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Sharks in the pound seats


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Lions, Original Content, Sharks, WP on 27 Sep 2011 at 10:06
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While I realise that most Sharks fans are quite happy wallowing in the doom and gloom of yet another poor performance against substandard opposition (notwithstanding the 5 log points gained), I feel duty-bound to point out the, shall we say, “interesting” developments that have unfolded on the log this weekend.

Simply put, as a consequence of the losses suffered by both Western Province and the Lions, the Sharks have found themselves in second position after the weekend. In short, a home semi-final is now completely within their grasp, so long as they can keep winning.

Even better news, though, is this… the Lions’ stumble against the Bulls has brought them back within striking distance at the top of the log too and although the permutations are far too tricky to contemplate at this stage, it nevertheless remains quite likely that the Sharks could end up playing the Lions for top spot when the latter side comes to Durban in three weeks time.

As Richard has already reported, the Blue Bulls appear to have done enough to get themselves back into the reckoning and with an away fixture against Griquas their only real remaining hurdle, they should be a pretty good pick to grab one of the away semi positions. The Cheetahs are in a similar position, with two easier-seeming games to come after they face the Lions this weekend and it’s the men from Bloemfontein that now surely pose the greatest threat to both the Sharks and the Lions. Simply put, only the Lions can now stop the Cheetahs from surging into home semi-final territory when the two play in Bloem this weekend and from a Sharks perspective, that match can only have a good result.

Assuming the Lions win, then the Cheetahs fall further behind the Sharks (assuming, of course, a home win against Western Province, which must be non-negotiable anyway) and will in that case all-but-certainly cede second place to the men from Durban. Should the Cheetahs win, though, it leaves the Lions needing wins from both of their remaining fixtures, against Western Province and the Sharks, in order to cling to top spot. They could, in fact, fall as far as third if they lose to both the Cheetahs and the Sharks.

Province, as already mentioned, have a real mountain to climb too, with two tough away games in their future and a horrible injury list that has already contributed to no points from their last two starts.

Permutations aplenty, that’s for sure, but for the Sharks, a win against Province this weekend followed by a five-point haul against the Leopards the week afterwards should see them in a good position to challenge for a home semi-final – and possibly a home final too – when the Lions come to Kings Park in three weeks time. Now if that doesn’t make the fans feel a bit better, I’m not sure what will.



76 Comments

  • It’s great when there’s a compo that has surprises around every corner. Hopefully this trend continues right up to the final at Kingspark :mrgreen:

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.09.11 10:14:16 by beet Reply
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  • Any news on how the Sharks team will look like this week? Plus how good has Bosmann been this last few games? I hope he carries on with this upward curve.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.09.11 10:15:08 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Seems I am going to get two extra games for my press pass this year.. Awesome!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.09.11 10:36:44 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • When is Kanko going to be back? About now?

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.09.11 10:44:26 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 4) : shouldn’t be long

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.09.11 10:47:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 4) :
    @robdylan (Comment 5) :

    Do we want him back, in the form he was?

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.09.11 10:52:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) : to be honest, yes we do. Our loose trio at the moment is simply too light for the game Plum is trying to play.

    I also think Coetzee needs a game or two for the u21s to get his confidence back

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.09.11 10:54:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) :

    I hope he comes back soon then, we cant afford to play him out of form in the semi’s

    And I agree with your Marcell Coetzee comment, just a shame to unsettle a good U21 loose trio..

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.09.11 10:58:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • next question…. wonder if Durban is going to get off its lazy ass and get down to the Park to support the boys this weekend…

    Newlands would be full under similar circumstances

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.09.11 11:04:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    Yeah.. Its also holiday now for the kids, so we should see a good turnout..

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.09.11 11:06:34 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) :

    But I share your concern.. Durbanites who supposedly love rugby so much and cannot make an effort to get to a game..

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.09.11 11:07:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : yet are quick to bitch and moan when the team doesn’t win every game by 50 points…

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.09.11 11:11:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) :

    Agree dude!

    Its not like its expensive either, and its central, and its safe..

    No excuse..

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.09.11 11:12:34 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • How did we do against the Leopards last time around? :)

    Rugby is a funny old game.

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.09.11 11:35:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 3) : I LIKE!!!

