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Dead-eye Elton nails Sharks in one-sided final


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Lions, Original Content, Sharks on 30 Oct 2011 at 11:21
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Young flyhalf Elton Jantjies came within a whisker of breaking Derick Hougaard’s record for most points in a Currie Cup Final yesterday, as he scored 24 in a perfect kicking display that consigned the Sharks to the also-ran scrapheap in this year’s competition. Josh Strauss’s Lions team broke a 12-year trophy-less streak in winning their first title since 1999.

With the Lions showing greater composure, discipline and dare we say hunger, the Sharks capitulated, conceding kickable penalties virtually every time the home side forayed into their territory. Scoreboard pressure was duly applied, with the Lions racing out to a 12-3 lead before a laughably simple dummy from Doppies le Grange sent Stefan Terblanche the wrong way, resulting in a good try to Michael Killian on the 26-minute mark. At 19-3 and later 22-3 after yet another penalty, the Lions had the game all but sewn-up by the halftime break.

Aside from indiscipline, the Sharks were again prone to sending one-off runners into contact and while this approach yielded strong gains in terms of territory at times, the season-long problem of impatience in the red zone saw them regularly concede possession in the Lions 22, through turnovers or the all-too-frequent concession of penalties for holding on, or going off their feet.

The first stanza of the second half offered a glimmering of hope for Sharks fans, as a 13-point flurry, including a dodgy-looking try to Willem Alberts, brought them back into contention at 16-22 down. The Lions rose to the challenge majestically, though, by first stopping what should have been a second try and then pressuring Conrad Hoffmann into a horrible knock in the Sharks territory. From that phase, the Lions went on to score through Pat Cilliers, by which stage the game was effectively sewn up. A further try to Jaco Taute and a slew of penalties from Jantjies saw the Sharks lose by the embarrassing margin of 42 – 16, quite a turnaround from the 53-9 scoreline in Durban when these two teams met two weeks ago.

Lions (42) – Tries: Michael Killian, Patric Cilliers, Jaco Taute. Conversions: Elton Jantjies(3). Penalties: Jantjies (5), Jaco Taute. Drop goal: Jantjies.
Sharks (16) – Try: Willem Alberts. Conversion:Frederic Michalak. Penalties: Michalak (3).



205 Comments

  • Well done you dirty Lions :wink: :razz:

    Now update FL please :mrgreen:

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.10.11 11:38:14 by JarsonX Reply
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  • The sharks NEED to stick with 3D lambie at flyhalf the same goes for Paul Jordaan at 12.Fred Zeilinga should be the back up flyhalf that kid can jol.

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.10.11 11:38:24 by Muzi Reply

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  • The sharks need centres ASAP i watched heimar williams and lindeque they did nt impress me.If i was straulli i would seriously look at william small smith he has good tactical acument,vision,great on attack and a rare ability to create space for his outside backs.

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.10.11 11:45:12 by Muzi Reply

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  • This probably got lost in my rants on the match thread last night, so here it is again.

    Well Done to the Lions. You guys DESERVE the title and hopefully you will win the team of the Year category and get that title as well it is also DESERVED.

    To the Sharks. :(

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.10.11 11:45:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Very very disappointed with conrad hoffman he is not the same player i saw playing for wp under 21s he is has regressed he had a chance to impress.

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.10.11 11:47:11 by Muzi Reply

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  • one-off runners into contact -is a huge problem ,play buddy rugby. Once again one of our largest short commings is our breakdown protection and pilfering, Keegan isnt in the same league when it comes to the floor battle as the brussouws and minnies ,we are seriously negating our game plan by failing to pick a specialist openside flank ,quick ball is killed our attack is then stiffled .

    Michalak should be looked at as a possible scrumhalf or reserve flyhalf ,we didnt see enough of Skywalker . We need better midfield and a more dangerous fullback ala Taute /Dag mould.

