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2011 Currie Cup: Round 14 preview and predictions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content on 14 Oct 2011 at 09:29
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The Currie Cup enters its final round ahead of the knockouts this weekend and while first place is already sewn up for the Lions, five other sides are still jostling each other to claim the last three play-off spots.

Blue Bulls v Leopards

Having done reasonably well to resurrect their season after a poor start, the Bulls succumbed to a shock loss in Kimberley last week, which appears to have finally scuppered their chances of qualification. They know they will need to hand the Leopards a real hammering and hope against hope that somehow, the Bok-laden Western Province team fails to pick up maximum points against the Pumas. Expect the Bulls to win by about 25 points, but it ultimately won’t be enough to see them through.

Blue Bulls: 15. Zane Kirchner, 14. Gerhard van den Heever, 13. Wynand Olivier, 12. Francois Venter, 11. Bjorn Basson, 10. Louis Fouche, 9. Jano Vermaak, 8. CJ Stander, 7. Jacques Potgieter, 6. Deon Stegmann, 5. Juandre Kruger, 4. Flip van der Merwe, 3. Werner Kruger, 2. Gary Botha (Captain), 1. Dean Greyling
Replacements: 16. Willie Wepener, 17. Frik Kirsten, 18. Gerrit-Jan van Velze, 19. Arno Botha, 20. Dustin Jinka, 21. Francois Brummer, 22. Jurgen Visser

Leopards: 15. Hoffman Maritz, 14. Danie Dames, 13. Charl Weideman, 12. Joubert Engelbrecht (Captain), 11. Vainon Willis, 10. Wesley Dunlop, 9. Johann Laker, 8. Robert Kruger, 7. Luvuyiso Lusaseni, 6. Philip de Wet, 5. Bradley Mockford, 4. Brendon Snyman, 3. Dewald Coetzee, 2. Gavin Williamson, 1. Jean Rossouw
Replacements: 16. Marius Fourie, 17. Buhle Mxunyelwa, 18. Bêrend Botha, 19. Juan Pretorius, 20. George Tossel, 21. Clayton Durand, 22. Jovan Bowles

Cheetahs v Griquas

This match is a big one for the Cheetahs, yet slightly less so for their guests which may prove telling in the final analysis. Griquas are in a similar position to the Bulls – level on log points but behind on points difference and for them to make the semi finals from here is very close to impossible. They’ll need to score a truly massive win over the Cheetahs – enough to eclipse the 105-point advantage that Western Province currently hold, while still hoping that the Cape side fail to score a bonus point against the Pumas. The sheer impossibility of Griquas’s task is likely to hand the advantage to the Cheetahs and with the hosts needing a 5-pointer to move themselves into second spot, the open nature of the game should see them accomplish that with little fanfare. Cheetahs to win by around 10.

Cheetahs: 15. Hennie Daniller, 14. Riaan Smit, 13. Robert Ebersohn, 12. Andries Strauss, 11. Cameron Jacobs, 10. Sias Ebersohn, 9. Piet van Zyl, 8. Ashley Johnson, 7. Philip Van der Walt, 6. Pieter Labuschagne, 5. Izak van der Westhuizen, 4. Francois (FS) Uys, 3. WP Nel, 2. Adriaan Strauss (Captain), 1. Marcel Van Der Merwe
Replacements: 16. Hercu Liebenberg, 17. Trevor Nyakane, 18. Wilhelm Steenkamp, 19. Johan Wessels, 20. Tewis de Bruyn, 21. Nico Scheepers, 22. Philip Burger

Griquas: 15. Rudi Vogt, 14. Dusty Noble, 13. Wilmaure Louw, 12. Matthew Rosslee, 11. Rocco Jansen, 10. Riaan Viljoen, 9. Sarel Pretorius, 8. Leon Karemaker, 7. Justin Downey, 6. Jonathan Mokuena (Captain), 5. George Earle, 4. Hendrik Roodt, 3. Lourens Adriaanse, 2. Ryno Barnes, 1. Ivann Espag
Replacements: 16. Simon Westraadt, 17. Steph Roberts, 18. Jaco Nepgen, 19. Burger Schoeman, 20. Marnus Hugo, 21. Earl Rose, 22. Fabian Juries

Western Province v Pumas

This one is actually very simple to call. Province have virtually all their Boks back and will need a 5-pointer here to sew up a semi-final place that looked to be slipping away from them just a few weeks ago. They won’t fail now and we expect them to thrash the Pumas, by around 30 points.

