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What’s best? Morne in 1D? Or Pat in 3D?


Written by Sharon van Wyk (Shaz)

Posted in :Original Content, RWC 2011, Sharks, Springboks, Super Rugby, Tri Nations on 23 Jul 2011 at 18:29
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You don’t need funny glasses that make you feel half-cut and give you a worse headache than a babelaas to see that there are certain members of the Springbok squad who have evidently not gotten the gist of homo sapiens sapiens’ ability to operate in more than one dimension…

Point of fact, judging by this afternoon’s performance, there’s one Bok in particular who could do with a good 3D movie to show him that there is more than a single plane of vision and that one dimensional play and predictability are just SO passe!

It doesn’t take the Brain of the Century to work out who I am talking about, specifically, and why I am going to make the following statement: Ladies and gentlefolk, it is time for Morne Steyn to step down, and, in doing so, give South Africa a half-decent chance of doing something with its World Cup campaign.

I have nothing against Morne. And actually blame years and years of Blue Bull conditioning for his lack of depth and singular ability – to kick the ball, the whole ball and nothing but the ball, so help me! There are those I speak to on a regular basis who assure me that before the Bulls “got” to Morne he was quite a lekker flyhalf. And could actually manage multitasking on the field. And don’t get me wrong – he has been an absolute MACHINE when it comes to putting points on the board. But that’s just his problem. His machinations are easy to work out, even for Australians, and he has become do predictable that he is largely rendered completely useless, save for when he’s kicking for posts.

If there’s one thing that SupeRugby has taught us this season, apart from how to fly the furthest in the shortest space of time available, it’s that you don’t need to be a points machine to be a GREAT flyhalf. Look at Quade Cooper if you want evidence of that. Not the most consistent kicker, but one helluva great general and a consumate playmaker.

Consider also, if you will, one Daniel Carter, who rarely misses his opportunities at posts. But he does rather more than kick. And that’s what makes him a world beater. So why oh why do we stick to the weak link when he’s showed himself time and again to be that weak link? Steyn is a kicker. But NOTHING else. And we have other kickers. But more importantly, we have BETTER flyhalves.

OK. Gird your loins all of you out there, because you KNOW what’s coming. Yes. I am as predictable as old Mr Points Machine. But anyone who watched this afternoon’s Tri-Nations test will I trust agree with what I am about to say… Patrick Lambie needs to start as Springbok flyhalf. Kla. Finished. The No 10 spot is NOT about kicking. It’s about playmaking. Anyone can take kicks. Just look at James O’Connor if you need affirmation. And if there is one thing that our darling SuperPat is brilliant at, it’s playmaking.

SuperPat in conversation with SuperShaz

From the moment he stepped onto that field this afternoon the entire Springbok game changed for the better, and we scored two tries, the first as a direct result of Pat’s influence on the game. What more proof does anyone need? It’s as plain as the nose on Barry Manilow’s face. It’s the elephant in the room… Lambie is a better flyhalf than Steyn. And if the Springbok powers that be don’t see that, then we may as well kiss the World Cup ta-ta, and say “sayonara” to any thoughts of lifting the trophy come October.

Forget Butch James. He’s a liability when it comes to discipline. And Jantjies is, in the words of his own coach, just not good enough. So why is everyone resisting the change at 10? Why are the powers that be so scared to make a change in a squad which is, frankly, a complete metamorphosis of any form of Springbok squad this side of 2007? Could it be that the one-dimensional disease is not restricted to dear old Morne?

I have never thought it pertinent to make comment on coaching decisions because I am not a coach. And Lord knows I have criticised heavily those who have torn into Plum for the decisions he has made throughout SupeRugby. But there comes a point where even laypeople like myself have to stand up and be counted when the problem under consideration is so darned obvious that even a mole-rat could point it out at a kilometre’s distance…

To hell with experience, and age, and all of those wise old chestnuts wheeled out whenever anyone suggests a young man take the place of one more senior in years. Pat has always risen to the challenges presented to him and surpassed them to the point of making them seem completely irrelevant. Why on earth wouldn’t he do the same in the Springbok No 10 jersey? We couldn’t exactly do worse than we did in today’s first half, so forgive me, P Div, but please, put the Bull out to grass and put the Shark with nice pointy teeth on in his place? And watch him make you proud.

