those games that refs cost us.

    Then some go on how Sharks get away with some calls from refs.. :roll: We had some really bad calls from those refs last year costing us all 3 games.

    Just remember Bryce could not even get to say, pause touch engage proper before our scrum against the Force last year…..hahaha. Had our whole scrum laughing…..hehehe.

    Anyhow we have him again..lol. No laughing matter really. He could cost us but we have him. Just need to keep the discipline.

    He cost us the game a few years back against the Brumbies as well. So yeah, we up against it. Travel, Saders and Bryce..lol.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.06.11 20:11:43 by Puma Reply

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  • Morning all.
    I have calmed down and rewritten this story, because I feel that the valid points I tried to raise yesterday were far too clouded in my anger and outrage. Hence, I have re-raised them, this time hopefully in more measured prose.
    :grin:
    Thanks.
    Shaz

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.06.11 11:43:07 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 36) : :grin:

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 36) : Now this is much better. I agree with you now. Anger doesn’t usually get one far.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.06.11 11:54:54 by Ben Reply
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  • Do you really need a permit for those lasers cause you can buy them in almost every store for like 150,I don’t think you do?

    Anyways,the wannabe bull supporter saw it at the soccer games and that is where he got the idea.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.06.11 12:02:05 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 36) : thanks Shaz :)

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.06.11 12:10:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 1) : That event gave me flashbacks to when Bakkies ruined Andre Pretorius’ knee at the other end of the field a couple of years ago.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.06.11 12:11:19 by King Shark - Kanko at 12! Reply
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  • According to a story elsewhere, Victor was the first person to complain about the laser weilding fool, he was aiming it at all players, not just Lambie. We can take it that the idiot was just trying to ruin it for everyone… I’m sure the laser went in a bunch of supporters eyes as well.

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.06.11 12:12:44 by molly Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 36) :
    Afternoon, feeling better today?

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.06.11 12:16:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 39) : Even the laser pointer you use when you do your presentation for the board can blind a person permanently. A fellow in my physics class nearly got expelled at Tuks after shining one in the lecturer’s eyes, based on a case where a lecturer at another university lost an eye due to a similar type of laser.

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.06.11 12:16:59 by King Shark - Kanko at 12! Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 42) : Luckily it has to be prolonged exposure to do damage.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.06.11 12:17:06 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 36) : No problems Shaz,

    Did wonder what happened to your article. It just disappeared…hehehe. Good to have put it back up.

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.06.11 12:17:31 by Puma Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 39) : the lasers are becoming a huge problem at the Capet Town International Airport with fools shinning them at the cockpits of incoming flights.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.06.11 12:19:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @King Shark – Kanko at 12! (Comment 44) : Yes I know,I just do not think you really need a permit.

    My light sensitive eyes can not even take a weak flash light light without seeing spots for minutes.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.06.11 12:19:21 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 45) : I can’t see how you clamp down on this, the thing is so small and easy to carry in, just have to hope that someone sitting near the fool notices it and gets him escorted out and banned for life.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.06.11 12:19:50 by molly Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : seriously? thats just idiotic.

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : You know what is weird.

    When I were in England about 2008 the problem was already there.
    Can’t our saffas think of anything more creative.

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.06.11 12:21:28 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 49) : Exactly.
    ANd it looks like a pen.

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.06.11 12:23:08 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Yes it looked bad, even the Sharks hater Stransky commented on the tacle and Lambie’s reaction! I watched Bakkies closely after the tackle on Michelak he NEVER tackles the Deysels, Alberts or Mosterts he tackles the small ous like Freddie and Charl what a coward and his rep is going to cost us @ WC!

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.06.11 12:24:01 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 48) : You too! But no, I don’t think you need permits for the entry level lasers and if you are a half decent engineer or physicist you can build a fairly lethal one, provided you can get a sufficient power source (thanks Escom, you may yet save someone from himself).

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.06.11 12:24:04 by King Shark - Kanko at 12! Reply
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  • @King Shark – Kanko at 12! (Comment 44) : Jeez, Sounds serious stuff. Hope they find a way of checking for it at stadiums as supporters come through.

    @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : Unbelievable what some people get up too. That is serious stuff.

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.06.11 12:28:37 by Puma Reply

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  • @King Shark – Kanko at 12! (Comment 54) : Where I lived in the same cluster they arrested a guy for that and then it stopped.

    I think the beginning was “I wonder how far the laser can go?and there goes a plane.dude,did you see the whole wing was green” lol.

