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Sharks bulk up for Bulls


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Bulls, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 1 Sep 2011 at 10:25
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The Sharks team to face the Bulls at Loftus this weekend has been announced, and sees a few changes to the forward pack, as our psychic Rob Otto predicted.

In the front row we see Eugene van Staden coming in for Wiehahn Herbst, as the two continue their rotation. In the second row there will be a start for Jandre Marais, who replaces Anton Bresler. The loose trio gets shuffled with Keegan Daniel captaining from the side of the scrum, with Marcell Coetzee on the on the other flank and Jean Deysel ankering the scrum from eighthman.

The backline is unchanged, unfortunately, with Conrad Hoffmann and Adi Jacobs covering from the bench. Herbst and Bresler are joined on the bench by Kyle Cooper, Al Hargreaves and Jacques Botes. With Ryan Kankowski out for a few weeks with an injured hand, the coach has selected two locks on the bench, who I am sure can cover flank should there be a need.

Sharks: 15. Louis Ludik, 14. Sibusiso Sithole, 13. Stefan Terblanche, 12. Meyer Bosman, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Frederic Michalak, 9. Charl McLeod, 8. Jean Deysel, 7. Marcell Coetzee, 6. Keegan Daniel (C), 5. Ross Skeate, 4. Jandre Marais, 3. Eugene van Staden, 2. Craig Burden, 1. Dale Chadwick

Replacements: 16. Kyle Cooper 17. Wiehahn Herbst 18. Anton Bresler 19. Alistair Hargreaves 20. Jacques Botes 21. Conrad Hoffmann 22. Adrian Jacobs



137 Comments

  • I like the look of this loose trio..

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.09.11 10:30:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • same centres :roll:

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.09.11 10:33:24 by molly Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 1) : swap Keegan and Deysel and it’ll look even better.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.09.11 10:33:57 by molly Reply
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  • ha ha! I am awesome :)

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.09.11 10:36:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • BWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!! :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.09.11 10:45:47 by Charlie Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 2) : :evil:

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.09.11 10:46:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • Go overseas Adi. The time has come.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.09.11 10:46:42 by Ben Reply

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  • team much as expected

    they just swopped the locks around

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.09.11 10:51:38 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • Interesting to see Deysel at 8 but he did play there when he was captaining Lions under 21.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.09.11 10:51:54 by war1 Reply
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  • oh and of course deysel now at 8thman and not 7 or 6

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.09.11 10:52:36 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 8) :

    Deysel didn’t play last week..

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.09.11 10:53:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Don’t worry guys Meyer Bosman just needs a few games to play himself into form….
    Oh wait, it’s September already!

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.09.11 10:54:26 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 3) :

    Have to agree with you..

    If they are planning on playing with flair, the last person you want at 8 is Deysel..

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.09.11 10:54:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : i know he didnt , he was a reserve

    i siad much as expected , didnt say the same team rich :roll:

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.09.11 10:55:18 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 14) :

    But we expected the locks as they have been announced as well?

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.09.11 10:58:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • i know Rob posted the Lock combo yesterday, but also the 2 locks as reserves , it is not the norm

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.09.11 11:00:55 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 12) : :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.09.11 11:01:29 by Charlie Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 12) : :lol:

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.09.11 11:02:09 by sharks_lover Reply

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  • Agree with Molly. Why is Keegan not playing from the back of the scrum. Deysel not suited for the no. 8 jumper if Keegan is in the team.

    Midfield… Mmmmm Jaaaaa :?: Not a bad team thou.

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.09.11 11:02:30 by Farlington Reply

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  • Will be interested to see if there is any noticeable change in gameplan. The Bulls have played at a very high tempo the last couple of weeks so will see if the Sharks can match them and shake them from their normal game. Deysel at 8 is interesting, he will carry a lot of ball and also run those covering lines in behind and hopefully make cover tackles if needed or steal ball once tackles are made.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.09.11 11:02:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) :

    Interesting observation re: the tempo of the Bulls game. It is very unlike the Bulls to play that way.

