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Mossie gets Bok call… but is it too late?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 11 Jul 2011 at 15:34
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Gerhard Mostert has been called up to the Springbok squad as cover for the injured Johann Muller in a move that might just cause him to curse the decision to sign for Stade Francais.

According to a SARU press release, both Mostert and CJ van der Linde have been called up to join the Tri-Nations squad as they prepare in Johannesburg, with van der Linde himself needing to be cleared of the troublesome groin injury that has hampered his participation thus far. Should Muller, who injured a hamstring in training last week, be forced to sit out the tour, Mostert will travel in his place.

Sharksworld reported last week that Mostert has just put pen to paper with the French club side on a two-year deal that will see him leave the Sharks with immediate effect. Part of the thinking behind that move, though, was Mostert’s believe that he was not currently in the Bok frame. I wonder if it isn’t at all possible that he might now look for ways to stay in the country and fight to cement his place in the Bok side post World Cup.



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  • How long did Mossie sign for Rob? Shot himself in the foot. That’s what he did!

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.07.11 15:41:21 by Ben Reply
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  • Oh I hope so but how will he get out of the deal? Unless Stade’s contracts are similar to those from the Lions

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.07.11 15:42:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Never mind. 2 years I see! :lol:

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.07.11 15:42:53 by Ben Reply
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  • He was only ever called up cos Elstadt is injured!!

    Wela kapela!! :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.07.11 15:52:22 by wpw Reply
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  • Rob,

    I just posted something similar on keo. What a great shame he has signed to play overseas. This could have been the door open to him finally to play for the Boks. I fear though with him playing overseas this will be his only time with Boks. Unless he plays exceptional.

    He was outstanding against the Bulls. Once again a pity he has signed to play overseas. Also a pity we have lost him from the Sharks.

    Anyhow well done Mostert. Deserves this chance.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.07.11 15:58:05 by Puma Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : :razz:

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.07.11 15:58:37 by Puma Reply

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  • It would make no difference really if you as me.

    Players rested, players injured both in and outside the squad and only THEN does he get the call.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.07.11 16:10:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : You have a good point there. Then again if he plays brilliant on this away leg, who knows he may just cemment a place in the Bok squad for wc.

    One has to take the chance with both hands when finally getting a chance to play for Boks. Now that he has signed to play for Stade, doubt he will play any further part with the Bok Team after this away leg. Unless he has a absolute blinder down under and we can get him out of that contract. Which I doubt we will.

    He must be kicking himself for signing so quick. Should have waited until after the 3Nations. One never knows if players pick up injuries there.

    Anyhow feel great for him that he has been called up. But also frustated that he signed with Stade.

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.07.11 16:18:24 by Puma Reply

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  • Fcuk you very much PDivvy! Obviously the guy decided to go to France when you excluded him from your 50 men squad. PDivvy has sometging against the Sharks…how many more players must we lose because of his bullshit?!

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.07.11 16:18:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.07.11 16:22:48 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Well done Mostert, hope you play like you did against the Bulls!

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.07.11 16:29:47 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 9) : Of all the various topics you could choose from to legitimately criticize Peter de Villiers on you go and pick something completely invalid :???:

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.07.11 16:42:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : Agreed, I wasn’t going to say anything but as a Shark Supporter you should be happy if one of our players gets choosen to represent the Boks. Besides your reasoning is obscured because Mostert wasn’t going to play for us anyway! And using your line of thinking De Villiers must have it in for the Bulls and Stormers as well because so many of his players have been selected from those teams… really stupid people annoy me!!! :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.07.11 16:46:21 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 13) : Oh that comment was directed at comment 9 not 12 ;-)

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.07.11 16:47:31 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • All that was going through his mind when he signed for Stade Francais was…money,money and more money. The move makes no sense in terms of his career and reaching the Heights that all SA players want to achieve, which obviously is to play for The Boks. Good call up though for the Boks; mossie and muller and actually quite similar in most aspects of their play.

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.07.11 16:52:20 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 15) : Do you happen to know how old this guy is?

