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Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, WP on 13 Oct 2011 at 09:45
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Western Province have brought all their World Cup returning Boks into their match day 22, they need a bonus point victory over the Pumas to secure a semi-final place.

Allister Coetzee has given starts to Gio Aplon, Juan De Jongh, Jean De Villiers (who will also be captaining) and Bryan Habana, while the more regular WC starters at the world cup – Schalk Burger and Jaque Fourie – get a chance to shine off the bench. Which means Danie Poolman, Johann Sadie, Marcel Brache, Berton Klaasen miss out on the 22 altogether, with Conrad Jantjes moving to the bench as cover.

In quite a big injury blow, scrumhalf Dewaldt Duvenhage has been ruled out of the rest of the Currie Cup as he’ll be going for surgery on his ankle with the hope of being fit and ready for the 2012 Super Rugby season. This gives Nic Groom another good chance to stake his claim with Louis Schreuder coming on from the bench.

In an interesting move backline coach Robbie Fleck has hinted that Aplon will be covering the flyhalf channel should anything happen to Demetri Catrakilis in the game. Although in the past Jantjes has been given that role and has been seen in the flyhalf quite a bit in the Currie Cup so far.

With De Villiers taking over the captaincy WP have also opted to rotate the hookers again, giving livewire Deon Fourie a chance to start with the stronger more dependable Tiaan Liebenberg being relegated to the bench. Tertius Daniller will offer lock cover from the bench for the injured/sick De Kock Steenkamp. While Sharksworlds favourite and best looking flanker around – Pieter Louw gets a start in the 6 jersey at the expense of Nick Fenton-Wells.

Starting XV:
15. Gio Aplon
14. JJ Engelbrecht
13. Juan De Jongh
12. Jean De Villiers ©
11. Bryan Habana
10. Demetri Catrakilis
9. Nic Groom
8. Nick Koster
7. Siya Kolisi
6. Pieter Louw
5. Adriaan Fondse
4. Hilton Lobberts
3. Brok Harris
2. Deon Fourie
1. JC Kritzinger

Bench:
16. Tiaan Liebenberg, 17. Frans Malherbe, 18. Tertius Daniller, 19. Schalk Burger, 20. Louis Schreuder, 21. Jaque Fourie, 22. Conrad Jantjes



101 Comments

  • Dear Pumas,

    Prepare to be THRASHED!! :twisted:

    Yours sincerely,
    wpw

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.10.11 09:49:25 by wpw Reply
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  • ‘While Sharksworlds favourite and best looking flanker around – Pieter Louw’ :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.10.11 09:52:56 by wpw Reply
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  • Why are the Sharks always the last to release their team sheet :evil:

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.10.11 09:53:58 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Catrikilis must be so flippen awed to be shifting ball to THAT backline. Awesem, I’m excited.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.10.11 09:54:52 by molly Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) : he’s SOOO hot ;-)

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.10.11 09:56:06 by molly Reply
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  • @ WPW I’m sorry I really do not mean to be nasty but Pieter Louw has a face only a mother could love :(

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.10.11 09:58:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 6) :

    And she hates it too.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.10.11 10:01:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I’m a bit unhappy with Poolman missing out to Engelbrecht. Not much if anything to pick between the two, and Poolman being a probable starter in 2012 should’ve meant him starting.

    Can’t argue with anything else. Nice to see Louw playing openside.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.10.11 10:04:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 5) :
    Aaah, I understand the reasons for the “signals” now. Rather “exotic” tastes you have.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.10.11 10:07:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Hendrikp :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.10.11 10:10:33 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 9) : adds new meaning to the word “trolling”…

    Go Wiepie… gonna be fun to see them swat the Lions next weekend

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.10.11 10:12:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) : I think JJ is the form player of the 2 at the moment.

    Next week we will finally learn the answer to the season long question : who does AC rates as the better scrummy Gloom or Schreuder? Surely the best man will get the starting job for the semis?

