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Sharks U21′s to face Cheetahs


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 16 Sep 2011 at 10:17
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The Sharks U21 team to face the Cheetahs U21 team as the curtain raiser for Saturday’s main Currie Cup game, sees a few changes to the line-up following their 88 – 10 victory over the Valke last Saturday.

In the forwards, Monde Hadebe returns to captain the side at hooker, and Nick Schonert will scrum down next to him, replacing Shaun Malton and Njabulo Mkize respectively. In the second row, Karolis Navickas returns to the bench to make way for the impressive Pieter-Stef du Toit.

Amongst the backs, some normality returns as Cobus Reinach returns to scrumhalf after the experiment of playing Fred Zeilinga at 9, while the only other change is Nico van der Westhuizen returning to the starting line up for Kayde Fisher, who drops to the bench.

There is a new face on the bench, Gideon Bruwer being the reserve hooker in the absence of Shaun Malton. Kick off for the U21 match will be at 12h40.

The Sharks U21: 15. Gouws Prinsloo, 14. Jaco van Tonder, 13. Piet Lindeque, 12. Heimar Williams, 11. Nico van der Westhuizen, 10. Paul Jordaan, 9. Cobus Reinach, 8. Lubabalo Mtembu, 7. Siseko Jafta, 6. Chris Cloete, 5. Peet Marais, 4. Pieter-Stef su Toit, 3. Nick Schonert, 2. Monde Hadebe (Capt), 1. Danie Mienie.

Reserves: 16. Gideon Bruwer, 17. Njabulo Mkize, 18. Karolis Navickas, 19. Brynard Stander, 20. Fred Zeilinga, 21. Andrew Norton, 22. Kayde Fisher



73 Comments

  • This should be a rather interesting game.. Let’s hope its on TV..

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.09.11 10:31:12 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Siseko Jafta had a great game against the Valke.

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.09.11 10:48:18 by Ben Reply
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  • But so did Piet Lindeque and Paul Jordaan.

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.09.11 10:48:58 by Ben Reply
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  • Go get them Sharks :smile:

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.09.11 10:49:29 by chaz Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 1) : I doubt it but really hope so. It will more than likely show later the night.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.09.11 10:51:22 by Ben Reply
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  • Fred z on the bench? Interesting indeed….

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.09.11 10:55:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 5) :

    I tried the SS website, it doesn’t look likely..

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.09.11 10:57:19 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Zeilinga should be playing U19 instead of sitting on the bench? Or no? :smile:

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.09.11 10:59:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) : Its about time you load an avatar

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.09.11 11:11:19 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 9) :

    Makes it easier to know who’s posting hey! :razz:

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.09.11 11:23:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 10) : Nah man, I hate that blank avatar its like chatting to a shadow, plus with the cool insite you give it feels as if you arent going to stick around on the site.

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.09.11 11:30:17 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 11) :

    Agreed.. Now you are permanent staff!

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.09.11 11:39:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) :

    :mrgreen:

    Quick question. Who you guys think should captain the Sharks next year?

    It’s pretty straight-forward everywhere besides maybe the Bulls (think it’ll go to Potgieter, but would prefer Ralepelle) and the Sharks.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.09.11 11:45:17 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 13) :

    It will probably end up with Keegan again, but that is a problem when you look at the loose forwards..

    Not sure if Hargreaves is up to it?

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.09.11 11:48:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) :
    Where is the game being played? It doesnt look like its being televised.

    Might have to head to Kings Park if its a home game.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.09.11 11:48:15 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 15) :

    All the teams play in Bloemfontein this weekend..

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.09.11 11:50:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) :

    Yeah was thinking Keegan. Sort of wish Hargreaves would get some form because he’d be ideal, but he’s not sure of his spot either at the moment. Would almost be tempted to give it to Willem Alberts if he thinks he’s up to it.

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.09.11 11:53:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 17) :

    The problem is that we do not really have a player that is certain of his position, unless you give it to Stef again, but that would be a huge step in the wrong direction..

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.09.11 11:54:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) :

    True that.
    Ideally I’d have:
    Bulls – Chilliboy Ralepelle (he deserves it. Had a good S15 2011)
    Cheetahs – Juan Smith (or Adriaan Strauss if he’s unfit)
    Lions – Joshua Strauss (assured of his place in the team and has done a good job. deserves it)
    Sharks – Really not sure… :roll: Might have to end up juggling again as they did in 2011.
    Stormers – Schalk Burger

    Springboks – Schalk Burger or Juan Smith. Would prefer Schalk, just.

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.09.11 11:59:38 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 16) :
    Scheisse!

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.09.11 12:02:45 by John Galt Reply

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  • I fully intend on asking Hoskins what they’re going to do next year to try catch up to the All Blacks Head-to-Head (should be our goal right there) if I see him at the game tomorrow. :mrgreen:

    And when they’re going to implement that ‘central contracting system’ so that the Bulls can’t keep signing EVERYBODY.