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.07.11 16:53:30 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 15) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 16) : Ok nevermind, he’s 26, and at 26 years he would/should be reaching his prime! Steven Sykes has gone and he has virtually been guaranted the Sharks No4 jersey! With several Bok players retiring at the end of this year what was he thinking?! He has blown his chance at Bok glory even before it has been given to him! He can put in a superman performance down under and still nohting will change… I feel sorry for the poor guy… no wait actually I don’t! Stupidity doesn’t deserve sympathy!

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.07.11 16:58:22 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 16) : Who Mossie? He is like 26 years. Born 1984.

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.07.11 17:00:27 by JJR Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 17) : Agree; his dicision to walk away from The Sharks and The possible Bok Team after the WC is really Stupid, to be honest. Maybe he just plays for money…it seems that might be the case no matter what he says.

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.07.11 17:02:44 by JJR Reply
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  • On a different note.
    How difficult will the FL be?

    As always I was over eager now I`m stuck with guys who`ll either be with the bokke due to late call ups or injured.

    Downhill from here :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.07.11 17:03:38 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 13) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 14) : Wow, you should rename yourself “the greatest Sharks Sharkie brain that walked the Planet” or something to that effect. This is a blog, no need to get super personal.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.07.11 17:09:56 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : Do bear in mind the clear out that will take place after the World Cup – Bakkies and Danie will presumably move on, Sykes has moved off to Ireland (bad move on his part in my opinion too – he made the bench in a British & Irish Lions match, Divvy would have considered him), van Zyl’s in his 30s – it would be a straight shoot between him and Flip van der Merwe for the Number 4 jersey, a fight that I reckon Gerhard would win. Brad Barritt also timed his move badly like this – he hasn’t yet played in a (real) English jersey and I think he would have been deputising for Jean de Villiers by now. As they say though, if my aunt had balls…

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.07.11 17:10:46 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 22) : In my opinion there is a big difference between Barritt and Mostert. Barritt had cemented the 12 jersey for himself at the Sharks, and had a couple of years of SupeRugby and Currie Cup experience, and even with all that he was getting no look in with the Boks. Mostert has not started all that many SupeRugby matches, and not many CC matches either, he had not even cemented his position with the Sharks yet, and seemed to be moving up. Barritt gave himself a couple of years to get into the Bok frame, Mostert gave himself 3 weeks and when not selected buggered off to Europe. Big difference in my opinion.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.07.11 17:16:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) : howwwwZIT

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.07.11 17:26:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) : I agree, just saying the timing worked out badly in both cases.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.07.11 17:28:17 by MerckZ Reply

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  • Are we that thin on lock, well he is the best of the rest

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.07.11 17:28:41 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 21) : Ok I’ll tone it down a little. :cool:

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.07.11 17:42:52 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) : Perhaps. But I still think Barrit should have waited behind in South Africa for just one more season. Remember that a change in coaches could have brought him the chance he wanted. He could have very well been backup for Jean De Villiers right now and might of even starting a couple of times in 2009 when De Villiers when North. Just goes to show that sometimes you have to hang on just a little longer than you think you should – Barrit is now a Bok-should-have-been and I am afraid Mostert is heading that way too.

    @MerckZ (Comment 22) : Don’t forget Elstadt for the Stormers. I reckon he could be given his first Bok cap in 2012 if he puts another outstanding Super Rugby performance as he did this year.

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.07.11 17:47:28 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @MerckZ (Comment 22) : And Barritt Still would not make the Bok side by a mile. Overrated by another mile.

    you can’t compare Barrit to Mostert.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.07.11 17:47:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) : But Mostert’s been around for a while. I’ve watched play a big role at the Lions in a Currie Cup season a few years back.

    I wish we could hold onto all our top and experienced players but the truth is these guys only have a few years to maximise their revenues from playing pro rugby. One can’t really blame a guy for wanting to earn a few more bucks while he still has the chance. Many normal working class people change jobs because of money every day.

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.07.11 17:49:11 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 30) : Yeah but Mostert has quite a few years left! Next year he will be 27, that is still a good ripe age for a lock! Look at Matfield and Botha – both can still fetch pretty healthy contracts overseas!! I reckon if Mostert is only concerned with money then he should have used his head and realised that if he plays Bok rugby next year and does well that he will fetch an even better overseas contract and will therefore earn more money in less time. When he reaches 30 he could go overseas – that gives him a possible 2 and half years to impress in the green and gold. At 30 he can easily play at least another 2 or 3 years (and being paid bigger money if he is sprinkled with Bok honours).