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.10.11 10:18:47 by beet Reply

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  • Province guy’s and gall’s.. You can be looking forward to a sublime preformance… A Sharks vs WP final in durban is my prediction…

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.10.11 10:20:52 by Franshark Reply
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  • This will show if the Pumas have an argument for staying in the Premier Division…

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.10.11 10:20:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 13) : You make such nice predictions. I wish they could all come true :mrgreen:

    A home final. :cool:

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.10.11 10:24:25 by beet Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 13) :

    I would prefer a final against the Cheetahs. :roll:

    Sharks will be just too good for our light 5. :???: :!:

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.10.11 10:26:16 by wpw Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 15) : @Franshark (Comment 13) :

    Anyway, let’s not make this thread about the Sharks shall we??

    At least allow us to discuss our team on this ONE thread… :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.10.11 10:30:45 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 17) :

    How about those loose-forwards? I like the idea of players specializing in a position rather then moving around, and IMO the best position for each player is:

    Siya Kolisi – Number-8. He’s a roamer/ball-carrier. Hasn’t got the workrate to be a flanker
    Nick Koster – Number-8. Same as above.
    Pieter Louw – Openside. He’s an all-rounder, but one of the best outside of a genuine fetcher to do a job there.
    Schalk Burger – Number-8. Same as Louw… but I like him as a number-8 as well, especially in this part of his career where he’s become a primary ball-carrier.

    Think we really need Duane Vermeulen back to play blindside and balance out that loose-trio.

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.10.11 10:37:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Ahoy. Newlands is going to be fun this weekend

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.10.11 10:41:01 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 17) : :lol: I started with saying good thing about your team ;)

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.10.11 10:42:08 by Franshark Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 18) : We need to find a replacement for Flo, big loss that and I’m not seeing the ground skills from anyone else in the CC so far.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.10.11 10:43:21 by molly Reply
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  • WP should thrash them. Which I would love because the Bulls will miss out. What happened to JJ Engelbrecht is only a left wing??

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.10.11 10:46:21 by Ben Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 21) :

    He didn’t exactly have the greatest ‘ground skills’ either. I’m no fan of Flo.

    But a combination of Pieter Louw & Duane Vermeulen, with Schalk at 8, would have us with 3 players who can act as ball-carriers but also do that work on the ground.

    Rugby a 22 man game now, so with Koster off the bench we’d look pretty dangerous…

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.10.11 10:46:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :

    Think him and Poolman actually swapped around from when they were playing junior rugby… could be wrong.

    JJ preferably a left wing because the ball travels to that side of the field more often (with players naturally being more comfortable passing that way etc.), meaning more touches.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.10.11 10:49:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 24) : In SupeRugby you guys played someone else on right wing. I liked JJ from last year’s Currie Cup. So I asked why doesn’t JJ play on the right wing? I was told that he is only rated as a left wing and isn’t even considered to play on the right wing.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.10.11 10:53:23 by Ben Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) : I’m not a Pieter Louw fan, he loves making stupid mistakes, especially when he’s not under pressure, the amount of knock ons from kick offs from his is ridiculous. He’s also injury prone.

    Problem for me is if Duane gets injured in SR we don’t have a similar replacement for him, I assume Koster will take over, then we have a very light trio if Plouw stays… We need a meaty big tackler and ball winner (Flo was very good at that, I’m surprised you don’t see it).

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.10.11 10:55:20 by molly Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) : What about moving Elstadt back to 7?

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.10.11 10:59:29 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 25) : And this could only really be because he isn’t comfortable with passing the ball to his left or catching the ball from his left. Which didn’t make sense to me because he played centre when he was a bit younger.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.10.11 11:01:35 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 25) : ja, I remember that, the comment came from AC. Musta been an agenda there, not cool.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.10.11 11:01:59 by molly Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 27) :

    Elstadt is a poor ball-carrier. I’d rather move Bekker to 7 to be honest.

    Think Bekker had something like 10 line-breaks to go with about 20 broken tackles in the Super 15. Elstadt had 0, with 6 broken tackles… you get the drift?

