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Get ready for 3D Pat


Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 26 Jul 2011 at 08:56
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Following on from Sharon’s punting of the ‘greatest talent ever to come from South of the Equator’ Pat Lambie will more than likely start against New Zealand on Saturday.

Gio Aplon has been ruled out of this weekend’s test against the All Blacks which means we may just see Morne Steyn vacate the flyhalf position that has been set aside by the Rugby gods since the beginning of time. Yes mense, Pat Lambie, also known as Super PAT, wait… I must get this right…. Ahem, SuperPat, will PROBABLY start at 10 with Morne Steyn moving to fullback considering there’s no regular fullback in the squad and a replacement has not been called up.

So lets hope our forwards manage to dominate the All Blacks (I aint holding my breath though) which may just allow Lambie to continue where he left off against the Wobblies.

Sharon: When you read this, I hope I’ve done your ‘cub’ justice with this article :wink:



151 Comments

  • Bwahahahaha, nice one! :lol:

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.07.11 08:58:19 by molly Reply
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  • Don’t you think they would rather play Lambie at fullback ( like vs. Barbarians last year ) or even try Odwa at the back.

    Just saying, seems to be a more logical, probable situation. :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.07.11 09:07:55 by Ossa Reply

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  • :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.07.11 09:08:21 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Ossa (Comment 2) :

    The ‘logical’ thing would be to send Morne Steyn back to the Republic but we all know that aint happenin!! ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.07.11 09:10:57 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ossa (Comment 2) : my thinking exactly. I thought that Steyn and Pienaar had few nice exchanges on saturday. The only big problem with Steyn really was that nobody told him that he was supposed to tackle as well :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.07.11 09:11:50 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : :lol: agreed

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.07.11 09:11:55 by Ossa Reply

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  • The sad truth is that Pat will probably go to fullback and we’ll be left with the same limp backline as this weekend with the one trick pony at flyhalf.

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.07.11 09:12:00 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Ossa (Comment 2) : Good point, Elton at Flyhalf and Lambie at FB ;-) haha, it could go either way, but I think you’re right, more likely Lambie at FB than Morne.

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.07.11 09:12:48 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 4) : @Ossa (Comment 6) : Rather just leave him in NZ, seems a better option

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.07.11 09:13:01 by Ossa Reply

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  • It doesn’t make any sense to play Morne at 15. You have Pat and Odwa who can play there. BUT, if I had a choice on who should start at 10 it would most definitely be SuperPat. You go boy!!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.07.11 09:13:49 by Viking Reply
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  • @Ossa (Comment 9) :

    I would have Pat at 10 and Morne move to fullback cos with Pat we stand a chance of scoring tries.

    Surely the less involved Steyn is the better our chances!! :???:

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.07.11 09:21:41 by wpw Reply
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  • I’d be happiest with Pat at 10, Oddy at 15 and Steyn on the wood

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.07.11 09:23:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 11) : are you sure you want Morne to be your last line of defence :lol:

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.07.11 09:23:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : but who would do the kicking. i have my reservation on Pat’s abilities in this department under pressure.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.07.11 09:24:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • Wes, quick question… not to question your journalistic insight, but do you have any sort of “inside info” suggesting that Steyn might be moved to fullback?

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.07.11 09:25:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 14) : you don’t beat the all blacks by kicking penalties, especially not with Steyn impersonating a revolving door on defence…

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.07.11 09:27:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : You don’t, but you will never win if you don’t kick your penalties.

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.07.11 09:31:43 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : i thought boks did exactly that in 2009 :twisted: thrice :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.07.11 09:32:01 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 17) : @robdylan (Comment 16) : and conversions.

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.07.11 09:32:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 13) :

    good point!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.07.11 09:37:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 17) : if the All Blacks run right though Steyn for 5 tries, I doubt he’ll kick enough penalties to make up the difference…

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.07.11 09:41:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Could someone show us some stats regarding goal kicking performance in the S15? Who was the best kicker? Then we can compare the incumbents of the TriNations teams to their replacements.

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.07.11 09:42:32 by Ossa Reply

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  • @Ossa (Comment 22) : And something I picked up over the weekend…

    Lambie improved his goal kicking by 27% in the last year :lol:
    He was 1 out of 3 (33%) then kicked 2 from 2, thus he is now 3 from 5( 60% )

    I say this tongue in cheek of course

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.07.11 09:45:15 by Ossa Reply

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  • @Ossa (Comment 22) : the best was …Peter Grant.

