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‘Injured’ A-Bok in private training camp, while B-Bok prepare to get pulverised


Written by Gwyn Pratley (Hertford Highlander)

Posted in :All Blacks, In the news, RWC 2011, Springboks on 27 Jul 2011 at 00:28
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Duncan Johnston reports on Stuff.co.nz that the 21 “injured” Springboks are at a training camp in Rustenburg, South Africa, working on plans they hope will help them retain the World Cup in New Zealand in September.

Meanwhile the “B Boks” are about to hit New Zealand today to take on the All Blacks in Wellington this weekend, fresh off a hiding from the Wallabies in Sydney last Saturday.

While head coach Peter de Villiers and his assistants Dick Muir and Gary Gold lead a team making a mockery of the Tri-Nations, newly appointed technical director Rassie Erasmus is doing the real work with the basis of the squad that will be out to win a third World Cup.

Those players – the experienced core who lifted the cup in France four years ago – were controversially ruled out of the opening away Tri-Nations games for medical reasons.

The high number of casualties raised suspicions in New Zealand and Australia about ulterior motives.

The theory was that De Villiers was simply trying to repeat the successful tactic of his predecessor Jake White four years ago, despite a subsequent agreement between the Sanzar partners to field the strongest possible teams during the Tri-Nations.

Somehow De Villiers got his way despite Sanzar bosses looking into the matter but conceding they couldn’t “second guess” medical opinions.

Outspoken South African rugby critic Mark Keohane has called for some honesty in the game there.

Of the shambles unfolding on the road in Australasia Keohane wrote in his Business Day column: “South African rugby fans who deal in reality and not illusions should focus more on what is going on in Rustenburg, where a real coach (Rassie Erasmus) is working with some real Bok players … ones who aren’t injured and are very capable of winning a one-off test against anyone.”

De Villiers continues to come under fire in South Africa. Keohane said as a rugby coach De Villiers “is as embarrassing as the effort of the players in Sydney”.

He continued: “De Villiers, whether the Boks win or lose the World Cup, cannot go sooner. Worse than him having nothing technical to offer is that in four years he has learned nothing.

“De Villiers, among the coaches, stands alone in the blame because he has never empowered his two assistants, Dick Muir and Gary Gold, and for the past two years has tried to fire them. They have no input in team selections and team strategy. They are simply there for a pay cheque.

“De Villiers has relied on 20 very gifted players to mask his incompetence these past four years, and mostly the players have delivered through instinct and natural ability.

“Most of those players were not in Sydney, which also explains the result. The team that played against Australia had no respect for the basics of the game, had no desire to make a tackle, had no clue on attack and looked lost from the opening whistle – which would be an accurate description of De Villiers’s tenure as coach.”



56 Comments

  • Who cares what Mark Keohane has to say? Any ideas as to until when the Boks will be in Rustenburg?

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.07.11 00:40:15 by Ben Reply
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  • Even though I have to say I agree with Mark. :)

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.07.11 00:43:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 1) : hopefully we see the real team play in our home games..

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.07.11 00:44:47 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • I’d think the lack of attack from our backline,is squarely the fault of dick muir .but keo thinks the blame is only to be laid at the feet of pdivvy..

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.07.11 00:47:13 by bergshark Reply

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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 3) : I hope that’s the plan.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.07.11 00:49:01 by Ben Reply
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  • Seems like he is also suggesting that rassie should be the new head coach after pdivvy departs the scene..but he also seems to think that there is nothing wrong with either gold or muir :-| (bewildering!)

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.07.11 00:49:44 by bergshark Reply

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  • HH, “while B-Bok prepare to get pulverised”

    You better check yourself before you wreck yourself! :lol:

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.07.11 00:53:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 6) : How’s Pinky??? :lol: ;)

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.07.11 00:56:15 by Ben Reply
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  • We can’t afford to go to sleep for ten minutes this weekend-like the team did last weekend vs aussies.the wallabies scored 2 tries in 2 min,and then again 3 in 8min.must concentrate for a full 80min.perhaps that the most important lesson this team-and the one at home-need learn and remember.80min of focus.