Love and kisses… Shaz :cool:



129 Comments

  • Peeps. I’m back. From outer space. I just walked in with that sad look upon my face… ! :lol:

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.07.11 18:33:45 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Forwards to play in skirts next week so that the backs can see more balls.

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.07.11 18:55:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • haha good read, and while they sorting out the backline they can get rid of olivier as well, he was woeful

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.07.11 18:57:45 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Trust you! :mrgreen: So when do I see the backs in skirts? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.07.11 18:58:20 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 3) : Wasn’t he just! To be honest, and I know I’m going to ruffle a few feathers here, but I didn’t think much of Ruan’s performance either.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.07.11 18:59:06 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • I agree on this, as I mentioned during the game on FB. Another very predictable player is Meisiekind – he simply refuses to pass!!
    I felt (at the risk of being called provincialistic) that the game was a hell of a lot better when Pat, Kanko and Deysel was on the field.

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.07.11 19:01:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 5) : and as for Basson :???:

    I loved it when he let Ashley-Cooper in for the try and the commentators tried to make AC sound good by saying Basson was usually reliable on defence. :???:

    And they turnstile comment after Steyn tried to imitate one was hilarious

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.07.11 19:02:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : You are so right. How dull was the game with all of those non-Shark folk on the field? The minute Kanko came on we picked up. Why was Basson on the field? And like you said, why Meisiekind? It was like watching a Shark SupeRugby match – the second half picked up when the bench was emptied!!! :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.07.11 19:03:44 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 5) : yup i agree ruan didnt have the greatest game, what pissed me off was that either ruan or morne would kick it away and if it got to olivier it was crash ball again and agian, dont think de jong saw the ball until olivier went off

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.07.11 19:05:09 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : Like most of Steyn’s play. Milling around doing nothing, making like a headless chicken to look busy! :roll: And as for butterfingers Basson tripping over his own feet. I’d rather have Krusty out there!

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.07.11 19:05:23 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • in other news amy winehouse has apparently died, dont do drugs kids

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.07.11 19:07:04 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 9) : Indeed. It never fails to amaze me that people kick the ball away when we have possession. I have lost count of the number of tries scored against us (us being Sharks and Boks) from kicked away ball. :shock:

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.07.11 19:07:12 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 11) : Well it was only a matter of time before that happened. What a waste of talent.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.07.11 19:08:16 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 5) : I think Ruan was good, especially behind a nowhere to be seen forward orgi

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.07.11 19:08:30 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 14) : I was disappointed. I expected more from him, to be honest. I got frustrated by the pointless box kicks and the time he took to clear the ball at the breakdown.

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.07.11 19:09:59 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • i think ruan might have been trying to do bit much himself cause no one around him seemed capable and hence more mistakes than usual

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.07.11 19:11:00 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 15) : But then, to be fair, he picked up when Steyn came off. The flyhalf channel dynamics changed significantly at that point.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.07.11 19:11:05 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 16) : You have a point there. Like I just said, he settled better with Pat on the field and more quality ball was the result.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.07.11 19:11:58 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Stop being biased towards a ex Sharks please. Ruan had a bad game.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.07.11 19:13:26 by Ben Reply
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  • I would love (hate) to see the tackles missed count by the boks – it looked Shocking from my couch!

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.07.11 19:13:52 by Ice Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 17) : Would love to see Ruan and Lambi playing a full game together, as u suggested

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.07.11 19:13:53 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 19) : Don’t agree, nothing to do with him being ex shark, in the first half he was the only descend bok around :|

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.07.11 19:15:49 by Franshark Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 18) : things definately looked better with pat and the others on, deysel looked good as well. A few changes need to be made or else the ABs gonna destroy us next week

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.07.11 19:15:52 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 19) : Im glad it wasn’t just me being nitpicky! It wasn’t good, was it?