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.07.11 09:46:29 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Ossa (Comment 22) : Peter Grant was the best kicker… that much I know. Best kicker in the comp, not just the SA Conference.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.07.11 09:48:28 by molly Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 24) : how did Steyn and Lambie stack up against one another?

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.07.11 09:52:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • If Steyn plays 15 all he will be is the last line instead of the last line of defense :twisted:

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.07.11 09:52:56 by Viking Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 24) : @molly (Comment 25) : Then he must be a certainty for the Boks, how far is Japan from NZ? :lol:

    Point I am trying to make is that the fact that someone is a high percentage kicker does not make him a flyhalf. I you use that as the only criteria, then why is Grant not the Bok flyhalf? At least he can defend and attack better than Steyn

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.07.11 09:53:55 by Ossa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Lambie was a btter kicker than Steyn for most of the S15 but I am not sure how his last 2 games affected his stats compared to Steyn… :???:

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.07.11 09:54:10 by Viking Reply
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  • @Ossa (Comment 28) : Grant’s a better flyhalf than Steyn, I’ll give him that.

    Resisting the temptation to add that my 84-year-old gran is too… :)

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.07.11 09:55:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 27) : :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.07.11 09:57:48 by Ossa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : not sure where to find the stats.

    Where I see problem with Lambie is that he did not slot his pressure kicks, the last penalty against Bulls in the first game, then in quarters.

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.07.11 09:59:04 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : how are her kicking stats :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.07.11 09:59:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 33) : :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.07.11 10:10:08 by Franshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Sound a bit like Geoff Boycott there! :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.07.11 10:10:39 by Greg Reply

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  • It’s snowing in Newcastle. I’ve stayed home to play with my four year old. Having lots of fun.

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.07.11 10:14:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • i just love sarugby and their fans, they all obsess over the same players but their neuroses are often diametrically opposed :cool:

    taken from somewhere supplied by a SuperPat hater hahaha

    Lambie
    56:00 – Restart. Aus kick into touch. Lineout on half way.
    57:00 – Lambie to Deysel. Stopped dead
    Boks rumble into Aus 22, Lambie nt involved with it
    57:40 – Lambie receives ball in Aus 22. Crabs to the right dummies, gets taken to ground
    58:02 – Lambie penalty out for lineout in Aus 22
    Boks maul it from lineout, Chiliboy scores a try. Lambie not involved

    62:28 – Lambie sits deep, passes to Olivier who is, again, very deep, Boks curalled and stopped losing ground in the process.
    62:36 – Lambie gets in on the short side, sets up Mvovo for a tackle.
    65:00 – Lambie kicks penalty into touch for lineout
    66:17 – Lambie sitting very deep again, passes to Adi who is literally right next to him! Aussies swarm
    all over Adi, but at least he took it to the line!
    66:33 – Attempted kick into touch from ruck outside Bok 22. Beale collects.
    67:55 – Lambie collects and chips, chip charged down. A real let-off as Aus knock-on with numbers
    69:19 – Bok scrum. Skip-pass by Lambie to Adi deep. Aus in no real danger

    70:00 – Bok scrum. Lambie very deep, another skip-pass to Adi. Knock on. Aus under no pressure
    71:43 – Big burst by Aplon, gives it to Lambie who is tackled. Loses ball in contact. Turnover Aus
    72:18 – Lambie inside pass to Adi. Boks don’t even gain an inch here
    75:25 – Bok try. Lambie not present in any phase of play
    77:03 – Lambie deep again, in Bok 22, passes to de Jongh. Aus just cural Boks into touchline
    77:25 – Lambie takes it to the line, gets well wrapped up and turned over. Aus nearly through for try
    78:50 – Bok scrum, Bok 22. Lambie receives it on 3rd phase. takes it to the line, thumped to the deck
    nearly turned over
    79:59 – Lambie to Roussouw, Roussouw well behind the gainline

    verdict: Lambie failed in his fifth consecutive test. Another loser with no future as an adequate player

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.07.11 10:18:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : amazing that someone took the time to actually type that shit up…

    was it Willem?

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.07.11 10:20:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : what does “cural” mean?

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  • Rob, could you ask Ruckingoodstats? He has all that probability of success things that he takes into consideration… Could give a good indication of who are the best kickers, based on the s15

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.07.11 10:28:15 by Ossa Reply

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  • Pat will more likely run out at 15, not 10.

  • Comment 41, posted at 26.07.11 10:28:55 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : i have no bloody idea, i reckon he mant to say corral, which means being rounded up & held ie being gang-tackled by a bunch of aussies :???:

  • Comment 42, posted at 26.07.11 10:29:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : What a load of [email protected]… And you took the time to find this and bothered to post it in this site. Pppfffft….