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.07.11 17:55:01 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 31) : Maybe for an injury prone player there were too many “ifs” as opposed to one certainty in the form a Paris contract.

    I’m sad he’s leaving. However I’ll never hold it against him.

    It’s a lousy feeling to hear commentators mentioning the household names who’ll be moving on to Europe and Japan.

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.07.11 17:59:38 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 30) : Yes regular working people change jobs, but there is a difference. I don’t have any higher honours to work for at my job, it is not like there is a national team for the work I do. For this reason alone, you really can’t compare professional rugby players changing jobs to anyone else changing jobs.

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.07.11 18:01:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I hope he (or rather his agent) feels like a bunch of tits now.

    I said in a private conversation to someone just last week this guy could have cracked a Bok nod in 2012…

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.07.11 18:07:02 by Morné Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 32) : you are right… the injuries were a major factor in Gerhard’s decision

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.07.11 18:08:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : Are you guys targeting eben etsebeth?

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.07.11 18:09:59 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 36) : yes – we’re going to use Anton Bresler to target him… break him in half while we’re at it :)

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.07.11 18:20:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) :
    :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.07.11 18:24:10 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Atleast you guys have bresler watch this weekend fudge is a flippen rubbish lock what a decline from vic..bakkies..danie to fudge :evil:

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.07.11 18:24:38 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 39) :

    Juandre, Flip is your future, and it looks good. Back up needed though.

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.07.11 18:29:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.07.11 18:30:49 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 39) : What the heck?

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.07.11 18:31:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 20) : You can still make trades without penalty :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.07.11 18:31:49 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 39) : please refrain from using the q word… we don’t allow it here.

    And watch what you say about Boys High boys! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.07.11 18:32:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 32) : I don’t hold it against him for looking out for money but I do think he is rather short-sighted in his thinking process. A Bok cap is something that no amount of money will buy you! But then again I don’t blame him for going to Europe. If I could make that kind of living out of rugby I would also go!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.07.11 18:32:08 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) : Dancing Bear. I think you’re mistaken there. Many people do work in industries where there is room for promotion, perhaps not immediately but down the line. Yet these people see greener pastures elsewhere and make the move. A working career can be 40 year long and doesn’t usual involve potential career ending hazards. A rugby career is maybe 10 years and a high risk occupation.

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.07.11 18:32:23 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : :twisted: The Bulls won’t know what hit them!! :twisted:

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.07.11 18:33:01 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 32) : @robdylan (Comment 35) : Hadn’t thought about his injuries but maybe he is over them? He seems to have a good run of games right now. Time will tell, although at the rate the Boks are getting injured I wouldn’t be surprised if that run ended soon…

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.07.11 18:35:07 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 47) : No wait let me rephrase that – The Bulls will know what hit them… Anton Bresler :twisted: :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.07.11 18:36:22 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 49) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 47) : Eben is a WP boy :wink:

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.07.11 18:38:15 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 46) :

    Look I see your point 100%, they need to look after their financial future, but short term gain might result in long term losses.

    Let me explain.

    A player’s ‘value’ increases 10 fold when he becomes an established international (test) player. With his move to Europe, the chances of that happening diminishes 10-fold!

    I seem to be on the case of agents all the time, fact is, I know quite a number of them and its a tough bloody job, but such a vital part of that is securing a long-term future for the player, or mapping out a future for him.

    Now players are almost as guilty as ‘bad’ agents where they chase money rather than thinking about tomorrow leaving the agent with no choice – and this might be the case here too so not saying its a bad move by the agent – but the fact remains, short term gains can sometimes destroy a guy’s career.

    I would like to see both act more responsibly really, and this is a case of what NOT to have done imo.