    Their forwards based game wasn’t working, so if we can force them into playing that, we could take this!

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.09.11 11:08:39 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Cant see how we’re going to play this ‘expansive’ game plan with this side.
    Big but pretty immobile pack, Stef Terribleanche halting any momentum with his zimmer frame in the midfield.

    Nope this is going to be trench warfare.

    More importantly, whats the U21 team looking like?
    Are they playing this weekend?

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.09.11 11:09:06 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 22) :

    The Under 21′s will also be taking on the Bulls at Loftus..

    That team is generally announced on a Friday, and will be up as soon as the team is released..

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.09.11 11:13:17 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • How the hell are we going to play French Rugby with Bosman at 12?

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.09.11 11:15:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • :shock: ok let’s hope this works as it is supposed too…. 4 try bonus point victory by 8(or more) will make me happppppppppy :)

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.09.11 11:17:17 by Franshark Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) :

    With big double skip passes from the frenchman to either Sithole or Mvovo

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.09.11 11:17:43 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : :???: :???: :???:

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.09.11 11:18:05 by Charlie Reply

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  • Adi on the bench again :sad:

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.09.11 11:21:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • My changes to make this team better:

    If Stef HAS to play:
    Stef to fullback, Adi in at 13, Heimar at 12.

    If Stef doesn’t have to play:
    Straight swop Stef for Adi, Heimar at 12.

    If we can have our way completely:
    McLeod, Fred, Sithole, Adi, Mvovo, Richards, Ludik

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.09.11 11:24:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 22) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : Michalak,Bosman and Terblanche are all good passes of the ball so the ball can easily be spread to the wings. The question is whether we can retain possesion once we get it wide and then get the forwards to pass the ball and do the same. I havnt had the same video analysis as the Bulls would have had but even I know that Coetzee never passes and neither does Deysel so teams can take the risk of gang tackling these players and thereby turning over the ball.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.09.11 11:26:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) :

    Imagine the Bulls’ surprise when Coetzee passes to a speeding Sithole running inside him..

    Let’s hope they think this up!

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.09.11 11:58:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • theyll swop on attack and defence

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.09.11 12:01:09 by Talent Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 31) : Imagine Sithole’s suprise when Coetzee passes the ball…

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.09.11 12:02:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.09.11 12:03:58 by Ben Reply

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  • I wonder if Adi received offers from other unions yet . . .

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.09.11 12:13:05 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I’m sorry, but I don’t understand the logic behind Coetzee at 7 and Deysel at 8. The majority of Deysel’s games for the Sharks have been in the 7 jumper, a position that suits his strengths. Similarly, Coetzee has played at 8 until his elevation to the senior team, where admittedly he has acquitted himself admirably as a blindside flank. Maybe they’ll still surprise me, but to a rational, left-brain dominant person like me this makes no sense.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.09.11 12:16:48 by Culling Song Reply
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  • It’s going to be interesting to see Deysel at 8. I’m really looking forward to him collecting a few high balls at the back, building up a bit of steam and then colliding with a few poor sods in blue jerseys who’re obliged to attempt the tackles. The missed tackle count could be big in our favour :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.09.11 12:20:40 by beet Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) :

    Haha.. very good point.. amazement all around!

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.09.11 12:25:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 35) :

    Where would he go though?

    WP – Fourie/de Jongh – No
    Cheetahs – Ebersohn – Maybe
    Lions – Doppies/Murray – No
    Bulls – Sadie/Olivier – No

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.09.11 12:27:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 39) :

    EP Kings possibly?

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.09.11 12:27:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 36) : I assumed they’d go with Keegan at 8 and Deysel at 6.

    Sometimes defeats have knockon effects, so I think we’ll be a lot stronger at the breakdown esp clean-outs and hands on the ball. Here I think Keegan has been handed the role of getting to the tackled ball quickly. And from a decision-making point of view, the coaches probably feel more comfy with Deysel taking on the responsibility that comes with the 8 jersey.

