Richard Ferguson

Where to from here?


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 1 Aug 2011 at 08:54
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The Springboks return home after what can only be described as a failure of an away leg of the Tri Nations, and even though every single supporter out there expected them to lose, we didn’t quite expect it to be quite as bad.

The question on most fans’ lips now is quite simply… Where to from here? Do we get back the entire injured A-Team after a miraculous recovery in the Rustenburg sun? Or do we try again with our reserves and hope for a better outcome on home soil, something I can hardly see happening. This can only be answered by closely following the news over the next few weeks.

Surely there is something that we can take from this two week tour, whether it be good or bad, and this is what I think can be taken from this semi-disaster:

1. The Bok defence coach needs a good talking to, or if my suspicions are correct, we need to actually employ someone who can marshal our fragile lines.

2. A winning team cannot simply be put together by playing 15 semi decent players in the same team. A team should consist of broken down combinations, I.E. the front row, the lock pairing, the half backs and the centres. We seriously lacked any working combination on this tour, and this showed!

3. A few players that were meant to put their hands up for selection in the final World Cup squad failed miserably in their attempts to do so, and should now be out of the running to take any part in the Springbok campaign in New Zealand. Names that jump to mind include Bjorn Basson, Deon Stegmann, Ruan Pienaar, Wynand Olivier, Dean Greyling and Werner Kruger.

4. On the other side if this coin, you have players who have really stepped up and it will be a shame if any of these players stay at home later in the year: Chiliboy Ralapelle, Gerhard Mostert and Patrick Lambie.

5. Another point that stands out, and which is a bit of a worry, is that South Africa is desperately short on quality locks. With both Victor and Bakkies leaving the Green and Gold behind after this year, the lock stocks are not very comprehensive should a few injuries suddenly come about.

6. The final, and probably the saddest for me, is the way in which certain players simply gave up, and went into these games expecting to lose and showing very, very little heart in everything they did. I’m not saying every single player did this, but it was apparent that certain members of this tour group simply added caps to their, and this is a shame!

All in all, we can only hope that this is the last time an unprofessional decision like this is made and that only the best players be put in the team to the job.



72 Comments

  • Possibly the only positive that one can take from the recent debacle is that the only way to go from here is “up”!

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.08.11 09:03:42 by Greg Reply
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  • I think it unfair to say the players “gave up” and have very little heart..dont think any player ever does that. This is ALL on PDV – our players are way under prepared – that fact that, as you pointed out, there are no comniations at work is proof of PDV stubborness and inability to coach – man manager he may be, but rugby coach definitely not.

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.08.11 09:08:21 by Just a Fan Reply
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  • Wasnt the Stormers’ defencive coach called up to assist with the Boks?

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.08.11 09:16:45 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 3) : I believe he was. The defensive inadequacies of certain players have been marked of late. In some cases there are tackles being missed and others where it’s just sheer overwhelming size (SBW v Adi) that has made the difference.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.08.11 09:43:23 by Greg Reply

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  • People need to stop overreacting.

    Look what happened to Australia when they selected their 2nd string side against Samoa – they got thrashed and it was ugly.

    We will beat the All Blacks and Aussies on the home leg of the Tri Nations. Will Div and the rest of the coaches get any credit??

    I doubt it – after all, the senior players are coaching the team, right?? :roll:

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.08.11 09:44:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :

    Do you really think we will beat a full strength All Black team in South Africa?

    I dont think we will even give their second team a decent run.. Not if we carry on playing in the same vain..

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.08.11 09:50:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 4) : adi stopped every man who stepped into his channel on saturday.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.08.11 09:51:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • maybe we should try the a team with b coaches? :)

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.08.11 09:55:22 by Rahul Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) :

    Adi’s defence was superb..

    I have to concede and apologise to Adi.. he can tackle anything that moves!

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.08.11 09:56:09 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) :

    He may have missed two tackles but other than that he was our best backline player with Lambie close behind.

    I would prefer him on the bench to cover 12/3 ahead of De Jongh!