  • Comment 43, posted at 26.07.11 10:30:32 by Viking Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : well, one could see it that way or read it as the antithesis of sharon’s type of writing :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 26.07.11 10:31:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 43) : what about waht was written there bothered you much? :cool:

  • Comment 45, posted at 26.07.11 10:32:17 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : This is Sharksworld. You wont get a more blinlered opinion in Lambies favour than here.

    BTW on Keos poll as to who should start at 10 in Wellington Morne Steyn has 1109 votes as opposed to Pats 842.

  • Comment 46, posted at 26.07.11 10:36:11 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 44) : Is antithesis the same as antidote.

  • Comment 47, posted at 26.07.11 10:38:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 45) : The way this guy makes it sound like every single mistake is bacause of Lambie and everything that worked or was done well because he was not involved. Typical one eyed look on things if you ask me.

  • Comment 48, posted at 26.07.11 10:38:53 by Viking Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 46) : i’m very much aware :razz: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 26.07.11 10:43:54 by Megatron Reply

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  • ok, finally found the stats:
    1. Peter Grant 84.7%
    2. Aaron Cruden 80%
    3. Sias Ebersohn 79.3%
    4. Morne Steyn 79%
    5. Matt Giteau 78.9%
    6. Pat Lambie 76.7%

  • Comment 50, posted at 26.07.11 10:44:10 by molly Reply
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  • WPW , sorry its late, but nice article, :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 26.07.11 10:44:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 47) : more or less antithesis – the complete or exact opposite of something, antidote – a substance that counteracts the effects of a toxin

  • Comment 52, posted at 26.07.11 10:45:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 48) :

    Its called an opinion. :roll:

    Ek sé maar net!! ;-)

  • Comment 53, posted at 26.07.11 10:45:32 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 51) :

    :shock: :twisted:

  • Comment 54, posted at 26.07.11 10:46:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 50) : thanks Molls

  • Comment 55, posted at 26.07.11 10:47:39 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 52) : :twisted: I know but I think antidote might also work here….both will leave the “taker” more balanced.

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.07.11 10:48:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 48) : but did you read Sharon’s ode to 3D Pat? to a lambie hater that must’ve been nauseating heheheheehehehe

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.07.11 10:50:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 55) : cool banana’s, quite a big percentage gap between 5 and 6.

  • Comment 58, posted at 26.07.11 10:50:21 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 53) : Maar dit is ‘n [email protected] een. Ek se ook maar net ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 26.07.11 10:50:25 by Viking Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 54) : Why the surprise, I really liked the way it was written. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 26.07.11 10:50:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 50) : Your sauce? Does he do the POS analysis, probability of success

  • Comment 61, posted at 26.07.11 10:51:20 by Ossa Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 50) : Thanks Mols :razz: where did you get them?

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.07.11 10:52:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) : True but I still like it more. :lol:

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.07.11 10:52:08 by Viking Reply
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  • @Ossa (Comment 61) & @rekinek (Comment 62) : Its from another fan site, kinda hoping its accurate.

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.07.11 10:57:27 by molly Reply
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  • Ja I know, it does what it says on the tin, but I am rather fascinated by the praise heaped on young Pat when he is yet to be tested at the highest level in a high pressure position and where in the Super 15, although very, very decent, also seem to lose his way a bit for a while suggesting that although he has all the ability or promise to become very good at 10, he is far from a world class test player.

    I find the comparisons to Cooper specifically interesting.

    Now Quade has been around for a couple of seasons, in the beginning a hot head and liability, but has shown this year that he has developed an all round game which is lethal in both Super Rugby and test rugby.

    I do not have to tell any of you how dangerous Cooper is with ball in hand, the whole Super Rugby season is there for you to see this.

    I would like to however remind you of the game against the Stormers.

    Back on the shelf was the hot-headed, crazy passing Cooper and out came a flyhalf who dictated the pace of the game to perfection, including brilliantly executed tactical plays and kicks.

    It was amazing to see how Cooper controlled the game. Slowing it down when he needed to, attacking space when it was on, but most important showing an appreciation for game situation on the day.

    Game awareness and the tactical appreciation for that makes for a more complete flyhalf and player.

    Pat can kick as well as Cooper, he can also run as well as Cooper, distribute as well as Cooper and do everything as well as Cooper. The difference between young Pat and Cooper at this point however, is knowing when to do all this.

    Young Pat has all the goods, and I will have him in my World Cup squad without a doubt, but he is far from the finished article in my opinion.