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.09.11 12:28:02 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 41) : I hear you, but it’s still 2 players in your loose trio playing out of their natural positions. And much as I like Deysel, his linking game has never really made me sit up and take notice. But, as I said, they might still surprise me. I just hope their roles have been clearly explained to them.

    Still, no need to worry, because we all know that when it’s Keegan vs. The Bulls, Keegan always comes out tops! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.09.11 12:45:13 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 40) : Melbourne Rebels or the Kwasse ?

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.09.11 12:54:52 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm…. I hear you John… Meyer and Stefan will definitely play French rugby as you suggested. Don’t listen to the naysayers on this site..

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.09.11 13:04:54 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 44) : NOT!!!!! ;-) Arme Adi…

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.09.11 13:05:23 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 1) : there’s no way keegan can fail this time, no stegmann to out play him. Bok discard Deysel should dominate Stander.

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.09.11 13:06:20 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 46) : :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.09.11 14:32:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 42) : I’m not trying to justify the decision just trying to piece together the thinking behind it.
    Like I said, it seemed an obvious call to have Deysel at 6 and Daniels at 8. :smile:

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.09.11 15:02:09 by beet Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) :
    Thanks Richard.

    I hope the U21 game is televised. Will be keen to see how they go.
    Will probably switch over to Masterchef reruns when the main game starts. Im that disinterested.

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.09.11 15:21:06 by John Galt Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 42) : CS, I actually think that on defensive scrums, Deysel is very well suited to playing 8. This would allow K-Dog to get to the tackle point first, with Deysel following up for a possible steel of the ball. Keegan, while quick at openside, does not play to the ground well, much like Botes, he is not a fetcher. I like the idea of playing your best fetcher at 8, I know how Luke Watson is hated, but he is a very good fetcher, and was extremely effective at number 8, when asked to play there.

    That being said, I wonder if Deysel might not switch to blindside on offensive scrums with Marcel at 8. That would actually make sense to me.

    This is also the reason I believe that Alberts never did well in the 8 jumper for the Sharks, he is not quick enough to the breakdowns. My opinion is your opensider should be there first, with your 8 close behind.

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.09.11 15:30:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : Now that explanation appeals to my rational, left-brain dominant nature. Thanks DB, you’re a scholar and a gentleman!

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.09.11 15:54:40 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 51) : Now let’s hope that they do switch on defensive and offensive scrums.

    That being said CS, I know we talk a lot about the abilities of the loosies and where they are best suited to play. But to be honest, the only time it actually matters is when there is a scrum and the first breakdown after that, from then on, it matters not whether the player is a opensider, blindsider or 8, there position will be determined by how they entered the breakdown (or didn’t enter the breakdown). Lineouts are also different, and it does not matter if they are playing 6/7 or 8.

    So let’s say there are 11 scrums in a match (sounds like a good average), and 150 breakdowns. So the only times the position matters is at 11 of the 150 breakdowns, a very small number. Therefore in my opinion, it is rather unimportant what number a loose forward wears, because that number will matter only a very small percentage of the time. Not sure if this makes sense but it does to me.

    In my opinion, the balance of the loose trio is far more important than what number they wear on their back. Having a fast loosie to the breakdown early to protect ball, or make the tackle, and a second loosie to be a fetcher with the 3rd a ball carrier. Of course all three must be able to do all three jobs, but the balance of the trio is paramount in my mind.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.09.11 16:03:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 52) : Did you go to some sort of tight-five-and-loose-trio college!? I really enjoy and appreciate your insights in that area

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.09.11 16:06:43 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 52) : That being said, I think this loose trio is extremely well balanced, I really like the look of it.

    Just a thought, but since Alberts has taken so much of the ball carrying responsibility, we have seen a perceived dip in form for Kanko. Personally I don’t think this is the case, since Alberts has been such an effective ball carrier, Kanko has had to play a tighter game, and has had to hit many more rucks than he has in the past, and this surely affects his ball carrying. Carrying the ball is Kanko’s forte, not so much hitting the rucks, so with him now concentrating on something he is not as good at, he does not look as effective in the past. In my opinion, a loose trio with Kanko and Alberts is not well balanced. With Deysel at 7 and Kanko at 8, Kanko can go back to his ball carrying knowing that Deysel will hit rucks and mauls and make some turnovers. I have never seen Alberts make a turnover.