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.07.11 19:16:38 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 23) : Yup. Well, there P Div needs to make the call. We need as many Sharks on the field as possible, because only we played the Saders (aka the All Blacks) and found the chink in their armour!

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.07.11 19:18:04 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • danie and chilliboy also had decent games

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.07.11 19:18:39 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • I see Gerhard Mostert it to join the Bok squad! :razz:

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.07.11 19:18:53 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Or even “is” to join the Bok squad!

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.07.11 19:20:27 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 26) : Seriously, you think Rossouw had a good game?

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.07.11 19:21:06 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 11) : She won’t be missed.

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.07.11 19:23:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 29) : i think he was the best of a bad bunch, he deysel and chilliboy at least showed a bit of gees, the others looked like they knew they were the “dirt trackers” and were always going to lose but hopefully not too badly as to be embarresed

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.07.11 19:25:18 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • If today is anything to go by….NO DOUBT PAT!!!

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.07.11 19:25:58 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 32) : My boytjie. Thank you! :razz: Was beginning to think everyone was missing the point! Should I start a petition? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.07.11 19:28:46 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 31) : Yeah. It’s hard when you have to pick the best of a bad bunch! It makes bad players look good in comparison! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.07.11 19:29:42 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 24) : Yeah most players out there had awfull games and imo Ruan certainly was one of them.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.07.11 19:37:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : What did you think of Ashley Johnson?

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.07.11 19:38:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 31) : rossouw played better whe vd merwe went off

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.07.11 19:39:53 by Franshark Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 36) : Pretty ineffective.

    But I have to say I don’t think Danie had a bad game. Plus Adi would do well to stay away from McDonalds for the next year or so.

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.07.11 19:42:07 by Ben Reply
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  • Time for me to go and slave in the kitchen, fair SW colleagues. I will bid you all adieu until the morrow. Fare thee well and sleep well!
    :cool:

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.07.11 19:42:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Jan de Koning rates the South African players:

    15 Gio Aplon:
    He had the occasional run, but found no holes of note.
    5/10

    14 Bjorn Basson:
    Looked threatening with ball in hand … on the few occasions he received it.
    6/10

    13 Juan de Jongh:
    Tried to step and found a yellow wall. Tried to run and found no space. Looked like he lacked pace.
    4/10

    12 Wynand Olivier:
    Hopefully he played under instructions, because bashing up into a yellow wall of defenders when it looks on outside is not a good thing.
    4/10

    11 Lwazi Mvovo:
    Had a couple of decent runs, but never had enough possession in space.
    6/10

    10 Morné Steyn:
    This has not been his best year.
    4/10

    9 Ruan Pienaar:
    By some way his worst Test ever.
    3/10

    8 Ashley Johnson:
    He looked like a deer in headlights and was a huge liability on defence.
    2/10

    7 Danie Rossouw:
    One of the few players that played with heart.
    7/10

    6 Deon Stegmann:
    Affected a couple of turnovers, one a penalty, and had his moments on defence.
    6/10

    5 Alistair Hargreaves:
    Was badly showed up – appears to lack the ability to step up to Test level.
    3/10

    4 Flip van der Merwe:
    Injured early, battled on for about 20 minutes, but was no factor.
    5/10

    3 Werner Kruger:
    Had his moments in the scrums and the occasional carry.
    5/10

    2 John Smit (captain):
    Looked badly out of sorts. Maybe he needs these games at hooker and to improve his form.
    4/10

    1 Dean Greyling:
    Tried hard, but no real impact.
    5/10

    Replacements:

    16 Chiliboy Ralepelle (on for Dean Greyling, 57th min):
    Made an immediate impact and showed he will fill the void left by Smit when the legend moves on after the World Cup – alongside Bismarck du Plessis of course..
    7/10

    17 CJ van der Linde (on for Dean Greyling – 7th and 23rd mins; on for Werner Kruger, 75th min):
    Every time he came on the Bok scrum was under pressure.
    4/10

    18 Ryan Kankowski (on for Flip van der Merwe, 34th min):
    Showed he can play with ball in hand, but lacks plenty in the physical exchanges.
    5/10

    19 Jean Deysel (on for Ashley Johnson, 52nd min):
    Carried strongly, but often lacked support.
    6/10

    20 Charl McLeod:
    Not used.

    21 Adrian Jacobs (on for Wynand Olivier, 65th min):
    Not enough time to be rated.

    22 Patrick Lambie (on for Morné Steyn, 57th min):
    One of the rare rays of bright light in the Bok backline.
    6/10

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.07.11 19:45:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) : Agree with most of his ratings. Who is this guy?