    Not really upset about that loss thought it may happen and Lions deserved it ,congrats ! Lets hope you go on to make sa proud

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.10.11 11:49:46 by Talent Reply
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  • KSA shark i was simply shocked as to how easily the sharks were beaten.The sharks are a great team how on earth did that happen.I feel for you this is how i had to watch the bulls play this year alot of work ahead for plumtree.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.10.11 11:49:56 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 5) : I thought he has been improving

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.10.11 11:51:36 by Talent Reply
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  • I post very infrequently but can’t help myself this morning.At the start of this year there was much wailing and gnashing of (Sharks)teeth when the Lions were supposedly about to buy every Bok on the Sharks books.As things turned out we had to make do with “sloppy seconds” who have actually turned out to be quite handy.Hopefully Sharks fans will find it in their hearts to drink a toast to Pat,Warren,Michael and Waylon as they sip from the cup of humility this morning.I don’t have a clue what a “snoil” is but there sure are many happy ones today.Good effort from the Sharks yesterday but alas fairy tales do come true.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.10.11 11:52:09 by wade Reply

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  • @wade (Comment 9) : Jeez, it’s amazing how many of you are suddenly very clever WAY after the fact… I’m sure if you go back to 2008 as well you can find something I wrote then to throw back in my face.

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.10.11 11:54:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • why did we let murray and rhodes go?

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.10.11 11:55:58 by Talent Reply
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  • @wade (Comment 9) : Agree, those guys are excelling in the Red and White.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.10.11 11:56:49 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Talent the hoffman i know has speed around the fringes…quick passer and very tactically sound.I think a lack of senior rugby games at Wp has stunted his growth.Hoffman was ahead of hougaard in the Wp set up the kid was dynamite.

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.10.11 11:57:40 by Muzi Reply

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  • Coincidental isn’t it. This time last year our flyhalf put 25 points on the board with a perfect kicking display and two tries. This year the flyhalf won it again with another outstanding performance. I don’t think I have to point out what the difference was for the Sharks this year. :cool:
    The better team on the day won. And deservedly so.
    In my humble opinion, as an onlooker and loyal supporter, there are some serious lessons the Sharks can take away from this final. With a few exceptions (the Bulls SupeRugby quarters qualifier at Loftus, for example) they have not played as a consolidated, unified team all season. And when they did, it was rarely for the entire 80 minutes.
    And yet, having said this, they managed to make the crunch rounds of SupeRugby and the CC final. Imagine what they can achieve next year if they work on the problem areas and get it right.
    @Muzi (Comment 2) : I’m not going to argue with you there, bru. You are bang on the money in my book. I don’t care how much it’s going to cost them to bench Michalak. We need our pivot back.
    Now… for SupeRugby 2012, the training for which begins at the end of November.
    Sharks forever. Amen.

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.10.11 11:58:27 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Its called game time i doubt plumtree had faith in them.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.10.11 12:00:14 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 11) : we let Murray go because for 2 seasons he did absolutely nothing.

    You can blame that on lots of people, if you like, including the Sharks management and coaches, but the player himself has to take some responsibility too.

    Let’s not lose sight of the fact that Murray played no part in the win yesterday…

    As for Rhodes, well, debatable one that, but my information is that he never saw eye to eye with Plumtree because it was always felt that his partying was more important to him than his rugby. Ditto Cilliers.

    Again, perhaps the situation could have or should have been managed better, but ultimately a move to a new environment with a strong disciplinarian at the helm seems to have done the trick for those two players. My view is that if they hadn’t left their Durban comfort zone (party zone) they wouldn’t have turned the corner.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.10.11 12:02:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 13) : i think you are right ,he looks brilliant at some stages but is just a bit blunt. But the only remedy is game time and exposure ,look at what rhodes has become…

    I feel the balance of the squad is skewed …our pack is like a dumbell and our backs rely on one litle precious house boy :D

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.10.11 12:03:28 by Talent Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 14) : Shaz, I’ve said this before. Let’s not oversimplify the problems.

    Yes, Pat SHOULD HAVE been at flyhalf yesterday – of that there is little doubt. Would we have won if he had been there? I honestly can’t say with any certainty that we would have. The indiscipline amongst the forwards cost us this game, not Fred Michalak.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.10.11 12:04:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sharon you know how the rugby public in SA is apparently elton should be the bok 10 now hehe in my honest opinion Lambie can outplay elton full stop he was a stand out player alone last night.

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.10.11 12:04:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • I´m not nearly as disappointed about this loss as I thought I would be. The Lions have been playing a great brand of rugby all year. Lots of praise must go to John Mitchell and his group of players. SA Rugby can learn from their recipe for success.

    If I had to look on the bright side regarding the Sharks I would say we played like a bunch of palookas all year and still made the final. That´s impressive in itself.

