Richard Ferguson

Where to from here for Bulls


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Bulls, Currie Cup, Original Content on 5 Sep 2011 at 13:41
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It’s an odd sight, seeing the Bulls down in sixth spot on a Currie Cup log, and something that non-Bulls supporters would have thought was not going to happen for quite some time. The thing is, I am of the opinion that they will stay right where they are, not getting close to even fourth spot on the log.

My reasoning for that is quite simple. The season for them is basically over, and if you look at their fixture list, it only gets tougher the further you look down. They might end the season with three games against the minnow teams (one of which is against Griquas in Kimberley), but before that, there are still trips to Bloemfontein (this weekend) and Johannesburg.

That said, a home game for the Bulls doesn’t necessarily equate to points either, with this weekend’s match against the Sharks a prime example. And there they still have to face a Western Province outfit that is in a two horse race with the Sharks for the second home semi-final spot.

The bad news for the Bulls is, where other teams are expecting a list of Springboks to return from New Zealand, they don’t have many real stars coming back for them. They will lose in the region of 400 caps in Bakkies Botha, Danie Rossouw, Fourie du Preez and Victor Matfield, which is a lot of experience to be without going into a SupeRugby tournament.

The Boks that are returning though, include Chiliboy Ralapelle, who will most likely lead the team ahead of Gary Botha, Pierre Spies, Francois Hougaard and Morne Steyn. Even though these players will make a huge difference in key positions, the team as a whole is very young and will need a few years to grow into the Bulls team we have come to know.

In closing, I think the Bulls are going to have a torrid few weeks in the Currie Cup, and new coach Pine Pienaar will have the luxury of giving the youngsters a decent run at Currie Cup level with nothing to play for.



47 Comments

  • Log still wide open imo.

    Only 4 points between 2nd & 5th.

    Slip up once and it could be game over.

    Lions also don’t have 1st place sewn up just yet. :twisted:

    Still plenty of water to run under that bridge.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.09.11 13:46:52 by McLovin Reply
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  • Gary Botha is also leaving. The whole attitude needs to change in Pretoria. At the moment they stick with players through poor performances. They are very keen to sign on every talented youngster in SA, then stick them in a Vodacom Cup squad.

    Players like Arno Botha don’t deserve to be dropped after excellent performances for average players like Potgieter or Stegmann. Until their approach to that changes, they’ll keep losing.

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.09.11 13:48:11 by hendrikp Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 1) :

    You don’t like agreeing with anything I say today, do you?! ;-)

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.09.11 13:48:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 2) :

    That is true..

    On the one hand you have Muzi talking up all these talented centres, yet you have Zane “I’m no centre” Kirchner playing out of position..

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.09.11 13:49:55 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 1) :

    Is it ‘hate the Lions day’ in McLovinville??

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.09.11 13:52:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) : Unintentional, I promise. :mrgreen:

    Log is close & supporters are nervous.

    Good time to point out some ‘facts’. :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.09.11 13:52:46 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 6) :

    Im just speculating.. Its interesting to speculate..

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.09.11 13:54:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 5) : Nah, just revving them a bit. Hoogste bome etc. :twisted:

    Will probably have to shut up after WP’s next visit to Ellis Park. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.09.11 13:54:39 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) : Love it. :smile:

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.09.11 13:55:34 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) :

    Pretty much! Shows the bad side of Heyneke Meyer as well. All good with building a side but can’t move on if it hasn’t worked out.

    They’ll be stuck with players like Greyling, Werner Kruger (said it before, most overrated player in SA), Dewald Potgieter, Deon Stegmann, Bjorn Basson & Zane Kirchner for a few more years at least. Look at how long he kept Jaco Pretorius on :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.09.11 13:57:40 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 10) :

    At least Kuun retired himself.. he won’t have to be dropped :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.09.11 14:00:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) :

    True that. Had the balls to know his rugby career wasn’t heading in the right direction. Actually thought he was an excellent player when still U-21, but then the Bulls really got their hands on him. :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.09.11 14:05:25 by hendrikp Reply

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  • The Bulls are going to end 4th on the log. They are going to beat the Lions in the semi final and then the wp in the final :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.09.11 14:07:08 by Bloubloubul Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 8) : :grin:

    Well at least we know you can handle the abuse! ;-)

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.09.11 14:07:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 10) : woooah – hang on. Wors Greyling is a good prospect. And say what you like about Basson, but he scored two bloody good tries on Saturday.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.09.11 14:07:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 13) :

    Should make for some entertaining rugby!

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.09.11 14:08:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I`ve got 2 words of sympathy for the bulls : Promotion / Relegation! :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.09.11 14:16:28 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 13) : someone pinch this oke, please? :)

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.09.11 14:19:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • I don’t reckon the Bulls situation is that dire.

    Short term, yes.

    But they’ll be back on top, or near the top, in no time.