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.07.11 00:58:51 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben:hahaha sleeping :-D the brain is too cold to try and take over the world tonight.

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.07.11 01:00:06 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 7) : :lol:

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.07.11 01:01:01 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 7) :

    Getting very ahead of myself! ;-)

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.07.11 01:02:06 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 10) : I hope all is well with him. Do send my regards when he wakes up. :)

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.07.11 01:02:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @HH: don’t you think england can go all the way and play in their 3rd successive wc final?

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.07.11 01:03:41 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 12) : Its all fine as long as your team lives up to it. Will they? I think they will BUT anything is possible.

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.07.11 01:03:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben:shall do so

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.07.11 01:04:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 16) : So how are things there with you? You don’t come around too often anymore.

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.07.11 01:08:29 by Ben Reply
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  • We have a potential huge game in the qf vs ireland before we can even think of the semi’s..

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.07.11 01:09:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 14) :

    Yes …. they should beat Australia in the Semi …

    …but this RWC could be turned on it’s head if this Kiwi lad Kepu is able to stand up to his NZ Under 21 Team mate Owen Franks next week in Auckland….he looked outstanding last week against the Bok. :???:

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.07.11 01:10:31 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Ben: still been reading the arti’s and most of the comments every day-was just lazy these last 3 weeks to login and comment.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.07.11 01:11:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 15) :

    True Ben ….they are under more pressure than the B-Bok, but if the Bok dish up what they did last week the result will be similar. :cool:

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.07.11 01:12:28 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 21) : Can’t argue that. I guess the whole result depends on how many Sharks start for the Boks! :lol: Just kidding.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.07.11 01:14:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @HH: kepu scrummed against kruger .. :-|

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.07.11 01:15:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :

    … I must admit I was suprised to read from various sources that Adi Jacobs was good last week…..

    …. imagine Nonu and $BW get hold of him this weekend

    ….it does not bare thinking about. :o

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.07.11 01:16:50 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 23) :

    True but Kruger has been better than most this year! :?:

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.07.11 01:17:37 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • ….another point that I found interesting when watching it was that he played loosehead and he has been a tighthead all season. :shock:

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.07.11 01:18:42 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 24) : Adi would do well to stay away from fast foods until the WC is over, that green jersey doesn’t make him look like the slimmest centre going around. He didn’t have any impact on the game as far as I’m concerned but I’d play him at 13 and De Jongh at 12 just to get that useless Wynand Olivier out of there!

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.07.11 01:20:42 by Ben Reply
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  • Did he play as no8 in the under 19 wc 2005 in sa?? Just googled him..(Shock).then he was convinced to become a loosehead prop by hansen and cron in nz..and now he is playing for the wallabies (shock)

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.07.11 01:21:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 27) :

    …whoever plays 12 this weekend could have there hands full on Saturday! :sad:

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.07.11 01:22:27 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @HH: read comment28 please.not only have you lost cooper to the wallabies,but also add the name of kepu to that list.see that will genia is papua new guinean by birth.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.07.11 01:24:13 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 29) : On the other hand I hope Olivier plays and gets his ass handed to him by the 2 NZ centres.

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.07.11 01:24:33 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) :

    Yes that’s the correct story!

    … he was born in Australia, played NZ U16 U17 U19 & U21 I think

    he was the one real find on Saturday …if the Aussies can find a scrum from no where like Kepu could provide …I think they are in business

    ….. now all we need to do is find a lineout! :shock:

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.07.11 01:24:59 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 31) :

    could be a tough day at the office! :sad:

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.07.11 01:26:26 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @HH: okay,so he was born in aus,but learnt his rugby in nz..interesting.tell me,does franjo botica have a kid that plays rugby?

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.07.11 01:27:41 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 33) : Will NZ send out a full strength team?

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.07.11 01:27:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben: good question.

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.07.11 01:29:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben: I think they wanna win the 3N and the wc.but the main focus is the wc.but they won’t want to lose without giving a fight.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.07.11 01:31:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 37) : The WC is in NZ. So I don’t think the All Blacks give a damn about the TN. They want the WC.

