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Plenty of confusion about Player 24


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 22 Jun 2011 at 15:41
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The Sharks appear to have flummoxed virtually everybody in the process of finalising their 24-man tour squad. As reported yesterday, the initial confusion centred around the fact that Marcell Coetzee, a member of the Loftus match 22, had been replaced by Jacques Botes without John Plumtree mentioning the fact to the media at the morning press conference.

It has since emerged, though, that another change has been made to the tour party and while the signs may point to it being a last-minute thing, my contention is that it must have been in the works for some time. Jacques-Louis Potgieter, who was not named in the tour squad announced just yesterday morning, is most definitely winging his way to Wellington with the team – we have confirmed this through lots of photographic evidence, including a tweet posted by a member of the squad. Just in case someone is wondering where the info comes from, that is…

We’ve also seen a fair bit of reported unhappiness over the fact that Riaan Swanepoel was ruled ineligible for the tour. We’ve had confirmation from SANZAR that Swanepoel’s request for special dispensation was refused on the basis that the Sharks had an eligible player wo covered all the same positions in Potgieter. This all seems fairly cut-and-dried so far – the Sharks wanted to take Swannie, were told they couldn’t and had to settle on Pottie instead. Except for the fact the Potgieter wasn’t named in the squad, The only backline player outside of the Loftus 22 who was included was Odwa Ndungane and it’s also somewhat coincidental that he’s one of the few players that I haven’t actually seen a photo of so far – in other words, I don’t think Ndungane is on the tour at all. In other words the Sharks wanted to take Swannie, were told they couldn’t and should rather take Potgieter, then added Ndungane to the squad before replacing him with Potgieter at the last minute. Seems a little strange.

This, presumably, wouldn’t come as a surprise to the Sharks coaching staff. I’m pretty sure they know which players are going on tour with them and could accurately convey that squad to the media – at a press conference that they arranged – four hours before their departure. Can anyone really convince me that at the time Ndungane’s name was read out to the press, nobody in the room knew that Potgieter was in fact the guy packing to go on the plane?

Why the subterfuge? And if it was a genuine last-minute switch, why no announcement after the fact to indicate who the REAL Player 24 was? You’ve got to feel for Potgieter here… the guy must feel a little bit like an unwanted afterthought to the tour, good enough to go along, so long as nobody knows he’s there. Except that SANZAR does know that he’s there. I guess it’s just the media who’ve been left in the dark on this one.



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  • They had me fooled….

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.06.11 15:57:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Or could it be a media fault, I mean SS has a commentator that doesn’t even know the player’s names ;) . But seriously I don’t blame Plum for keeping his cards close to his chest, the element of surprise of Lambie @ 15 worked wonders vs Bulls – leave them till late to wonder who our wingers & 15 are going to be :) .

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.06.11 16:01:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • HUH??? :???:

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.06.11 16:02:21 by Ice Reply
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  • a starter at twikkers, and now playing second fiddle to a guy that played VC all year…
    Don’t think JLP is a very hard worker, jumping ship to try and get ‘n starting berth rather than knuckling down and earning one.
    Really liked him when I saw him and dewald potgieter playing a great compulsory friendly for the bulls a few years back, think it was against the Leopards, not sure though.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.06.11 16:02:36 by Ossa Reply

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  • And by the way our boys have safely landed in Wellington, thank you Ross skeate :)

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.06.11 16:03:06 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 2) : no – it’s not a media fault, but your lack of faith in us is noted. :cry:

    Go check the Sharks’ own website.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.06.11 16:08:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • According to Odwa himself he was only having X-Rays done on his hand Yesterday morning or the one before.