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.10.11 12:05:18 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 14) : When Freddie has to act as scrummie when Hoffman gets takes the ball up, he look very potent. Infact his probably better option than McLOed. He can kick, pass and is elusive.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.10.11 12:06:35 by Mocho Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : A really good journalist will always get things thrown back into his face, because you have to stick your neck out to report things as you see it. You will NEVER be able to satisfy every reader, for you have the courage to express YOUR views.

    It is advisable however to take criticism with grace, evaluate which is applicable and ‘evolve’ to become an even better journalist. Go Rob you shameless one-eyed Shark monster. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.10.11 12:07:25 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 14) : agreed 100% Skywalker to 10 ,the poor michalaks days are numbered [email protected]robdylan (Comment 16) :True ,i know this about Rhodes first hand ,it is sad though that we couldnt get the best out of him .

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.10.11 12:07:52 by Talent Reply
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  • Talent Pat is a big time performer he has proven himself already in future id like to see how pat does with steyn and sadie as his centre.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.10.11 12:08:39 by Muzi Reply

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  • It seems to me that the sharks banked on their returning springboks, another thing the sharks need is a 60m place kicker .

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.10.11 12:10:54 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 23) : I agree it is sad… I always liked what I saw from Rhodes on the field and I don’t think he ever let the black and white jersey down.

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.10.11 12:14:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 24) : i agree !or even RE ,I like ball playing-link type 13s such as conrad smith ,JF is good but thats one area of his game I think needs work, he muscles it. Jantjies is a fantastic player but will always have that quade cooper essence about his play whereas lambie will have that DC quality that I cant seem to express in words. Elton played well ,not a bad player at all

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.10.11 12:15:06 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Ya all the best to him ,another durban boy lost to his home union :(

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.10.11 12:18:59 by Talent Reply
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  • Talent spot about elton no doubt about he can jol BUT lambie has composure and the rare ability to create something out of nothing in high pressure situations.Its a gift that young flyhalves often struggle with.

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.10.11 12:22:04 by Muzi Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Morning Boss. I actually think we do need to simplify the problems. As it stands everyone is churning out a list of woes. We need to go right down to the basic flaws in our team selection, which frankly has been dubious for most of the season, and start to pick a TEAM, playing people where they are strongest, not plugging holes due to a lack of forward planning and depth with them. Deysel at 4 is a case in point. The Lions have a TEAM because every player is playing to his maximum potential in the position he is best suited for. And they believe in themselves and each other.
    What other problems, realistically speaking, are there? It’s not like the Sharks haven’t got the talent – hell – they’ve got some of the best players in world rugby! What they can’t seem to do is pick a team that works with them. And as long as they keep playing their top talent where they think they need them, rather than where they need to be, that’s never going to change. We will always have a not-quite-but-nearly team full of guys not quite reaching their full potential.

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.10.11 12:22:43 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 30) : Let me put this another way… Would the Lions have won yesterday with Jantjies at fullback?

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.10.11 12:24:58 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 30) : I’ll go with you on that 100%… and this is not a new plum trick… the “accommodating his favourite players by playing others out of position” has been an issue since he first started.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.10.11 12:32:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • Another point worth mentioning is the role Josh Strauss has played in unifying the Lions. Under Doppies there was never quite the same cohesion. Have the Sharks got a more promising option as captain in their ranks? One who the players gravitate towards, with the authority and presence to rally them and bring them together when the chips are down? One who is able to lead by example and efficiently identify weaknesses in play and adjust the game to suit? Answers on a postcard, please.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.10.11 12:33:03 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 31) : Shaz, the way the Lions pack jolled yesterday, they could have had Barney the dinosaur at flyhalf and would still have won.

    Elton would still have nailed those kicks from fullback :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.10.11 12:33:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • And Jacques Botes shouldve been playing :razz:

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.10.11 12:36:56 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 33) : gee… I dunno hey.

    Pat Lambie, perhaps?

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.10.11 12:37:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 33) : Agree with that.

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.10.11 12:38:17 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 35) : ok seriously… please explain to me in small, simple words, exactly what difference it would have made if Botes had been playing?

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.10.11 12:38:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : I know you were very down yesterday… So I want to say this to you: This site is your passion. It’s part of who you are. You pour so much of yourself into it that of course you are going to feel drained at a time like this and wonder if it’s all worth it. But look at the bigger picture: look at what you have here on Sharksworld – a collection of people who you inspire enough to keep coming back, day after day. People who, through your marvelous ability to share your passion, feel connected to their team and part of something greater than themselves. You have shared yourself with all of us for the last four years, and enriched us in the process. That is something to be celebrated. Don’t lose faith, bro! You rock! And so does Sharksworld! :cool:

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.10.11 12:39:44 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : In time, yes. It is his…. destiny! :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.10.11 12:40:46 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : probably none :razz:
    We’ll never know :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.10.11 12:42:28 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Thought Barney was at Saracens! :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.10.11 12:42:48 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 42) : common misconception that.

