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Mostert linked with Stade Francais switch


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 25 Jun 2011 at 12:00
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Sharks lock Gerhard Mostert – one of the real heroes of their campaign over the last few weeks – has appeared on the French Top 14′s inbound transfer list for next season. People reading this list may well assume that the big second-rower has indeed committed to joining Stade Francais ahead of the new European season.

Before Sharks fans run off to find their nearest cliff or high-rise building, though, we need to look at the facts of this matter as I currently have them. I was tipped off to this development last weekend and have been working through my list of contacts to try and figure out what is actually happening. The obligatory email to the man at the Sharks who could actually give us the truth was, of course, not answered, but let me share what I have been able to ascertain so far.

The first fact is that Stade Francais have made Mostert an attractive offer. My information, though, is that he has yet to decide whether to accept this offer and will think about it and make a decision in the coming weeks. The inclusion of his name on the transfer list is, at this stage, completely premature, but those who follow the French scene will know that this is hardly uncommon behaviour. The guys up that way like to confirm signings in the press the moment an offer has been issued, regardless of whether the player has actually signed anything.

Fact number 2 is that with Steven Sykes committed to his Ireland move, the Sharks simply cannot afford to let Mostert leave. They know this and are prepared to make it worth his while to stay. Note also that both Sykes and Mostert are contracted to the Sharks until 31 October this year and would need an early release in order to head up North. Neither has yet been given this release and if the Sharks want to be petty about this, they can still prevent both players leaving until after the Currie Cup. That would, of course, be a short-sighted approach, because I feel the best result would be for them to convince Mostert to stay on for the next few years, rather than forcing him to stick around for a few months before losing him anyway.

Sykes is committed to going to Ireland and will leave no matter what, since he sees an international future in the slightly-lighter shade of green that he doesn’t see with the Springboks. Mostert, though, still has a very strong desire to represent the Springboks and with a dearth of quality options at tight lock on the local scene once the Bok incumbents leave after the World Cup, I feel that the big Sharks man might just shoot himself in the foot if he decides to leave now. That simply HAS to be a factor weighing on his mind.

Perhaps the biggest obstacle to this move, though, is the perilous state of Stade Francais’ finances. The big Paris club is, to all intents and purposes, bankrupt and needs to come up with something like €6 Million before Tuesday, or risk being placed into administration and immediately relegated to the third division. This is the result of a potentially life-saving sponsorship deal from a Canadian charity turning out to be bogus. Whatever the case, Mostert may well find that if he does go to France now, he could end up playing bargain basement rugby for a bankrupt club that is unable to actually pay the fantastic salary it offered him.

All-in-all, this one is FAR from cut-and-dried and I would urge Sharks fans to stay positive about this one. I feel that all the signs point to Mossie staying in Durban, hopefully for many years to come. Hands off, Frenchies! The big unit is going NOWHERE!



73 Comments

  • I hope you are right Robbo..

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.06.11 12:04:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Canadian charity lol

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.06.11 12:05:33 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Lovely news on such a sad day. Hope he stays, certainly makes far more sense for him to stay.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.06.11 12:06:21 by Ben Reply
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  • Mostert will be a big loss..

    And the Sharks will suddenly be extremely short on experience in the second row, should this deal go through..

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.06.11 12:07:09 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : It would be a disaster. Sharks need to do everything they can to hold on to him.

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.06.11 12:09:46 by Ben Reply
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  • I think its bogus. Mossie to stay in Durbz.

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.06.11 12:12:34 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • The sharks better hang on to mostert other than skeet..bresler who i sadly do not rate having nothing coming throught except for the marais brothers who in my honest opinion are two seasons away from being ready for senior rugby :mrgreen:

    The bulls are 2 quality locks short…after juandre kruger…flip we have nothing to gloat about fudge is just tooooo small for lock..cornell hess is better but i have my doubts about him making the step up.

    Me thinks we have to target eben etsebeth….anton van zyl..or one of the young lions sa uder 20 representatives david bullbring…and maybe venter :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.06.11 12:18:07 by Muzi Reply

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  • Mostert can’t leave!!! he has been my favourite lock since he signed. I already liked him when he was at the Lions. If he does leave we don’t have much option; we have to buy a number 4 lock as Bresler will be our top quality 4 left at The Sharks.

    Have said it before; Francois Uys from The Cheetahs i feel is a good option if needed. Solid Player he is.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.06.11 12:18:58 by JJR Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : Seems Anton van Zyl is on his way to France as well.