WP: 15. Gio Aplon, 14. JJ Engelbrecht, 13. Juan de Jongh, 12. Jean de Villiers (Captain), 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Demetri Catrakilis, 9. Nick Groom, 8. Nick Koster, 7. Siya Kolisi, 6. Pieter Louw, 5. Adriaan Fondse, 4. Hilton Lobberts, 3. Brok Harris, 2. Deon Fourie, 1. JC Kritzinger
Replacements: 16. Tiaan Liebenberg, 17. Frans Malherbe, 18. Tertius Daniller, 19. Schalk Burger, 20. Louis Schreuder, 21. Jaque Fourie, 22. Conrad Jantjes

Pumas: 15. MJ Mentz, 14. Deon Scholtz, 13. JW Jonker, 12. Dewald Pretorius, 11. Johan Jackson, 10. Carl Bezuidenhout, 9. Shaun Venter, 8. Christo le Roux, 7. Jaco Bouwer, 6. Corne Steenkamp (Captain), 5. Eduan Van Der Walt, 4. Willem Serfontein, 3. Ashley Buys, 2. Pellow van der Westhuizen, 1. Dawie Steyn
Replacements: 16. Torsten van Jaarsveld, 17. Brett Nel, 18. JP Mostert, 19. RW Kember, 20. Hendrik van der Nest, 21. Coenie van Wyk, 22. Siviwe Magaba

Sharks v Lions

Another lopsided contest where one team has nothing to gain and the other everything. The Lions have already finished in top spot and know they will face a tough semi-final against a full strength Western Province team next week. Their decision to send somewhat of a weakened side down to Durban in understandable and would appear to play right into the Sharks’ hands. The Durbanites will know that they need to pick up five points here in order to snatch second place away from the Cheetahs and with a team bristling with Boks of proven pedigree, the smart money must be on the home side. Sharks by around 12.

The Sharks: 15. Patrick Lambie, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. Stefan Terblanche, 12. Marius Joubert, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Frederic Michalak, 9. Conrad Hoffmann, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Marcell Coetzee, 6. Keegan Daniel (Captain), 5. Ross Skeate, 4. Jean Deysel, 3. Wiehahn Herbst, 2. Craig Burden, 1. Eugene van Staden
Replacements: 16. Bismarck du Plessis, 17. Jannie du Plessis, 18. Willem Alberts, 19. Jacques Botes, 20. Ross Cronje, 21. Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 22. JP Pietersen

Lions: 15. Jaco Taute, 14. Deon van Rensburg, 13. Dylan Des Fountain, 12. Doppies la Grange, 11. James Kamana, 10. Burton Francis, 9. Michael Bondesio, 8. Warren Whiteley, 7. Joshua Strauss (Captain), 6. Jaco Kriel, 5. Michael Rhodes, 4. Wikus van Heerden, 3. Jacobie Adriaanse, 2. Martin Bezuidenhout, 1. JC Janse van Rensburg
Replacements: 16. Bandise Maku, 17. Pat Cilliers, 18. Franco van der Merwe, 19. Derick Minnie, 20. Elton Jantjies, 21. Butch James, 22. Michael Killian



38 Comments

  • Can all the Home teams win on a single weekend? :razz:

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.10.11 09:31:58 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Pine Pienaar should have sent Stander,Venter,Fouche and Arno back to the under 21 side.

    The bulls are out of the semi finals. there is no way the pumas will beat wp with all those boks back.