    John Smit is not nicknamed after that Barney :)

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.10.11 12:45:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 39) : thanks Shaz.

    I guess I’m human in that the small-minded crowing of the petty really does get to me

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.10.11 12:45:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : Rubble?

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.10.11 12:45:56 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 45) : Gumble

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.10.11 12:46:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • So what’s next? SR is 3 months away ,what are we gonna do? :???:

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.10.11 12:50:47 by JarsonX Reply
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  • ah, sharks fans clutching on to the one thing they think salvages their pride: pat is better than elton :-) hahaha

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.10.11 12:50:59 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : When it does, take a deep breath, tune into the Mini de Loreans and feel the Boot flowing through your veins! Hehehe!
    I stood there on that field yesterday absolutely gutted. I threw impartiality to the wind and wore my Sharks jersey, stood next to the Sharks bench and screamed my head off trying to lift my team. And then had to take pictures and video of the Lions lifting the trophy, while occaisonally glancing at my devastated boys gathered loosely to one side of them. That broke my heart. But the best thing to do with heartbreak is let it go. Likewise with petty, small-minded crowers… Let em crow. The wheel of life turns. And always will! ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.10.11 12:53:19 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 48) : New avatar dude? Cool? Now don’t you start throwing the cat into the pigeons, dearest. Let us grieve the best way we know how! Or I may have to come and spank your bum.

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.10.11 12:55:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • I am glad to report Clayton survived his trip to the deep South. I am sure he will catch a rerun of the final this afternoon.

    Please don’t tell him the Sharks lost, I don’t think he knows yet…

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.10.11 12:55:40 by Morné Reply
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  • Yay! Just noticed I got another star! Whoop whoop! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.10.11 12:57:18 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Ya sharks lack of forward planning will be the reason they wont reach their potential in super rugby. Who are going to be our centers next year??Joubert was a hand me down from wp to cheethas to overseas now hes at sharks -rediculous . Get Brad Barrit back buy a decent 13 and develop a young lock like JM .

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.10.11 13:00:48 by Talent Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 48) : No, we are NOT comparing Pat to Elton or anyone else. He is just one of those truly gifted rugby individuals that comes along every century or so. :roll:

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.10.11 13:01:52 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 50) : :-) anything for you babe.

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.10.11 13:04:19 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 54) : yeah, keep telling yourself that :roll: “elton has a cooper quality & lambie is like DC” hehe

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.10.11 13:08:51 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 56) : Tut tut. Naughty Megsie… :roll: Behave, baby! :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.10.11 13:12:16 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 57) : ok, ok i’ll go back to watching the final again on pvr :-)

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.10.11 13:22:26 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 56) : Hehehe so you are indeed seeing the light? I agree Elton is flashy and shaky like Cooper, while Pat is like DC, uncontested the best 10 ever. :grin:

    Seriously, Elton has come on in leaps and bounds under the tuition of Carlos and JM. We are blessed to have so many young turks at 10 in the country at the moment.

    Way I see it is that ( Bok ) coaches can ‘manage’ players at 10 now at their leisure, without ‘exhausting’ them and without losing quality in the process.

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.10.11 13:30:24 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 58) : :roll: uyaphapha

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.10.11 13:31:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 33) : Ross Skeate? Till destiny kicks in :mrgreen:

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.10.11 13:42:21 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Who do we think is the next Springbok flyhalf? The number-1 guy.

    Options being:
    - Morne Steyn :mrgreen:
    - Johan Goosen
    - Elton Jantjies
    - Patrick Lambie

    I find it tough to leave out Goosen because I think he’s the complete package. He’s a Francois Steyn sort of player… just really special.

    But so is Lambie!!!

    And Elton is also looking damn good.