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.09.11 14:19:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 17) : LOVE it :)

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.09.11 14:20:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lmao I don’t know about you guys but I hate the bulls with a passion I would love for them to stay 6th and lose promotion /relegation match to the kings hahahaha that would make my whole flippin year

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.09.11 14:24:24 by Poisy Reply
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  • It used to be called ”rebuilding”. :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.09.11 14:25:23 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 17) : yeaaaaa!!!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.09.11 14:27:29 by Franshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : he is walking dead among the living today, forgive him for he does not know what’s happening around him now…
    I’ll would pinch him but nou nou what his got is contagious… ;)

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.09.11 14:30:22 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 24) : you know… That loosing fewer…

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.09.11 14:31:25 by Franshark Reply
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  • :mrgreen: I am 100% sure sharkies and WP supporters are enjoying this tough period in bulls rugby.

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.09.11 15:02:16 by Muzi Reply

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  • Hey man im a through and through WP supporter so my disdain for all things Bulls needs never be questioned but come on, a Currie Cup without the Bulls?Not on.

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.09.11 15:22:35 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 27) : Agree.

    Us WP fans appreciate the history of the game. ;-) :twisted:

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.09.11 15:28:33 by McLovin Reply

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  • And also we’ve all had a quiet laugh at the Bulls struggles in the last few seasons only to have the bladdy buggers come back and flip us the bird in a big way.

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.09.11 15:31:41 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • I’m with you guys… and the only reason a lot of Sharks fans “hate” the Bulls is because of the sustained success they’ve achieved over the last goodness-knows how many years.

    The sort of success we can only dream of.

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.09.11 15:38:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bloubloubul (Comment 13) :

    And then you woke up too find the Boks won the World Cup ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.09.11 15:43:27 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) :

    Spoken like a true Pretoria boy .. :cool:

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.09.11 15:44:45 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 27) : Exactly, who wants to beat a weak Bulls / WP team. The better the team the more satisfying the victory.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.09.11 15:48:38 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • I don’t think you can ever write a Bulls team off. I don’t think those guys take well to coaching changes, remember what happened in the 2008 Super 14? But they did come back to win the 09 and 10 Super 14 titles. In a way I’m happy the Sharks have played them twice already this Currie cup, before they build up a head of steam near the end of the season.

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.09.11 16:02:28 by war1 Reply
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  • i think the players are all trying their best which is not translating into a team effort – to please the new coach. Making statements like ”no more twitter and concentrate on rugby ” was probabely enough to unnerve them.They’ll pull themselves together they’re good at that.

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.09.11 16:32:40 by Caratacus Reply

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  • Down to the 1st Division? :twisted:

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.09.11 17:49:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Enjoy it while you can, I have just one warning.

    Against the All Blacks, Morne Steyn is worth between 18 and 31 points.

    Against lesser opponents than that, say for example the Sharks…..

    Add it and weep.

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.09.11 20:16:19 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 37) : Are you having decimal point problems? Did you mean 1,8 and 3,1? :razz:

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.09.11 20:42:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 37) : And how many points does he let through the turnstiles? :razz:

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.09.11 20:43:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 37) : He was worth 13 points last time out against the very same “lesser” opposition could you maybe remind me how that turned out for you? :twisted:

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.09.11 20:48:45 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) :

    Greyling is on the lesser side of terrible. He at the very least is able to get through a game without humiliating himself. But the basics we look for in a prop, that is what Greyling is missing. Even harped on about the big front row that was facing OZ & NZ in Australasia. We all know how that turned out. Coenie Oosthuizen and Beast Mtawarira should be ahead of him next year, and in the very near future also Steven Kitshoff & Morne Mellett. Would also select Heinke van der Merwe ahead of him but that’s not going to happen after that incident with Mujati.

    As for Bjorn Basson. Rugby is 50% defense. If he can’t tackle… which he can’t, then why is he in the team? He needs to realise that he should apply himself more to that side of the game if he wants to be an international. :grin:

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.09.11 03:33:34 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Unlike many people, I do believe the Bulls have the right players to go back to the top. They just need to find the right combinations and be brave enough to cut the dead wood out.

    When Heyneke first started, I remember him doing exactly that – axing all the dead weight and bringing in new untried names.

    Wynand has had his worse year since he started playing rugby. Kirchner has improved at centre, but we have better talent in the group. Dewald Potgieter is not shaping up, yet Botha is on the bench with others waiting in the wings. Flip has lost his head but J Potgieter has joined the group. The talent is there. The difficult part is picking the right personel and then making them gel. When that happens, teams beware. Until that happens, :???:

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.09.11 11:37:01 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • There is nothing wrong with the players at the Bulls disposal. They are guys that have won at Junior levels etc. The problem is that they tend to make a lot of mistakes and dont have that steely dtermination that Bulls sides of the past have had. They also seem to be starting to pick flashy players whose defense is very quenstionable.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.09.11 12:07:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It’s an odd sight, seeing the Bulls down in sixth spot on a Currie Cup log, and something that non-Bulls supporters would have thought was not going to happen for quite some time.

    Brings a tear to my eye.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.09.11 11:27:55 by klempie Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 17) : Bahahahaha!

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.09.11 11:31:44 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 44) : Mine as well . . . tears of laughter that is. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.09.11 13:08:25 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 46) : Tears of joy for me. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.09.11 13:20:24 by klempie Reply

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