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Sharks player ratings v Pumas


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 25 Jul 2011 at 09:52
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A number of factors complicate this week’s ratings, not least of which the fact that SuperSport’s coverage of games designated as “online only” comes in, frankly, somewhere between “hopelessly inadequate” and “shockingly bad”.

Surely, if people are going to go to the effort of tuning in on a Friday night to squint at a tiny window, decimating their bandwidth in the process, they must be real die-hards… their focus, therefore, is likely to be on watching as much of the match as possible, rather than a cut-away every three minutes or so to a grinning Sias du Plessis handing out freebies to the bewildered crowd (who, I’m sure, would also rather be watching the game). The commentator tried to keep us going by insisting that “interaction with the fans is what it’s all about”…. In my naivety, I’ll admit that I thought watching the rugby was what it was all about! Enough ranting, though and onto the ratings which, I fear, are on the low side this week.

1) Dale Chadwick. A pretty useful game, marked by huge work on defence and, of course, scoring the match-winning try. The Sharks did concede three tight heads, but all of these happened while Chadwick was off the field, thus sparing him a blush or two. 7/10
2) Craig Burden. Not a great game by the fiery hooker’s high standards. He had little impact with ball in hand on the night, while his yellow card proved costly. 4/10
3) Wiehahn Herbst. Another tight forward who had a quiet game, marked by very little involvement outside of the set pieces and rucks. Stood firm in the scrums until Burden was carded, at which point the Sharks pack went into reverse. We know that Wors is a great prospect, but he’ll want to put this performance behind him as quickly as possible. 5/10
4) Anton Bresler. Looked to get involved and was safe on his own ball in the lineout, for the most part. The Sharks tight five as a whole underperformed, though and Bresler could certainly have done more on the night. 5/10
5) Ross Skeate. A pretty good game from Skeate, under the circumstances, I thought. Must take a hit as well for the general tight five malaise, but he was prominent and looked to be trying hard throughout. 6/10
6) Jacques Botes. Beavered away industriously, as always, but failed to have the impact on this game that he should have, as a senior player. 5/10
7) Marcell Coetzee. Started brightly, but played for most of the game with a broken nose, which hampered his efforts somewhat. Emerged as the Sharks’ best ball-carrier on the night and improved his personal discipline after the Bulls game, where this was an issue. 7/10
8) Keegan Daniel. A match that the skipper would like to forget in a hurry, with numerous out-of-character handling errors blighting his performance. Keegan needed to lead by example and rally the troops and it’s hard to argue that he did that on the night. He’s a young captain, though and the fact that he pulled his team through in the end does count for something. 5/10

9) Ross Cronje. The young scrumhalf was hampered by some awful ball presentation from his forwards, but was slow on the night, both in clearance and decision making. The tendency to throw out inaccurate passes was again evident and Cronje will need to lift his game next week. 4/10
10) Fred Michalak. The Frenchman was one of the few senior players to really stand up and be counted on the night and his goal kicking and general play was assured and confident throughout. The Sharks, I feel, would not have won this game had it not been for Fred Michalak, making him the clear MVP. 8/10
11) Louis Ludik. A pretty good evening on attack, with Ludik full of pace and guile on the few occasions that the ball came his way. Slipped an alarming number of tackles, though, which is an area he’ll want to improve. 6/10
12) Meyer Bosman. Another poor performance from a player that now needs to step up and show that he is one of the seniors in the backline. Missed too many tackles, but to his credit, did manage a few good linebreaks. He failed to link up with his own players on each occasion, though, often throwing out wild passes to the opposition instead. 4/10
13) Marius Joubert. A poor performance, punctuated by poor decision-making and ill discipline. Joubert needs to get over his French rustiness fast, because the Sharks need their senior players to set the example and right now, Joubert is not doing that. 4/10
14) Mark Richards. A busy and industrious evening for a player who was eager to look for work. Found wanting on defence once or twice, but on the whole, made the most of the few opportunities that came his way. 6/10
15) Stefan Terblanche. A useful game from the fullback, who linked up well on attack and made more metres than anyone else on the evening. Was solid on defence and the only slight concern was a lack of pace that saw at least one promising break-out come to nothing. 7/10

16) Kyle Cooper. Came on very briefly as a replacement for Burden and wasn’t really on long enough to be rated.
17) Eugene van Staden. Struggled to assert himself and was part of the front row that conceded three tight heads. 4/10
18) Jandre Marais. Did what was expected of him and continues to grow in confidence and stature. 6/10
19) Francois Kleinhans. A busy player with a high work-rate who doesn’t look out of his depth at this level, despite his age. 6/10
20) Cobus Reinach. Not on long enough to be rated.
21) Jacques-Louis Potgieter. A solid performance from a solid player, who had few opportunities played out of position in the back three. 6/10
22) Sbu Sithole. Not on long enough to be rated.