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.10.11 09:35:51 by Muzi Reply

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  • “The Bulls are out of the semi finals.” Sorry Muzi, but that is the coolest phrase I’ve heard all year, even better than Public Enemy’s “my rhymes are blacker than most blues”, even better than Marina Lewycska’s “she exploded into our lives like a fluffy pink hand grenade”… I better stop, I’m starting to feel giddy… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.10.11 10:09:21 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 2) : Muzi, what are the chances of that being PP’s last decision in charge.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.10.11 10:15:56 by beet Reply
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  • Sharks vs WP final at the Shark Tank Come on bokke

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.10.11 10:22:29 by R Pahlad Reply

     
  • If the Lions can hold this star-studded Sharks team to within 7 points it should serve as a boost for next weeks clash against a very strong Province side.

    IF the Lions do manage to go on and win this , there can be no saying they didn’t deserve to.

    Got my semi tickets already more nervous than I was watching the Boks in this WC.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.10.11 10:36:09 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 3) : I can not stomach the fact that the bulls will miss out on a semi final. :cry:

    Player depth was a big concern for heyneke meyer the loss against the griquas sums up our performances this year.

    Very disappointed.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.10.11 10:46:30 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : The big picture looks OK for you guys. But I guess you, like we all do, want instant results. Give it time. Heyneke Meyer is rebuilding his empire no matter how hard it is for me to say.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.10.11 10:52:19 by war1 Reply
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  • Shame all this sympathy for the Bulls is all very touching :razz:

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.10.11 10:54:46 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

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  • I thought long and hard about Pine getting fired :mrgreen: i was very very critical at the start of the currie cup campaign but look how well fouche,venter,arno and cj have come through.

    Like our beloved Meyer said the bulls need to play attacking rugby we are signing more fleet footed players.

    Its Pines job firstly to bring attacking play into the bulls structures and to promote the serfonteins..small smith…jho’s and swanepoels he has done a fairly good job.

    I’ll give him time to prove himself again next year. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.10.11 10:55:47 by Muzi Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok;-) (Comment 9) : Yea i can see you are clearly enjoying this. :evil:

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.10.11 10:57:01 by Muzi Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 8) : The bulls should have planned well in advance to combat this poor performance in the currie cup.

    Also the youngsters like van velze and brummer not stepping up did not help at all.

    We are a proud union boasting 3 super rugby titles :mrgreen:
    I did not think the bulls would perform like this while in transition.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.10.11 11:00:57 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 11) :

    Enjoying not really but not concerned at all ..you should understand iv been backing a hopless and constant losing side over the last decade and am well versed in commenting whilst being rather hopless .. :sad:

    Bulls are too good a Union to totally fall off the pace they’ll be back alot sooner than most think.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.10.11 11:07:18 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : Must say, while I am enjoying the Bulls’ predicament, I would never, ever have thought it possible. Sure, they are losing/have lost some legendary players, but they’ve always created the impression that they have adequate support structures and systems to deal with it.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.10.11 11:09:25 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 14) : That’s exactly what every tom,d..k :grin: and harry thought :mrgreen:

    Heyneke Meyer had no choice but to get sadie,lionel,steenkamp and vermaak.

    The keyword is depth we were found wanting in that department.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.10.11 11:20:52 by Muzi Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok;-) (Comment 13) : The bulls management got a nasty rude awakening boet why do you think we are panic buying.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.10.11 11:22:18 by Muzi Reply

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  • Muzi…

    The Pumas only need to prevent a bonus point and the Bulls need to klap the Luiperds by 60+ then you in… :)

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.10.11 11:30:51 by Hmmm Reply

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  • but just to then play the mighty Lions at Coke park…which does nto extend your CC season my much…lol

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.10.11 11:31:55 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Will be a lot more difficult to score against WP not that team are unable to pierce the midfield as easily as they have been the last few weeks…

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.10.11 11:42:18 by Hmmm Reply

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  • more concerning is the Sharks bench…don’t think the run-on side will make all that much of an impact…will be close quarters until the bench is released…

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.10.11 11:43:32 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 16) : at least feel better cause this time the sharks did not knock the bulls out, like the last 2 tournaments they were playing in, this time they did it all by them self’s… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.10.11 11:49:28 by Franshark Reply
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  • Agree with all, except Province will win by a lot more then 30.