    This potentially the best position we’ve ever been in with flyhalves? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.10.11 13:46:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 60) : what a nasty thing to say :shock: are you hurting? ;)

  • Comment 63, posted at 30.10.11 13:48:29 by Megatron Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : lambie is screwed because his versatile so remove him because he will be played at centre or fullback to accommodate one of those other players even though his a better flyhalf than all of them

  • Comment 64, posted at 30.10.11 13:49:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 63) : let’s see I bought 7 tickets with the last of my birthday money had a 6hour drive up and we lost than I lose my car keys what do you think megatron

  • Comment 65, posted at 30.10.11 13:51:44 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 59) : elton is ‘flashy’ u say, you probably think mcloed is better than genia too :-)

  • Comment 66, posted at 30.10.11 13:53:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 64) :

    You say he is a better flyhalf then all of them…

    But he doesn’t match Goosen, or it seems Jantjies for goalkicking, which is important unless you’ve got them in other positions, which the Boks don’t. Also not so confident in his kicking in general play… not when or what, but the distances that he finds.

    I’d agree he is the best in everything else. Excellent defender (as shown by his S15 stats. Only missed 10 tackles I believe – if memory serves me right) and makes things happen around him. Carter like.

    It’s a difficult situation to be in, having to decide who to go forward with, but also very good I guess, because they’ll be pushing each other.

    I still can’t personally move on from Johan Goosen who at this stage, I think, can still be the most complete flyhalf in the country.

  • Comment 67, posted at 30.10.11 13:55:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 67) : wrong lambie is a excellent kicker when given the chance to kick regularly ya he doesn’t have a super big boot but he makes up for it with everything else.even with goosen being on form or should I say media hyped! You can’t honestly say you would be comfortable having goosen at pivot at international level over lambie! Gosh this kid hasn’t even proven anything at super rugby level you reading to many articles about goosen dude

  • Comment 68, posted at 30.10.11 14:01:19 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 68) :

    I guess only time will tell hey! Not articles, just from what I’ve seen. Had a very good Junior World Champs also I thought. He’s got rare skills.

    At this stage, no, I would not select Goosen ahead of Lambie.

    But by the time England travels to SA? If he keeps playing like he did for the Cheetahs at S15 level, which I have no doubt he is more then capable of doing, you can’t exclude him, can you!

  • Comment 69, posted at 30.10.11 14:05:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 68) :

    I’m not suggesting anyone is better then anyone else.

    I’m well aware of what a special player Lambie is.

    But I also think that a player with a boot like Goosen could offer an extra dimension.

    It’s going to be a VERY tough decision for whomever takes over the Springbok coaching role.

  • Comment 70, posted at 30.10.11 14:08:44 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 69) : ya let’s see what happens you still can’t really compare them! 1 has had the flyhalf jersey against the all blacks already and proven his worth at international level while the other has been playing currie cup against the likes of leopards etc

  • Comment 71, posted at 30.10.11 14:09:56 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 71) :

    To be fair, Lambie was somewhat anonymous against the All Blacks. Not his fault, that team was set up for disaster. But you can’t rate him from that game.

    And it’s not Goosen’s fault that he’s not playing for the Springboks in his first year out of school :razz:

    Fair enough, let us see what happens at S15 level. I just hope it’s not a case of the most successful teams flyhalf being picked automatically – potentially over the guy who is performing the best. Oh and that Lambie plays the majority of the season at 10.

  • Comment 72, posted at 30.10.11 14:14:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 72) : nah we will forget team performances and judge on they decision making etc

  • Comment 73, posted at 30.10.11 14:16:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 73) :

    We will, but will the Springbok coach? :grin:

    Anyway I better get some sleep.

    All have a fantastic sunday evening!

  • Comment 74, posted at 30.10.11 14:20:05 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 70) : Jeez dude. I had no idea Jaco Taute could kick a ball so far! :shock:

  • Comment 75, posted at 30.10.11 14:31:05 by Ben Reply
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  • Any news on where Stef is going yet?

  • Comment 76, posted at 30.10.11 14:50:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 76) : Hope he takes Marius Joubert with him! Seriously!

  • Comment 77, posted at 30.10.11 14:52:46 by Ben Reply
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  • Joubert has been one of the disappointments of the season, I thought he might liven up the Sharks backline but nothing, use the youngsters they can’t do any worse than the old age home

  • Comment 78, posted at 30.10.11 15:02:41 by Mutley Reply
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  • Firstly, congratulations to the Lions coaches, players and fans. To take a quote from another Sharks loss earlier this year, it really was like men against boys. You out-played, out-muscled, out-thought and just generally out-classed the Sharks in every area that mattered; I have no doubt that the best and most deserving team won the final. In particular, the way the Lions responded to the potentially momentum-changing try ( :roll: ) by Willem Alberts showed that this is a team with true grit, and unless you lose Mitchell to the Bok coaching job, you have a bright future to look forward to.