88 Comments

  • I also watched this on live streaming and share your thoughts on the presentation – the cherry on the cake coming when with the last scrum of the game looming they cross to Sias for more of his handouts.

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.07.11 10:09:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Difficult to rate. They played like individuals, rather than a team.

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.07.11 10:11:33 by mikey Reply

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  • Regarding Keegan, to me it seemed as if as the game wore on he was relying more and more heavily on Stef in decision making and rallying of the troops. As the game went on it seemed as if Stefan was the decision maker. I may have read it incorrectly but thats how it appeared to me.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.07.11 10:15:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Skeate can get another point. I thought he was very good the home game through, at times it appeared he was battling along on his own. Good on defence.

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.07.11 10:17:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • The worrying thing here is that the Tribune reports that Freddie limped off and team doc sais that he is only 50/50 for Saturday :(
    Also its now about time that we blood a youngster @12 surely they can’t be worse that Bosman?! He has had more than sufficient time to start delivering :evil:

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.07.11 10:22:49 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Is there going to be a Bok team rating?

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.07.11 10:40:47 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Show Bosman the door! I’ve seen enough!

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.07.11 10:56:31 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 7) : it’s getting hard to keep the faith now, I’ll agree…

    Although he does do one or two good things in most games… but he’s just not sticking out as a quality player.

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.07.11 11:04:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Yeah jeez I don’t like being loke this but really, how many chances does he want?

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.07.11 11:21:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : The worrying thing is that if he’s not making the grade at CC level, what’s the chances of him making it in SR 2012? I honestly feel that we know what we have (or more to the point, don’t have) in Bosman; time to evaluate and develop alternatives.

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.07.11 11:30:11 by Culling Song Reply
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  • To think people pissed about Fred coming back to the sharks.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.07.11 11:36:59 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • You guys are being unfair on Bosman. Against Free State on Saturday I want him and Joubert there, not 2 greenhorns next to each other.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.07.11 11:37:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 11) : Not me HB, not me, never.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.07.11 11:38:39 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 12) : Unfair how?

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.07.11 11:40:20 by Ben Reply
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  • I dont think Bosman was as bad as he is being painted here.

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.07.11 11:46:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 12) : Please note that I am not advocating throwing out both centres, merely that we make developing an alternative/understudy to Bosman a serious priority. It’ll take a few more games before I start moaning about Joubert; he is new to the team after all

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.07.11 11:48:03 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 15) : Did you watch the Bulls game? How about the whole Super 15. Didn’t watch the Pumas game so can’t comment on that.

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.07.11 11:52:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : But from what I read here, he was kak in the Pumas game as well.

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.07.11 11:54:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 15) : Even if, for the sake of argument, Bosman is being portrayed unfairly, we still can’t go into Super Rugby with only one inside centre; so let’s develop a second option!

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.07.11 11:56:29 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 16) : None of the Sharks really had a good game, our scrum struggled and were under pressure. Bosman, in my view, did a lot right, he broke the line on more than one occassion and his defence was not bad. The whole teams defence was actually good consdering how much of it they had to do and considering that the one try scored against them was from turn over ball and against the run of play. I know Bosmans slipped tackle in the Bulls game is still fresh in everyones minds but even in that game he did lots of good things as well.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.07.11 11:58:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : see above.

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.07.11 12:00:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 21) : I disagree he makes far too many mistakes.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.07.11 12:03:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : I actually think Bosman has shown big improvments as the Super 15 went on and thats one of the main reasons why I wouldnt “show him the door”

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.07.11 12:03:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : Expanding on my post no. 19, we all know that success in Super Rugby is going to require squad depth. We are well stocked in the front row, loosies, flyhalf and back three departments. Lock and scrumhalf is slightly less well covered, but manangeable. Centres remain an area of concern where we need to ensure that our backup players are up to the demands if S15.

    By the way, would you ever have guessed that succession planning is a big issue for me at work at the moment? :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.07.11 12:04:30 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :
    Who do you want to replace him with?

