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Sharks spoiled for choice as injury cloud lifts


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 19 Oct 2011 at 09:20
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Sharks coach John Plumtree looks set to have close to a full strength squad to select from when he names his side to face the Cheetahs in Saturday’s Currie Cup semi-final.

Of the contracted group, Charl McLeod, Meyer Bosman and Louis Ludik are all long-term casualties, having sustained fractures of various sorts throughout the campaign, while John Smit has been given what amounts to an early release from his contract, in order to focus on his impending move to Saracens.

Following the return of Ryan Kankowski and Craig Burden last week – both of whom played well against the Lions – the Sharks have been further bolstered by the likely return if Adi Jacobs for Saturday’s clash, after he missed out against the Lions due to a hamstring complaint. Wing Lwazi Mvovo, also in doubt after tweaking a hamstring against the Lions, has apparently been running well at training this week, so should also be considered.

The unexpected return to fitness of lock Alistair Hargreaves, along with a return for Beast Mtawarira, stocks the forward cupboard even fuller than it already was too, with only Jean Deysel still doubtful for the game after picking up an injury against the Lions. He will be assessed further on Thursday.

Plumtree’s unenviable task become selecting the best possible matchday 22 from the below, which would be a challenge for any coach:

Forwards: Mtawarira, Chadwick, van Staden, J du Plessis, Herbst, Redelinghuys, B du Plessis, Burden, Cooper, Skeate, Hargreaves, Bresler, Marais, Alberts, Deysel*, Daniel, Botes, Coetzee, Kankowski
Backs: Hoffmann, Cronje, Michalak, Lambie, Potgieter, Jacobs, Joubert, Terblanche, Ndungane, Pietersen, Mvovo



70 Comments

  • Ah Adi is fit. Plumtree must be happy, he has that spot on the bench has has been utilising Adi for all season. :(

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.10.11 09:29:30 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Bring on the Cheetah’s!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.10.11 09:31:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Terblanche, JPP, Adi, Lambie, Michalak, Mvovo, Hoffmann.

    Problem sorted. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.10.11 09:32:39 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Skeate and Deysel as the Locks is my call.

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.10.11 09:33:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Let the speculating begin! :megreen:

    Here’s my team.

    15. Lambie
    14. Odwa
    13. Adi
    12. JLP
    11. JPP
    10. Michalak
    9. Hoffman
    8. Kankowski
    7. Alberts
    6. Daniel
    5. Skeate
    4. Bresler
    3. Jannie
    2. Bismarck
    1. Beast

    16. Burden
    17. Van Staden
    18. Hargreaves
    19. Coetzee
    20. Cronje
    21. Stef
    22. Mvovo

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.10.11 09:33:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 5) : That’s in case Deysel is injured. If not I’ll play him at 4. That’s the reason for playing Coetzee on the bench. If Deysel does start I’d play Botes on the bench instead of Coetzee.

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.10.11 09:37:03 by Ben Reply
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  • 15. Lambie
    14. Pieterson
    13. Jacobs
    12. JLP
    11. Mvovo
    10. Michalak
    9. Hoffman
    8. Kanko
    7. Coetzee
    6. Daniel
    5. Skeate
    4. Alberts
    3. Jannie
    2. Bismarck
    1. Van Staden
    Reserves
    16. Herbst
    17. Burden
    18. Bresler/Hargreaves
    19. Densely/Botes
    20.Botes/Cronje
    21. Terblanche
    22. Ndungane

    If Deysel is fit, a 5-2 split with Freddie covering 9. If Deysel doesn’t make it, a 4-2 split.

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.10.11 09:39:04 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Nice problem to have, selection-wise.

    Only downer is knowing that clod Semi-Pro is going to be officiating.

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.10.11 09:41:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 7) : Missed the Beast :oops: Beast on thwarting bench for Herbst.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.10.11 09:42:06 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 7) : You know Beast is fit right? :???:

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.10.11 09:42:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 7) : Densely = Deysel :oops:

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.10.11 09:43:02 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Any idea who the ref will be yet?

    If it`s Pro we`ve got a problem.

    @JarsonX (Comment 7) : JLP ?! bwahahaha surely you`re kidding?
    Have you forgotten what happened against the Crusaders already?

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.10.11 09:44:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 9) : Thwarting = The. :oops: Damn this predictive text :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.10.11 09:44:24 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 12) : JLP wasn’t that bad and he can’t be worse than Joubert

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.10.11 09:46:45 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 12) : Uhm what did he do wrong against the Crusaders?

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.10.11 09:46:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 12) : Pro and Peyper. :evil:

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.10.11 09:47:46 by JarsonX Reply
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  • But this is the 22 I think Plum will select.