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.08.11 09:58:34 by wpw Reply
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  • The Boks are trying a new defensive structure, with the first choice players there (especially Jacque Fourie) they will employ it better. Having said that, some players were just plain kak. Steyn, Basson, Stegmann(*&^&*!) Pienaar, Ashley J (Pity, had high hopes for him) even Hargreaves was way below from what is required. But on the flip side, Chillyboy really pleasantly suprised me, Lambie was what we expected, Mvovo did well and Deysel was monumental. And it was a pity that Aplon got injured, it really halted our attacking potential plus even though he is no more than a dirt stripe on a windshield, he tackles with the hart of a lion.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.08.11 10:00:35 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Am I the only one that thought SBW did not have such a huge impact and that we seemed to have Lomu’d him with our defense and great ankle tackling?

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.08.11 10:02:24 by Ice Reply
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  • Mostert stood up – yes. Lambie – not so sure.

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.08.11 10:09:22 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :
    @Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) :
    Does it really matter? There is a small matter of a world cup coming up, and the importance of the Tri-Nations rather pales into insignificance. Why do we continue to play this comp in a world cup year? I would far rather see some warm up games leading up to the world cup, rather than an obviously watered down tri-nations, where too much stock is placed on results that are largely meaningless.

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.08.11 10:11:51 by Greg Reply

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  • Bjorn Basson, must be the worst springbok ever.
    Most over rated player SA has ever produced.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.08.11 10:21:51 by Uli Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 14) :

    I agree 100%. ;-)

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.08.11 10:25:17 by wpw Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 15) : Thats why its so satisfying to know he playes for the Bulls.

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.08.11 10:25:33 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 15) :

    He didnt play well did he??

    Look, I used to be a fan based on his performances for Griquas and the Cheetahs but we need to remember some players take longer to settle at test level than others.

    Having said that, I dont think Bjorn will go to the RWC and based on his test performances he doesn’t deserve to. :roll:

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.08.11 10:29:33 by wpw Reply
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  • Another player that also played well and has a shot at making the WC squad must be Jean Deysel. One of the standout forwards on tour and by far the best loosie we had. I hope they give him another run during the home leg of the tri nations. You go boy!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.08.11 10:30:30 by Viking Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 15) :

    I think Ruan Pienaar wins that one hands down!!

    He was absolutely terrible in both tests!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.08.11 10:31:12 by wpw Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 15) : Basson couldn’t tackle in the S15 and then people thought he would by some miracke learn how to do so at the boks. Definetely over rated IMO.

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.08.11 10:32:23 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 19) :

    Jeez but you guys really are biased.

    Deysel was ok but he did give away a few stupid penalties and got tackled back more than once.

    I’m not saying he was poor just that he wasnt that good.

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.08.11 10:36:26 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 20) : why would you try to upset RP’s fanclub :roll: the hairdresser cancelled on you and you had to watch the game :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.08.11 10:48:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 22) : I did not watch the game, but from what I can gather from the media, Smit, Hargreaves, Mostert, Deysel, Lambie, Jacobs, Mvovo and Ndungane were absolutely brilliant, and Kruger, Greyling, Steggman, Rossouw, Basson and Steyn utterly rubbish, and the rest somewhere in between. Sound about right? :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.08.11 10:51:34 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Thanks Richard
    that has come from the bottem of your heart,
    but what can we do gee i’ve been backing the Boks since i was a young girl with no Tele at all we had to listen to the game on the Radio now for me it was gone from Green and Gold down to Yellow on SB :oops: but my heart will always be G&G
    get rid of the players that don’t give a [email protected] or maybe there is a better word,and get in some players that have a heart to carry on the name of the Green and Gold just as JW has done with the Brumbies but this should of been done ages ago the WC 2011 is around the corner PDV is the big problem its going to cost us the WC Title because there are players that really are not werth been in the team, don’t get me wrong they play good but somewhere there is a BIG problem we arn’t prepared at all for the WC but we all thought so much ages ago but what can we do :???:

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.08.11 11:01:37 by chaz Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 14) : i must attend to agree with you players are to over worked before the WC but i still see there is a big problem

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.08.11 11:04:09 by chaz Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 24) : :twisted: i picked this up as well.
    JJ Harmse does not concur.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.08.11 11:09:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 22) : I think that is fair. I belive that the guys that did standout during these two tests should be given a chance with the “A-Team” (for lack of a better word) so that we can really see what value they can bring to the party. Yes we are biased but I must comment on other non shark players that stood out like chiliboy and Danie. I though that these were the guys in the forwards at least that has the goods at international level.