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.06.11 12:19:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : Bresler is sick man!! His clearing out at the breakdowns and workrate is awesome. He also carries the ball well. In My opinion Mossie and Bresler are out two best/Talented Locks at The Sharks.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.06.11 12:22:03 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 10) : I agree. But I don’t think Bresler is an “enforcing” lock like Sykes and Mostert.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.06.11 12:24:25 by Ben Reply
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  • This is bad news as a Sharks fan but good news as a Stade fan. However, I am a Shark first and foremost and would be gutted to lose Mostert. He is only now regaining his best form.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.06.11 12:24:45 by lostfish Reply
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  • We can all forget about poaching wilhelm steenkamp…or francois uys from the cheetahs…we all know how mr herold is :evil: and with puma and toyota on board the cash is flowing in free state.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.06.11 12:25:23 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : I Agree on Eben Etzebeth; but he is not a 4; we could possible be losing 2 number 4′s. Van Zyl…a second rate number 5 lock once again.
    Our best option would be Francois Uys or Francois Carl Van der Merwe from racing Metro.

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.06.11 12:25:28 by JJR Reply
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  • South Africa is short of young and up coming enforcers at the moment.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.06.11 12:26:32 by Muzi Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 14) : Herold will take you to court over uys that man is something else :roll:

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.06.11 12:27:40 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 11) : Maybe not just yet; but he still has time to grow into that role. At The lions Mostert was more of a lineout lock than an enforcer; and look at how well he is doing “enforcing” now.

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.06.11 12:28:01 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 17) : The thing is he must decide now which role he wants to play. Bresler that is. If he want to be a “enforcer” he needs to bulk up.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.06.11 12:29:44 by Ben Reply
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  • Actually hope we get Nonu to The Sharks; will give us a lot more stability and confidence with him at 12. Bosman; great passer and good tackling technique; other than that he does not do too much. Obviously Stef must book out now.

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.06.11 12:30:01 by JJR Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 15) : Elstadt…

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.06.11 12:31:10 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 11) : you’d be surprised… Bresler can play the number 4 role if asked. He’s in the Johann Muller hybrid category

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.06.11 12:31:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • But luckily we have a guy like Alberts who can cover that spot if need be.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.06.11 12:31:39 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 18) : He can probably gain 2-4 more kg; but i don’t think that is the problem. I know he has the ability to be an enforcer; at u/21 level he played that type of role; he was very effective.

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.06.11 12:33:00 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) : Indeed; but Alberts really hates it, just look at his face everytime he is told to move to lock; his face tells the Story.

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.06.11 12:34:39 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : @JJR (Comment 23) : Okay maybe its just me, just looks a little too light to play the no4 role.

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.06.11 12:34:51 by Ben Reply
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  • I wouldn’t write Bresler off until you’ve seen more of him…

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.06.11 12:39:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Agree; Bresler can do it….in my opinion.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.06.11 12:40:42 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 27) : I think you’ve seen more of him than most here too…

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.06.11 12:41:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 16) : Muzi, I quite liked the WP u.21 locks from 2010, Reniel Hugo and Quinn Roux. Quinn was great at the junior level but he’ll have to work hard to be on par with van Zyl at this next level.

    Ruan Venter was one of the best SBR players last year. The Lions did extremely well to hold onto him.

    I also think a guy worth keeping an eye on is Schalk, Wikus’s brother carefully. I think he’s got the makings of a Bok player in about 4-5 years time.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.06.11 12:42:27 by beet Reply
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  • check out Brendan Nel’s version…. very similar to mine.

    here

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.06.11 12:44:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : I think we need to celebrate each time a French Club hits hard times.

    I thought the French rugby union was putting measures like salary caps and % homegrown players in teams in place to prevent clubs from overspending and to develop their own youngsters?

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.06.11 12:48:41 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 29) : Why don’t The Sharks give you the Cheque Book? :smile:

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.06.11 12:49:48 by JJR Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 31) : French rugby is on the decline… I think there’s a wee bit of agent game-playing here

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.06.11 12:51:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 29) : Schalk van heerden is the best junior lock we have at the moment…do not be surprised if he plays currie cup rugby for the bulls soon if we run out of lock options….our under 19 and 2009 sa under 18 junior lock star gerno eksteen who had a bad injury last year was ahead of etsebeth in the 2009 high performance squad he is fully fit now :grin: him and van heerden are the ones to look out for in the future…wp are bound to lose some really good young locks where will they fir in quinn roux…hugo..elstard..and the rest ?

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.06.11 12:52:36 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 31) : J-J Breedt the fast blue bulls under 19 lock is seen as a potential loose forward at loftus he is too short for lock but he has gas to burn i saw him this year in the varsity cup play he was damn good….he ran at 8thman for the bulls unde 21 side in a warm up match this week.