    @molly (Comment 26) :

    Flo can’t keep up with the higher tempo in my opinion. He’s a blindside, and nothing else. Should be in a team that utilizes him more as a ball-carrier also, rather then as an openside type player…

    @Ben (Comment 25) :

    Poolman played on the right wing for the first few games of the season. Not sure who told you that.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.10.11 11:04:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 27) : that could def be an option, but then who do we play at 4? Fondse and Steenkamp do nothing for me.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.10.11 11:05:29 by molly Reply
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  • I seriously doubt there are many wingers playing CC rugby for a larger franchise who can’t pass to both sides. It’s got nothing to do with passing…

    Rather about having your better defenders, and players who involve themselves more in general play on the right… and your better finishers on the left.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.10.11 11:06:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) : I hear you but Bekker is the great white hope for SAs premier lock, move to flank he will not.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.10.11 11:06:46 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) : no, AC said last season that JJ wasn’t getting picked because he is an 11 specialist, he’ll only come into the frame if Habana got injured. That’s why Poolman was picked as 14 cover, and I think Sadie a little later as well. Now AC has gone back on that, maybe because JJ is leaving.

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.10.11 11:07:53 by molly Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 33) :

    Didn’t actually mean for Andries to shift to flanker.

    I mean that Rynhardt Elstadt would not be near the squad as a flanker. He is a lock, or nothing.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.10.11 11:23:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) :

    I think Flouw is a far better player than Pieter.

    He ain’t no Brussow but he is the next best fetcher we have.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.10.11 11:25:00 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 34) :

    Interesting. The way JJ plays I’d also back him as an 11 specialist, but looks he’s decided not to back Poolman – or rest him. Not sure which one.

    Unfair on Sadie as well.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.10.11 11:26:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 35) : I think he has played very well at lock, the reason i say flanker is because thats where he played u21s and VC.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.10.11 11:27:07 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 36) :

    Fair enough. I’m just not a fan… don’t think he’s got the workrate to justify a place in the team. Thought he was one of the weaker links in that Stormers pack.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.10.11 11:30:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 39) : :shock: You would rather go with DeKock Steenkamo?

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.10.11 11:31:10 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 38) :

    Don’t think you’ll ever see it happen. Hasn’t got the versatility, speed, ball-carrying etc.

    He’s a genuine enforcer. Decent line-out jumper, good defender close-in, good at being a support-runner – cleaning out etc.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.10.11 11:32:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Good to see the return of the Bokke to the Blue and White.
    Should put this game beyond contention, and more importantly should seal the Bulls fate. Have to feel bad for the Bulls players coming back from a WC to a losing Currie Cup campaign. Still, all these returning players should make the finals much less predictable. Personally Im eyeing a Sharks, WP final.

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.10.11 11:33:30 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 40) :

    They play different positions. We are talking Flo right?

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.10.11 11:34:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 43) : Elstadt

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.10.11 11:36:28 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 39) : I can’t believe you actually think that, he has been brilliant the last 2 years, hence his bok caps.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.10.11 11:37:43 by molly Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 30) :

    Bekker had 10 line breaks because he was always inthe darn backline.

    Flouw is a very VERY decent player and showed some good form whenever called upon at the RWC.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.10.11 11:38:18 by wpw Reply
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  • Let me put it this way. Stormers players who you could say almost pick themselves are…
    1 Steven Kitshoff
    4 Rynhardt Elstadt
    5 Andries Bekker
    7 Duane Vermeulen
    8 Schalk Burger
    9 Dewaldt Duvenage
    11 Bryan Habana
    12 Jean de Villiers
    13 Jaque Fourie
    15 Gio Aplon

    Bench: Nick Koster, Nic Groom/Louis Schreuder, Juan de Jongh

    And at flyhalf, much as I like Peter Grant, we need someone that can kick well out of hand. Grant has to be one of the best players in everything else that he does, but his tactical kicking is a complete joke.