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.07.11 18:44:04 by Morné Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 50) : :oops: :oops: :oops: Well at least we all know what happens when the Sharks and WP meet. Not only will Eben not know what hit him but the entire team!! Sharks enjoy clapping Province and I’m sure that ain’t going to change :razz:

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.07.11 18:45:00 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 50) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 52) : And then again I still hope the Bulls don’t know what hit them. In fact any team that the Sharks play shouldn’t know what hit them!! :grin:

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.07.11 18:45:53 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 51) : Yes that is what I am trying to say! Look how much Bakkies has fetched from his contract with Toulon! Mostert can play for the Boks and look after his financial future even better if he establishes himself with the Boks (or just gets capped)!

    The only problem is that he is injury-prone but he seems to have gotten over his problems for now.

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.07.11 18:48:31 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 53) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 52) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.07.11 18:49:31 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 52) : How’s Kyle Brown? :lol: ;)

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.07.11 18:50:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 54) :

    For him specifically, he would have established himself quite nicely in the CC this year (forget he got called up now) and looking at the Sharks depth at lock, played a huge part in Super Rugby next year.

    Again imo, for what its worth, this was not a clever move but also, we don’t know the details.

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.07.11 18:50:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 56) : :oops: I really need to check ALL my facts before I comment… :???: At least Kyle Brown is a rugby player even if it is in the sevens circuit! :twisted:

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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 58) : Hehehe. :)

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.07.11 18:56:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 57) : Even though he got called up, it is only for about a month as I doubt he will go to the World Cup. So he has the second half of the Currie Cup to prove himself! I just hope that whatever Mostert ends up doing that he doesn’t regret his decision!

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  • @Morné (Comment 51) : Thanks. I can’t say that I don’t learn things by being at Sharksworld.

    In any occupation, experience is a determinant of pay but am I wrong in assuming that a SH player in France irrespective of whether or not he had an international career to before, can command a salary on par with a Bok player because Clubs have their own scouts who provide feedback on form and potential. A Euro contract is based demand and supply economies as well as on what you’re able to do for the club going forward, not only what you did for your country in the past.

    The above is just a question really, not an argument.

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.07.11 19:03:52 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 61) :

    Clubs in France attracts profile players, the higher the profile is, the more they play – he could have taken a nice retirement package at age 30 if he wanted but again, all of this is speculation.

    Just disappointed SA rugby lost a quality lock to be honest.

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.07.11 19:06:02 by Morné Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 61) : Yes that may also be the case and I am sure a player like Stefan Terblanche wouldn’t be able to use his Bok accolades to get a spicey contract yet a player like Bakkies Botha who still has a couple of playing years left in him and has been one of the Bok legends of the past decade can fetch himself a very iced contract.

    I am not saying that Mostert will become a Bok legend like Bakkies but he certainly can establish himself with the Boks in 2 or 3 years and then go to France with a couple of years left in the tank.

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.07.11 19:07:13 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : I think Peter De Villiers is partly to blame too. Peter De Villiers said that Mostert has been in the Bok selectors minds for a while, and if so then why didn’t they say something to him when he wasn’t selected for the Boks preliminary World Cup squad? If De Villiers had told Mostert he is just short of a Bok jersey then Mostert might have thought twice about devoting his future to France.

    I also think that the selection of Johann Muller in the first place was an unfair call (but a good one*). Gerhard Mostert should have been called up rather since he is playing in SA. If a guy like Mostert sees an overseas-based lock being picked over him then maybe he fancies his chances even when playing in France.

    *Johann Muller’s inclusion was about more than just rugby, it was also to fill a leadership role which is why I can understand him being picked.

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : Noted, I withdraw my comment.

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.07.11 19:17:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 64) :

    Mate to be fair, we have close to 500 professional players in SA. Of that, we have 150 elite players with Super Rugby contracts – a Bok team or squad can only have 22 or 30 players respectively at the best of times.

    You cannot give any player ‘hope’ or guarantees in this business as a coach.

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.07.11 19:18:28 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 66) : I knew someone was going to say that! :twisted:

    But look at it this way – how else would SA have retained the talent? I do believe that players who have not yet been selected for the Boks but are very close (and I mean very very close) should be made aware of it. Not only will it motivate them to do better but it will encourage them to stay within our borders. We cannot offer money as an incentive only a Bok cap (and of course staying near family and friends).

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.07.11 19:21:47 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 67) :

    But how would you say that?