    And there has been joyous posts from him to say it is all clear……. so maybe that is the answer. :(

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.06.11 16:09:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Rob I was only teasing that’s why I winked :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.06.11 16:12:38 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • :???:

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.06.11 16:14:48 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : Okay the X-Ray to check his hand was only scheduled for yesterday.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.06.11 16:15:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) : so there’s a pretty good chance he was never going to tour…

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.06.11 16:28:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just a little tomfoolery on behalf of Plum me thinks

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.06.11 16:34:22 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : possibly.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.06.11 16:35:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I’d say ill be suprised to see much if any changes to the match 22/15 that beat the bulls

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.06.11 16:50:04 by franshark Reply
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  • @Ossa:Except from his wayward kicking,I actually don’t think jlp was all that bad.its the first few months into his 3 year contract.lets give the player some slack-not like he wanted to miss those kicks sharks fans.let’s not try and undermine his confidence but rather try and boost it..!
    The one player I actually feel for ,is marcelle coetzee.why isn’t he on tour??

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.06.11 16:55:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 15) : So if Coetzee was selected ahead of Botes, would you feel for Botes? Sorry, Botes has done much more for Sharks rugby over the years, Coetzee is a player for the future, his opportunities will come. Botes has always given his all to the Sharks in a very quiet non-assuming manner, he deserves this spot on the tour. I have nothing against Coetzee, but he is young yet, and his chances will come.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.06.11 17:10:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : I agree. Question, has Coetzee been in the matchday 22, 4 times or more? Perhaps that is why he isn’t going.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.06.11 17:16:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : I agree, actually… I think it was the right call to drop Botes after his match against the Lions, but he’s a stalwart and should always be part of a 24-man squad.

    Tough on Coetzee, but his time will come again soon.

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.06.11 17:17:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : @robdylan (Comment 18) : It is tough on Coetzee, but let’s face it, he has not had all that much game time with the Sharks this season. I love the way he stepped up when given the opportunity, and I firmly believe he is a star for the future.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.06.11 17:26:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) : Been following him from the Vodacom Cup. He’s gonna be a huge star, let me tell you.

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.06.11 17:30:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear:”player x has done much more for sharks rugby over the years,player y is a player for the future.his time will come.”

    Never said I won’t feel sorry for botes or whicever player gets cut from the squad.
    Botes could be added to 24 man touring team-wouldve liked to have seen match 22 that played bulls kept(team cohesion).and then add 2 players to make up touring squad.

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.06.11 17:33:25 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : I just hope he keeps his head up, even though he is not going on this tour, I believe he will be an integral part of our 2011 Currie Cup campaign. With both Kanko and Alberts with the Boks, he may very well be the Sharks regular 8 in the CC.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.06.11 17:34:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 21) : Then there would have been just too many loosies on tour. Makes no sense to take 6 loose forwards in a 24 man squad. One of Marcel or Botes had to drop out, and Marcel is establishing his reputation, Botes’ reputation is already established.

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.06.11 17:36:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 22) : Yes that’s true, for that reason and not that reason alone, I hope Kanko goes to the WC. Let’s also hope he keeps his head on the ground and doesn’t become a Francois Steyn. ;)

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.06.11 17:38:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 24) : Our only real options at 8 are Marcel or Keegan. I suppose Botes will play a few matches at 6 with Keegan at 8, but I think the majority of matches we will see a loose forward combo of 6 – Keegan, 7 – Deysel and 8 – Marcel. Nice combination in my opinion, well balanced in most areas except perhaps not quite a tall enough combination to help shore up the lineouts. Although, Keegan has been superb at times taking ball at the back of the lineout.

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.06.11 17:40:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 25) : That’s well balanced yes.

    In your opinion, which loose trio is the best for the Sharks?

    I’d say this one;

    6. Keegan
    7. Alberts
    8. Kanko

    I think this gives us the perfect balance between weight, speed and work rate. I’m not a real fan of playing Deysel and Alberts together.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.06.11 17:44:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 25) : Actually, I forgot, Botes has played 8 in the past and is actually quite good.

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.06.11 17:45:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear: valid point on the balance of the squad,and acknowledged.
    What has become of lambert groenewald?another one of the talented young loosies (someome on the blog referred to him as a juan smith type player-he played vs blues from the bench,few mins)?