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.09.11 11:36:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Probably not, but on the flipside, I was at the Newlands match and it was not even 30% full. :(

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.09.11 11:38:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “followed by a five-point haul against the Leopards the week afterwards”… The sharks didnt manage to get a 5 point haul against the Leopards at HOME last time… With this sharks team, no points can be considered “in the bank”. Although a meager 4 pointer that week will all but claim the sharks a semi spot, regardless of whether they lose to WP and the Lions, bearing in mind that the top 4 teams all play each other in the weeks to come.

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.09.11 11:42:55 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 13) : I feel an article coming on :)

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.09.11 11:43:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • What was the attendance in Durban at the Griquas game? It looked like the only people there were the players families and the MILFs who are stalking Freddie.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.09.11 11:48:03 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 17) : this is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy, though… if we as fans get to the stage that we don’t believe our boys can pick up 5 points against the Leopards, we might as well throw in the towel right now and rather do something else with our time.

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.09.11 11:51:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 19) : Rich said it was under 9k…. shocking

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.09.11 11:53:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Well yes, and no. Im all for the win first, just as I believe we can role WP and the Lions. To be honest for all their mastery of this CC so far, the Lions have some serious weaknesses that can be exploited. They have profited from a small number of injuries and the fact that they have lost exactly 1 player to the Boks (who hardly played for them in the Super 15 anyway) allowing them some serious continuity. Despite that fact they have hardly pulverized the other top teams who are missing more Boks than the Lions have produced cumulatively over the past 10 years. Im looking forward to the sharks picking up 12 points from their next 4 games.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.09.11 11:54:50 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Excuse me, I think I must have misread your post, I thought you said under 9 000 people. There were more people than that at my sons under 6 rugby practice last week…

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.09.11 11:56:38 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Bit of a two-way street though, don’t you think? To quote: “Simply put, as a consequence of the losses suffered by both Western Province and the Lions, the Sharks have found themselves in second position after the weekend.” And that’s part of the problem; the Sharks are not creating the impression that they are sitting pretty on the log by virtue of their performances, but rather (at least partially) due to the mishaps of others.

    Not saying the fans should abandon them or lose the faith, but I understand why fans are feeling disillusioned. Would make an interesting artice though as to why rugby is so ingrained into the psyche of Stormers and Bulls fans that their support is less dependent on actual on-field performance, whereas Sharks supporters seem to be more like investors; performance is required first before support will follow.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.09.11 11:58:05 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 22) : The sharks still have FOUR games to play? That should help them get to top spot, everyone else has only three games left :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.09.11 11:58:09 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 25) : Touché… listen, Im as happy as the next guy that the Lions are taking positive steps… Im pretty sick of the one way banter that has occurred in recent years. It feels like the last time I had a competitive rugby argument with a Lions fan, was when we were debating whether Uli Schmidt or John Allan should be the Bok starting hooker.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.09.11 12:04:08 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • The weather was poor in Dibben last weekend. People don’t want to pay a lot of money to get wet + it was just the Pumas.

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.09.11 12:11:25 by beet Reply
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  • Bulls to get 5.
    Griquas only 4.
    Cheetahs also 4.
    Sharks just scraping through for 4 points.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.09.11 12:12:23 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 25) : :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.09.11 12:14:45 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 25) : Greg, one of those games is the mindgames we’ll be playing with you in the lead up to the 15/10/2011. Hopefully top spot will be at stake and we’ll win both “games” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.09.11 12:14:50 by beet Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 25) : I was waiting for you to show yourself, your blerri lions droped us on FL this weekend ;)

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.09.11 12:15:59 by Franshark Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 27) : The Wildeklawer Pumas??

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.09.11 12:15:59 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 30) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.09.11 12:17:00 by Franshark Reply
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  • Am I the only one that thinks that WP and the Lions at home are not as easy as we think? We will be lucky to get 4 points in total from those games! In terms of the numbers at the games, the modern day rugby public will only watch if they get entertainment value. There is no such thing as die hard supporters anymore,

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.09.11 12:18:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • So Rob, why does IE tell me that this site is insecure?
    Watcha been up to?

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.09.11 12:20:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 32) : See. My point exactly. That’s how downgraded the visiting team was to us Durbanites. I couldn’t even get the name right and I was there at Kingspark. :mrgreen:

    But seriously, I think the Union has to come to the party as well.
    For teams like Griquas, Pumas, Leopards – have a look at pricing structures, play a value for money curtain-raiser for Pete’s sake and worst of worst consider local area delayed broadcasts.