    15. Lambie
    14. Odwa
    13. Stef
    12. Joubert
    11. JPP
    10. Michalak
    9. Hoffman
    8. Kankowski
    7. Alberts
    6. Daniel
    5. Skeate
    4. Bresler (if Deysel is unfit)
    3. Jannie
    2. Bismarck
    1. Beast

    16. Burden
    17. van Staden
    18. Hargreaves
    19. Coetzee
    20. Cronje
    21. JLP
    22. Mvovo

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.10.11 09:51:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 12) : I think Marius Jonker is the Ref.

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.10.11 09:53:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 17) : Or maybe Adi instead of JLP at 21.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.10.11 09:54:06 by Ben Reply
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  • Marius Jonker will ref our Semi-Final with Notso Legoete and Marc v Zyl as his Assistant Referees.

    let’s hope Jonker doesn’t pull a Kaplan and go off at half time while we are in the lead. :)

    Jaco Peyper will ref the Lions v WP semi.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.10.11 09:55:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 18) : correct. :)

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.10.11 09:56:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If Deysel is injured and * if not *

    15. Stefan
    14. Odwa
    13. Adi
    12. Lambie
    11. JPP
    10. Fred
    9. Conrad
    8. Kanko
    7. Coetzee *Alberts*
    6. Keegan
    5. Skeate
    4. Alberts *Deysel*
    3. Jannie
    2. Bissie
    1. Beast

    16. Van Staden
    18. Herbst *Coetzee*
    17. Burden
    18. Hargreaves
    19. Botes
    20. Cronje
    21. JLP

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.10.11 09:59:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : I just realized I left Mvovo out completely…oops. Thank makes the 5/2 split more difficult. Unless you rely on Fred to cover 9, because Cronje won’t be used for any significant time anyway.

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.10.11 10:00:35 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : I think Peyper is a pretty good ref.

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.10.11 10:01:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 5) : I like your team! Although id fit Deysel in there if he is fit.

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.10.11 10:04:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Yup see comment 6. ;)

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.10.11 10:07:39 by Ben Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 16) : It’s Marius Jonker, Pro and Marc v Zyl is assistant Refs and JC Fortuin is TMO

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.10.11 10:10:42 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 27) : Nope, I meant that I don’t like them very much Blondie :wink:

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.10.11 10:15:10 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Why is everyone picking Lambie at 15, but more concerning backing the Joubert/Stefan combo at 12/13? Because that’s what the team looked like when we smashed the Lions?

    Just a reminder, I don’t think our centres had much to do with that; it basically came down to our forwards dominance.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.10.11 10:17:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 29) : Who is everyone??

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.10.11 10:21:22 by Ben Reply
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  • I’ll be very sad if Plum decides to go this route too. Fred had a good game last week, but we all know that doesn’t mean he’ll be firing this week, what do we do when that happens.

    I’m not conforatable with the idea that JLP will be his back-up if this weekend is his off day. Or that Lambie will be moved from 15 to cover for Fred if this happens.

    At least from 12 the transition should be easy, i don’t think it’s fair to play him at 15 for half of the game and then bring him into the midfield or 10 for the rest.

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.10.11 10:21:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 29) : Everyone is picking Lambie at 15 because that’s where Plum will pick him. I don’t think anyone is willingly picking that centre combo either.

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.10.11 10:22:12 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Mvovo, the most potent attacking threat in the Sharks camp simply has to start. That guy just needs a sniff of the tryline to do something exciting even when the space in front of him looks non-existent. I think the threat he poses on attack outweighs any peace of mind Ndungane offers on D.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.10.11 10:22:49 by beet Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 29) : @Ben (Comment 30) : In terms of backing the Joubert/Stef combo?

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.10.11 10:22:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : You, so far and JarsonX (as far as Lambie goes).

    So really why are you doing it then? :grin:

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.10.11 10:22:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 35) : Only because I’d rather have Lambie in the team than Stef.

    Next year when Ludik is fit and Riaan Viljoen is with us, I’d start with Lambie at 10.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.10.11 10:24:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 33) : I won’t argue that. I feel like Odwa should start also. He is a very smart wing, finds himself in the right place at the right time, runs good lines and seems always get over the advantage line, even when the ball he recieves is not great.

    Who supports the Idea of dropping Stef to the bench, I don’t feel particularly comfortable with it.