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.09.11 16:08:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 53) : Thanks CS, like you, I am simply trying to apply some thought and logic to this.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.09.11 16:11:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I do understand the 8 has some specific responsibilities like covering the deep kick, but these specific responsibilities are few and far between.

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.09.11 16:15:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Also glad to see Marais get a start. We are painfully short of 4 locks, with Bressler doing a good job of filling the position, but let’s face it, he is a looser playing lock naturally. In Ali, Skeate and Bressler we have 3 very good 5 locks, but the loss of Syksie and Mostert was a big blow for the Sharks since they were both very good tight locks.

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.09.11 16:20:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Personally, I am very happy with the look of the forwards and halfbacks. Now, if we can only get Plum to see the light with the centres. I really wish he would give Adi an extended run at 13 with Bosman at 12. I know Bosman has a bad reputation with some here, but I honestly think that a Bosman/Adi centre combo could be incredibly effective. We know Bosman can defend and make line breaks, now if we can just provide the support after he breaks the line……and Adi is superb at this.

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.09.11 16:23:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Will we see any possession if we don`t play Botes, that`s what I`m worried about.

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.09.11 16:37:33 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 59) : Botes does not turnover much ball at all. He and Keegs are similar opensiders, playing to the ball, but not to the ground, neither turns over the ball much. Deysel is going to have to be our guy to get possession.

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.09.11 16:47:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) : Which is why a loose trio that contains both Keegs and Botes is never very effective, poorly balanced since you have two such similar players. Only thing Keegs offers that Botes does not is another lineout option, and of course the youthful spirit!

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.09.11 16:55:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) : Yeah I disagree with you there. Botes is much more effective as a fetcher than Keegan. And Deysel is our main ball carrier not fetcher, but hey lets see how they go . . .

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.09.11 17:33:45 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 62) :

    I agree, Botes is more effective as a fetcher.

    The problem? Botes isn’t near physical enough at rucks. He gets there quickly, and is an excellent support runner which has helped him score a sh1t-load of tries, but when it comes to locking yourself into a ruck (getting low and staying over the ball) he is average at best.

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.09.11 18:00:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Would be interesting to look at Botes’ turnover statistics in his career. I don’t agree with you two, I really don’t think he is a good fetcher at all. He is an excellent tackler and gets to the breakdown quickly, but in my opinion, does not play to the ground to effect turnovers.

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.09.11 18:19:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 64) :

    If you consider ‘turn-overs’ as being the fetcher role, then your spot on. I’m talking more about supporting runners and acting as the clean-out man as soon as they go to ground. Pocock & McCaw are brilliant at it. Makes it very difficult to win ball from them because these guys are over the ball in no time. So the offensive side…

    Defensively as a ‘fetcher’ Botes is poor though yes.

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.09.11 18:22:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 65) : OK, that is my take as well. McCaw performs the role defensively and offensively superbly, as does Brussow in my opinion.

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.09.11 18:41:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 66) :

    Brussow probably needs to up his game offensively. Defensively he’s better then any of them. But on offense he doesn’t do as much work acting as a support runner and clearing out rucks as the other two. In fact I think stats wise he hits about 1/2 the amount of rucks they do on offense.

    Still makes my World XV any day though. :mrgreen: And he’ll get there. Only his 2nd season of international rugby before we forget.

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.09.11 18:45:12 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 67) : Interesting.

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.09.11 18:47:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I still remember in the B&I Lions series how he just picked up Martyn Williams from a prone position on his stomach, and just threw him to the side. Picked him up like a sack of potatoes! :lol:

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.09.11 18:48:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 68) :

    Brussow pretty much my rugby idol, with me playing openside and all :lol:

    I’m so addicted to it I build up sort of a stats database every Super 15. It’s my drug that I can’t shake unfortunately :grin: :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.09.11 18:52:10 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 69) :

    Yup. Gotta love the attitude. Boks need that winners attitude of not doubting yourself! Him and Schalk will be two most important players in my opinion. I called Schalk Burger 2nd greatest Springbok of all-time the other day on Keo. Phew that didn’t go down well.