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.10.11 11:39:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 45) :

    I think him getting dropped from the Springboks was a fairer reflection. Just couldn’t match the tempo of the Australasians… and it was the same story in the quarter-final.

    A fairer analysis you might agree with… I’d pick him as a blindside in many teams (Bulls & Lions specifically could’ve used him), but he’s no openside flanker.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.10.11 11:41:56 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 46) :

    You don’t sprint from ruck to ruck do you?

    That was only a part of Bekkers game. Unless you’re going through 10+ phases 15 times a game, you need ball-carriers & support runners who clear out, when on offense.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.10.11 11:45:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Poor players..not even a chance to rest…

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.10.11 11:46:40 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • Aplon De Jong got over enough rest, Jean as well.Schalk, well he is Schalk.

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.10.11 11:50:03 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 50) :

    Habs the only one in the starting line-up who needs it.

    But only needed to win (without a bonus point), and hope the Bulls don’t win by a 80 to make the semi-finals.

    Maybe he’s bluffing with this team :lol:

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.10.11 11:50:28 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 51) : yup, and considering they all asked to be included, I don’t really feel like they wanted the rest either.

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.10.11 11:50:45 by molly Reply
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  • Also true ja, bar Burger, the WP okes were just in the Bok squad to make up numbers… :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.10.11 11:53:56 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) : actually Bekker’s wing play was a BIG part of his game, he cut it out in 2010 and was brilliant in his work around the park, and then brought it back in 2011.

    Him and Brok should get fined/dropped every time they stand in the flyhalf/wing channel, Brok has a new habit of playing scrummie as well :evil: .

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.10.11 11:55:31 by molly Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 51) :

    Schalk only started playing rugby a month ago..

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.10.11 11:55:36 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • With no EOYT, all the players returning from the Springboks are getting a big rest anyway. Usually they’d finish playing around the end of November.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.10.11 11:57:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 56) : With Schallas workrate one month of rugby = 6 months of rugga for any other player :twisted:

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.10.11 12:01:13 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 56) :

    Hey Rich!!

    Fancy seeing you here!! :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.10.11 12:14:13 by wpw Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 58) :

    I wonder how Schalk is gonna handle the news of having to play under Nick Koster when the new Bok coach names him as Bok cappie! :mrgreen: :cool:

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.10.11 12:16:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 60) : Who wud you pick as a starting looseforward trio for the Stormers if all players are fit?

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.10.11 12:21:16 by beet Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 60) :

    Don’t think that would go down well with anybody!

    Thinking more and more that Juan Smith will be the new captain. Apparently he’s still interested in playing for the Springboks.

    Think that would be the best move.

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.10.11 12:23:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 60) : He must have always known Nick was groomed as a future Bok captain.

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.10.11 12:24:16 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : Its an old joke.Keo has been writing up Koster as a Bok captain since before his voice broke.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.10.11 12:25:51 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 61) :

    Can I answer that one? Not for me but hey.
    6 Pieter Louw
    7 Duane Vermeulen
    8 Schalk Burger
    Nick Koster off the bench. Will start many as a rotation/for injuries anyway.

    Won’t happen, but because Schalk has become more of a ball-carrier and will hopefully be playing there for the Boks in the future.

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.10.11 12:26:18 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 64) :

    I see! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.10.11 12:27:29 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : but how’s his injuries..he seems a bit of a walking injury of late?

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.10.11 12:28:59 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 67) :

    True. If he recovers fully of course. The lucky with injuries has to turn eventually, unless you are Andre Pretorius or Jannes Labuschagne.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.10.11 12:30:41 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 61) :

    6 – Schalk
    7 – Duane
    8 – Koster

    With Kolisi or PLouw on the bench. :???:

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.10.11 12:35:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 61) : hmm, tough one.
    6. Schalk
    7. Kolisi
    8. Duane

    Koster off the bench.
    We’re missing a ball player, badly.

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.10.11 12:37:13 by molly Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 68) :

    Or Werner Greeff! :lol:

    Someone would just look at him skeef and he would get injured! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.10.11 12:37:35 by wpw Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 65) : Interesting. I wud have thought that Louw wud fall down the order a bit but I assume you like his ground work at the breakdown. Your choice also leaves no place for Kolisi.