    As for the Sharks, while there will undoubtedly be some fans wishing to shift blame to the refereeing, and while there were some truly dismal individual performances on the day (Conrad Hoffman, please take two steps forward), the fact is that what was on display was for me an indictment of our captaincy and coaching more than anything else.

    I’m not sure if the option in the first quarter of foregoing kickable penalties in favour of attempting to set up tries was due to mind-boggling naivety, or monstrous arrogance, but neither sentiment belongs on the park, particularly not in a final, and for that the captain has to account for.

    As for the coaching, I have the good fortune of having a mate who works for Ellis Park stadium management, and he happened to find the Sharks’coaching manual left behind in the coaches box. It’s quite a slim tome of 20 pages, but illuminating reading. Here’s some verbatim quotes:

    Page 1:
    Plan A: Whenever possible, pass the ball to Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Bismarck du Plessis or Marcell Coetzee, and allow them to take it up over the advantage line, which should create opportunities. In the event of this not working, pass the ball again to Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Bismarck du Plessis or Marcell Coetzee, and allow them to take it up over the advantage line, which should create opportunities. In the event of this not working, pass the ball again to Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Bismarck du Plessis or Marcell Coetzee, and allow them to take it up over the advantage line, which should create opportunities. In the…

    And so it goes on until page 20, where we get:
    Plan B: From scrums, or in the event of Plan A not working, pass the ball from 8 to 9 to 10 to 12 to 13 to 14/11, and allow one of them to create a line break, which should create opportunities. If this does not work, revert to Plan A.

    Based on the evidence of 2011, I’m not looking forward to the Super 15… :sad:

  • Comment 79, posted at 30.10.11 15:28:33 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 5) : he played so well at WP…thought that was a huge plus for Sharks…
    Not sure what’s up there…

  • Comment 80, posted at 30.10.11 16:01:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • We really needed to finish off alberts’ surge into the lions 22 (after he had svcored the try to bring the score to 22-16).if our handling _and support play- was better,that might have seen the sharks score another try in the space of 5min.and one that couldeve seen them take the lead.as it stands,they never took the lead,never put the lions in a position to suddenly have to fight back from a deficit and 2 quick tries.
    In the first min of the game,we created space for our right wing( who was tackled from behind eventually by cj vd linde).anyone think mvovo wouldve been hauled in? Witk kanko on his inside?might have taken play deep into lions half..even got a pen? Even scored a try? ..momentum shifting moment in the game right there..
    hindsight counts for nothing,but rugby is still a funny game..weepee took a hiding at the hands of the sharks in cc’10 final,and came back to rule the roost in sa conference in this year’s sr 15.

  • Comment 81, posted at 30.10.11 17:53:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 81) : If we don’t sign Fransie we are pretty much no hopers for S15. Must be the worst planning in the proffesional era of Sharks rugby or does Plum and Rudulph think the u/21s are just gonna rock up and be like ‘sharks’ in water at S15 level?

  • Comment 82, posted at 30.10.11 18:00:06 by catfish Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 67) : see I think you are wrong about his kicking ,if anything he is the most tacticaly sound of all of them . One only has to look at the sharks final game of the s15 this year vs the saders ,lambie excelled with out of hand kicking, the guile with which he places the ball is unmatched by any of his peers. And remember the world cup has only ever been lifted by a sa team with a natal maritzburg college boy at 10 ,lambie is close enough ;)

  • Comment 83, posted at 30.10.11 18:00:51 by Talent Reply
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  • @culling song: funny comment :-D
    .. The thing that isn’t funny,is that every other team in sa knows that’s the way the shrks play :-( ..don’t know if they even worry about printing a gameplan (the sharks coaching staff that is.. Where was the bit of smart play we saw like in semi ’10 vs bulls when keegan scored the try in the first few 2mins and a bit of the game?we were predictable and didn’t have a midfield.. Yet,revisit the game..I still reckon if one pass went to hand or supprot play was better,that surge of alberts couldve had a huge influence on the final result)

  • Comment 84, posted at 30.10.11 18:01:53 by bergshark Reply

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  • Just don’t hope alberts is played into the ground in next season,s sr15 :-(

  • Comment 85, posted at 30.10.11 18:04:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 67) : also re goal kicking he spent alot of time with the springboks not as a first choice kicker whereas the other two spent an entire season goal kicking

  • Comment 86, posted at 30.10.11 18:06:27 by Talent Reply
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  • @catfish: I’m in total agreement with you on the importance of signing frans steyn asap- it is a matter of urgency.
    Oh yes,a backline coach won’t hurt either..