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.09.11 18:53:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 71) : You can’t say anything on Keo without a bunch of idiots having a problem with it. Schalk has been a great servant to both WP an SA Rugby.

  • Comment 72, posted at 01.09.11 18:57:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 72) :

    Haha yeah pretty much! There’s a few good characters on there who actually post about rugby and are reasonably friendly, as well as having actual knowledge of the game. It’s just overshadowed by a bunch of tossers who obviously have too much free time :lol:

    I think if Schalk hadn’t broken his neck he would be considered the best on the planet right now. Unfortunately hasn’t been quite the same since, but still in the top 10 easy! That’s why, for me, 2nd greatest of all-time behind the great Danie Gerber!

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.09.11 19:00:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 67) : well he does spend alot of time at the bottom of every breakdown ! :P

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  • @Talent (Comment 74) : usually with his hands on the ball! :wink:

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  • @Talent (Comment 74) :

    If the Sharks sign him for next year, they’re winning the Super 15. Or at the very least they’ll be giving very very generous odds considering the likeliness of it happening! If they could steal Johann Sadie I’d have put it in as a sure thing.

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.09.11 19:05:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • haha agreed ,imagine him deysel and bismarc playing in the same team …be the ish

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 76) : well i think we need centers more than flankers . Deysel daniels combo actually balances itself out ,with keegs doing the linking/running and deysel doing some breakdown work in tandem with bisi-just need to have keegan attend the most rucks ,but heck with the tight 5 we have ruck attendance among the forwards should be immense

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  • @Talent (Comment 78) : not traditional but i think it works

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  • @Talent (Comment 77) :

    Don’t really care much for the individuals alone… rather they’ll have depth in each position as well as strengthening the 2 big weaknesses in the team. But yes Bismarck would be huge. I like Deysel but I’d bench him in favor of Alberts & Kanko. I know, I know… but the game I see the Sharks playing, Kanko needs to be at 8.

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.09.11 19:10:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 78) :

    Think you guys have become a bit too obsessed with the ruck attendance because of the stats they post on here. It’s what you do when you get to those rucks that counts. Brussow would be a HUGE difference maker in the Sharks side, I guarantee it.

    I don’t favor the Sharks over the Cheetahs though so I’m actually hoping he stays with them. :mrgreen:

    But you are right, the Sharks need strong talented centres. Don’t think there is anyone in Natal who can come in though. Not a big fan of Jacobs. Too hesitant on defense even if his completion percentages aren’t terrible.

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.09.11 19:13:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Guys a lil of the subject but after watchin the nation send off the bokke i honestly rate our chances have gone up tremendously..what a proud moment..

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.09.11 19:19:53 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 81) : If not for michalak i wouldnt have minded seeing what bosman looks like at fh ,im a bit worried at the lack of quality in our midfield.
    Kanko needs a heavier t5 imo ,think he strugles being the 2nd/3rd go to ball carrier

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.09.11 19:20:16 by Talent Reply
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  • @shaniboi (Comment 82) :

    I’m hoping I’m not the only one waiting to welcome them at the airport. Will feel a bit silly standing there alone and having them walk past me. I’m not really the type to strike up a conversation :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.09.11 19:20:56 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 83) :

    Don’t know what Plumtree has planned. Has to be the weakest centre combiination in the competition whichever combination they go with… so hopefully he brings someone in from the outside.

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.09.11 19:24:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 84) :

    Whoops I meant at Wellington Airport. So when they arrive… not when they return (as victors of course).

  • Comment 86, posted at 01.09.11 19:28:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 85) : :| dont know about the entire comp but definately nothing dangerous,saying that look what good rugby aus play and their centers are??

  • Comment 87, posted at 01.09.11 19:28:50 by Talent Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 80) : I agree. Kanko just needs to get his form back. Would also favour Alberts ahead of Deysel and play Keegan at 6. Very well balanced loose trio imo.