    Ever since watching Nizaam at 6 at the JWC, I’ve been convinced that that’s where his future lies, as a Brussow/Pocock type get your hands on the tackled ball first player. I think every SA team should have a specialist 6 in their squad. Sharks fans keep pointing to Bissie but that’s not good enough for me, I want our no.6 to be a hands on man.

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.10.11 12:38:53 by beet Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 70) : Like like your combo except maybe Koster ahead of Siya.

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.10.11 12:39:38 by beet Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 69) : Is Flo back?

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.10.11 12:40:12 by beet Reply

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  • Does anyone see a part in SR 2012 for Luke Watson at any of the Unions or has that ship sailed?

    Like him or not, he’s a quality player.

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.10.11 12:41:11 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 74) :

    Pieter Louw not Flouw – Plouw!! ;-)

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.10.11 12:43:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 72) :

    Don’t think they’ll use Carr unless there were injuries.

    If they were planning to, I think he’d have gotten a lot more starting game-time in this years Currie Cup. I haven’t really seen enough of him (or focused enough on him) to make a fair judgement on what position he should be playing, but he has the dimensions to be a fetcher. Problem is whether he is instinctively a fetcher?

    Sometimes a player may not be the best, but is part of a successful recipe that is needed for the team to perform.

    The Stormers don’t need more ball-carriers, they need someone like Louw who can do the ground work.

    Kolisi & Koster should only be starting in the same run-on XV if they were playing sevens, or Koster was on the wing.

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.10.11 12:46:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 77) :

    To put it another way.

    Louw might not be the most effective on the ground, but if nobody does it, you’re worse off having 2 effective ball-carriers.

    You can’t bake a cake without eggs. You can’t play rugby without a player these days who’s focusing on slowing down opposition ball or securing the ball for his team.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.10.11 12:47:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 75) :

    He is contracted to the EP Kings so he won’t play for another franchise.

    I agree that he is a quality player.

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.10.11 12:47:47 by wpw Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 75) :

    Luke Watson tries to take too much of the glory. Never seen such a selfish rugby player.

    There’s a reason why the teams he plays in aren’t very successful.

    Season after he left the Stormers, they went to the semi-finals. Coincidence? I think not.

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.10.11 12:51:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 80) : what about Rassie Erasmus = success in W/Cape

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.10.11 12:55:57 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 81) :

    I never liked what Watson brought to the team. Don’t think it had as much to do with Rassie coming in, as opposed to a better balance in the game plan after Watson left.

    His stats were inflated by a large amount of ball-carries that he shouldn’t have been making. People complain about Brok Harris as a first-receiver, but Watson tried to be superman doing it all himself. Every now and then he’d score a miraculous try, which made people sit up and think WOW… but he was a virus.

    Made a lot of money on the Stormers making the semi’s after Watson left :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.10.11 13:00:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Luke Watson would make a good captain for the SA Sevens team, but I’m not sure if his tackling is good enough to be honest.

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.10.11 13:02:11 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hope this means the same will happen at the sharks.

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.10.11 13:06:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 78) : I agree. Just like one can’t teach every back to be a good place kicker, one can’t expect every opensider to be molded is a turnover specialist. This role ideally requires a guy with a low centre of gravity who is strong on his feet in a crouched position. Also he has to have decent speed around the park. And let’s not forget the importance of being able to read the game.
    I just had a feeling Nizaam could flourish in that role based on the evidence of the JWC. Most of the time I’ve seen him is as a no.8 and also at 7.

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.10.11 13:25:22 by beet Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 76) : Thanks. Got it Plo not Flo.

    Man does Plo add new meaning to the words receding hairline :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.10.11 13:26:31 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 85) :

    Yeah I’d have to see Carr play again to make a fair assessment. I haven’t watched any of the recent CC games (the last 4 rounds or so) with the World Cup going on, and before that he wasn’t included…

    I’ll watch out for him in the Vodacom Cup next year. They show a lot of them on the Rugby Channel over here.