    Time he puts his foot down instead of just getting along. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.09.11 12:04:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 19) :
    Bulls – Potgieter or Chilli
    Cheetahs – Juan, always Juan (Strauss if Juan isnt available)
    Lions – Josh, its whats working.
    Sharks – Keegan. Noone else.
    Stormers – Jean de Villiers **

    ** Not the popular choice as the players do rally around Schalk i just feel that Jean makes better decisions when there is crap on a collision course with a fan.

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.09.11 12:07:39 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 19) :

    What about Bismark? Give him the responsibility?

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.09.11 12:10:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 22) :

    Jean is too much of a joker for my liking. I prefer Schalk who gives it 110% all the time. Like you said they really do rally around him. Plus he’s a forward.

    But each to his own. :grin:

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.09.11 12:12:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 24) : I’ve seen Schalk throw away too much points in knock out games

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.09.11 12:13:39 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 23) :

    Could work. If Bismarck is willing I’m sure he’d step up. Tell the players to vote! :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.09.11 12:15:10 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I really wanna see more of Ralapelle!

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.09.11 12:16:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 25) :

    Fair enough. But would say that’s more a coaching issue. John Smit is probably our greatest captain, yet I still feel like throttling him for not taking the early points against Australia in Durban. :lol:

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.09.11 12:17:18 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) : The one issue I have with Ralapelle is he always looks so damned happy.

    I much prefer my rakes a more angry salt of the earth type, also would not mind if they did not really do well at school.

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.09.11 12:19:14 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 27) :

    Actually had a freaking good S15 I thought. Very unfair that he had to rotate with Gary Botha.

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.09.11 12:21:50 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 29) :

    He does have a bit of an idiot smirk, doesn’t he? haha!

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.09.11 12:23:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 29) :

    Prefer him over Potgieter because at least you’d have a guy who deserves his place in the team and should be there for the next few years.

    Potgieter is 3rd on my list of most overrated players in SA at the moment. Right behind Werner Kruger (1st) and Deon Stegmann (2nd) :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.09.11 12:27:45 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 32) :

    Ironically, only Bulls players?!

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.09.11 12:28:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 32) : Eish Slegmann.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.09.11 12:29:37 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 33) :

    The Crusaders of South African rugby. You only need to be in the top 5 in your position to become a Springbok.

    But I do rate Wynand Olivier highly :grin: Ironic I know.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.09.11 12:33:28 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 13) : Keegan should and will captain the team next year. His spot is secured. If he doesn’t play 8 he’ll play 6. Bismarck has got far too much attitude to captain the team and Ali Hargreaves will be a good vice captain.

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.09.11 12:34:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) : No surprises there. You also rate Marius Joubert! ;) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.09.11 12:39:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 36) :

    True. I look forward to the day the Sharks find a genuine openside :grin: But Keegan the best option there at the moment you’re right!

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.09.11 12:40:47 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 37) :

    To be fair. I didn’t say I rate Marius Joubert… I was pointing out why I’d start him over Adi Jacobs at this stage. The Sharks need physicality in the centres. If he doesn’t pick up his game, he definitely needs to retire.

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.09.11 12:42:44 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 39) : I was kidding ;)

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.09.11 12:44:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 39) :

    Stef out of the centres is at least a step in the right direction..

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.09.11 12:45:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 39) : My prediction is Marius will be kak against the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.09.11 12:46:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 40) :

    I know but just thought I’d clear that up :mrgreen: Like to think of a good backline as a recipe. If you’re missing some ingredients it’s not going to work. In this case it’s a physical hard running centre because it limits your options.

    @Ben (Comment 42) :

    Probably, but hopefully he comes good because the Sharks need either solid depth at centre, or a star who can be the ‘franchise’ centre.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.09.11 12:48:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Who did Marius play with at the Cheetahs. Meyer Bosman?

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.09.11 12:49:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : I agree. But imo Adi could have been the franchise centre by now had he been given more game time. More starts at 13.

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.09.11 12:52:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : What position does Tim Whitehead prefer playing? 12 or 13?

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.09.11 12:53:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 45) :

    You guys think that because of what Adi has done coming off the bench. Wishful thinking. He’s not hard the pressure of 80 mins trying to be perfect. He’s had his chance to establish himself but couldn’t, especially late in games where his smaller frame just couldn’t keep up with the physicality.

    I really like him as an impact player like Plumtree is using him now, but I wouldn’t go near him as a starting centre.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.09.11 12:54:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 46) :

    12, but you don’t want Whitehead. What was the name of that Sharks centre that kept Andries Strauss out for ages? Grant Rees I think?

    He’d be on par with Keil or Rees. The Sharks should aim higher then that.