    Think they’ll win by upwards of 50… and wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a shut-out.

    Something around that 61 – 0 mark.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.10.11 12:06:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok;-) (Comment 13) : It’s a good thing you weren’t a Lions/Transvaal fan when I started watching rugby in the 80′s. They built up something like a 26 year Currie Cup drought that lasted until about 1993. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.10.11 12:06:54 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 23) :

    Iv been a Transvaal/Lions supporter since 82 ! I was more reffering to the dismal last 10 years.

    The 90′s were pretty good ..Winning the Super10 and the World Cup :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.10.11 12:15:30 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 23) :

    So I’m looking at 2025 for success :shock:

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.10.11 12:20:24 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 22) :

    I don’t think JdV and JdJ will make such a big impact…and Conrad had been playing well so Aplon not a great boost…

    Pumas will want to end with a bang and they playing their big centers so it is going to be closer than you think… comfortable non the less…

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.10.11 12:20:44 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 2) : @Hmmm (Comment 17) :
    The Bulls have been known for miracles in the past…if they pull this one of and you around JHB I will buy you a ticket for the semi at Coke park….just so I can smile when you fall out the quarters… :)

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.10.11 12:24:00 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok;-) (Comment 24) : Yeah the early 90s were a good time for the Lions.

    Coincidently when I first started playing rugby at primary in about 1982, the first game I paid attention to was between the Lions and I can’t remember who. John Robbie, Robbie Blair, Hugo van As, Dries Maritz, Hempies Rademeyer and Liaan Kirkham were amongst the backs and I think Barabas Venter was in the front row with captain Okkie Oosthuisen. But it was such a long time ago, I might be way off with my names/period. :mrgreen:

    Since you’ve been a supporter for such a long time do you mind me asking who your favourite Lions player of all times is and if you’ve ever tried to name your favourite Lions team for the time you’ve been a fan. I say favourite coz when I try to do if for the Natal Banana Boy Sharks, it ultimately turns out to be my favourite players rather than the best players that have worn black and white. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.10.11 12:25:00 by beet Reply
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  • Good luck Sharkies…hope you have a great game…to all the players…cannot wait for this game to start…Sharks forever!!!!! :razz:

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.10.11 12:53:26 by Anneleen Reply

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  • Eish… by 12… Over confidence maybe? When last was bringing the boks back into the setup a good thing :sad: :???:

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.10.11 12:55:08 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • The sharks are making it a habit of beating the bulls these days it has to stop soon ! :evil:

    2008 currie cup final the sharks won.
    2010 semi final guess who won the sharks.

    Hell lets not even mention Fotress Loftus where the sharks somehow just feel at home :evil:

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.10.11 13:08:15 by Muzi Reply

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  • I havent played Fantasy league in many weeks and im still kicking many an ass. :cool:

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.10.11 13:56:12 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • I don’t know abouot a 12 point win for the Sharks. You would hope so, but the backline just doesn’t make me very confident.

    Maybe we’ll get a couple of tries in the last 20 min with all the boks coming on

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.10.11 15:30:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 26) :

    Guess we’ll see won’t we.

    I predict they’ll run those guys to shreds. Don’t be surprised if Juan de Jongh gets a hat-trick.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.10.11 15:48:11 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 34) :

    I will be VERY surprised if JdJ gets a hat-trick…

    You guys will win comfortable…but not by 60…

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.10.11 19:06:22 by Hmmm Reply

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  • That should be a yellow card yes. John Smit should not have got a yellow card!

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.10.11 20:28:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 36) : Wrong thread! :oops:

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.10.11 20:33:03 by Ben Reply
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  • I’ve managed to get a GSP, only my 2nd of the competition :shock: :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 17.10.11 07:29:11 by JarsonX Reply
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