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Joubert on conditioning program


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news, Sharks on 24 Aug 2011 at 16:36
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Sharks coach John Plumtree criticised the fitness of players returning from France after he was forced to put veteran centre Marius Joubert on a conditioning block to get him up to speed with his teammates.

Joubert and his centre partner Meyer Bosman again looked below the pace against the Leopards last week, especially new recruit Joubert who arrived from French club Clermont Auvergne prior to the season.

Plumtree said that Joubert was not the first player to get back from France out of shape and explained that he will have to do some extra work before he can be considered for selection in the Currie Cup again.

“One of the things that is pretty evident to us now is that players that have got back from France have been poor from a conditioning perspective,” Plumtree said.

“We probably will take him out and give him a conditioning block to get his strength back up,” he added.

The Sharks boss explained that the lack of conditioning does not necessarily impact on his quality as a rugby player but added that he would benefit from a focused training programme which would deal specifically with his match fitness.

Plumtree said: “We’ve noticed with his weight, his speed, his power and his contact that he’s down on where he normally is. We’ve got to get him up to speed. We did a similar thing with Meyer last week, took him out for a week and he benefited a lot.

“They’re good footballers, but they’re just down on their strength and we need to improve that,” he added.

Former Sharks player Frans Steyn is another player to get back from France carrying a bit more weight than when he left, although he is expected to be named in the Springbok World Cup squad despite his expanding girth

Article courtesy of Rugby365



58 Comments

  • I’m aware this was mentioned as a footnote in another article but this needs to be highlighted IMO.

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.08.11 16:39:21 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Would he not have been in better shape if he came straight to Durban rather than holidaying it up with friends in the cape?

    We are more than 6 weeks into the season and he still needs conditioning?????

    This goes down to his commitment as well as the lack of conditioning in France.

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.08.11 16:42:04 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : I think Plum is being pretty restrained about the things he’s saying here… I’m sure he’s DEEPLY pissed off about this

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.08.11 16:43:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : I would hope he is. At the start of the season maybe, but we are about to reach the halfway stage and the guy is STILL out of shape.????

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.08.11 16:45:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Why was Meyer out of shape?

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.08.11 16:46:08 by McLovin Reply

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  • Hate to think in what shape Januarie will return. :twisted:

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.08.11 16:47:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 5) : that’s a bloody good question, isn’t it? He’s been working on conditioning with Steele and co since January. Maybe started a little bit later than the others because of a hernia op he had at the beginning of the year… but still.

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.08.11 16:47:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 6) : they’ll just roll him back down to you

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.08.11 16:47:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Then again if it only took a week to get him back into shape, it couldn’t have been that bad.

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.08.11 16:55:09 by McLovin Reply

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  • Frans Steyn on the other hand starting to resemble a young Kobus Wiese.

    Just needs a crew cut. :twisted:

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.08.11 16:56:28 by McLovin Reply

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  • hectic… what do those lads do in Frenchland?

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.08.11 16:56:33 by molly Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 9) : Meyer, in my opinion, needs to work on his eyes… spending some time with Sheryl Calder would do wonders for him.

    He’s getting himself into good positions on the field, but running away from support and losing the ball

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.08.11 16:57:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 11) : um… consume shedloads of cheese and wine? Can’t imagine how they put on weight…

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.08.11 16:58:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 11) : It’s the food. Everyday I have a dilemma when I go to the boulangerie to buy the bread because I am faced with croissants, pain au chocolat and other delightful pastries that I sometime cave in and buy for breakfast.

    @robdylan (Comment 13) : The cheese and wine are difficult to resist as well.

    Food in France is a passion and funny enough the French are not that fat – there are a few – but most of them tend to grow up with the mantra of everything in moderation…

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.08.11 17:06:12 by lostfish Reply
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  • Don’t condition him. Cancel his damn contract!