  • Comment 88, posted at 01.09.11 19:29:17 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 88) :

    Deysel is an excellent player, but Alberts was the best player for the Sharks this year hands down. And a number-8 should be a link between forwards & backs. Someone who can field and return kicks. I wouldn’t move Alberts to accomodate Deysel because I think Kanko is the best man for the job, even if he isn’t always at his best. He still does those things hey!

    At a push I’d have looked at Deysel as a potential lock, and he could play the Danie Rossouw sort of role, but that’s not going to happen.

  • Comment 89, posted at 01.09.11 19:33:37 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 89) : That Danie Rossouw role is more likely to be played by Alberts. Which is actually likely to happen at next years Super15. Unless we go and buy more locks as we are a bit short or SupeRugby level locks.

    As for Kanko, he needs to take his jet shoes out of his closet and put them on. He needs to start running around players again. That’s what made him such a dangerous prospect.

  • Comment 90, posted at 01.09.11 19:40:21 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 90) :

    Can’t see them playing Alberts at lock. If they did, he’d have every reason to be very very disgruntled. I think they’ve got enough depth though with Hargreaves, Skeate, Bresler & Marais. Shouldn’t need much more then that, especially as the Sharks hardly ever have a huge injury crisis.

    Kanko will be alright. The small break from the game might give him some time to freshen up. When you play so much rugby your body is destined to start feeling tired. Should be interesting to see what happens next year!

    Anyway I’m off. 5.45am in the morning here so better get some sleep :mrgreen:

  • Comment 91, posted at 01.09.11 19:45:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 91) : He has played lock for the Sharks before. Good option to have with 30mins left in a game. Take a lock off, move Alberts to lock and bring Deysel on. If that’s the case we can have Deysel and Coetzee on the bench, no need for lock cover. Will have to wait and see what happens. I hope you are right about Kanko.

    Have a good one, cheers…

  • Comment 92, posted at 01.09.11 19:52:39 by Ben Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 91) : The problem with the Sharks Locks is that Marais is the only true 4 lock. All the others are looser 5 locks. Alberts may be a necessity at tight lock from time to time.

  • Comment 93, posted at 01.09.11 19:55:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I also happen to think that Kanko’s perceived dip in form came after Alberts joined the Sharks. I don’t think a loose trio with Alberts and Kanko is well balanced. Alberts is such a strong ball carrier, but does not support very well. Kanko has had to play a tighter game because of Alberts, which does not suit Kanko well. I think Deysel covers the tight game better than Alberts, which would allow Kanko freedom to get back to his running. Just my opinion.

  • Comment 94, posted at 01.09.11 19:58:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 94) : What made you change your mind?

  • Comment 95, posted at 01.09.11 20:01:43 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 95) : Changed my mind? I have been saying for some time now that Kanko is not really in bad form but is rather playing a tighter game and is less visible. Also the tighter game is not his forte. I am not sure I ever said an Alberts/Kanko combination was effective enough. I know I have said in the past that every time Alberts was asked to play at 8 for the Sharks, he had a very poor game.

  • Comment 96, posted at 01.09.11 20:04:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 96) : A wee while ago I said 6 Daniel 7 Alberts 8 Kanko is our best balanced loose trio and I’m 99% sure you agreed with me? :shock:

  • Comment 97, posted at 01.09.11 20:10:26 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 97) : Wasn’t that while Deysel was still injured?

  • Comment 98, posted at 01.09.11 20:11:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 97) : I’m sorry Ben, perhaps I am losing my mind. I have already admitted to having an addled brain to CS on another thread. :wink:

  • Comment 99, posted at 01.09.11 20:12:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 97) : If I did say that, I was wrong, :wink: A K-Dog, Johnnie Diesel and Hoff combo is best!