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.07.11 19:49:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 41) : Editor of Rugby 365. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.07.11 19:52:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) : Oh…

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.07.11 19:53:35 by Ben Reply
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  • Still here. Just figured out how to post pics in prose!

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.07.11 19:59:07 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • so what changes would you guys make to the team, with our available squad plus mostert, for next week?

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.07.11 20:02:32 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) : Dont agree that Adi wasn’t on long enough to be rated. For me he made an immediate impact for the better.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.07.11 20:04:55 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 45) : Drop Steyn. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.07.11 20:05:24 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Try Coenie Oosthuizen up front. Put Mostert in. Use Brussouw if he’s fit. Hope Muller can make it in time! Give McLeod a shot. Leave Meisiekind at the hotel. Or even in Sydney. :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.07.11 20:13:16 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 46) : Now you’re being biased. :shock:

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.07.11 20:14:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 45) : And you?

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.07.11 20:14:06 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) : :mrgreen: Busted!

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.07.11 20:14:46 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • We need Lambie! But is he the right choice for WC? 10,12,13 were useless! Kanko was prancing like a drag queen and is in my mind no Test player. Give him back, will much rather use him in CC!

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.07.11 20:14:48 by catfish Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 52) : Is he the right choice for wc? No. He’s the ONLY choice. If we want to win. :cool:

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.07.11 20:15:55 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 47) : haha agreed, and olivier and stegman, but we dont have any other “fetchers” in our squad. But in all honesty i hate seeing the springboks get klapped like today but most of these players wont get near a bok jersey for a while after this tour to the antipodes so im not that worried about our players, our game plan leads a lot to be desired though. Lets hope we can get through next week woithout the ABs racking up a cricket score against us

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.07.11 20:16:53 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 51) : :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.07.11 20:18:26 by Ben Reply
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  • Who is the right choice for RWC? Is Smit the right choice over Bismarck? Is Habana the right choice? He’s had a dismal SupeRugby season. Is Bakkies the right choice? Sadly with Bekker out of it, yes. Is Spies the right choice? Judging by today, perhaps. De Villiers? Yes. Burger? If his thumb heals, yes. Beast? Definitely. Jannie? Absolutely. Victor? (Yawn) yup. Morne? Um, that’s a negatory. James? Why? Seriously, why would you pick James over Lambie? Frans Steyn – yes… My point is we need to shake it up where it counts, because the old guard are not working.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.07.11 20:22:49 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 54) : Ah. The “game plan”. It’s time that was thrown out with the predictable kicker. Now then… Mark my words… Morne Steyn will lose us the World Cup. You read it here. First.
    :evil:

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.07.11 20:27:09 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 57) : The coaching staff selects the players. So if anyone will lose us the WC, it will be them.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.07.11 20:37:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 58) : Ben, you’ve been watching too much La Liga – believing that coaches are solely responsible for poor results :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.07.11 21:08:04 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 59) : Haha nope I don’t even watch that league. :)

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.07.11 21:56:22 by Ben Reply
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  • This is not as painful event than the one in 2006 (49-0), in that game we were playing to win the tri-nations with no other pretends, yes we had a few injuries put did not leave 21 of our “best” at home to play. Today was bad but not that bad, we will be back and there is hope. The team will look different on sat against the all blacks, but not because we lost, but because its the plan to give the guys a run. Hopefully pdv will take from this game what we have learned and leave the rest behind.