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.06.11 17:45:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 26) : I completely agree, that is our best combination. For some reason Alberts has not been all that good when played at 8, although he was superb at 8 for the Lions. I think he is better suited to 7 as I would like just a bit more pace from my 6 and 8. I don’t like playing Deysel and Alberts together unless Alberts finds his form at 8 like he did with the Lions, but I would still be concerned with his lack of pace at 8. Deysel can legitimately play any of the three loosie positions, so he makes an excellent bench option in my opinion.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.06.11 17:48:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) : I wish I could answer that, but I have seen very little of Groenewald.

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.06.11 17:49:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • And then there is also francois kleynhans that has been spoken of quite highly.
    Anyone know where jaco otto [email protected]:any news on jaco otto?is he still playing club rugby in dbn?

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.06.11 17:50:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) : And not only is Deysel a great bench option but you know for sure he will make a huge impact when coming on.

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.06.11 17:51:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) : he’s been chucked, mate…

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.06.11 17:51:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 31) : yes – Jaco is still playing club rugby for Old Boys… not contracted by the Sharks

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.06.11 17:52:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : I love Jaco’s surname! :wink:

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.06.11 17:53:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 32) : Spot on. On the topic of Deysel, I wonder if you noticed this or if I am missing something, but since Deysel’s return from injury, he has had a tendency to crab across the field, does not seem to take the ball up as strongly as he used to. He does not have the pace of a Kanko that can make something like that work, I believe he needs to just concentrate on moving the ball up the field when he gets it and stop trying to find space by running sideways. Maybe I missed something though, and certainly this was never a problem for him in the past.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.06.11 17:56:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan: I wouldve really liked to have seen him get some sort of exposure with vc team.really enjoyed his style of play.but he is still a youngster ( 22 this year,right?).

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.06.11 18:00:13 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 36) : Haven’t really noticed that. If I’m not mistaken Deysel is our slowest loosie. Another reason I’d rather start with Alberts.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.06.11 18:00:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear: deysel head-on is a fearsome prospect to tackle..! Deysel side-on is a much easier target(though I won’t be putting forward my name to prove the theory ..! :-D )

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.06.11 18:04:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 39) : have you noticed him moving sideways after the injury more than he did before or am I just nuts?

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.06.11 18:07:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 38) : At this point in time, Alberts is head and shoulders above Deysel as a ball carrier, he never goes sideways or backwards. I have to admit I am surprised that Deysel is slower than Alberts, especially since Deysel has been good at times playing opensider.

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.06.11 18:12:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear: acually no,but I haven’t seen to many flyhalves run-over if memory serves me right-might be.could also be that in last weekend’s game,the bulls had their tacklers set to defend his usual running line( dewald,dean greyling in your running line_with hougi lurking_ is maybe asking for a turn-over to opp)

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.06.11 18:14:35 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear: acually no,but I haven’t seen to many flyhalves run-over if memory serves me right-might be.could also be that in last weekend’s game,the bulls had their tacklers set to defend his usual running line( dewald,dean greyling in your running line_with hougi and stegmann lurking_ is maybe asking for a turn-over to opp)

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.06.11 18:14:50 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 43) : There is something not right, he is certainly not up to his superb standards prior to the injury.

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.06.11 18:18:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : I’m not really suprised Deysel is slower than Alberts. Have seen them both in person and I’ll tell you Deysel has got one huge upper body that those legs of his need to carry around.

    Something I have noticed this season is Beast is running sideways a lot instead of just driving forward, have you noticed this or has he always been doing this?

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.06.11 18:19:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : I have been noticing Beast crabbing a fair bit, you’re right, he definitely used to do much less of that. Is Deysel’s upper body really that much bigger than Alberts?

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.06.11 18:23:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 46) : Not a HUGE difference but believe me, Deysel is massive. Deysel’s body to legs ratio is much bigger than Alberts. Know what I mean?

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.06.11 18:30:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 47) : I have no doubt that Deysel is massive, but Alberts seems even bigger to me. I understand the ratio thing, but is that because Alberts legs are larger rather than Deysel’s upper body being larger? As big as Deysel is, I just can’t imagine him being bigger than Alberts.