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.07.11 12:05:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 24) : Absolutely, and it is now that everyone on the fringes should be getting a run and getting a feel for the bigger time. Incidently, I dont recall Bosman being subbed and maybe that alone tells one what Plum felt of his contribution in a very tight game.

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.07.11 12:09:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 25) : I think JLP will do a better job at 12.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.07.11 12:10:33 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 27) : Considering that JLP is a flyhalf, you must really think Bosman is shyte if you would rather have him there.

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.07.11 12:15:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 28) : Glad you see my point.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.07.11 12:19:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : I agree with some of what you say, but his defence was again poor… made 3 tackles, missed 3 tackles.

    I’m actually fine with most of the stuff Meyer does on attack, although I think his communication and vision need to improve. His defence, though, has been poor the last two weeks and really needs to improve. We can’t keep making excuses about that aspect, I feel.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.07.11 12:22:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : I see it, but dont agree with it.

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.07.11 12:23:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Can that be right, he had to make 6 tackles.

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.07.11 12:25:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 32) : well – that’s what the Verusco stats say… not beyond the bounds of probability that they are inaccurate, though.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.07.11 12:37:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Perhaps he needs to chat to Louis Ludik and have a session or two with Doc Calder.

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.07.11 14:00:00 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 34) : yes! Exactly what I thought as I was typing that up

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.07.11 14:05:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • Daar is iets wat ek nie altyd verstaan nie. Daar is hoogtepunte gewys uit die Puma wedstryd, en daarop het Meyer 2 keer getackle, en alwys was dodelik. Waar kom die statistiek vandaan dat hy 3 keer getackle het, en 3 gemis. Is daar dalk mense wat sekere spelers uitsoek om net te kritiseer? Ondersteun eerder as om altyd net te kritiseer

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.07.11 15:16:32 by springbok Reply

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  • @springbok (Comment 36) : go check these stats here…

    http://www.ruggastats.com/games.aspx?G=306

    Trust me, I’m not trying to slate anyone unfairly… just according to the stats I saw, Meyer missed 3. I watched then whole game too and saw Meyer miss those tackles with my own eyes. You, clearly, just watched the highlights…

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.07.11 15:43:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @springbok (Comment 36) : ek dink jy verstaan verkeerd, die stats se hy het 3 tackles gemaak, en dan nog 3 gemis, so 6 geprobeer-3 goed -3 sleg

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.07.11 17:40:35 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 38) : oh – is that what he was on about?

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.07.11 18:26:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 38) : Franna, veduidelik tog net vi die arme siel mooi! :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.07.11 18:58:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @springbok:niemand val meyer bosman aan nie.weet watse talentvolle speler hy is.ongelukkig het hy nog nie die spelpeil bereik waarnatoe hy in staat is nie.maar sodra hy doen,dan kan ek jou verseker sal almal hier op sw skree vir hom in bokspan te wees.alles hang af van die speler.meyer bosman het dit in hom om vir die bokspan uit te draf..

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.07.11 19:17:58 by bergshark Reply

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  • We’re going to be light in locks dept for next year’s sr.unfortunate that mostert decided to go to france.big blow.couldve and shouldve been one of the senior locks in the comp next season-especially looking at sa conference.

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.07.11 19:38:38 by bergshark Reply

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  • We need to get frans steyn back at sharks-that would give us two good options at 12.also perhaps jlp?

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.07.11 19:40:42 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 40) : eke probeer :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.07.11 19:53:13 by Franshark Reply
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  • Well here is one game where I won’t be able to tune you Rob about the ratings coz I never watched the game! :mrgreen:

    I will just say that if Michalak was the difference between attack and defeat, shouldn’t he get at least a 9??? :grin:

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.07.11 20:25:18 by The Sharks Sharkie Reply
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  • only watched highlights, but it didn’t look good on a shorter version. The Sharks really have minnow complex.

    Will be interesting to see whether Bosman will once again find his way to the starting line-up for Cheetahs game. The more I watch him the more I want JLP to start at 12 :twisted:

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.07.11 09:17:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 45) : perhaps his score was the reflection of the difference between winning and loosing ie. 2 points ie.low :lol:

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.07.11 09:18:09 by rekinek Reply
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  • @The Sharks Sharkie (Comment 45) : go check the stats article… Fred was lucky to get an 8 based on the number of errors.