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  • i’m just thinking talking WC – how many tries are we expecting to score. It is gonna be a kicking game unfortunately most of the time and especially in the final if we manage to get there.

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  • @rekinek (Comment 66) : to think it will be a “kicking game” is folly, graham henry has come out and said, in modern rugby the sides hoping to kick to a world cup victory are in trouble cos it won’t happen.

    look at the difference in tries scored between 2009 tri-nations & last year. in 2009 the boks – even with their skop n jag gameplan – were the only team to earn a bonus point win agaisnst the aussies. in 2010, we got got belted by four tries, in the FIRST game in NZ already and the trend continued.

    how many kickable penalty opportunities did we get last saturday?

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.07.11 11:24:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : i haven’t seen lambie show as much flair as cooper, in fact i reckon he doesn’t possess it. the sublime reverse passes cooper was making against the highlanders last year, lambie doesn’t even dream about. lambie is more carter than cooper – less showboat and more consistency & sound skill.

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.07.11 11:29:02 by Megatron Reply

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  • I was also going to write a detailed minute by minute version of how Seyn caused every miss tackle, every try against the boks and every penalty starting from last years 32-12 loss to the All Blacks in Aukland. It would not be complete if we didn’t include his participation our 31-17 loss in Wellington, our 30-13 loss in Brisbane, 22-29 loss against AB in JHB, our 39-41 loss against the Aussies in Bloem, every Bulls game this year and of course, the first 56 min this weekends game!! But my fingers started cramping up and I needed to sleep after a 38hr marathon on the first 10 min of the first game.

    Lets face it, a pressure kicker in useless if you’re not close enough in score to have a pressure kick!! Pat has a long way to go to become a Dan Carter or Quade Cooper, but he is already better than Morne Steyn. Maybe he will never reach those heights, but at least he makes the defence mark him, give’s his outside runners options, and his goal kicking is steadily improving. With Braams’s help, he will be 80%+ kicker. If Braam can help Quade, he can work wonders with Pat who has all the potential, but none of the self confidence frailties of previous Bok flyhalf hopefulls, Ruan and Gaffie.

    Give the kid a run at flyhalf, the worst that could happen is that he misses a kick or two. With a retreating Bok pack, we’re not going to win this weekend, so let him mature into the position without performance pressure. We know what Morne offers, and he has also played the most this Super 15.

  • Comment 69, posted at 26.07.11 12:22:47 by Gaff Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 42) : that’s what I figured as well… a pretty poor attempt to spell it, let’s be honest :)

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.07.11 12:49:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Play pienaar at fullback with lambie at 10 and mcleod at 9.I would like to see ebershohn or murray + strauss at 12 ,especially vs allblacks.

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.07.11 13:07:46 by Talent Reply
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  • and with everyone saying peinaar would prefer to play at 9, well he has a good chance to start at 15 should any midfielder get injured as frans steyn would end up fulling that void.

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  • @Gaff (Comment 69) : Its also a defeatest attitude ,morne steyn kicking is only good aslong as the opp are making mistakes

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  • What bothers me the most about SA rugby is that we stifle creativity. Only recently have our domestic coaches chosen more creative halfbacks, and maybe that might have something to do with Kiwis coaching in SA.

    If Quade Cooper had been a South African plying his trade locally, then he never would have reached the heights he has today. He would probably be 3rd in line at the Bulls touching up on his kicking while being lambasted for passing the ball inside without looking while upside down in a tackle facing the wrong way!

    Fortunately there is light on the horizon. Pat leads the group of up and coming flyhalves that offer just a little more. Just last year, Sias was warming the bench at the Cheetahs behind a good kicking flyhalf. This year, he was given an opportunity to show his skills. Of course creativity isn’t everything. A quick glimpse at Spencer’s career shows that you also need to be consistant, reliable, and have a good kick (from hand and the tee) to make it as an international flyhalf. Kicking you can coach, BMT, consistancy and unpredicability you can’t.

    Here I am hoping that the powers that be allow this wind of change to blow into the Springbok ranks. Rugby has changed, the laws are blown differently and some have been adapted and the type of general to run proceedings must also adapt.

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.07.11 13:17:08 by Gaff Reply

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  • Deon Stegmann attended 42 rucks on Saturday!! The most by any player from both teams.

    He also made the most tackles – 14, two of those being missed tackles.

    If he was a Sharks player would people still be so critical??

    Of course not!! :roll:

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  • @wpw (Comment 75) : None so blind as he who does not want to see ;-)

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.07.11 13:37:49 by diablo Reply

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  • Wont it be more likely for Pat to start at 15 with Steyn remaining at flyhalf?