    “Listen boet, you are about 6th in line but we really believe you MAY get a call up if we suffer 3 or 4 injuries to the okes in front of you?”

    I know what you are saying but its tough.

    Central contracts anyone?

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.07.11 19:25:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : I realise much is speculation until we have the figures but it’s possible that Mostert has now guaranteed himself the equivalent pay of a Bok for the next few years as opposed to holding out for a Bok contract which rightfully can’t be promised to him at this stage. He could well end up spending the next 4 years as a fringe player in the Bok set up, meaning financially he’d be worst off for chasing his Bok dream.
    But I too am sad that French system gets to reap the benefits of an experienced player and our local level of compo drops slightly by not having a player of his quality around.

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.07.11 19:26:00 by beet Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 66) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 67) : To explain my point more clearly – Mostert saw that he wasn’t even in the prelimanry squad and therefore saw his chance to make himself some money (overseas). Granted now is when he should have realised he has a good chance to play for the Boks next year. But anyways, he signs a contract that will guarentee his bills get paid and now suddenly he finds himself in the Bok mix due to injury. Now suddenly he is torn between the money of France and a chance to represent his country on a more regular basis (if he performs). The whole dillema could have been avoided if a little birdie told him he wasn’t far out of the Bok picture. At the very least that would have delayed him signing his future away to France. A delay was all that was really needed here.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.07.11 19:26:47 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 62) : French clubs need to be stopped from just pillaging the Southern Hemisphere countries. They need to have maximum foreigners rule or something, the current situation is way beyond ridiculous. The Tri Nations teams have their depth decimated and the French national team also suffers, time for the IRB to do something, I’m not holding my breath though.

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.07.11 19:27:46 by war1 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 68) : See comment 70. I see what you are saying and I know that Mostert probably still would have signed after all the chances of someone getting an injury is slim and is defiantly one of those 50/50s which you cannot call. But as I said a delay in signature was all that was really needed. In fact better communication between SARU, Mostert and Mostert’s agent was all that was really needed.

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.07.11 19:28:32 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 69) : Look at the up side, more of our incredible depth will be shown to the world! I think Europe can take as many of our players as they want, we will always have a quality player ready to replace the departing ones (as we have in Bresler who is presumed to be Mostert’s replacement).

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.07.11 19:31:08 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 71) : I am pretty sure that there is a rule for the English clubs, don’t quite know why the same wouldn’t apply for the French clubs??

    But personally if I was president of the French Rugby Union then I would immediately place a restriction on foriegn players! The reasoning is quite simple – you breed your own national team out of existance if your club sides are filled with foriegners preventing young French talents from proving themselves and gaining experience. Most French club sides are exactly like the Sharks have been – they’d rather buy a proven player from the South than develop their own talent. That mentality is starting to change at the Sharks and for the sake of French rugby and our own lets hope that change is carried into Europe.

    I’m not holding my breath either though…

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.07.11 19:34:37 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 74) : I predict Mossie is going to make such a impact that he is part of the Bok plans for the Next 5years…I feel for Sykes…he must be banging his head against the wall…

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.07.11 19:42:47 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 73) : We have a capable replacement in Bresler but why was he not given more playing opportunities last year, and if he gets injured during next year’s Super rugby tournament? We might be in a bit of trouble as far as lock depth is concerned but I can only hope lessons will be learnt and Jandre Marais is given playing time in this Currie cup.

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.07.11 19:46:14 by war1 Reply
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  • :mrgreen: i have a feeling the little sharkies are gonna get whipped by the wp at craven week tomorrow.

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.07.11 19:46:33 by speartackle Reply

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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 75) : As I’ve said before, Mostert can be the superman of the tour – even if he faces New Zealand and Australia alone and still beats them – he wouldn’t be retained for the World Cup. Besides, if Muller isn’t injured Mostert won’t even tour. All our arguements may be in vain if Muller recovers and Mostert doesn’t tour…

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.07.11 19:47:36 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 76) : Remember that the Sharks have lost quite a few locks recently. Last year Anton Bresler was way back in the line – now suddenly he is the starter. Sharks couldn’t have predicted a year ago that they would be short so many locks.