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.07.11 09:22:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : By the same token would you then say Bosman was unlucky to get a 4.

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.07.11 09:31:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) : yes, maybe… maybe.

    Don’t get me wrong – I really do appreciate what you’re trying to do here with Meyer and nothing would please more more than to see him come right in a big way. He just seems to make his mistakes at the worst possible times, though. Maybe it’s just bad luck?

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.07.11 09:40:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : can bad luck be so repetitive. is it still a bad luck then :roll:

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.07.11 09:42:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 51) : then it becomes bad karma :)

    Maybe Meyer ran over a puppy, or something?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : :lol:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : You misunderstand me, Im not trying to do anything here except call it as I saw it. I honestly dont think Bosman was bad on Friday night and your link to the stats prove that in a big way, as other than the 3 missed tackles (?) his stats are good.
    Regarding the mistakes he made at crucial stages, I dont remember them can you help me as they must have led to points against us.

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.07.11 10:16:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) : I remember at least two occasions where Meyer threw out a speculative pass after making a break that went straight to a Pumas player… might not have resulted in points for them, but certainly cost us points

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  • @rekinek (Comment 53) :
    Smile now for karma awaits you on 17 August.

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.07.11 10:18:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Did he have anyone to pass to, did he have any support around that would have helped secure the ball and not have resulted in giving a penalty away. There are many variables, what does it help making a line break when no one goes with the player. Damned if you do damned if you dont.

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.07.11 10:21:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Anyway what really gets my goat is that people that did not even see the game make qualified opinions on the different players and their performances.

    Maybe we just want Bosman/JLP to fail while seeing no wrong in what others do.

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.07.11 10:25:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) : :shock: now you start scaring me :lol:

    i know, i know with my karma we will have Meyer or JLP at the table. So much for Freddie talking foreign :mrgreen:

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  • @rekinek (Comment 59) : Or even both. :twisted:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 60) : :twisted: I guess both of them being Afrikaans I can at least have “talking foreign” :mrgreen:

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  • @rekinek (Comment 61) : Once upon a time Afrikaans was pretty foreign in Durban…except on the beachfront during the school holidays.

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.07.11 11:12:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 57) : 2 points, from my side…

    1) I DID watch the game, but obviously took different points/opinions away from it than you did.
    2) I’ve always been quite clear that the player ratings article is subjective. I do it first, without the benefit of the stats (although in this case, I did check the tackle stats before writing it to make sure that my perception that Meyer had missed a few wasn’t wrong). The “by the numbers” article that I write afterwards is driven purely on stats and is not subjective.

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.07.11 11:38:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : Sorry Rob, not having a go at you at all, I know you watched it and was not implying that you hadn’t, see the first comment on this thread for confitmation. And as someone that did watch it you are fully entitled to call it as you saw it.

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.07.11 12:00:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) : I went to war for Meyer earlier in the season on Twitter when nobody would give an inch and still have the scars.

    He’s not a bad player, but I expect more from him in this watered-down competition. His class should be showing against the sort of centres he’s playing against at the moment and I’m just not seeing enough of it.

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.07.11 13:02:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : That applies to many of the players. I dont think Meyer was that bad and the stats, other than the 3 missed tackles, seem to bear that out. But yes he and Marius Joubert and Fred should be standing out.

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.07.11 13:24:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : touchy :lol:
    the problem with Meyer is the he was consistently mediocre and consistently porous on defence. This coupled with his consistent selection is mind boggling and never mind what good he did (yes he had some nice touches I will admit but none of them strokes of brilliance) he has bee consistently disappointing.
    Perhaps, we expected something more from a springbok and somebody actually bought/ poached from another union than a mere mediocre Currie Cup player.

    And don’t tell me that he did not have enough time to prove himself.

    Anyway, if Salmo wants to defend him – at his own risk.

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.07.11 14:33:31 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 66) : but for this missed tackles – he might as well not be there :mrgreen:

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  • @rekinek (Comment 67) :
    @rekinek (Comment 68) : Its a pity that you didnt see the game. He was really not that bad. Go and have a look at these stats http://www.ruggastats.com/games.aspx?G=306 and see what I mean.

    As to why he is being picked now and in the Super 14, thats easy, its because the coaches dont have any one better in that position.

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.07.11 15:05:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 69) : i had a feeling you would say that :lol: Did I mentioned that the highlies were over 1h long. I can say that I watched enough of the man already. The truth is that I really want him to perform for the Sharks (and my mental health state) sake.