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.09.11 12:21:02 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 30) : I think the mind games are actually going to be very important, especially the one for the Lions following this week’s loss. How they come back from that this weekend will probably be a key indicator as to how the season and final log pans out. Should the Lions get over the loss, and win this weekend, they could go all the way. A second loss in consecutive weeks, and the wheels could well come off completely.

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.09.11 12:24:02 by Greg Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 35) : dunno what you mean boss?

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.09.11 12:24:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : Dude, every person who still supports the Sharks super rugby side is a die hard supporter. No team flatters to deceive at super rugby level quite as well as the Sharks. What is it now, 3 finals (4 if you include super 10), multiple semi’s and exactly how many titles again? Following Sharks super rugby seasons are like watching reruns of “The crying game”. Superficially everything seems to be going well, but you know its all going to end in tears.

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.09.11 12:25:34 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 36) : Look at the pricing structures? A grand stand seat is R50. If they drop the price much more than that, they wont be able to afford switching the lights back on mid-game!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.09.11 12:27:19 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 31) : They dropped me too, quite badly, just when I was starting to make a move. I was 13th in round 7, I won round 8, second in round 9, and i won round 10. Round 11 I was 76th :oops: At least I have held on to 7th on the overall log.

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.09.11 12:29:10 by Greg Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 40) : jeez, fewer than 10k seats sold at around R50 each? That’s less than half a bar… don’t see how they can keep paying salaries with that sort of taking…

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.09.11 12:30:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) : 30 percent is a lot for that game, Id say about 20%.

    Bulls and Stormers hardly get big crowds for games against the Pumas and Leopards, well not unless they are playing in Potch/Witbank/Neelspruit.

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.09.11 12:33:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 40) : What about 2 tickets for R25 as an experiment. You get the same revenue but double the crowd, forget the spinoff of improved atmosphere and food/drink income.

    I know the guys running the show aren’t sleeping. Pricing has to go hand in hand with season ticket and box sales, otherwise loyal fans may feel ripped off but if they want bigger crowds, they’re going to have to become more creative and smarter about the way do things.

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.09.11 12:33:14 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Well actually, probably less, as several of the people there would have been season ticket holders, so one shudders to think how many tickets were actually sold for that game! Forget moving to Moses Mabida, at this rate the Sharks will be moving to Crusaders.

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.09.11 12:33:59 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 36) :

    R50 is nothing for a game of rugby.. seriously?

    As for the curtain raiser, I am all for it, play a school derby if you have a bye on the Age Group stuff.. but dont just play one game!

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.09.11 12:35:18 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 39) : haha yeh i get your point. But ,and im talking of the Kings park crowd here, the people that go watch want entertainment and arent there to support rugby. they would moan if the sharks won 6-3 as much as if the Sharks lost. They are too worried bout their kids, or starting the braai or about the flasher girls etc.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.09.11 12:35:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 44) : How about R50 gets you a ticket and lapdance from a Sharkette at the supporters club… Visiting WP fans get a free copy of Priscilla Queen of the Dessert on DVD.

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.09.11 12:36:16 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 24) : @beet (Comment 36) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : Been thinking about it, and I’ve partially figured out why Kings Park is so much emptier than Loftus: a lot of the people filling up Loftus are people from the platteland, for whom the weekend trip to Loftus is a big deal. This is due to the fact that they support the Bulls, and thefeore clearly don’t have the mental capacity to keep themselves entertained, whereas us KZN rural folk are multi-talented, cultured intellectuals to a man, and have so many things going on that there’s much less of a motivation to spend an inordinate amount of money and time to drive to Durban for the weekend.

    Not sure about Newlands, I don’t really know the Cape that well.