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.10.11 10:25:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 31) : Makes no difference really. Even when Lambie plays 15 he comes in at 1st and 2nd receiver a lot of times. So the transition won’t be a problem. Now stop being paranoid! ;) :lol:

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.10.11 10:28:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 32) : I can also select a team that I think Plum will pick, that’s easy he’s quite predictable. This is what I would have done. I am a think out of the box type of couch coach. :mrgreen:

    But you are right, Plum will pick Lambie at 15 and move him into 12/10 depending of performance of these players. (and considering that Joubert will be at 12 again, Lambie will play 12 for at least 30min)

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.10.11 10:28:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • Why after the Sharks smash the Lions and play their best rugby do we want to change the team?? Ok i get the inclusion of the returning Boks and changes for injury but otherwise why change anything? Only person that needs changing is Joubert at 12 cos he has been nowhere and needs to sort himself out before the Vodacom Cup next year.

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.10.11 10:32:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 38) : I know you’re right. I actually like Lambie from the back also. I just want him be in the midfield too and don’t know how to make that happen… I’m working on a cloning machine, but some recent glitches has meant that I would have to put it on hold for a little while longer.

    Picking Lambie at 15 and keeping the center combo would also be the save choice, so I ok with it, but would just love to see Lambie run out with a 12 or even a 10 on his back to suprise everyone.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.10.11 10:33:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : Because I don’t think that backline had alot to do with the performance. any backline would have looked great with that forwards performance. If we can duplicate that, it wouldn’t matter who we select where in the backline as long as Fred keeps kicking as he has been.

    I just like making a little trouble and still prefer Lambie at 10/12… where he can be the brain of the backline. And also, feel very strongly that a french import should not be the reason why Lambie stays at 15. Maybe for these last 2 games of the CC, but certainly not for any future games. If he is selected at 15 it should be purely based on what will benifit the player and the team the most for the rest of his career. (That’s all, that’s why I feel strongly about it.)

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.10.11 10:39:07 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 3) : you got it!
    15.Steff
    14.Odwa
    13.JLP(Jacobs)-45
    12.Lambie
    11.JPP
    10.Michalak
    9.Hoffman

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.10.11 10:39:30 by Talent Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) : probably correct!

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  • @Talent (Comment 43) : all good fielders (bbm thumbs up):)

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.10.11 10:41:52 by Talent Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 39) : I was actually trying to pick Plum’s team more than my own. But get what you are saying :smile:

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.10.11 10:46:31 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 43) : I’m also happy with this team.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.10.11 10:48:00 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : When did that happen again? I can’t remember.

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.10.11 10:49:12 by klempie Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 42) : I agree with you that the forwards laid the platform for the win last week, no doubt about that! I still believe Lambie is better suited to 15 because he offers that claming presence at the back from set plays and then can also show up at 10 in broken play where he would be most dangerous, much like what O’Connor does for Oz.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.10.11 10:51:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 46) : I don’t think Plum’s going to make any changes to the team that came on in the secon half, only forced changes… injury, returning injuries.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.10.11 10:52:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 48) : Last years S14 game against the Cheetahs. We lost by 2 :evil:

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.10.11 10:56:51 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : I understand what you’re saying. I also like him at 15, for exactly the saem reasons you do and even more… Have you noticed how well he reads the game and seems to always take the best option; run, pas, kick?

    But I can’t help remembering the performances he produced for us at 10 last year. Match wining performances, where he completely dictated the game… the final and semi’s being only two of them.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.10.11 11:03:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 51) : That was crap… for us and Kaplan! :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.10.11 11:03:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 51) : I think I am confusing it with the game JLP dropped us out of the CC.

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  • @klempie (Comment 54) : Pro couldve blown that game as well. I’ve always considered him as being ‘Pro-Freestate’.

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 12) : You’re right. I forgot our other centres have never disappointed. ;-)

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  • @Letgo (Comment 52) : Lambie did do well at 10 but to be honest there are better 10s out there, and i know its not everyone’s choice but i would play Riaan Viljoen there next year. Im a big fan of the best players must be on the field, positions dont really matter outside of the tight 5.

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.10.11 12:08:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) : I would maybe try Riaan Viljoen somewhere is the centres. He is a really talented player and I would definitely try to get him in the starting 15 BUT not ahead of Lambie at 10. Viljoen is a great fullback with a huge boot and probably also the best running fullback in SA.

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 58) : The reason i say Viljoen at 10 is have u seen how much more effective Griquas look with him at 10 as opposed to 15? He attacks the line well and has good distribution. I also think Lambie has a better head at 15 then Viljoen. As for Ludick i would love to see him at 13 although I have a feeling he could end up at wing a bit which isnt bad.

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    Sent: Oct 19, 2011 9:34a

    For those of you who can make it,come to The Tank this weekend. It could potentially be my last game in a Sharks jersey. See you all there!

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) :

    Interesting. Can’t see it happening, but could be worth a try. Could use someone who genuinely gets the backline going.

    I’d focus on sorting out the centres first though.