  • Comment 87, posted at 30.10.11 18:19:58 by bergshark Reply

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  • We need a competent coaching staff – at every level,under19,under21 and cc/sr.

  • Comment 88, posted at 30.10.11 18:23:05 by bergshark Reply

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  • Locks? Anton bresler and jandre marais with skeate and hargreaves.deysel?eish..dunno bout that one (scratching my head)..

  • Comment 89, posted at 30.10.11 18:25:41 by bergshark Reply

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  • What the lions also did show the sharks is what 22 players can do if the come together as one and play for 80 minutes..for a whole campaign,not just the once-off every now and again,but committed selfless play over a season..

  • Comment 90, posted at 30.10.11 18:29:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @catfish (Comment 82) : @bergshark (Comment 87) : Frans Steyn’s contract with Racing Metro only expires in June next year. As you know the Super Rugby season starts in February already. Plus strong rumours suggest Frans is going to the Cheetahs. But still I wish, hope and pray that the Sharks can convince him to come back to Durban.

  • Comment 91, posted at 30.10.11 19:03:55 by Ben Reply
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  • The lions got one cup and all of a sudden they are the experts.
    Bottom half is waiting for them in the super 15 .

  • Comment 92, posted at 30.10.11 19:33:06 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Get out that pay check sharkies and buys some better centers and 9.

    And pay odwa to go with st

  • Comment 93, posted at 30.10.11 19:34:53 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • I’m over rugby. It’s a stupid sport. Turning this into a blog about music and guitar-playing instead. Oh, and knitting. Knitting is the shit

  • Comment 94, posted at 30.10.11 20:40:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : Rob takes the needle through the gap, passing left to to the centre, cutting through the middle what a precision, what accuracy and his OVEEEERRRR.

  • Comment 95, posted at 30.10.11 21:07:50 by Mocho Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : Rob takes the needle through the gap, passing left to to the centre, cutting through the middle what precision, what accuracy and his OVEEEERRRR.

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.10.11 21:08:16 by Mocho Reply

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  • I am worried about the Super 15, or are most of our players just tired?

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.10.11 21:15:25 by Dynamite Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : hahahaha funniest comment of the day…i can’t imagine how much anguish some of the people on this blog went through gister hehe a team chock full of Boks just being out-played, out-hustled and most damning of all being CUT to shreds!

    that Taute try was magical. as sharks fans you should ask urselves when was the last time weaved a spellbinding move like that?

    i was reminded of twickenham earlier this year.

    keep ur heads up sharkies..

  • Comment 98, posted at 30.10.11 21:16:15 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Dynamite (Comment 97) : no, your team is ONE-dimensional it is scary. bash it up, bash it up & bash it up some more, devoid of ideas beyond that.

  • Comment 99, posted at 30.10.11 21:20:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : I’m not over rugby, but I’m over Plumtree and his useless cohorts. Gameplan?? What gameplan? Fling it to Alberts. Then fling it to Deysel. Got to say it’s also the worst Sharks backline I can recall since I started following them in 1991. Players like Terblanche, Marius Joubert and Odwa (likeable as they are) should be watching the game of rugby from their couch already. Kevin Putt got his ass fired for less.

  • Comment 100, posted at 30.10.11 21:22:26 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Dynamite (Comment 97) : A rest will do them a bit of good, but as Megatron says, even the best players need a gameplan and right now there is none. Boy, if I was given the new broom I would do a lot of sweeping…

  • Comment 101, posted at 30.10.11 21:26:51 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 98) : It was a great try but a more observant ref would have spotted the obvious obstruction leading up to it; playing the ball behind a wall of players is gridiron not rugby. Just saying. Not whinging or anything… :smile:

  • Comment 102, posted at 30.10.11 21:30:14 by CapeShark Reply
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  • plumtree made the following comments on the 11 sept but i’m sure he could’ve been talking about last night’s match:

    “It was pretty frustrating making
    that number of errors and getting turned over at breakdown,”
    Plumtree said.

    “We’ve certainly not reached the same heights in this Currie Cup compared to last year, so we’ll have to keep working.