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.07.11 01:32:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben: I think they want both.they looking at how to win both comps and also not risk over-playing their stars ahead of the wc.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.07.11 01:34:49 by bergshark Reply

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  • Who know what team will front up …. i don’t think the pressure is on them to win in SA

    …I think like Australia last week and NZ this week the pressure will be on the A Bok to deliver.

    …we need a little reminder of the feeling of defeat going into the Cup! :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.07.11 01:36:45 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @[email protected]: good night guys.sleep well.

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.07.11 01:58:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : wayne smith said just yesterday “we don’t know what our 1st xv is” – a bunch of kiwi hogwash if i’ve heard any!

    sanzar can’t complain about zilch if the kiwis themselves don’t know their main manne so this weekend they can REST thorn, read, mealamu & o.franks without anyone accusing them of not honouring the broadcast agreement…

    kiwi trickery i tell you :-) we’re just not as savvy

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.07.11 02:00:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 42) :

    Very True… Saturday’s Test side will be well below par!

    Saturday’s potential side vs Full AB side

    1. W. Crockett – T. Woodcock
    2. A. Hore – K. Mealamu
    3. B. Franks/J.Afoa – O. Franks
    4. J. Hoeata – B. Thorn
    5. A. Williams – S. Whitelock
    6. A. Thomsen – J. Kaino
    7. R. McCaw – R. McCaw
    8. L. Messam – K. Read

    9. J. Cowan – J. Cowan
    10. C. Slade – D. Carter
    12. S.B. Williams – M. Nonu
    13. C. Smith – C. Smith
    11. S. Sivavatu – S. Sivavatu
    14. Z. Guilford – H. Gear
    15. M. Miliania – M. Miliania

    So how many first choice AB’s are actually starting 5 – 1 forward and 4 backs

    Not that many more than the Bok are there any 1st XV Boks playing :???: :?:

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.07.11 03:07:03 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Then again we must remember neither side has been named yet :???:

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.07.11 03:07:36 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • We/I am looking forward to the team announcements (hopefully) today…

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.07.11 06:23:53 by Franshark Reply
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  • Thanks Keo. You would think in a RWC year one would try to put personal agendas to the side and back the boys all the way… But then again you were never known for that.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.07.11 07:05:12 by catfish Reply
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  • Now I’m thinking the reason for sending B Boks to Aus/NZ wasn’t so much so that the “injured” Boks could rest, it was to create an opportunity for the A Boks to prepare properly without Divvy around to siderail things.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.07.11 07:51:38 by beet Reply
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  • I think Keo is off the mark blaming any players when they are being coached by PDV – the “game plan” on Saturday clearly had PDV’s stamp all over it . No Structure. No Clue. The players dont know who is supposed to be set to do what, so they either all leave it to the other guys, or all get into to it…kind of like watching primary school rugby.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.07.11 08:10:04 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 47) : Let’s hope so.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.07.11 08:10:46 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 48) :

    You saw a game plan? :shock:

    PdV’s plan was “give away penalties regularly, gain a bit of momentum going forward…then lose the ball…then tackle air…” ???

    Wow! What a plan!

    I don’t know or care what the plan was – but you need a unit to execute any sort of plan – and that’s something the Boks don’t have right now. We have individuals wearing the same jersey…just trying to do stuff (some less than others) and hoping some of it works out.

    We want to do well in the World Cup – we have to protect the “real” squad…simple. Let’s all just be strong and accept that we have to take a few beatings during this Tri-Nations.

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.07.11 09:20:00 by blackshark - the lurker Reply

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  • @blackshark – the lurker (Comment 50) : yup – that makes sense

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.07.11 09:23:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @catfish (Comment 46) :

    AMEN!! :???:

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.07.11 09:32:14 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark – the lurker (Comment 50) :

    You need to visit the site more often bro!! ;-)

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.07.11 09:34:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @blackshark – the lurker (Comment 50) :
    This is wisdom.

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.07.11 09:58:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • guys – just bear in mind that most of this nonsense stems from Keohane trying to stir up shit for his own countrymen… let’s not fall for his crap hook, line and sinker?

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.07.11 10:09:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • “Outspoken South African rugby critic Mark Keohane has called for some honesty in the game there.”

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
    Pot.kettle.black.

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