    And while I’m unsure of what to do with Lambie, I’d be okay if he spent the whole S15 season at flyhalf, and then played fullback for the Boks – but again unlikely.

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.10.11 12:34:16 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 61) : Well its hard to say what Plum has in store next year as this years gameplan was vastly different to last year. This year he has attacked channels 1 and 2 with his big ball carrying forwards and looked to suck in the opposition backline a little before looking to his backline to spin the ball wide where he he is looking to his 11/14 as well as 13 and 15 to get around the opposition rather than through them. I just think that with an aggressive 10 the opposition will be sucked in even more and thus allow the 12 (Bosman) to distribute to guys outside him. The big issue is the choice of 13 not necessarily the 12.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.10.11 13:09:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) : I don’t agree with you at all. Lambie is an excellent 10. Viljoen has recently proven himself in the same position, but in a couple of CC games, when asked to do the same for the cheetahs in their S14/15 campaigns he has not looked good.

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.10.11 14:25:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 63) : Its okay to disagree, life would be boring if we all agreed! The Cheetahs as a whole were pretty bad at super rugby so hard to say Viljoen was bad at 10 there, he has had more time there now. Lambie also wasnt that flash at 10 in Super rugby but did well in CC.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.10.11 14:34:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : Agree about the disagreeing part, I also agree that given a chance Viljoen may proof to be a decent, but still 29 year old flyhalf, but I don’t agree that Lambie was not flash at all. (Except if you’re using the word with the meaning – showy or flashy, and then I agree also, because Lambie is not that sort of player not even from 15).

    He did however have his few flashy moments, a couple of nice breaks and steps and chips, but those aren’t the type of things that impress me in a player, especially not Lambie. Lambie doesn’t play with the intention of doing something that will look great for himself, but rather something that will put the team a step in the right direction. He makes the right moves at the right times, rarely wavering from this pattern. That is what impresses me about him, that when he plays Flyhalf he makes a team of struggling backs look more dangerous than a team full of Springboks (All the while taking it in consideration that he did play with a forwards pack that mostly always provided clean ball for him).
    This is how I always felt about Frans Steyn at 12. Since even before 2007, you can ask some of the other bloggers here. We got in a few quite passionate arguments (at least from my side) I’m older and wiser now, so I don’t talk just with my emotions anymore, but I still feel very strongly about my position on Lambie. I think if he stays at 15, sooner or later a more “flashy”, just as calm, strong, big boot young man will come along and Lambie will be all forgotten with his cool head and reading of the game at the back (Even Frans Steyn is a better 15, or has better 15 qualities than Lambie does). Not so at 10, I don’t believe.
    At 10 he can become great. That’s what I believe.
    Well, I thought I don’t talk with my emotions anymore, guess I was wrong.

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.10.11 15:15:42 by Letgo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : And just to confirm, you’re right, I do love it when we find a topic to debate about a little. It’s interesting and fun. So thanks for disagreeing with me. :smile:

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.10.11 15:20:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 65) : Its sometimes hard to judge a flyhalf as they are soemtimes just following coaches instructions regarding kicking or just shifting the ball. If Lambie wants to play 10 then he must have the balls to say i want to play 10 and then either make it or break it there. He knows that Plum will pick Michalak over him at 10 so for now Lambie will play at 15, possibly at 12 a bit too. Im a believer in the best players being on the field, so whether Lambie is at 10 or 13 doesnt phase me too much. Likewise with Frans Steyn, he should be on the field, even if it means he wears a 10 on his back.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.10.11 15:22:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : To an extent the best players should be on the field, unless they’re not the best anymore, because you shift them, which in Lambie’s case is not true, so no problem…except he can also be on the field in 12 and be way better than any other option.

    It’s hard to judge most players, especially when they’re moving around and like you said you don’t know what is coming from the coaches.

    We’ll see what Plum does. I don’t think he mess players around at least and that’s good.

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.10.11 15:38:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • 15 Lambie
    14 JP
    13 Adi
    12 Bosman
    11 Mvovo
    10 Fred
    9 Hoffman
    8 Kanko
    7 Alberts
    6 Daniel
    5 Skeete
    4 Deysel
    3 J Dup
    2 B Dup
    1 Beast

    16 Burden, 17 v Staden, 18 Hargreaves, 19 Botes, 20 Cronje, 21 JLP, 22 Ndungane.

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.10.11 16:55:23 by John Galt Reply

    John GaltCurrie Cup player
     
  • @ comment 69,

    You have left out Stef and included Bosman. Bosman is a long term injury and there is no way Stef will be left out by Plum. i think it will be a Joubert/Stef combination although i would prefer a Stef/Adi combination

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.10.11 09:53:38 by dawj Reply

    Under 21 player
     

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