  • Comment 100, posted at 01.09.11 20:14:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I have an excuse for being all over the map. A tree fell on my house!!!! :lol:

  • Comment 101, posted at 01.09.11 20:18:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Ben you better not be digging through old posts to find where I said just what you claimed I said! :wink:

  • Comment 102, posted at 01.09.11 20:19:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 100) : Pretty sure you agreed. Well imo Kanko’s dip in form is more about the coaching and not about Alberts. Alberts and Deysel are pretty much the same type players. 2 reasons I pick Alberts ahead of Deysel is.

    Deysel is slower than Alberts.

    Alberts is more effective in the ball carrying department. Which is their roles.

    Just my opinion. ;)

  • Comment 103, posted at 01.09.11 20:20:32 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 103) : I completely agree that Alberts is a better ball carrier than Deysel, where I differ is when you say they are pretty much the same type players. Alberts almost never effects turnovers, while Deysel does with regularity. I also think that Deysel’s ruck attendance numbers are better than Alberts.

  • Comment 104, posted at 01.09.11 20:23:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 102) : Nah its called slow internet connection. Frustrating as hell! Believe me.

  • Comment 105, posted at 01.09.11 20:33:42 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 105) : Well considering my only internet access now is either at work or on my phone, I feel for you.

  • Comment 106, posted at 01.09.11 20:34:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 105) : From the article you posted on facebook a quote from Plum:

    “When we’ve been at our most disciplined this year, we’ve played very well, when we’ve conceded a lot of penalties we haven’t played well.”

    A little bit of stating the obvious there don’t you think.

  • Comment 107, posted at 01.09.11 20:41:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : That’s like saying that when I make the correct tactical calls, and sail the boat fast, I am very good, but when I make mistakes and sail the boat poorly I am very bad! :lol:

  • Comment 108, posted at 01.09.11 20:43:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 104) : Alberts always gains yards with ball in hand and almost always tackles opposition players backwards. Better defender than Deysel imo. Both players have their pro’s and con’s. How is it that Deysel affects turnovers with regularity? Does he fetch well or what do you mean?

  • Comment 109, posted at 01.09.11 20:44:05 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 109) : Yes, Deysel does fetch, he plays to the ground, in much the same way Bissie does. I agree with you that with ball in hand and tackling players one on one, Alberts is superior.

  • Comment 110, posted at 01.09.11 20:47:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Deysel seems to have that strong base, low centre of gravity which provides a good platform for effecting turnovers. I don’t think Alberts is nearly as effective staying on his feet and competing for the ball.

  • Comment 111, posted at 01.09.11 20:48:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 107) : I don’t post the articles on FB. It gets done automatically. I really should read properly before clicking yes yes yes. Now they keep posting the articles. :lol:
    :@Dancing Bear (Comment 108) : :lol: Plum is such a wise head.

  • Comment 112, posted at 01.09.11 20:49:05 by Ben Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 111) : I agree that Deysel is more effective in that department. But imo he isn’t effective enough to drop Alberts and play Deysel. Alberts has more Pro’s to me.

  • Comment 113, posted at 01.09.11 20:51:48 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 113) : Ben, my opinion is if it is a one for one swap, you are completely right, Alberts is the superior player, but when one considers the balance of the loose forward trio, I honestly think Deysel would do better with Kanko and K-Dog. Believe it or not, I also think a 6 Botes, 7 Alberts 8 K-Dog is also a better balanced trio. Just my opinion. :wink:

  • Comment 114, posted at 01.09.11 20:54:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • OK, I am off now, got to stop by the house again. Take care Ben!

  • Comment 115, posted at 01.09.11 20:58:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 112) : Actually I was going to say wiseass! :lol:

  • Comment 116, posted at 01.09.11 20:59:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 115) : Cheers Uncle. Thanks for the chat, was nice as always and thankfully we disagree on something. ;) Have a great day and good luck.