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.06.11 12:29:20 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 36) : i read somewhere that Victor Matfield was actually the first of the captains to complain to Kaplan that someone in the crowd was shining a laser in their eyes and apparently Kaplan’s reply was “there’s nothing i can do about it, take it up with the stadium manager”

    the Lambie incident happened after the said exchange. if this is true, then it means the plonker with the laser was not a Bulls supporter but just a lout looking to cause nonsense.

    so there’s no moral victory for the sharks to be derived from saturday’s match as the whole match was fair.

    and it’s quite rich for some Sharks fans to be screaming for fairness when their player’s conduct in the cheetahs game hardly qualifies for fair play.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.06.11 12:35:26 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) :

    I agree with you.

    I was unfortunately at the Sharks vs Chiefs game last year at Kings Park when some spectators were trowing plastic beer cups at the ref and at the kicker. There are always 1 or 2 okes that spoils it for the rest of the crowds.

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.06.11 12:40:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 53) :
    I can’t agree: I have seen Bakkies hit people of various sizes. The prop whose collarbone was damaged in the BIL game was hardly small.

    @Megatron (Comment 57) :
    Fair comment. We won, and I celebrated like mad, but it had nothing to do with being better people: I supported James Small when he played for the Sharks, and I haven’t heard anyone say a good word about him.

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.06.11 12:47:11 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) : Transie,

    None of us are screaming for fairness here, rather about some idiot using a green laser into the eyes of Lambie taking a kick. Also the players eyes. That is unfair to all players. Think any team and their supporters would complain about that.

    If a supporter or whoever he was doing that was doing it in a Aussie stadium he would have been arrested on the spot. Taken away in the wagon and held in the Cop Station and layed with a charge. Here what has happened? Zip, nothing. Cause the supporters sitting around him MUST have seen who it was and could have told the security that was looking for the idiot with the green laser.

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.06.11 12:48:31 by Puma Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) :
    I remember Kaplan mentioning that he couldnt do anything but I think that was regarding the biting and it went along the lines of “I cant do anything about it but will report it after the game” I did not hear him mentioning the stadium manager to Matfield.

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.06.11 12:49:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : i remember that, stephen donald was pelted with those beer cups at the Tank. :roll:

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.06.11 12:49:59 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) :

    I celebrated so much I missed the Stormers/Cheetah’s game completely :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.06.11 12:50:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 62) :

    That was the first time I took my wife(who doesn’t enjoy rugby) to see a live match and I couldn’t have chosen a worse game. It was pissing down with rain, the crowd was unruly and the Sharks lost a really boring game.

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.06.11 12:51:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) : A green laser coming into your eyes is far more serious than a plastic cup coming your way. With the laser you could lose your sight.

    Though none should be tolerated. Supporters behaving like that should be taken about to spend the night in a cell. That would stop them. Also take away their season ticket and NEVER allow them back into the stadium.

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.06.11 12:52:17 by Puma Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : a friend of mine once met James Small at a bar (where else) and said he was a down-to-earth, lekker oke.

    There… :)

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.06.11 12:52:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 60) : I don’t think its easy to notice, the thing is TINY, like cigarette lighter big, and most people were in the stands to watch the game, not the people watching the game, I certainly wouldn’t notice.

    Anyone that was there, did you know about the laser? Or did you only hear about it when you got home and saw replays?

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.06.11 12:53:05 by molly Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 65) : Jeez, can’t get it right this morning…. :oops:

    Meant = Taken away too spend the night in a a cell… :oops:

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.06.11 12:53:21 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 68) : And another typo.. I am getting there slowly….hehehe.

    too = to

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.06.11 12:54:19 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 60) : have you checked the title of this article? :roll:

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.06.11 12:55:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 65) : again, trying to win an argument on the basis of being “less wrong” is always dodgy ground

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.06.11 12:56:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 61) : like i said, i didn’t hear him myself but i have read it reported elsewhere, and hence the veracity of the claim is still in question. re-read my post.

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.06.11 12:58:01 by Megatron Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 67) : Well if someone was sitting next to me using it I sure as hell would have noticed. He/she must have been sitting next to someone, he stadium was full house. So someone must have seen the person use it.

    They need to find a way to check for things like that coming into the stadium. A dectector of sorts. Like they do at the airports. No way can you even go in with a liquid of any sorts in your over night bag. Liquid is detected. So they should find a way to stop a laser getting into the stadium. We can’t be that daft not too.. ;-)

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.06.11 12:59:16 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 73) : just ignore my typos I make the most… :oops:

    dectector = detector

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.06.11 13:00:24 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 65) : so you think the Sharks won a “moral victory”?