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.06.11 12:54:56 by Muzi Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : French rugby is run like english football..they have money to burn on foreign players that is why their junior players are struggling to make the step up….

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.06.11 12:56:26 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 35) : Ja I was surprised to see JJ still listed as a lock.

    This is a common issue when players make the transition from school to u21 level.

    We have the same issue with Alwyn Jv Vuuren in our u19 set up this year. He came within a whisker of making SA Schools as a lock but I can see that he’s going to be too short to stay at lock for u21 level.

    I managed to chat to Allan Dell’s old man at the Pumas game and he said Alwyn like these other youngsters (I think GCB’s Cobus Nel at WP will be another one with height issues) has to work on his speed with the intention of making the full time switch. Breedt will have to do the same thing.

    BTW Dell, a brilliant TH as you know, is now being forced to play LH. Very sad imho but that’s where our needs lie as Rob said to me

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.06.11 13:02:28 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 36) : sounds a bit like a rugby team I know…

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.06.11 13:02:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 37) : I don’t think they’ve necessarily decided that he’ll only play 1… I think they’ll look at starting him at 3 then moving him to one later when they bring van Dyk on.

    Might be a good indication that Tally is earmarked for the captaincy.

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.06.11 13:04:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 37) : Sharks have dropped the ball, though, by neglecting to bring any looseheads into the junior ranks. As far as I know, the only decent 1 we have in our ranks is Jabu Mkhize

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.06.11 13:05:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : I actually mentioned my surprise that he wasn’t captain to his dad. That’s how I heard about Jafta being bumped up a level. Sad coz I think Jafta staying in u19 is important for team success.

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.06.11 13:12:34 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Johan de Goede and De Wet Bergh were at the sharks academy but now they have bulls under 21 contracts

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.06.11 13:20:17 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 41) : I reckon there’s very little chance of either Jafts or Jordaan playing under 19, TBH.

    The way Big Ears runs that ship, it’s dog eat dog and every coach fighting for his own job every week.

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.06.11 13:22:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 41) : The bulls in my honest opinion rushed cj stander :cry: he looked so damn brilliant for the under 19s…but i remember when he was pushed to the under 21 side he looked a bit lost and nervous i hope stander stays with the uder 21′s it’s crucial that he comes through te ranks nicely….

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.06.11 13:22:41 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 42) : add that to the veritable conveyor-belt of Sharks juniors being offered contracts at Tukkies and you spot a worrying trend. Plumtree and Dolf might not rate what the Academy is developing, but Heyneke Meyer certainly does.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.06.11 13:26:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 41) : who do you see playing 7 for u21s if not Jaftha? Stander?

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.06.11 13:27:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 42) : Muzi, De Goede was Heimar’s old Affies partner. I thought he was at the Bulls all along?

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.06.11 13:28:27 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 41) : At the bulls we have a few young talented props who can be bok material….that ex paarl gimnasium prop rossouw de klerk is damn good toks van der linde and a few commentators rate the kid very highly morne mallet who played in the 2009 junior under 20 world cup is highly rated by heynek meyer he is tall and strong in the scrums…..stefan pretorius from grey college is another with bags of potential then last but not least the current sa under 20 number 1 juan schoeman is another who is very impressive…forget corne fourie and frik kirsten they are sadly regressing :cry: Neethling fouche from grey college and affies prop pierre schoeman will form a formidable front row for the bulls under 19 next year.

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.06.11 13:30:45 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 47) : oh k thanks i am still :evil: about heimar williams but it was between him and francois venter :???: still irritated losing heimar i believe venter at 13 and heimar at 12 would have worked well for the bulls i do not rate moolman at all

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.06.11 13:33:24 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 44) : All I know is when I saw CJ play for Oakdale and then at Craven Week, I thought this kid is definitely going to be a Bok. He was so good.
    Do you think size has anything to do with it. At school he was big and more powerful than his peers. Now he looks smaller and is not a tower of strength by any stretch of the imagination?