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.07.11 23:03:08 by Franshark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) :

    Agree with most of your scores…
    My dif scores:
    Aplon 6: he broke the line a few times and civered decently on def…once Mvovo was bumped off on the near side ofthe field when Aus were playing left to right and Aplon covered with a low tackle
    Ruan 5: Cleared the ball fast…however was lost if passed to Morne
    Lwazi 5: Had 2 semi good runs…miss queued 3 kick chaces terribly…did not find enough work…had about 15 meters to use out wide…at pace with two forwards to beat and was cut down by Pocock…missed a number of tackles…
    Hargreaves 2: Was shown up physically
    Both props 4: did not do well in scrums or general play…

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.07.11 01:06:03 by Hmmm Reply

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  • People accuse Wynand Olivier of being one-dimensional, but I thought he varied his distribution beautifully – berween non-existent and atrocious. He has a rare ability to pass the ball in such a manner that the recipient ALWAYS receives man and ball simultaneously.

    Stegmann has apparently joined The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen – evey time he dons the green and gold, he simply disappears…

    On the home front, I must profess that I am disappointed with Ali H’s showing; I don’t think he staked much of a claim for himself in most people’s minds.

    As for the actual topic of the article, it is a truth so universally self-evident that right now tribes in the depths of the Amazon jungle are nodding their heads in agreement.

  • Comment 63, posted at 24.07.11 12:51:06 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 63) : Yes Culling Song. The difference Lambie made compared to Steyn was as clear as the difference between the Blue Label and the Snow Phoenix on Wednesday. One is overrated and expensive and the other in an absolute class of it’s own.

  • Comment 64, posted at 24.07.11 13:11:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 64) : correction Thursday.

  • Comment 65, posted at 24.07.11 13:15:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 63) : :lol:

    @Pokkel (Comment 64) :
    You Newcastle lads are intimidating in your sophistication. I’m definitely gonna brush our my dungarees before I meet you lot, should the opportunity ever present itself. :wink:

  • Comment 66, posted at 24.07.11 13:39:29 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 66) : Unlike you big city slickers, we gotta make our own fun out here in the sticks. Normally it involves alcohol. And now that I have figured out a legitimate way to have others fund our habit, the alcohol is expensive :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 24.07.11 14:06:42 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Pat is probably the future, but I will not pick him as first choice for the RWC.

  • Comment 68, posted at 24.07.11 14:15:22 by Morné Reply
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  • Another point that you didn’t mention in your excellent blog Sharonvanwyk (which I agree with 100%) is that there were four kicks (for the Boks) in the Tri-Nations test match. Morne kicked 2 and Lambie kicked 2. Provided one of Lambie’s kicks were from right in front, yet he still kicked the well.

    We have also seen in this year’s Super 15 that Lambie has been quite consistent with his goalkicking. Lambie can kick at goal. Maybe his percentage is 5 less than Morne’s… so what! I’d rather have a flyhalf who can create 5 tries and convert 3 as opposed to a flyhalf who creates no tries but converts 5 penalties…

    I’d venture to say that Lambie is in fact a better kicker than Quade Cooper and even Dan Carter and James O’Connor. It will be intersting to see what the stats say, who knows where one can find stats like that?

  • Comment 69, posted at 24.07.11 16:09:55 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 68) : Of course you want yourself to be playing! ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 70, posted at 24.07.11 16:24:28 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : :lol: I’m pretty sure some of those forwards don’t have any balls… :grin:

  • Comment 71, posted at 24.07.11 16:27:20 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : Lambie I think had the biggest effect.

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  • @Ice (Comment 6) : I saw him pass once in the whole match and I nearly fell off my chair in surprise. :shock:

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.07.11 16:29:23 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 22) : Ruan was 50/50.

    On one hand he made some dumb mistakes, the ball not going out from a penalty kick (for touch), a knock-on here and there, as well as one of his inside flicks getting intercepted (which very nearly led to a try).

    But flip the coin and you’ll find he actually did quite well and he showed his experience. He didn’t box kick much, he got the ball away cleanly from some very messy rucks, he was a danger around the fringe (including one break) and was generally a very lively player.