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.06.11 13:03:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : Nah, with Transformation. I am not always wrong… :razz:

    Anyhow will log off. Making too much typos while in a teleconference right now. So not concentrating too much.

    Catch up later.

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.06.11 13:03:37 by Puma Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 75) : We just won. Pleased we did.

    You don’t like it we won Transie? …hehehe.

    Will you be wearing your Saders jersey this weekend?…hehe.

    Catch up later bud. Busy right now.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.06.11 13:05:25 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 73) : You’ll probably find they were sitting among friends… and they probably thought it was hilarious :sad:

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.06.11 13:06:27 by molly Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :
    Never met the guy myself, so it could be true.

    Those I know who have met him though (he owns some spots here in CT) don’t have a good word for him.

    Besides the point really – maybe Steggman is a good oke off the field, but its behaviour on the field that’s the question.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.06.11 13:07:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 67) : Molls – just saw Pat was really upset about something. But it was twice. The first time he missed (the guy giving the kicking ring kept walking behind him – I though that pee-ed him off)..

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.06.11 13:15:09 by Ice Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 79) : Derick Kuun, my LEAST favourite, well… him or P3, I can’t decide between the two.

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.06.11 13:22:05 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 81) : JP Nel……. :???:

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.06.11 13:26:04 by Ice Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 77) : yeah start making lame jokes when you sh*t pertinent to say in response :grin:

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.06.11 14:16:49 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 83) : Don’t you think it might be a moral victory because we outplayed and outscored the Bulls at Loftus?

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.06.11 14:48:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 83) : @Puma (Comment 77) : listen – this is a serious request.

    If the two of you have some personal issue that relates to another website, I’d prefer it if you constrained the argument to said website and not carry it on here.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.06.11 14:53:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 84) : that just makes it a victory, finish and klaar.

    We got the win
    We got the log points
    we got the knock-out place
    we got the bragging rights (for now)

    What more do we actually want?

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.06.11 14:54:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : I agree, but I think that’s what Shaz meant when saying we got the Moral victory. That we outclassed the Bulls. Not because we won even though a laser was shined into Lambie’s eyes.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.06.11 14:57:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : what you talking about Willis? :???:

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.06.11 15:14:21 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 84) : where is the “moral” part?

    they came to the Tank and whooped your arses in the first game, could they also claim a “moral” victory?

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.06.11 15:19:20 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 89) : Dude I’m telling you what I think Shaz meant, not saying I think this was a MORAL victory.

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.06.11 15:23:01 by Ben Reply
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  • This article is just stirring. These element are all over and it’s the very small minority that causes all the shit. The Sharks have dumb unruly supporters just like just about any other union. All the teams have player that have brainfarts every now and again and plays dirty.

    I think it’s a total overreaction from Sharon’s part and I’m not sure that any other union would have reacted differently.

    How in the world do you find the culprit in a crowd of 50 000 anyways?

    And how do you know that Stegman wasn’t being taken to task internally?

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.06.11 15:26:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 87) : surely your reading & comprehension skills are better than that…did you miss this part?

    “And I held my head high as my team, urged on by the incredible support of what felt like an entire nation of fans, won both a literal victory and, more importantly in my book, a moral one. Which is one of the main reasons I love the Sharks more than ever at the moment, because from what I saw on Saturday the Bulls, and some of their supporters, are in need of a major put-down from those who occupy the moral high-ground. And in this in stance, that’s definitely us!

    surely you can see the author is CLEARLY talking about 2 types of victories here, a “literal” one where the one team uses its talen, fitness and guile to score more points and a “moral” one which i am not sure how one attains…

    but i guess you sharks fan occupy the “moral high-ground” and can claim whatever you wish. :oops: :razz:

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.06.11 15:27:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 91) : +1

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.06.11 15:28:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 93) : ;-)

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.06.11 15:46:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 92) : Yes literal as in on the scoreboard and Moral as in outclassed the Bulls.

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.06.11 15:50:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 95) :

    Explain your definition of ‘moral’ to me please so I can understand what you said?

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.06.11 15:54:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 95) : come on ben10 :cool:

    i asked you, could the bulls also claim this “moral victory” for klapping the sharks at the tank?

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.06.11 16:04:27 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 95) :
    You are clutching; let it go.

    @Megatron (Comment 92) :
    You made a very valid point earlier on, and a few people have acknowledged that. Now you are just trolling.

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.06.11 16:06:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 98) : Fish is right… don’t try so hard, Meggy… we like you fine just the way you are!