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.10.11 13:29:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 75) : I’m also a Pukie fan :grin: . I just fail to see how he’d fit into any squad that still has some of the old-guard Boks around without being a major disruption to team dynamics. That rules out every team except perhaps the Lions?

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.10.11 13:32:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Just LOOK at that sexy devil in my avatar. :twisted:

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.10.11 13:32:28 by molly Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 85) : Basically we need more wrestlers to switch over to rugby at some point in their careers or alternatively we need our sixes to take up wrestling part-time :grin:

  • Comment 90, posted at 13.10.11 13:36:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 88) :

    If the Boks should’ve been good enough to win despite the referee.

    Then Puke Watson should’ve been good enough to get past all that.

    But no-one wants to play alongside a glory boy. Watson is the type that will be friendly to your face, but will be judging everything you do.

    I won’t support any team that has anything to do with him.

  • Comment 91, posted at 13.10.11 13:37:00 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 89) : Classy! ;-)

  • Comment 92, posted at 13.10.11 13:37:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 90) :

    I’d like to know the reason Roland Bernard was given the chop.

    Thought he played pretty well for the Sharks, and didn’t do nearly bad enough with the Lions to deserve being dropped the way he did.

    And they’ve given up on Johan van Deventer as well, who was supposed to be near as good as Brussow, although I didn’t see any of him… just going by what I’ve read.

    Maybe beet can give us some insight?

  • Comment 93, posted at 13.10.11 13:39:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 87) : I wanted to tell you this little story. Here in KZN we had a schoolboy this year that plays no.8 for a small school. Talented kid who shone when his team played the bigger local schools. Anyway in order to accommodate him in the Craven Week team, the selectors picked him at 6. In the warm-up game against the Pumas, he struggled to adapt and I thought this is never gonna work. However a couple of weeks later at Craven Week (and after some serious hard work put in by both him and the coaching staff) he stole about 6 balls off the ground vs WP which went a long way to changing the outcome of the game in our favour. I watch a lot of SBR and you don’t see much of that specialist type play. A lot of fit quick youngsters get to the breakdown early and win penalties here and there for opponents holding on but there are not that many steals and it’s not often that one sees the same youngster having repeated success at the breakdown. Certainly nowhere near the level of consistency that one is accustomed to when watching Brussow, Pocock or McCaw.

  • Comment 94, posted at 13.10.11 13:41:23 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 93) :

    Bernard may have completely lost the plot… not sure. Didn’t pay much attention when he returned to the Lions, and next thing he was nowhere to be seen.

  • Comment 95, posted at 13.10.11 13:42:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 91) : Fair point but please note that I’m in no way advocating for his inclusion in any SR team but rather just offering my point of view on Beet’s hypothetical.

  • Comment 96, posted at 13.10.11 13:42:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 94) :

    Yeah it’s a skill I hope they start drilling into younger players. Many amateur coaches may pay more attention to that from seeing Brussow and Pocock doing it and so forth…

    If everyone was good at it though, we’d probably see a change in the laws, because it would completely ruin the game as a spectacle.

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.10.11 13:44:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 94) : Sibulele Nanto,yeah the lad had a good game against Province at Craven Week,didn’t know that he was actually an 8thman.

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.10.11 15:08:00 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 98) : He’s from the Eastern Cape. It’s a long way to come to George Campbell in Durban esp since I don’t think GC has a boarding establishment.

    Anyway I think SBR coaches always try to put their best possible loosie at no.8. Perhaps if he went to a bigger school, he’d have been a no.6 all along, seeing that he’s only about 1.76m.

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.10.11 15:19:45 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 99) :

    Just a quick one, do you think Kolisi would still bulk up in the next few years considering he is still only 20??

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.10.11 15:34:15 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 100) : He will definitely put a few extra kgs on those bones.Standing next to him you will see he is very lean.

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.10.11 15:48:05 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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