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.08.11 11:10:55 by Viking Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 24) : You forgot to mention that for each one of those absolute rubbish players you mention, there are at least two sharks players who would have had a much better game, given the chance :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.08.11 11:15:43 by Greg Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 27) : Yeah, but he’s a second-rate hack who refuses to acknowledge that all Sharks players are only half a level below the seraphim and cherubim, and all Bulls players are only slightly elevated above the primordial ooze. That dude has *serious* blinkers on! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.08.11 11:16:00 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 29) : You know, for a Lions fan you’re remarkably clear-sighted! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.08.11 11:17:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Deysel best defender with 12 tackles/2 missed. Smit worst with 6 made/6 missed according to ESPN Scrum

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.08.11 11:22:37 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 29) : agree oh and i must say its great to see the Lions back in the game and giving us all hard time gee how long has it been since the Lions were up in the 1st place

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.08.11 11:22:46 by chaz Reply

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  • @Viking (Comment 28) :

    I have to disagree on Danie. I’ve been very disappointed in him in the last 2 tests. He doesn’t seem to get across the advantage line and he is loosing the ball in contact way too frequently.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.08.11 11:23:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : *BIG MOTHER OF AN “AGREE”*

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.08.11 11:25:29 by Ice Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 24) : It’s really difficult to judge the player’s contributions, especially in the last test:
    - Morne Steyn played in a position he’s definitely not comfortable in. Really unfair to judge him at 15.
    - The media seem to always doubt Adi’s defense regardless of whether it was a problem or not. He seemed okay.
    - Ashley Johnson seemed to have a better second test but he’s already been written off based on performances in the first.
    - Al Hargreaves never stood out in either test but really seems to get through a lot of work that goes unnoticed.
    - Ruan Pienaar is neither as bad or as good as he was made out to be but definitely has a polarizing effect on viewers – similar to Francois Steyn.
    - Lambie didn’t get a lot of front foot ball but seemed to remain calm. It wasn’t a stand-out performance in terms of attack but he’s defence was superb and did anyone notice how he rallied the defensive lines on occasion. Pretty promising for someone this young.
    - Bjorn Basson could be a great Springbok but really seems to struggle with defence and decision making. Might have been different with a more experienced back three?

    The media bias, the inexperience and all the new combinations really makes it difficult to remain objective but hopefully another article from Vin will help with this.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.08.11 11:28:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) : Have to point out that MS is shite no matter what number he has on his back!

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.08.11 11:31:03 by Greg Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) : you forgot to mention that the Sharks players rocked and the Bulls players sucked! :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.08.11 11:31:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 38) : er…no. wouldn’t say that JS or AJ exactly shone! best Bull was Danie, sure most neutrals would agree?

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.08.11 11:36:31 by Greg Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.08.11 11:39:41 by wpw Reply
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  • My biggest problem with Morne is his defence. He’s a huge liability.

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.08.11 11:40:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 37) : Honestly, I’d prefer both Butch and Lambie ahead of him but he’d be my third choice flyhalf (ahead of Ruan Pienaar).

    @Culling Song (Comment 38) : My apologies! Keegan should replace Steggman!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.08.11 11:40:34 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 42) : Now that’s much better!

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.08.11 11:45:46 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 39) : Follow the thread back, my tongue was so firmly in cheek it threatened to tear my jaw muscles… :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.08.11 11:47:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : plus he is lazy to tackle.

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.08.11 12:16:08 by Megatron Reply

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  • @wpw:(comment22):deysel was tackled back a few times in the second half,but he has shown that in a more organised team he could add some real value.was also contesting rucks well,especially in first half(though,I have not yet watched a replay of the game-only have memory to go on-and that might be clouded with some patriotic fervour and adrenaline lol).

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.08.11 12:28:02 by bergshark Reply

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  • @wpw:and he kept on trying in the bok jersey..

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.08.11 12:32:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 47) :

    Basson was also ‘trying’ but he proved to be useless.

    I’m not saying Deysel was poor – I’m just saying he wasnt as good as people are saying. :roll:

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.08.11 12:40:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 34) : Danie did not have a great game against NZ but I though he played well against the Ausies. BUt I agree with you that he needs to protect the ball better. It seemed that a lot of the boks did not protect the ball well in the contact situation, coughing it up to the oppoistion much to easily.