    So, any takers for my theory? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.09.11 12:39:29 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 41) : most of the top 10 stayed the same… I ended 43d this round :shock:

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.09.11 12:40:16 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 49) : The crowds are also lured to Loftus by the promise of free Steve Hofmeyer concerts prior to kick off. Nothing lures a Blue helmeted horn adorned inbreeder to a rugby stadium like the Hof…

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.09.11 12:42:53 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 49) :

    +100 Centillion votes from me! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.09.11 12:46:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 48) : :mrgreen: Watch Out! Next thing we’ll have every KZN based WP fan at Kingspark every week and most husband Sharks supporters on wife controlled leashes.
    But that’s what I’m getting at. The guys need to think outside the box and do some more market research on what drives the average fan. If bad weather is an obstacle – how do they overcome this. If people don’t think R50.00 is worth it for the Griquas – how do you change this mindset. Find out what fans want and deliver. HD TV in the comfort of your own home or a friend’s home with reasonable priced food/ beer is a huge opponent. If the Union is not on their toes, they will lose that battle more often than they win it.

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.09.11 12:50:39 by beet Reply
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  • a home semi for the sharks means nothing as the guppy fans don’t fill up kings park even for the Boks :roll:

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.09.11 12:52:52 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 49) : all things look like we’re watching the game on friday @ work.. You should plan a visit to us.. Not your fault you have to wait/watch thru the game ;)

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.09.11 12:53:44 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 54) : Again the rain.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.09.11 12:54:31 by beet Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 54) : True story. The Bok test in Port Elizabeth was a great success and the crowd was fantastic. Then again, it was the only real rugby game to be hosted by the city since Danie Gerber wore black and red.

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.09.11 12:56:20 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 53) : they should let the fans meat the players after the game.. Spend more time on the field signing autographs and that sort of thing..

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.09.11 13:00:16 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 58) : That happened after the Leopards game. I guess they felt they owed the crowd something as they definitely didnt give them any rugby…

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.09.11 13:01:38 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 56) : like it was raining in 2009 when the Sharks hosted the Cheetahs in the semi-final of the Currie Cup where JLP dropped to snatch victory for the Vrystaat side. the Sharks were the favourites to win that game but their fans dodn’t show up!

    was the Sharks vs Bulls semi – with the bees – sold out? don’t think so! :smile:

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.09.11 13:04:39 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 59) : after the FS game they send MB out, ok the smart move was that he could sign both teams supporters gear as long as he did not put a date on ;) but hardly worth the wait…

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.09.11 13:06:28 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 61) : The last time they sent out MB, I signed his jersey…

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.09.11 13:08:28 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Another reason for the lack in numbers at the stadium is the amount of rugby being played! With all the local derbies in Super rugby, the fans dont really care about seeing 2 second string teams playing each other again. Same goes for the games against the minnows. The 6 team currie cup next year may help…but then there is the extended super rugby comp. People just dont have that cash available anymore. The Sharks should be promoting their season tickets even more! I have one and it is very good value!

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.09.11 13:12:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : When I logged in it gave me a warning that Sharksworld is not a secure website and that I logged in and posted at my peril!!!!!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.09.11 13:17:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 62) : :lol:

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.09.11 13:25:46 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) : its not safe.. There’s Sharks around ;)

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.09.11 13:39:35 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) : We know this to be the case, I am not really sure what you are asking here :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.09.11 13:50:02 by Greg Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 64) : I can’t believe you still use IE :wink:

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.09.11 13:50:53 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 53) :

    A Lap dance does not really make a guy think about what is “outside the box”. :razz:

  • Comment 69, posted at 27.09.11 14:03:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 55) : Further proof of the massive intellectual reserves in the KZN rural areas – that is some excellent thinking right there. Heaven knows, those CNC machines are sooooo sloooooow….

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.09.11 14:05:04 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 68) : Hey Im old school. I have just gone back to IE from Chrome. I like Chrome but it was starting to play games with my PC…(maybe having 35 sites open at a time had something to do with it)
    What do you use, any suggestions?

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.09.11 14:08:04 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 70) :

    I’m attending a 2 day conference on Friday and Saturday and the company is actually stopping the conference and showing the game on the big screen during the Samoa game. :cool:

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.09.11 14:10:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Let’s also not forget that there was a full morning of RWC games on the day. Not many guys are going to go to KP after a day of rugby festivities.

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.09.11 14:11:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 71) : I’m no expert but I use Chrome as well, I’m a huge Opera fan though. :smile: I can imagine that 35 open tabs might get quite heavy on a PC, but like I said, I ain’t no expert.

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.09.11 14:24:19 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 70) : :lol: ;)

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.09.11 14:25:20 by Franshark Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 74) : Thanks, Im going to try Opera.

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