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.06.11 18:36:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) : Hard to explain. Maybe Deysel just looks bigger because he is all muscle and it stands out, where with Alberts its all meat and not a for off Muscles in your face like with Deysel. Deysel’s arms is certainly bigger than Alberts’. Upper body – Hard to say really. In a simply put manner, Deysel is more buff than Alberts. Isn’t Albert a tad taller than Deysel?

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.06.11 18:47:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) : I am fairly certain that Alberts is quite a bit taller than Deysel. I see your point, and would tend to agree that Deysel is more toned, ala Pierre Spies whereas Alberts is sort of a throwback to an earlier time, when hard boere and miners played the game.

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.06.11 18:52:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : Deysel is built like a brick shithouse… man, but that boy is defined.

    He’s a good 6-7 kgs lighter than Vic, though. Vic is just raw bulk.

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.06.11 19:02:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : Glad we are on the same page. ;)

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.06.11 19:02:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : that might also just be because Mark Steele has been working on/with Deysel for longer. You mustn’t forget the utterly atrocious state Vic was in when we got him from the Lions

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  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : Brick shithouse! Lol :)

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.06.11 19:05:44 by Ben Reply
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  • England have won their Semi final.

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.06.11 19:37:19 by Ben Reply
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  • Full Time

    England 33 – 18 France

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.06.11 19:38:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Given that, why was he such a success at 8 for the Lions, but has been somewhat less successful whenever playing 8 for the Sharks?

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.06.11 20:25:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Can the aussies cause the upset and beat the baby abs?actually I don’t hope so.

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.06.11 21:21:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • Why are the sharks stopping in wellington :?:

    Can it be for plumtree wanting to speak with nonu :shock: :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.06.11 21:34:58 by BR Reply
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  • Why are the sharks stopping in wellington :?:

    Can it be for plumtree wanting to speak with nonu :shock:
    :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.06.11 21:36:26 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 60) : Lol

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.06.11 21:42:45 by Ben Reply
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  • Full Time

    NZ 37 – 7 Aus

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  • The Future of Wales Rugby looks pretty horrible. They lost to NZ 92-0 and today they lost to Fiji.

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.06.11 21:52:37 by Ben Reply
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  • SA saved their best for last. A little late now I’d say.

    Full Time

    SA 57 – 15 Ireland

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.06.11 21:59:49 by Ben Reply
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  • even though Nonu is one of the best centers around and I rate him quite high :!: :!:

    It would be like buying a yellow card :evil:

    if we want to buy a center why not buy a young one

    It feels like the sharks always buy the hasbeens(Nonu is still good but he’s not getting younger, he must be close to retireing) :|

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.06.11 21:59:51 by BR Reply
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  • @BR: if I were the sharks,I’d try and get frans steyn back to the tank ,and show some confidence in the youngsters.andries strauss was in the system since 2006 but only really received his chance in last year’s cc campaign.he himself said that playing regularly helped him gain confidence.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.06.11 01:56:04 by bergshark Reply

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  • @BR: but if you were a coach of any team and you could get nonu’s services,would you honestly say no?

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.06.11 01:57:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • Well it is a little bit late for the baby boks :-(

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.06.11 01:59:08 by bergshark Reply

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  • Maybe we need to let these youn centres work with powerlifters and mma coaches-quite a few gyms into the mma scene.get them bigger but more importantly,stronger and harder,tougher.

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.06.11 02:01:44 by bergshark Reply

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  • @BR: if you are a young centre,I’d think you need to go join a mma gym to toughen you up,work on cardio ,and a power lifting gym (not the virgin active type gyms,but the hard-core gyms-just don’t get invlolved with any steriods!),to get bigger and stronger.

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.06.11 02:05:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • U guys seen that funny guys on reunion, so glad they went with saders prediction, they last week said bulls are gonna win, and we all know how that turned out :)

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.06.11 06:32:00 by franshark Reply
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  • Actually they went with both NZ teams, not much of a surprise there ;) , still say if the warathas win there will be no NZ team in the semi’s :)

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