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 77) : I reckon thats what they’ll do…but my wish would be Pat @ 10 and Odwa @ 15..

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.07.11 13:52:48 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 78) : With Steyn on the bench, the airplane’s bench :mrgreen:

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 79) : so iets ja! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.07.11 13:57:05 by Ice Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 75) :

    I attended school about 2000 times in my life, still didn’t make me an A student… :lol: :twisted:

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.07.11 14:02:49 by Morné Reply
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    Ouch!! :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.07.11 14:13:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 81) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.07.11 14:13:53 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 67) : last saturday was not WC knock off stages. Sadly (as it is boring ) i really think come to the crunch games and we will have kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, kick ….kick…kick :roll:

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.07.11 14:37:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 84) : nope, in the super rugby final which is the pinnacle of southern hemisphere provincial rugby – the game wasn’t decided on kicks.

    dominate the collisions, exploit counter-attacking opportunities, be switched on – heads up rugby – & be ready to vary your play when the need arises and you won’t be holding thumbs that the other team makes mistakes in their half so that you can unleash morne

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.07.11 14:59:05 by Megatron Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 75) : oh my word, Jean Deysel made 2 tackles and missed 1, but he MUST start next week…. :twisted:

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.07.11 16:17:57 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 75) : question, how many of those were defensive rucks?

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.07.11 16:30:48 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 85) : “the pinnacle of southern hemisphere provincial rugby” – you’ve said it. The test rugby is somewhat different and was always less festive than super rugby. In WC you will not only have Aussies and SA and NZ but also plenty of northern hemisphere teams that will rely on kicking. The defences will be tighter. So I am sticking with the kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, kick ……kick

    ……
    kick
    ….kick

    (if I’m wrong I will blame it on my crystal ball – got scratched when i dropped it :lol:

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.07.11 16:44:13 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 87) : 6, what do you read into that?

  • Comment 89, posted at 26.07.11 16:49:36 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 75) : and he did not receive a yellow card. really guy deserves a credit :twisted:

  • Comment 90, posted at 26.07.11 16:51:38 by rekinek Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 89) : his commitment on defence ? weird to think that there were so many attacking rucks and so little points to boks.

  • Comment 91, posted at 26.07.11 16:53:05 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 91) : you could also read that he was busy tackling, not attending rucks.

  • Comment 92, posted at 26.07.11 16:54:42 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 92) : true. how does his tackling stat compare to others (and not deysel the replacement) ?

  • Comment 93, posted at 26.07.11 16:56:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 93) : He made a tie for most tackles (14), along with Ruan. Next best were Flip, Ashley and Basson with 9, showing how much we missed Flip considering how short his time on the field was.

  • Comment 94, posted at 26.07.11 17:01:39 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 94) : surprised to see pienaar tied with most tackles, didn’t look such a hardworker in this department.

    look, i don’t like stegman mainly for the amount of penalties he gives away (though must say he was really well behaved this saturday) , but to be frank this is a vice of most loosies that involve in the game (including schalk and keegan).

  • Comment 95, posted at 26.07.11 17:07:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 95) : I’m also not the biggest Stegman fan either, but everyone’s attacking him so much I think a few of us feel it necessary to defend him, he isn’t a Schalk or a (fit) Brussouw, but he is a hassle at the breakdown, and does deserve a tiny bit of respect (I don’t think of Keegan as a breakdown menace, I know this is a view shared by few).

    I was also surprised with Pienaars tackle stats, still thought he was one of the worst on the field on Saturday.

  • Comment 96, posted at 26.07.11 17:29:30 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 96) : i actually thought that pienaar was ok though far from his best, but i see that same raters were not so kind and the stats show under meters gained “-30″ :shock:
    just read some irish opinion that boks looked not to bad barring the midfield that leaked absolutely everything. must say didn’t check the stats to verify this.

  • Comment 97, posted at 26.07.11 17:38:56 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 97) : My memories of him from Sat are this:
    Shoots up out of his line on Quade Cooper, doesn’t make tackle, Cooper breaks line…. Aussies Score
    Box kick out on the full.
    “Clever” Inside pass goes into McCabe hands… a couple phases, Aussies score.
    “Clever” Inside pass while building phases goes to ground, scrum.
    Penalty kick misses touch.