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.06.11 16:15:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 98) : just playing with ben…

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.06.11 16:17:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 96) : @Megatron (Comment 100) : Okay wait never mind, I’m wrong here, sorry. Afrikaans born and bred! :)

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.06.11 16:22:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 92) : Guess my comprehension skills is that bad after all! ;)

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.06.11 16:34:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) : oooh look at you with the assist :D

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.06.11 16:44:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • OK. I’m damned if I do, and I am damned if I don’t. So let’s try and clarify a few things here.
    First of all. I DON’T WRITE ON HEARSAY. Please read. I spoke to people after the match. There will be no discipline on Stegmann if there is no citing. Standard response. Fairly normal. Doesn’t make it right, though.
    Secondly. I SAW THE LAZER HIT PAT IN THE FACE AND ON THE BALL AS HE WAS TRYING TO KICK IT. More than once, in fact. Some people in the stands were pointing and laughing at it. Again, I spoke to people afterwards and the attitude is “nothing to do with us”.
    No. I don’t know that it was a Bulls fan, but that has nothing to do with it. It happened at Loftus, ergo it’s the responsibility of the home union to take action. But this isn’t going to happen. Which I think is wrong. It would be very easy for the Bulls to issue a statement condemning the action. But they won’t.
    As for the biting – yes, our players have done some stupid things and have been suspended too, but does that make it OK?
    The moral victory here is that the Sharks are not jumping up and down baying for blood, but rather rising above the hoo-ha. Perhaps I should have done so too, but I was so incensed by the behaviour I witnessed off and on the field that I felt I had to say something.
    I first said it hard. And was criticised. And saw that I was wrong. So I am now saying it softer. And am being criticised. But I am not going to say I’m wrong this time.
    The point here is that it is incumbent upon everyone in rugby, union, players and fans alike, to take a stand against bad behaviour and lead, as much as possible, by example.
    This sort of garbage belongs in a rubbish bin, not on a rugby field or on the stands of a stadium. And ignoring it, or letting it slide, is just as bad as condoning it.
    I know where I stand in that respect and don’t think I have to explain or elaborate further.
    :cool:

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.06.11 17:06:25 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 91) : See my comment 104. If telling the truth and standing up for what you believe in is stirring, then may I always have the wooden spoon award. :lol:

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.06.11 17:10:35 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • And just so we clear up the issue of morality here… This is my opinion. All of the Sharks players behaved in exemplary fashion on Saturday. Not all of the Bulls players did. Ergo, the Sharks had the moral high ground. And Karma saw to it that they were justly rewarded for it.
    If you don’t agree, that’s your right. Feel free to debate it. But my opinion won’t change.
    :cool:

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.06.11 17:19:30 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 104) : hot-blooded mama! :razz:

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.06.11 17:22:56 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 107) : You have no idea! :lol:

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.06.11 17:27:50 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 106) : that’s how I understood your point and I think if the Sharks had lost I would have gotten mighty upset with these things but they didn’t so I’m :cool:
    Don’t really like get all moral about rugby because unfortunately a lot of unpleasant things and bad ref calls happen on the field and in the stands (ie. some fans really misbehave) and sometimes our players and supporters aren’t that clean either.

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.06.11 17:27:51 by rekinek Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 106) : i may ask you as well – did you see this crossing that was Kaplan’s last call? what do you think?

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.06.11 17:28:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 109) : I’m pretty :cool: about it too, today. Might is right! :mrgreen: Go Sharks! :razz: Black, White and dynamite… (not wishing to infer that anyone should be blown up, of course, because that’d be just wrong!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: !!!)

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.06.11 17:32:37 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 110) : Nope – hard to see from our side (opposite side) and missed the replay. Lot of iffy calls though, favouring both sides.

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.06.11 17:34:45 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 111) : though Keegan dynamiting Sonny – Bill would make for the explosive viewing :mrgreen:

  • Comment 113, posted at 20.06.11 17:34:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 113) : Yeah! :twisted: Indeed it would! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 114, posted at 20.06.11 17:39:36 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 112) : I haven’t watched the thing on tv yet except only this last lineout and frankly I could not see anything so I thought I would ask what people think.
    I found that when I’m watching the game live I do miss a lot of stuff. Though I saw this lineout that was supposed to the Sharks. Kaplan and Lawrence are supposed to be one of our best refs, so difficult to imagine they would combine to have such blunder.

  • Comment 115, posted at 20.06.11 17:39:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 115) : I don’t remember the call… what exactly happened?

  • Comment 116, posted at 20.06.11 17:41:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : this last Bulls lineout Kaplan blown as crossing and awarded penalty to the Sharks. Hooter went and that’s why they started celebrating before the whistle blown. Then I think Mcleod kicked the ball out.

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