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.09.11 12:57:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 47) : His “smaller frame doesn’t count that much when playing 13. 12 yes maybe but you really don’t have to weigh 100kg’s to play 13. Adi can mix it with the big guys. He has proven this.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.09.11 12:59:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 48) : Haven’t seen much of Whitehead but heard the rumours. Only reason I’m asking.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.09.11 13:00:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 50) : You guys should give Frikkie Walsh a call :twisted:

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.09.11 13:02:41 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 48) : But I really do hope that Piet Lindeque and Heimar Williams can make the step up in the future.

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.09.11 13:03:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 51) : No thanks. But that wouldn’t surprise me! :evil:

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.09.11 13:05:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) :

    We’ll have to agree to differ. :mrgreen:

    @Ben (Comment 50) :

    Fair enough. He’s like a back-up QB in the NFL. He can do a job for you if there are injuries… even make a decent substitute. But you shouldn’t rely on him as a starter (at S15 level).

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.09.11 13:05:20 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 52) :

    I wouldn’t bet on it. Still reckon Paul Jordaan is a blerry good option at 12 for the future – but seems they like him at 10.

    JP du Plessis starting again for Western Province U21′s – with no contract as of yet. He’s definitely better then Lindeque :lol:

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.09.11 13:10:05 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 54) : Agreed to have differed. Appreciate your opinion though.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.09.11 13:10:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 51) : You want me to come wash your mouth out with soap!? Delete that comment right now!

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.09.11 13:10:43 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 55) : I really don’t want enough u19 and u21 games to have a constructive opinion about the youngsters. Should watch more actually!

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.09.11 13:13:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 58) : Don’t watch enough I meant to say!

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.09.11 13:15:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 57) : hehehehe

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.09.11 13:19:25 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) : how is Paul Jordaans kicking game? Does he look a balanced 10(Nick evens) type 10? Would you pick zillinga?

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.09.11 14:51:49 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 2) : let’s see how jordaan goes against a more organised side than the valke. he had a jol last week with the valke defence all manned by turnstile Bosman-like players :lol:

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.09.11 15:28:45 by Megatron Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 55) : pffft lindeque is a dam good player and so is jordaan, but ya keen to see how they cope :)

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.09.11 15:38:19 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 63) :

    Happy to be proven wrong. Sort of brings me back to Bulls players being favored.

    How did Bradley Moolman, or that Skosan guy make the SA U20 squad ahead of Lindeque, or any half-decent winger in Skosans case?

    Seems if you live in Pretoria you’ve pretty much got your foot in the door. :lol:

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.09.11 16:37:30 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 64) : and Skosan STILL made the team before Tshotsho in the England game :roll:

    Dawie Theron is dom.

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.09.11 16:58:28 by Megatron Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 64) : as long as Eric Sauls is still involved with both the Baby Boks and Blue Bulls development then the favouring of Blue Bulls boys won’t stop…

    check this team:

    2008 SA Under-20 squad:
    Cecil Africa (Griffons), Henry Bantjes (Blue Bulls), Francois Brummer (Blue Bulls), Juan de Jong (Western Province), Stefan Dippenaar (Blue Bulls), Robert Ebersohn (Free State), Dewaldt Duvenage (Boland), Corne Fourie (Blue Bulls), Cornel Hess (Blue Bulls), Wiehahn Herbst (Natal), Francois Hougaard (Blue Bulls), Frederick Kirsten (Blue Bulls), Nick Koster (Western Province), Luvuyiso Lusaseni (Natal), Lionel Mapoe (Free State), Martin Muller (Western Province), Thiliphatu Marole (Natal), Sabelo Nhlapo (Natal), Wilton Pietersen (Free State), Jean Rossouw (Western Province), Omphile Seabela (Blue Bulls), Pieter-Willem van Vuuren (Free State), Johan van Deventer (Golden Lions), Gerrit-Jan van Velze (Blue Bulls), Stefan Watermeyer (Blue Bulls), Vainon Willis (Blue Bulls).

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.09.11 17:01:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 66) :

    Bit of a joke yeah. He was a terrible coach as well when in charge, so not sure what’s going on there. Maybe Theron will ask to get rid of him finally :roll:

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.09.11 17:08:07 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 55) : Well I agree. Also prefer him at 12. Have seen a lot of Paul from the 7′s to age groups. He doesn’t really strike me as a 10 at all. I know 7′s is a lot different than the 15 game but its a pretty decent indication. Would actually love to see Paul J at 12 and Piet L at 13 for the Sharks senior side against the Leopards in Rustenburg. That is a combination for the future imo.

  • Comment 68, posted at 17.09.11 01:18:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 62) : :lol: Recipe for disaster! :roll:

  • Comment 69, posted at 17.09.11 01:21:20 by Ben Reply
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  • One would swear there is a World Cup under way or something! :evil:

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  • sharks u21 leading 20-9 halftime. Good play by sharks

  • Comment 71, posted at 17.09.11 13:36:12 by FS Shark Reply

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  • Any Full Time score?

  • Comment 72, posted at 17.09.11 15:46:24 by Ben Reply
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  • Sharks U21 won 43 – 21.

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