  • Comment 98, posted at 26.07.11 17:48:43 by molly Reply
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  • just so you all know, the Patrick Lambie twitter account is a fake

  • Comment 99, posted at 26.07.11 17:51:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 98) : i’m smiling thinking ” that’s the beaty of the stats that they allow you to argue both ways”. out of 80 sth passes 2 going to the wrong hands is not that bad. plus you could always put some blame onto supporting players – in this case forwards ( the one going to the ground was intended for John Smith) who just don’t expect the ball.

  • Comment 100, posted at 26.07.11 18:28:57 by rekinek Reply
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    omment 4) : Thanks for the homage, Wes! Great stuff. I’m purring my head off!!! :lol: But I think Pat is more likely to start at 15 than have Mr Can-Like-to-Kick at the back.
    Curious about all of the comments re: Cooper. I am a huge Cooper fan but have never really considered his kicking to be his strong point – it’s what he does with the ball and the play he creates that is absolutely astounding.
    In answer to all of the doubting Tom’s – I don’t believe that Pat has reached anywhere near his full potential yet. Right now he’s outclassing Steyn, in my opinion, hands-down. Give him a couple more years and I think he’ll be making the Lambie-haters eat their words. :razz:

  • Comment 101, posted at 26.07.11 18:30:23 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 88) : What happens if there’s no opportunity for kickable penalties? And the kicking factor is taken away from the game? Would you still have Morne in the middle doing his revolving door impersonations when the opposition dashes past him? Any Thomas, Richard or Harry can find touch. Not everyone can tackle hard and create the kind of play from which tries are scored.

  • Comment 102, posted at 26.07.11 18:35:55 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) : There are a bunch of fake FB accounts too.

  • Comment 103, posted at 26.07.11 18:36:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 99) : serious :?:

  • Comment 104, posted at 26.07.11 18:40:21 by Franshark Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 103) : the only sharks one that I’m sceptical about is Beast. You know of any others?

  • Comment 105, posted at 26.07.11 18:44:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 104) : yes. His brother confirmed it’s fake. Pat isn’t on twitter

  • Comment 106, posted at 26.07.11 18:46:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : There are quite a few fake Pat Lambies. Don’t know of any more. Will do some digging. It’s a huge concern to all concerned (!) :lol:
    Seriously – anyone can pretend to be anyone and fool people into thinking they are FB-ing with the real deal. Apparently they are looking into this problem.

  • Comment 107, posted at 26.07.11 18:47:28 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 107) : well – I’m pretty sure I’m friends with the real one on Facebook… but he never uses it, so it’s not like it really matters

  • Comment 108, posted at 26.07.11 18:51:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 107) : don’t know how they could get rid of it but it surely be nice if they can… That’s the main reason I don’t do much FBking and tweeting… :evil:

  • Comment 109, posted at 26.07.11 18:52:20 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 109) : Facebook is a great way to keep in touch with youngsters and fringe players… and a terrible way to try and stalk established stars.

    Trust me… I’ve learned every lesson there is to learn by now :)

  • Comment 110, posted at 26.07.11 18:55:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) : if I’m right MR KSA has landed in SA… A cold Durban is awaiting him… Pokkels wish for the snow realized in Newcastle and now we stuck with the cold :(

  • Comment 111, posted at 26.07.11 18:56:47 by Franshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) : I must say that I was surprised to receive quite an amount of response from Anton when I send him a few tweets… Even told him about the thread a week or two about him on the site and he responded to that…

  • Comment 112, posted at 26.07.11 19:02:48 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 112) : Anton is a very humble young man, with no arrogance about him at all. Some other, more senior players could take a leaf out of his book…

  • Comment 113, posted at 26.07.11 19:06:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 113) : agree :)

  • Comment 114, posted at 26.07.11 19:08:51 by Franshark Reply
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  • All of these social media platforms have their downsides. I see my FB page as a great way to spread the Word, and enlighten my friends, both those I know well and those I don’t, how important it is to know God and be loved by Him. It’s also a chance to network and let people I otherwise don’t have a chance to interact with know what’s cooking.
    But I don’t tweet very much. I honestly don’t have the time. I rarely have time for FB, and sometimes go days, even weeks, without opening it up.
    It’s a valuable viral marketing tool, though. Make no mistake!

  • Comment 115, posted at 26.07.11 19:15:48 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 113) : see, but isn’t the hint in the “young” part, he hasn’t been tainted… yet. Hope it stays that way.

  • Comment 116, posted at 26.07.11 19:16:14 by molly Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 115) : love the comment… So how I find u on FB… Your name?