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 116) : :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 01.09.11 21:03:56 by Ben Reply

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  • Alot of interest in the make-up of our bench and with Deysel @ 8… I think Jean will do well there considering his strengths and his ability to bring the ball up strongly… Deysel I think can provide a good link between backs and forwards, but all depends on the game they want him to play – there must be a reason why he was chosen there, over and above the glaringly obvious ones like keeping in Coetzee, the pace of Keegs and the injury to Kanko… Oh wait, that might be all the reasons… I cannot see how Adi isn’t in the run on team after perpetually poor midfield performances… Really disappointed in selection and performance in this area… Is Marius Joubert still unfit, or is he just simply out of favour…

  • Comment 118, posted at 02.09.11 12:03:00 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 118) : I have no idea – perhaps he is still in conditioning…

    I would have shopped Keegs and Deysel around or Move Marcell to 8 – but I prefer Keegs at 8 though.

    Who knows with the Sharks – perhaps a whole different combo runs out on the day!

  • Comment 119, posted at 02.09.11 12:40:41 by Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ice Bokkie (Comment 119) : Marcel is actually a 8. I would have played him at 8 and Deysel at 7. Plumtree never seizes to amuse! :roll:

  • Comment 120, posted at 02.09.11 13:26:19 by Ben Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 118) : Marius Joubert and JLP are going to develop a nice frienship at the Sharks. Sitting in the crowd watching the games.

  • Comment 121, posted at 02.09.11 13:45:50 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 121) : And getting paid to do so! :roll: Why don’t they send him out on loan or something!?

  • Comment 122, posted at 02.09.11 13:48:33 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 120) : I know Benna – thats why I said move him to 8 – but on the other hand (Darren) I also like Keegs @ 8…dont think i have ever seen Marcell play 8 yet…only flanker

  • Comment 123, posted at 02.09.11 13:48:47 by Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 122) : I’m talking about JLP. MJ’s contract should just be terminated.

  • Comment 124, posted at 02.09.11 13:54:00 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ice Bokkie (Comment 123) : I want Keegs to play 6 and stay there. In the SupeRugby next year I want this to be our pecking order in the loose trio.

    6. Daniel. Botes backup
    7. Alberts. Deysel backup
    8. Kankowski. Marcell backup

  • Comment 125, posted at 02.09.11 13:59:25 by Ben Reply

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  • I believe Plum has asked Marcell to play more of a ball carrying role in the CC. Watching him in the Vodacom Cup he looked a lot like the old Kankowski. Running through and past players and finding his support runners. Now he’s sort off only bashing it up and not passing. He’s one heck of a 8 imo.

  • Comment 126, posted at 02.09.11 14:03:07 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 125) :

    On current form, Kanko doesn’t deserve a starting spot..

  • Comment 127, posted at 02.09.11 14:03:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 125) : u think Kanko is still up for a start? Seems injury proned lately..

  • Comment 128, posted at 02.09.11 14:04:12 by Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 126) : And I believe Marcell was asked to do this because Deysel and Alberts were away on Bok duty. Now Deysel is back and Kanko is injured. Why not play Marcell at 8?

  • Comment 129, posted at 02.09.11 14:05:36 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ice Bokkie (Comment 128) :

    And off form.. I wonder if its a mental thing for him..

  • Comment 130, posted at 02.09.11 14:05:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 127) : @Ice Bokkie (Comment 128) : I rate Kankowski very highly. He is my favourite player in the Sharks team. But his form has dipped seriously and I hope he gets back to his best.

  • Comment 131, posted at 02.09.11 14:08:19 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 131) : But I agree. On current form he can’t start.

  • Comment 132, posted at 02.09.11 14:10:12 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 131) :

    We can only hope he comes back with a bang in October!

  • Comment 133, posted at 02.09.11 14:10:46 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 133) : Let me tell you Rich, Kanko on form is easily the best 8 in the country! Or am I delusional with favouritism? :lol:

  • Comment 134, posted at 02.09.11 14:14:40 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 134) : I agree! Kanko on form (with a team that supports his style) is the best in the business.

  • Comment 135, posted at 02.09.11 14:23:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 134) :

    I can’t argue that..

    Kanko would best suit an Aussie style of play though, and not really a South African or lately Sharks style..

  • Comment 136, posted at 02.09.11 14:40:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 135) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 136) : Sad but true..

  • Comment 137, posted at 02.09.11 14:45:24 by Ben Reply

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