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.07.11 19:50:00 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 73) : You’re right. With only 5 top outlets in SA rugby as opposed to many in Europe, our SH succession nowadays comes about as a result of older players leaving to further their careers abroad.

    However on the other hand, if we somehow had the financial clout to keep these veterans, we’d probably have a bigger pool of good teams, better depth and more rotation. We’d be Europe.

    It also grinds me when the B&I Lions come out here and have an easy time against our depleted provincial sides. I want them to suffer against all the local sides like they do when they tour NZ. :twisted:

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.07.11 19:54:53 by beet Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 64) : @beet (Comment 69) :

    My point in this is quite simple, Mostert was never going to be a fringe (hence financially struggling) player in SA given the situation at the Sharks – forget the Boks.

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.07.11 19:55:06 by Morné Reply
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  • But ja, look its his choice, best of luck to him.

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.07.11 19:56:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 79) : We’ve had this shortage before. I remember when we throw a young Sykes into the mix and kept an old Albert vd Berg around. We even had to rely on an even older Ackermann.

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.07.11 19:57:07 by beet Reply
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  • :mrgreen: way too many glenwood boys in kzn cw team. hope the du preez twins’ age do not boomerang this week. sure they are tough boys but still under 16.

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.07.11 19:59:15 by speartackle Reply

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  • @speartackle (Comment 84) : Oh boy here comes trouble.

    Ludz should never have mentioned SW.

    PS here size does matter. :lol:

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.07.11 20:04:46 by beet Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 79) : That does not change the fact that we are down on locks, we cannot afford an injury to any of our locks next year or we will be in trouble, thats a little scary for a team who wants to compete for the Super rugby title, not so?

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.07.11 20:05:45 by war1 Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 85) : :mrgreen: beetjie, you okes are too sharkey on here. where’s the school’s section? when are the sharkeys gonna start producing their own locks, whats tha matter there? don’t eat too much fried fish, you don’t grow tall then – rather grilled fish medium rare or lamb chops for tall locks, strong loose heads and stocky tightheads.

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.07.11 20:20:11 by speartackle Reply

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  • :mrgreen: beet, see you tomorrow, see you sharkies don’t like chatting.

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.07.11 20:41:26 by speartackle Reply

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  • @speartackle (Comment 87) : More than ever before I hope they start night golf on the Wesrand. :mrgreen:

    But seriously Speartackle, until Monnas produces a pack of forwards with a combined weight of less than 800kg, you haven’t lived to experience the other side of the size vs skills debate.

    I’m all for skills and good technique and natural talent but people like RGB must appreciate that rugby is also a big man’s game. Yes you can have one 69kg player here and perhaps a second one there but try and put the most skilful, talented, most technically sound lightweight team on the field against an 820kg pack with 2m tall locks and see if the batteries last until half-time.

    Personally I think Dawie Theron had last year’s whipping by the Baby Blacks in mind when he put together this year’s side. We were manhandled last year, that is a fact. Players like Lambie, Jantjies and Taute have since shone they can cut it on the same stage as the world’s best but they need those big guys like Willem Alberts, like Josh Strauss to make it happen.

    No one must underestimate the importance of size particularly in schoolboy and junior rugby.

    Unfortunately there is no official school section YET. You sort of have to look for it. Like the Craven Week article. If you click on it, then near the heading you’ll find a tab for schools Click on that to find school related topics.

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.07.11 20:47:16 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 89) : Okay, i see you and blue machine were into serious discussions there today. The pack size will always be interesting discussions, as most say the bigger the better, but agility and some skills for the big lads are the most important factor. To me the Crusaders team have 22 almost perfect rugby players, size, skills, mobility, physique everything, and yet they lost to basics and skills. But, yes, you sharkies need to bulk up a bit, like i said, leave the fried fish alone.

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.07.11 21:04:22 by speartackle Reply

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  • @speartackle (Comment 90) : There are a lot of WP bloggers here at SW. I’ll give you 2 weeks tops before you’re banned for life :mrgreen:

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.07.11 21:13:28 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 91) : my money is on less than that, to be honest :)

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.07.11 21:24:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 91) : :twisted: Getting banned not unusual, been there, from 365 a few times already, from Racing Metro’s and Munster’s. So today it’s WP vs Sharks – I say it’s WP by at least 20.