  • Comment 117, posted at 26.07.11 19:18:10 by Franshark Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 115) : there’s about a hundred of u’s on there… Fakes :)

  • Comment 118, posted at 26.07.11 19:25:10 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 118) : I think it’s just my name. Can’t remember. My pic is on there, same as my SW one…! Lots of fakes, yes! Ha ha ha! :mrgreen:

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 119) : Try Sharon.van.Wyk1

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 102) : i see where you are trying to get. however, my point is that the kicking factor is well and alive and will be even livelier in WC. it’s not who is a better fl discussion but how important kicking will be at WC, imo.

  • Comment 121, posted at 26.07.11 20:08:54 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 121) : OK. So how about this? Where else could we play Morne where he could still kick for posts, but leave the fh duty to someone better than him? Given that kicking doesn’t have to be the fh’s responsibility….?????

  • Comment 122, posted at 26.07.11 20:16:12 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 122) : morne must be dropped and lambie has to improve his kicking!

  • Comment 123, posted at 26.07.11 20:56:20 by Megatron Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 122) : inside centre perhaps – i would not put him as a last line defence. but he needs to up his defensive game really.

  • Comment 124, posted at 26.07.11 21:07:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 123) : hehehe – are you thinking outside the box :twisted:

  • Comment 125, posted at 26.07.11 21:08:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 125) : what box? ;)

  • Comment 126, posted at 26.07.11 21:45:54 by Megatron Reply

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  • Steyn was in a bit of a no win situation with the ashley-cooper try.actually think he did well to get across in cover defence to attempt to make the tackle on ioane.but it wasn’t the best attempt.maybe he was spent by the the time he reached ioane?anyway,a low tackle would not have stopped the try from being scored methinks,so the best option was to try the smother tackle-but that’s easier said or written than done in that situation with the attacking player being someone like ioane.

  • Comment 127, posted at 26.07.11 21:53:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • Morne yes had his worst game ever but we forget that he won us the lions series…I think if I had miesiekind alongside me I would have done the same. Surely by now Steyn should be trying new things. There was not one drop goal attempt by him as Cooper was standing deep on quite a few occasions. The boks started well and we were in their 22 and my game plan would have been to drop a few to bring cooper closer plus Ruan did not put any pressure on Genia ??? Morne I hope will learn by this and its a great thing that we got a little spanking. I hope pdiddy de villiers gets some sense from those around him to induce a game plan of some sort as there clearly was not one against an over flated aussie outback. Maybe swollow a pride pill and phone Jake white for some guidance.

  • Comment 128, posted at 26.07.11 22:36:40 by AlterEgo Reply

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  • The chances of Lambie playing 10 and Steyn at 15 are slimmer than Gwen Stefani’s buttocks!

  • Comment 129, posted at 26.07.11 23:15:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @AlterEgo (Comment 128) : nope we haven’t forgotten that KICKED to win the lions series. it’s not like morne got on the pitch & tore the b&i lions defence to shreds like cooper toyed with the boks last weekend!

    if ronan o’gara had just left fdp to catch the ball & then tackle him, morne wouldn’t have been effective for us. we need a DYNAMIC flyhalf & not just a kicker!

    cooper showed his value to his team without taking one single shot at goal, can morne do that?

    i can’t believe ppl can watch the likes of freddie michalak every weekend and still be satisfied with a robotic – jannie de beer type -flyhalf.

  • Comment 130, posted at 26.07.11 23:46:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • Play butch at 10,frans @12,j fourie @13.lambie @15?might he not be a bit too slow?lambie @10?at this moment in time I will say play butch as firsdt choice 10.just hope he doesn’t get a yellow card.also hope the refs keep an eye on sbw hits-dont rate his def skills.need to get some front foot ball and send a big runner down his channel.or that 3man stampede!

  • Comment 131, posted at 27.07.11 00:06:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • What was butch’s kicking stats in this year’s sr?and he shouldve won that game for lions vs sharks at the death ,if it was not for the commitment of bissie on def to charge down butch’s dropkick.a flyhalf that knows when to take a dropkick and has the ability to also turn that kick into a dropgoal,is always invaluable in any side.lambie should learn to take dropgoals-will make him a much more dangerous proposition at 10 imho.

  • Comment 132, posted at 27.07.11 00:11:38 by bergshark Reply

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  • Butch @10 [email protected] and Lambie @15 play fourie and devillers as a bench pair @13 not forgetting JP as Habana thrives off JP and have Mvovo @11 Dannie Rassouw @8 juan @7 brussow @6 matfield and bakkies bismark def @2 beast and bj bothaI

  • Comment 133, posted at 27.07.11 00:29:43 by AlterEgo Reply

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  • @AlterEgo (Comment 133) : Danie would also be my 1st choice 8 for the WC.