    His performance certainly looked a lot better too when Lambie was on the field. Actually come to think of it all the back’s performance’s generally lifted when Lambie came onto the field!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.07.11 16:33:41 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 63) : At first I thought you were actually talking Olivier up! I won’t lie, I nearly had a heart attack… :twisted:

    Stegman played? What? You’ve got to be joking. I don’t remember seeing him at all! He must have been subbed.

    Hargreaves will come around. Pienaar will come around too… eventually.

    Lambie is a no-brainer. He simply has to start agains the All Blacks.

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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 75) : @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 74) :I like what u’re saying, and agree… :)

  • Comment 76, posted at 24.07.11 16:49:22 by Franshark Reply
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  • run Pat!!!!!! run as fast as you can, this loquacious Cougar has got you in her crosshairs and as you should know my young african brother – in AFRICA if you can’t RUN you’re FOOD! :razz:

  • Comment 77, posted at 24.07.11 17:15:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 77) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 24.07.11 18:18:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 77) : Loquacious. That’s a GREAT word you got there. Hot diggety damn, this blog is educational!

  • Comment 79, posted at 24.07.11 18:20:44 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 79) : :)

  • Comment 80, posted at 24.07.11 18:53:55 by Franshark Reply
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  • I expect to see fairly similar sides from the All Blacks and Springbok rolled out again this week……. AB’s to win in a close one.

    Post match all NZ saying they are concerned and all of SA saying they are encouraged.

    However both countries will be keeping their powder dry with their A Teams still on ice!

    Matches in SA between the two countries will be the real indicator to the RWC :cool:

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.07.11 05:57:52 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • mmmm im going to again go of the focus of the article …

    ‘And Jantjies is, in the words of his own coach, just not good enough.’

    HUH ? When did Mitch make the above statement ? Talk about taking a statement out of context ….

    ‘Mitchell commented: “He’s a very young fly-half and I know he’s been written up, but I believe he first needs to play a season of Super Rugby before he becomes an international.’

    ‘“He’s got a great future, an outstanding one, but we’d be naive to push him into international rugby straight away when he’ll definitely get there over time anyway.”’

    http://www.ruggaworld.com/2010/09/21/jantjies-not-ready-for-test-rugby-mitchell/

    please dont just bash other teams and there players for the reason of bashing them .

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.07.11 09:09:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 82) : you’re wasting your time, Sharon used to date a rock star, she has the advantage of experience in IDOLIZING talented people and waxing lyrical about them :idea:

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.07.11 10:10:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 82) : :shock: but that is exactly what his coach is saying “he is not good enough, yet”

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.07.11 10:22:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 84) :

    Dude, i agree that Elton is not good enough yet but bear in mind his coach said that LAST YEAR before the EOYT.

    I’m just saying!! :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.07.11 10:41:31 by wpw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 83) :
    what happened … she wasn’t good enough for him :razz: :twisted:

    @Salmonoid (Comment 84) :

    yes .. your ‘.. ,yet’ reminded me of the sms the guy sent to his wife while on holiday .. ‘Wish you where her ‘

    if she wanted to say he might be good enough in the future she should have rather gone the rout Mitch went in making clear statements

    saying somebody is not good enough does not automatically denote that he might improve in the future or that he plays well enough but needs a little bit of experience to be able to handle the pressure …

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.07.11 10:41:35 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 85) :

    i also want to know what it will do to Lambies confidence if we go to the world cup and he plays behind a pack that doesnt secure decant ball .

    id personally rather take Butch James and have lambie play 15 . Butch has the world of experience and i personally feel he showed at the lions this year that his time is not over yet .

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.07.11 10:46:32 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 85) : The year that has elapsed is hardly helping the argument, if anything EJ was a shinning light last year as opposed to what he’s managed this year.

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.07.11 10:51:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 86) : See my above comment.

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.07.11 10:53:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 25) :
    “We need as many Sharks on the field as possible, because only we played the Saders (aka the All Blacks) and found the chink in their armour!”
    How do you figure that?
    sharks played crusaders twice in superrugby, losing both times, by and aggregate score of 80 – 36.