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.06.11 13:34:07 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Wesley dunlop…that lock forgot his name..de bruyn at 9 i think what is up with the sharks academt these days :???:

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.06.11 13:35:07 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 50) : It’s size you are spot eventhough he has put on an extra kg but he has lost that speed he had me thinks he will be running at 7 in future and arno at 8 for the under 21′s

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.06.11 13:37:04 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 51) : Nqubeko Zulu. Also got centre Arno van Zyl. A few more will go ahead of next year

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.06.11 13:37:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • you okes are awesome… can turn any thread into a discussion about junior rugby :)

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.06.11 13:39:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Heyneke Meyer is changing the recruitment policy abit i heard he will fully concentrate in getting players for the bulls through tukkies that is why if you are a talented under 18 player it will be hard to turn down a chance to join the bulls varsity rugby and that new under 20 comp will surely get hans scriba :evil:

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.06.11 13:42:27 by Muzi Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) : Rob elsewhere Muzi gets asked if he’s a scout or a selector.

    I must say here at SW he’s a little more modest about the Bulls. Earlier this year when Theron was holding trials for the u20s, it came across that the best Sharks player was just-just good enough to warm the Bulls junior team bench.

    I’m happy that he’s seeing the light. At this progress rate we’ll soon turn him into a full blown Sharks fan. :razz:

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.06.11 13:43:25 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) : We nearly had ungerer it was a smart move to play him in your junior under 19 side last year ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.06.11 13:43:38 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 56) : :mrgreen: yea yea look i rate piet lindeque…moolman has no creativity aonther jp nel in the making..skosan kak your big junior wing from hilton who injured his knee would walk over skosan….abit jealous about jordaan :mrgreen: damn fine player..

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.06.11 13:46:58 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 57) : With all but 2 of our schools season now completed, there is opportunity for the Sharks to promote a few players to u19 ahead of the rest of the country. I think the Westville centre stands a good chance of being fast tracked.

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.06.11 13:48:45 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 56) : The sharks under 18 side is playing the bulls under 18 side in that bondedag comp this weekend..watch out for the bulls in this years craven week tournament it’s an all out waterkloof team bloody talented kloffies players in that team.

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.06.11 13:49:20 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 59) : I watched fisher at kes beet he had 3 defenders on him well marked but he looked class..the full back payi and outside centre from dhs were very impressive…

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.06.11 13:51:05 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 61) : That DHS fullback is special. He’s a bit small so I’m a bit iffy about what will happen to him after school. I would love Paul Treu to pick him up. His sidestep is off the chart. Definitely the most exciting schoolboy player we have in the KZN system, not just this year, last year as well.
    I actually want to send the coach a message to remind him not to get overconfident at C/W again like last year.

    I think he has an outside shot at SA Schools but Sean Robinson is a class act and Tim Swiel as well. The Dale and Selborne no.15s also impressed me much.

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.06.11 13:55:37 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 61) : I have to go but if you come across the WP, Lions and FS u19 teams please post them.

    WP will be good and it will be interesting to see how FS fills the gaps in midfield and the 2nd row, otherwise they should have a good starting lineup as well. Lions could be a surprise package. They let Meecham from their main feeder school slip thru, so they must be happy with they’ve got

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.06.11 14:01:01 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 62) : I do not know why swile is playing flyhalf…pollard is not that bad at 10 another who has that bulls junior contract :mrgreen: but we know it;s him or stander not both…sean robinson is damn quick it;s very refreshing to see a pretoria school like waterkloof play total running rugby its a’joy to watch kloffies play the interlinking play between forwards and backs is unlike bulls rugby

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.06.11 14:03:28 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 63) : Sweet later beet..

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.06.11 14:04:07 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 56) : Jake Whaite made a similar comment once about Ireland…… :lol:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Not writing him off at all. Actually quite the opposite. I think he’s a great talent.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.06.11 14:43:29 by Ben Reply
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  • JJR: snap!I also said @beet must get the sharks cheque book and sign players BUT will plum and straeuli give those youngsters any more opportunities than they have given those in the juniors since plum took over (cc2008)?

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.06.11 15:47:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • Another question: would hawies venter and naka drotske perhaps not have done better with the talent at the sharks disposal(all age groups and senior,plus club) than plum,bashford and hre have done?

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.06.11 15:50:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet:@muzi: who do you rate as the best schools coach?

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.06.11 15:51:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • All sentiment towards the Sharks is on a low at the moment. So I will look at this objectively. Rugby is professional. If Mostert gets a better offer and wants it, take it. If the Sharks want him they’ll pay him what he is worth. Rugby players at most get 10 good years of rugby in, they have to set up their future in those years. So whether it is the pride option of the green and gold with a two year top up at the end overseas, or a extended overseas stint, the player must do what the player must do. And if the Sharks expect to do well, then they must do what they can to retain the players they have.

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.06.11 08:38:11 by waje Reply

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  • In that le figaro article they have mostert listed as being 1.99m and 112 kg-about 10kg less than he actually weighs.(Must have his first team high school stats).

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