  • Comment 134, posted at 27.07.11 00:36:23 by Ben Reply
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  • Good choice of danie rossouw at 8.remember how effective he was in rwc07.looking at the recent form of spies,I can’t include him in the match 22.

  • Comment 135, posted at 27.07.11 00:43:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • People run butch down far too often yet he was an unsung hero at the 2007 world cup and played well at the lions…plus he is a must against big hitting teams like samoa and fiji and the all blacks if we meet them in semis…tks Ben

  • Comment 136, posted at 27.07.11 00:43:35 by AlterEgo Reply

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  • @AlterEgo (Comment 136) : I agree, Butch would certainly be my 1st choice 10 in the WC. Lambie on the bench. Which would work well for us because Lambie covers a lot of positions in the backline. Lambie will get his time to shine. Not just yet imo.

  • Comment 137, posted at 27.07.11 00:47:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron:comment67: didn’t the all blacks kick the most of all the teams in last year’s 3N comp..?

  • Comment 138, posted at 27.07.11 00:53:50 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Megatron:and I don’t mean conversion kicks ;-)

  • Comment 139, posted at 27.07.11 00:54:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • Lambie @15 he played a great game for the babars not so long ago @15 he has vision and reads a game well…we need youth and eagerness as well as bravery which he has

  • Comment 140, posted at 27.07.11 00:55:13 by AlterEgo Reply

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  • @AlterEgo (Comment 140) : Hopefully we get to see Frans play in the Tri nations. Just to check out his form and to see if he’s in better shape than he was at last years EOYT.

  • Comment 141, posted at 27.07.11 00:59:05 by Ben Reply
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  • Good night folks …:) I need to phone JW so he and pdiddy can kiss and make up and play my selection of bokke he he he he…

  • Comment 142, posted at 27.07.11 01:04:12 by AlterEgo Reply

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  • @AlterEgo (Comment 142) : Cheers… :)

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  • @AlterEgo: good night,squire

  • Comment 144, posted at 27.07.11 01:06:47 by bergshark Reply

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  • Frans is a natural…all teams fear his remarkable far kicking …he reminds me of a better Hugh reece Edwards…scary

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  • Goodnight Leon and Ben :)

  • Comment 146, posted at 27.07.11 01:13:40 by AlterEgo Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 138) : it’s where & when to kick that is the problem…morne’s tactical kicking has been patchy…ruan seemed flaky too kicking on the full early.

    remember the 2nd reds try by ioane in the final? it came from an andy ellis aimless kick just outside his 22 – when he had options to pass to – & was gobbled up by genia, passed to cooper, off to a galloping ioane – line break, more pace, STEP to kill tom marshall & BOOM ioane is doing the shower dance behind the poles.

    McCaw was livid, the all blacks have since said no “more kicking of the ball because you’re under pressure”

    tactical kicking will always be useful in rugby as a strategy but not the ONLY strategy.

  • Comment 147, posted at 27.07.11 01:42:29 by Megatron Reply

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  • “No more kicking of the ball when you’re under pressure”.. Can see a committed defence just swarming the all black who has the ball and tries to run the ball back under pressure.the problem there seems not to be the kicking,but the “aimless” kicking .either kick it out or put it in the air -but so that your own players don’t get caught off side and you have a chance of regaining possesion.but the abs are usually masters themselves of scoring tries from bad kicks.
    Btw nice try by ioane..just a shame about the dance..don’t think it did his chances any goog of beingh invited to aus version of “dancing with the stars”(if they have one).

  • Comment 148, posted at 27.07.11 01:52:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • “No more kicking of the ball when you’re under pressure”.. Can see a committed defence just swarming the all black who has the ball and tries to run the ball back under pressure.the problem there seems not to be the kicking,but the “aimless” kicking .either kick it out or put it in the air -but so that your own players don’t get caught off side and you have a chance of regaining possesion.but the abs are usually masters themselves of scoring tries from bad kicks.
    Btw nice try by ioane..just a shame about the dance..don’t think it did his chances any good of being invited to aus version of “dancing with the stars”(if they have one).

  • Comment 149, posted at 27.07.11 01:53:03 by bergshark Reply

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  • i wonder if brad barrit is kicking himself for not staying in SA for longer and aiming for the boks instead of the poms, he surely would have had a call up by now. Just compare him to meisiekind..

  • Comment 150, posted at 27.07.11 02:00:22 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @AlterEgo (Comment 136) : Percy was doing the kicking – all I say .

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