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.07.11 10:57:44 by Greg Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 85) : In a very round about way, that’s probably the nicest thing you have said about the Lions all year (possibly ever) :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.07.11 11:00:45 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 90) : hey. “the sharks won the 2nd half at Twickenham” hehehehe :lol:

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.07.11 11:01:52 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 88) :

    no i totally dis agree. Elton struggled at the start of the Super 15 so he got dropped . then we had Burton . and burton couldn’t get the lions back line going … the lions fortunes changed when Butch started playing . in the lions game agains the Higlanders that we won Butch was at 12 and elton at 10 .

    i really fell elton will still play great rugby , and i wont judge him on one season where none of the lions players really had a great season

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.07.11 11:04:22 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 92) : reds on the other hand, also played crusaders twice, winning both, by an aggregate score of 35 – 29. If anyone found a chink in the crusaders armour, it was the reds, albeit a rather small chink!

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.07.11 11:06:03 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 94) : this is Sharksworld my broer

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.07.11 11:14:57 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 95) : Yeah, never let either logic or the truth get in the way of a good story!
    Maak die haaie almal bokke en kry klaar!

  • Comment 96, posted at 25.07.11 11:18:13 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 91) :

    What can I say??

    I have a habit of sticking up for the underdog!! :roll: ;-)

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.07.11 11:19:45 by wpw Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 94) : But the Boks cant play with the Reds players. :twisted:

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.07.11 11:30:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 96) : Wheres the logic in picking the Reds players for the Boks – it cant happen, really. :razz: :twisted:

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.07.11 11:32:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 93) : So are you saying that Elton plays well when Butch is around or are you saying that Butch is the one that changed your fortunes or even that Elton inspred Butch to play well. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.07.11 11:34:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 99) : And where ever did you get the idea I was suggesting that we pick reds players to play for the Boks?

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.07.11 11:37:45 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 94) : When you brought the Reds into the conversation, which at that stage was aimed at Sharons view that the Sharks had (to an extent) managed find a chink in the Saders armour and should therefore be in the Bok squad.

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.07.11 11:43:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 102) : I merely suggested that perhaps the reds had found a small chink in the crusaders armour, I never suggested any of them should be made Boks. The cheetahs, however, managed to beat the crusaders, maybe they should all be Boks?

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.07.11 11:46:41 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 103) : Yes, that would be more relevant in a SA context. Dont take me too seriously Im just playing Zibbies game of digesting the written word.

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.07.11 11:52:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 82) : Strange as it may sound, Zibbie, I don’t read other people’s versions of the truth, but take it straight from the source… I spoke to John Mitchell myself at an event held to launch the Currie Cup just a couple of short weeks ago. I asked him how the team would fare in the Currie Cup without Elton if he were to go to RWC. His response was, AND I QUOTE: “He won’t go to the World Cup, he’s not good enough.”
    It wasn’t a private conversation – Doppies was standing next to him when he said it, and I was surrounded by other journo friends. He’s not afraid to say what he thinks. And nor am I.
    I am not in the habit of taking things out of context, or regurgitating other website’s stories. I am actually a professional.
    So next time, before you launch an attack on my bona fides or my integrity, consider the fact that I actually know what I am doing when it comes to my job, and my job is not writing for Sharksworld. That’s a hobby. I am a professional journalist. And have been for a LOOOONNNNGGGG time.
    :cool:

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.07.11 12:07:33 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 90) : And the last time we played them we managed to completely shut them down for the first half of the first half. Which in my book indicative of us finding a chink in the armour. It’s not ALL about winning you know. The Greeks took Troy, but Paris found the chink in Achilles’s armour before they did it.
    :cool:

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.07.11 12:10:29 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 86) : Actually, dear Zibbie, he wasn’t good enough for me. But we are still very dear friends. :cool:

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.07.11 12:12:05 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 83) : Megsie… Howzit my angel? Idolizing? Hmmm. Not sure I ever idolised anyone. I’ve got a cracking eye for talent, though! :mrgreen: In both senses! :lol:

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.07.11 12:13:49 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 86) : See my earlier comment to you regarding what Mitch actually said to me. :roll:

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.07.11 12:16:03 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 106) : It’s not ALL about winning? Then why on earth are we doing it? Of course it’s about winning. Quickly, and without checking any where, ask yourself who was the losing finalist in each of the world cups since 1987, and who were the champions?