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.07.11 08:10:23 by speartackle Reply

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  • @speartackle (Comment 93) : :shock: Banned from 365!?!?!?

    I’ve seen the shit posted on there you must have been a really bad boy to get banned.

    Please consider the fact that we have never banned anyone from here, but if we do it is for life, so it will only happen one time. :wink:

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.07.11 08:26:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 94) : Beet has labelled me unnecessary as a trouble maker, I’m just honest in my opinions. For a start I love WP but not their supporters, I prefer Heineken to Super XV, Guinness to Currie Cup and I’m in favour for the new Varsity Cup. Who’ll be representing KZN in 2012 u/19 VC?

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.07.11 08:50:51 by speartackle Reply

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  • @speartackle (Comment 95) : it’s u20 and the answer is nobody :(

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.07.11 09:00:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 96) : Why not? Why would a young player want to join the Sharks if he’s not going to play VC. I think this will be a set back for Sharks as no Grey players will be heading down to Durban after school. Thinking about it they have only moved there once they’ve established themselves in another province and it gave them more time to improve the english.

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.07.11 09:08:59 by speartackle Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 94) : almost time for u to come home now, min dae :)

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.07.11 09:16:18 by franshark Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 98) : F?????en right!! 13 days to go.

    make sure you attend the Sharks v Cheetahs in Dbn…….. And WP v Sharks in CT, then you’ll get to meet me. :wink:

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.07.11 09:24:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @speartackle (Comment 97) : why not? Because KZN doesn’t have a University with a good enough rugby programme to get into the “closed shop” that is the Varisty Cup.

    Our players all study through the Sharks Academy, which apparently “doesn’t count as a university” according to the rules in place.

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.07.11 09:29:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 99) : The CT one is far, but the cheetahs, I’m still trying to convince the wife to go!

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.07.11 09:31:51 by franshark Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 101) : Get there. :)

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.07.11 09:34:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @speartackle (Comment 95) : Spear, I was joking. Didn’t mean to create the impression you’re a troublemaker or get you started on the wrong foot around here. Obviously it’s important to know that the R365 school pages has a much stricter code of conduct than the rest of their website and you’re definitely not a bad guy in relation to some of stuff that gets posted on the non-school pages. Much of what you post is actually witty. I just wanted you to know that there’s a strong WP flavour here and I wonder if WP supporters sometimes cause you to shoot bad rounds of golf :lol:

    Come to think of it, the administrators around here like constructive input and don’t mind if you throw in a few choice words or express a strong opinion on a topic as long as it doesn’t conflict with Rule 4 here, so chances are your posts won’t get deleted and you won’t be asked to tone it down.

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.07.11 09:35:10 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 103) : Thanks for that clarification. Looking forward to having Speartackle around. :cool:

    Always good to have a person to side with against WP. :razz:

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.07.11 09:38:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 103) : They cause much more than bad rounds, since I’ve become a devoted WP supporter the ‘yips’ are gone and I’ve lost 4kg’s.

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.07.11 09:51:19 by speartackle Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 86) : I wouldn’t stress too much about it now. We still have the whole Currie Cup to explore our depth and time to sign anymore players if we need too. Right now let’s just worry about Anton Bresler making the step-up or not.

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.07.11 10:40:20 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 83) : We do need to sort out our lineout problems though. Hopefully Hargreaves and Skeate figure out how to do so because that was definitely one of our downfalls this past Super 15 season. :roll:

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.07.11 10:42:09 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 107) : I agree. it was a huge sore point this season. I’m still struggling to come to terms with our inconsistency at lineout time during SR.

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.07.11 10:53:58 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 108) : I feel for Lambie and the Sharks backline. Throughout the season the backline were given kak for being poor in the midfield or for being too predictable – can’t really impress win the lineout ball is hardly ever being won or is not being won cleanly! Lambie has had to deal with poor ball all season and he did well considering.

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.07.11 12:20:02 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • So it kooks like Johan Muller and Penalty Oosthuizen will be declared fit to tour.

    Does this mean Mostert will stay and play CC?

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.07.11 13:24:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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