    BTW what’s up with this karma- are you talking to Fred’s granny through some medium :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.07.11 16:40:17 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 69) : you’re right that his stats are not bad (especially in comparison to Joubert’s one – another costly import for only the coaches know why).

    how do I get to the stats from Bulls game?

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.07.11 16:48:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 71) : Go to the home page, click on the Currie Cup logo, then select the Bulls, then select the game you want the stats for.

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.07.11 17:03:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 71) : If you saw an hour of highlights then its about 20 minutes more than what I saw. Iw as treated to Sias du Plessis handing out SS paraphanalia to the crowd most of the time. :twisted:

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.07.11 17:07:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 72) : dankie :razz:

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.07.11 17:09:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 69) : yip – meyer improved (he had 5 missed tackles in Bulls games). Our centres disregarding combinations are leaking tries :shock:

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.07.11 17:13:06 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 75) : Now you are beating Megatrons drum. Only 2 tries have been scored against us so far, admittedly one through a missed Bosman tackle. Im not defending Bosman blindly here, Im just disputing what is being said about him in this game and in my opinion his performance has been a big step up from the Bulls game and I feel that he would appreciate that acknowledgement.

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.07.11 17:26:56 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 76) : acknowledgement for a step up from the game against the Bulls to the game against the Pumas :shock: sorry, I don’t think so. If it was the other way around I would see your point.

    and this game was not even in the freezing Witbank :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.07.11 17:35:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 76) : Dude for him to make a step up against the Pumas is to be expected. They aren’t the best team are they. The problem is, if he can’t even the Pumas players properly what will happen when the WP centres start running at him.

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.07.11 18:14:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 78) : didn’t we see that movie in super XV :roll:

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.07.11 18:16:39 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 78) : I meant to say if he can’t even tackle the Pumas players properly.

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.07.11 18:16:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 79) : Yes most of the SupeRugby season Meyer showed us what a brilliant defender he is! :roll:

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.07.11 18:21:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 77) : @Ben (Comment 78) : We beat the Pumas by 1 point, we destroyed the Bulls – Bosman is meant to walk on water in this game, because its the Pumas, while the rest of the team comes out unscathed. Methinks you guys are biased.

    Anyway this Puma team is still going to hurt many other teams, especially at home.

  • Comment 82, posted at 27.07.11 08:15:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 82) : the sharks were bad against the Pumas. All of them (including Freddy) – happy ? ;-)

    as you read (I assume you read my posts) the basis of my complaint against Meyer is consistently mediocre. Cannot say the same about Fred or Keegan so I am not going to apologise for being more lenient on them for having a bad game. :twisted:

  • Comment 83, posted at 27.07.11 08:51:53 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 83) : And my argument is that Bosman has been improving and should be encouraged.

    So the consistant high achievers who fade (by their standards) against a “weak” Puma team are OK but someone that has been battling but, improving gets, the personal attacks. It should be the other way around.

  • Comment 84, posted at 27.07.11 09:01:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 84) : improving ? perhaps our time-frame is different. The guy had entire super rugby competition and 2 games of CC now. How long do you want to give him?

  • Comment 85, posted at 27.07.11 09:05:50 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 85) : I think he is nearly there. :mrgreen:
    Who do you want to replace him with, Ben wants JLP, I somehow dont think you will agree.

  • Comment 86, posted at 27.07.11 09:09:35 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 86) : i hope you are right – for the Sharks’ sake I have been so hoping for the last few months. To be frank I am not excited by JLP either but he is same lukewarm as Bosman and it will not be a change for worse – if anything he’s somewhat better tackler – just please do not ask him to kick.

    The first prize is to put there some committed youngster.

  • Comment 87, posted at 27.07.11 13:36:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 86) : i have to agree with you, i mean, i ussually use the example of Andries Strauss. a few season (not that long) ago, i could not see for the life of my why the sharks would keep him, he was slow, didnt defend well and could not govern a backline, NOW i can see what the coaches after all saw in him. and thats the glimpses that i see in bosman. i feel, in a matter of time, he will come good, but to also be fair to the rest of you guys, his time is running out.

    a coach`s job is on the line, and if his team does not perform, he`s out, no time to give guys a few seasons to settle.

  • Comment 88, posted at 27.07.11 14:17:46 by VanWilder Reply

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