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.07.11 12:17:04 by Greg Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 100) :

    im saying that with the correct support Elton plays better

    if Lambie played at the lions and Elton at the sharks we would most probably have been using reversed names

    she also said ‘Forget Butch James’ im saying Butch might not be a bad option

    but my point is Mitch never used the word ‘.. Not good enough ‘

    at the end of the day im differing from her opinion … but she doesnt state that its here opinion and she also base her opinion on twisting other peoples words …

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.07.11 12:17:32 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 105) : Don’t rise to the bait like that :)

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.07.11 12:18:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 77) : You are naughty. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.07.11 12:18:48 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 111) : actually, according to Sharon (whom I don’t doubt), Mitchell did use exactly those words

  • Comment 114, posted at 25.07.11 12:19:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 113) : You make it sound like it would be an awful experience to be “in my crosshairs” Some might say it’s an “educational” experience! And anyway, cougars don’t eat their “cubs”! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 115, posted at 25.07.11 12:21:15 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 111) : OK. Enough already Zibbie. “She” is me, and I am online right now. I have reported accurately what John Mitchell said. If you don’t like it – take it up with him. :evil:

  • Comment 116, posted at 25.07.11 12:26:00 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 110) : :roll: What I am trying, evidently ineffectually to say, is that you don’t have to beat an opponent to find a chink in their armour. mkay? :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 25.07.11 12:27:42 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 111) : C’mon, if the Lions had Lambie you guys would have made the top 6. :twisted:

  • Comment 118, posted at 25.07.11 12:30:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 112) : Is it bait when someone actually just stops short of calling you a liar? Thanks for sticking up for me.

  • Comment 119, posted at 25.07.11 12:30:50 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 117) : Fair enough, but should you find a chink in the armour, and then don’t exploit it, what is the point? All that is then achieved is that the chink in the armour gets covered.

  • Comment 120, posted at 25.07.11 12:32:35 by Greg Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 105) :

    im sorry then .

    but i still feel Lambie is not the only option to play at 10 for the boks in the world cup . i agree Elton is not ready yet .
    Personal id rather say he is not ready but most defiantly good enough . good and ready are two different things.

    But as that was a quote ill let this one slip :razz:

  • Comment 121, posted at 25.07.11 12:37:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 120) : Or someone bigger and better comes along and uses the chink you found to completely annihilate the opposition…

  • Comment 122, posted at 25.07.11 12:37:12 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 121) : Fine. As long as you understand that I don’t use quotes out of context and that when I say someone said something, you can bet your bottom dollar that they did. It’s my name at the top of the article. And my name on the legal action if I get it wrong. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 25.07.11 12:38:52 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 108) : Mncwaaaaa :grin: hey baby…long time no see :sad:

  • Comment 124, posted at 25.07.11 12:40:06 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 124) : Been out in the bush with no comms. :razz: Howzit babes?

  • Comment 125, posted at 25.07.11 12:41:16 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 122) : And that helps you how?
    Given that the reds beat the crusaders twice, possibly using the chink the sharks found but didn’t exploit, does that mean that australia is a shoe in for this world cup, and the Boks are going to be relegated to also rans?

  • Comment 126, posted at 25.07.11 12:41:55 by Greg Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 118) :

    i highly dough that …

    @SharonvanWyk (Comment 123) :

    Sure . would you not have defended your players against a statement like that ?

  • Comment 127, posted at 25.07.11 12:42:41 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie I know I certainly would have

  • Comment 128, posted at 25.07.11 13:12:14 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • No doubt that Lambie is the future of BOK 10′s but I hope they leave him at home for the WC. Divvie will break the guy the same way the bulls stuffed up a good running flyhalf in Morne Steyn. Now all Steyn can do is kick for posts. He can’t run, can’t attack the advantage line and sure as hell can’t tackle. Maybe if we are lucky he and Lambie can watch the WC from SA…

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