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.08.11 17:27:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 15) : get him conditioned to going without a monthly salary, in other words :)

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.08.11 17:29:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Precisely! :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.08.11 17:40:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 11) : We can’t blame the French for this. I don’t see Freddy Michalak having any conditioning issues.

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.08.11 17:44:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 18) : but Freddy is French and used to all these baguettes, onion soups with handfuls of yellow cheese just melting in the pot …. yum yum

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.08.11 18:03:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 19) : okay good point that, so the problem is self restraint when it comes to food. (I know how they feel) :wink:

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.08.11 18:09:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) :

    Or lack of self restraint, as in my case!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.08.11 18:11:15 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • What about Bastareaud? Bit of a porker him. :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.08.11 18:13:44 by McLovin Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 19) : the French seem to have a natural moderation setting. If there is chocolate in my house it disappears but my French sister in law can keep it forever…

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.08.11 19:02:09 by lostfish Reply
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  • Fransie is another who looks like he could do with some salad on his plate henceforth.

    Regarding the conditioning: unless the process involves using H.G Wells’ imagination, I reckon the pay-off aint gona be that big.

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.08.11 20:19:23 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Yeah; got to agree that Plum is trying to be diplomatic – he is not one to publicise his disatisfaction with a single player – obviously also a mind trick to piss off Marius – dent an ego of a pro baller – hope it works… He’s really been off colour since leaving The Stormers in fact…

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.08.11 20:46:12 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 24) : time machine, right? Quite obscure, even by your standards :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.08.11 21:37:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :
    With scholars of your and CS’ calibre (inter alia), I had little doubt that my little chestnut would be sniffed out.

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.08.11 21:44:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 27) : FLIP even “I” picked up on that. :shock: :razz:

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.08.11 21:50:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Do you think he (Plum) might be talking about Freddie too?

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.08.11 21:57:08 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 29) : Not a chance, Freddy seems to be in great shape. If plum had concerns freddy would not have started almsot every game.

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.08.11 22:05:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Is mb really 102kg??

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.08.11 00:49:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • Give him sheryl calder (as suggested by @robdylan) and plenty extra scoops of mass builder and stack those weights on the bar when he hits the gym.

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.08.11 00:51:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • The stats say he’s weighing in at 105 but when Frans Steyn came back from France he was packing in at 112kgs. 1kg less than The Beast.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.08.11 09:01:55 by juz Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) : Yeah; but he seems to be talking in plural – must be speaking about Fransie Dip a donut…

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.08.11 09:03:00 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @juz (Comment 33) : and 2 kilos heavier than Deysel…

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.08.11 09:04:40 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • No well paid professional rugby player should EVER be in this situation. Disgusting!

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.08.11 09:05:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Im not so sure the good food of the French can be blamed here, he has been with the Sharks for how long now, 6 weeks, and is only now going on coinditioning, that makes no sense as surely he would have been put on that as soon as he arrived. Methinks he has developed a penchant for something local, maybe a bunny or 2 a day.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.08.11 09:17:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 37) : well, whatever the cause, the player has to ultimately take the responsibility and get himself into the right shape ASAP.

    No passengers.

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.08.11 09:23:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 36) :

    Myself on the udder hand have been in that shape most of my life! :oops:

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.08.11 09:28:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : Right, but blaming the French club conditioning for something that could be happening in your own backyard should be a worry.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.08.11 09:39:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 24) : :sad: Starting to have sleepless nights about our centres and their conditioning/abilities… no wait, it’s my daughter and new dog keeping me up. Still very concerned though.

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.08.11 09:59:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 14) : Except cigarettes?