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.08.11 12:43:58 by Viking Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 46) : Deysel also forced more turnovers on Saturday than Stegman has in his springbok carreer. Put Deysel in an organised team and he will do wonders for the boks.

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.08.11 12:46:02 by Viking Reply
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  • @wpw: …..

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.08.11 12:46:25 by bergshark Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) : Not judging Morne Steyn as a 15 but defence should be solid regardless of the number on your back. Steyn is worse than a revolving door on a defense.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.08.11 12:47:31 by Viking Reply
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  • Where are the bok coaches intending to playing frans steyn?I’d like to see him and j fourie be the centre combo at this year’s wc(as they were in 2007).that would still leave fb pos up for grabs..what about ludik or jantjes getting opp?..just a thought..or will pdiv give m steyn 2 more runs in the no15 jersey?

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.08.11 12:56:37 by bergshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 48) : Would you say Danie had a better game than Deysel?

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.08.11 13:07:40 by Ben Reply
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  • I think the biggest thing to come out of the 2 games so far is that our defense is not up to scratch in either the TriNations or the Currie Cup if u look at the scores! So firstly sort the defense out! Then as was said you have to pick combinations that work- its no use having 15 guys out there not knowing each other.
    Out of the positives I think we can see the type of game plan that will be employed by New Zealand and the Aussies so need to find ways to combat those patterns.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.08.11 13:12:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 54) :

    nope! :roll:

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.08.11 13:27:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 56) : Just asking… :shock:

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.08.11 13:44:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 20) : I don’t agree with you at all. Please go tell someone this who knows nothing about rugby..

    @vanmartin (Comment 36) : “Bjorn Basson could be a great Springbok but really seems to struggle with defence and decision making. Might have been different with a more experienced back three?”
    What the hect are you smoking? He will NEVER be a springbok great! I felt nauseas when ever I saw him on the field. The All blacks loved it. He cant tackle, he cant to anything for that matter…. In fact Rickey January would do better on wing in his place.

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.08.11 13:50:14 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 58) : Are you over us Hypocrites yet?? :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.08.11 13:52:08 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 59) : hehe… I must be having my monday blues again ….lol

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.08.11 13:54:24 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 60) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.08.11 13:56:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 12) : Sonny Bill just pitch for the game…

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.08.11 14:15:01 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 4) : As bad as SA were on the weekend the midfield were not the liability. Our defensive alignment in broken play especially with tight forwards continues to be our achilles heel, the mismatches between backs vs forward leads to the majority of linebreaks. Our tightforwards are way too easily beaten-lock of athleticism and mobility on this tour especially on defense and breakdown was massive.

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.08.11 14:18:58 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 58) : Not smoking anything – if you disagree then simply say so. Tackling and better decision making can be coached. Basson has solid aerial skills and he’s fast. He’s also particulary suited to the Boks kick/chase strategy. He can become great in the right team with the right coaching.

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.08.11 14:44:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 64) : I agree that Basson has talent and can be a good Bok one day. His tackling and catching on Sat were terrible, as was his positional play. BUT … he can move and he is one of the best balanced runners I have ever seen. Cullen-esque at times. He just needs time and a few more seasons of Super rugby. He was very good at end of Super XV so he can’t be bad.

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.08.11 15:13:24 by Sharks_UK Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 64) :
    @Sharks_UK (Comment 65) :

    Oh my…. :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.08.11 15:25:56 by Uli Reply
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  • @Sharks_UK (Comment 65) : Agreed. He’s not at Bok level yet and for the sake of his future career should play no further part in this year’s Tri-Nations but I’d be interested to see how he’s progressed in a year or two, especially with more SupeRugby experience.

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.08.11 16:32:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Charlie:comment63: would like to know ali hargreaves and werner kruger’s stats for these two 3n test.

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.08.11 17:15:36 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Charlie: btw, I thought you didn’t have a bad game under the circumstances :-D

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.08.11 17:19:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 68) : http://www.ruggastats.com ? Not sure if they’re updated yet ;-)

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.08.11 19:32:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 69) : Thanx ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.08.11 19:33:36 by Charlie Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 68) : Yea I am starting to think Ali has had enough chances him self… He needs to become dominant at super rugby level before he can play for the boks, he pretty much has had a easy road into the bok setup like some other hooker I know.

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