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.08.11 10:03:17 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 42) : Think it’s the OKA Pipe !!! :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.08.11 11:33:43 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : “He’s getting himself into good positions on the field, but running away from support and losing the ball”

    You know Rob, I always get a little frustrated when I hear comments like this. An inside Centre should always have support runners on his shoulders, if he changes his angle, the support runners should adjust and stay with him. I honestly don’t think it is Bosman’s fault that the support runners are not staying with him, a 12 should be able to look for space, change his angles and still count on a support runner on his shoulder. I think the problem lies with the Sharks loosies and outside centres not providing the support Bosman needs when he gets tackled.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.08.11 15:42:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 44) : Ahhhh, yes I wanted to bring that up sometime. Its something often said here and I wanted some clarification on what a centre, or anyone else who makes a break, should do. Logic tells me that the person making the break must pin their ears back and run as fast as possible while the element of surprise is still with them. while his support players must run themselves into positions to either receive the pass or assist in securing the ball and recycling it if the person making the break gets hauled in.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.08.11 16:01:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 45) : Exactly, the All Blacks have always been the best at this, usually with 2 runners on either shoulder of the ball carrier. The ball carrier does what they can to make as much distance as they can, and should expect support runners to take the pop pass. Personally I don’t think a runner ever “runs away from his support”. He simply is trying to gain distance, the support runners must stay with him. Well, my opinion anyway. I think Bosman is getting a bit of a raw deal with regard to this.

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.08.11 16:10:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Aww man, Hurricane prediction now moving the track west, I am firmly planted in the cone of prediction. Earthquake Tuesday, and now a significant Hurricane expected Saturday night. Yikes, boats to get out of the water, and secure……

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.08.11 16:51:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Centres should be cerebral – they need to be a pair – they need to have a feel – cerebral – If an inside centre is lost – then the outside centre is just as much to blame – but there needs to be some more chemistry in the midfield – our pairs just seem incompatible in the partnership sense – play well enough come basics, but need to be more killer instinct like… Communication – like Wild Dogs, lean, aggressive, relentless, awesome – etc…

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.08.11 16:53:43 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 47) : I heard on the morning this morning that it appeared as if it would not get to you guys, seems as if its changing again. :sad: I hope all will be ok that side.

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.08.11 16:57:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • if this doesn’t confirm that meyer bosman is the most rubbish player the sharks have ever bought i don’t know what will.

    how does he get out of condition when he has been playing virtually ALL super rugby games? :shock:

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.08.11 16:59:14 by Megatron Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 48) : Do you think thats why Adi doesnt crack the nod, even less “chemistry” than Bosman and Stef?

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.08.11 16:59:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 50) : I alluded to that regarding Joubert earlier, did not get any takers.

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.08.11 17:01:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 51) : I think Adi is very unfortunate; he will add chemistry and creativity – it boggles my mind that he is not in the squad… Truly baffled – there must be more to this… Adi is not the ultimate answer, but he is the best outside centre in the senior set-up…

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.08.11 17:12:01 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) : Yep, the predictions are changing almost hourly. Right now it looks most likely to track straight up the coast. If it goes 50 miles west, we are going to be very badly hit, with massive storm surges, even greater than we got from Isabelle in 2003 (12 feet above mean low tide).

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.08.11 17:24:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : Not good at all, every time I look at the prediction, it moves further left. This could get ugly on Saturday night/Sunday.

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.08.11 17:31:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 44) : 100%, I said this last week, the problem lies with us, MB isn’t getting the support from his team mates when he makes a break and I blame that on coaching. I will stand by MB until we get our act together and hire a proper backline coach as MB is doing what a 12 is meant to do with ball in hand.

  • Comment 56, posted at 26.08.11 06:07:48 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • The problem is bigger than MB, we lost the plot in the late 90′s when we thought a number 12 is only good for a predetermined crash ball. Nonu, the biggest, strongest and best number 12 doesn’t use the crash ball as a weapon, in fact, it’s not his strength, ask Lambie if you don’t believe me. SBW doesn’t know what a crashball is! SA rugby has a long way to go. A number 12′s role in the team is to gain metres with ball in hand and ensure momentum. If no one is supporting him how is he meant to do that.

  • Comment 57, posted at 26.08.11 06:26:16 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Any word on when lardass (Marius Joubert) will be finishing this condition program?

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.09.11 15:23:23 by Butchie34 Reply
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