    “At the moment it doesn’t look
    like we can win the trophy back.”

  • Comment 103, posted at 30.10.11 21:43:06 by Megatron Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 102) : i’ll have to check the “obstruction” again, i’m reminded of the twickenham game where the crusaders andy ellis ran the same loop around move as bondesio and even then some here cried about obstruction.

  • Comment 104, posted at 30.10.11 21:45:34 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 104) : All I’m saying is, in that particular move it seemed like a wall of players were planted in front to block off any fair chance of the defenders getting at the man with the ball. The try that resulted was amazing. Can’t believe Taute just bamboozled JP Pietersen like that. It just shows you that our World Cup Boks were completely shagged out. Or disinterested. Or both…

  • Comment 105, posted at 30.10.11 22:20:44 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 105) : it was killian that killed jpp, taute finished.

  • Comment 106, posted at 30.10.11 23:03:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • I dont understand the negativity from the Sharks supporters. Coming second hardly warrants the amount of complaining I’ve seen directed at the payers and at the management. Be proud of what your team achieved, dont complain that they couldn’t go the extra mile. This win for the Lions is a positive step for SA rugby as a whole, and that has to come before provincial pride. I was happy for my WP just to make the semis with all the problems they’ve had, and the Bulls didnt make it at all. You did well and your players deserve respect for how far they got. So instead of dwelling on the past, look forward to the Sharks future, which from where I’m standing looks quite good.

    Seriously Rob, get going on the Super Rugby buildup man, that should cheer people up. I’ve got to dust off my Stormers jersey.

  • Comment 107, posted at 30.10.11 23:16:51 by Leviathan Reply

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  • Well done to the Lions, their effort as a collective team once again showed that a team is much greater than an individual.

    The Sharks batteled to get any momentum going and when they did the ball was knocjed forward or lost at ruck time. I think their are positives although most would tend to the negative side because we lost.

    I really hope that Plum now finally realised that Marius Joubert is definetly not cutting it. JLP has much more to offer and should be given a chance at least. The absence of a true fetcher like Minnie or Brussow is going to cost us dearly going forward if not focused on. Jean Deysel could play that role but definetly not at lock. We also need some reinforecments their or at least play a specialist in the position.

    I am still proud of the boys though they dissapointed in the final. Have agood rest and we look forward to see you in 2012!

  • Comment 108, posted at 31.10.11 06:55:49 by Pta Shark Reply

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  • @Leviathan (Comment 107) : It’s nite because we lost it’s more about why we lost and how we lost. The current team is not living up to their potential and that is troublesome :sad:

  • Comment 109, posted at 31.10.11 07:02:02 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 109) : nite = not

  • Comment 110, posted at 31.10.11 07:12:11 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Does anybody have any problems loading pages? It takes me 3 to 4 reloads/refreshes to load an entire page completely :???:

  • Comment 111, posted at 31.10.11 07:21:42 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Leviathan (Comment 107) : Good comment, yes its easy to be negative after a loss, I still say for 2011 we on average was still the best SA team, semi in S15 and final in CC, yes we want to have the cup standing in our tank, not to be this year… Still SHARKS FOREVER…

  • Comment 112, posted at 31.10.11 07:23:52 by Franshark Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 111) : not me, :)

  • Comment 113, posted at 31.10.11 07:24:39 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 112) : What semi?

  • Comment 114, posted at 31.10.11 07:25:05 by Ben Reply
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  • I seriously can’t believe whats happening!!! I am getting more [email protected] from the bulls supporters than from the lions supporters???

    Can someone please explain that logic to me :???:

  • Comment 115, posted at 31.10.11 07:56:22 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • And give me a lekker comeback to say at them ;-)

  • Comment 116, posted at 31.10.11 07:57:07 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Based on some of the comments im wondering if some people actually watched the game? The Sharks dominated possession, territory and the scrums. The penalty count was massively in favour of the Lions and to their credit they kicked the points on offer and thus stayed out of reach of the Sharks. So no the Sharks dont need a new team. On another day, as was shown at Kings Park a couple weeks ago, the Sharks will convert their possession and the opposition will get a smack.

  • Comment 117, posted at 31.10.11 08:09:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : There is no on another day. This was THE day!

  • Comment 118, posted at 31.10.11 08:13:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : This was a Final….

  • Comment 119, posted at 31.10.11 08:21:45 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 118) : What i was trying to say was that everything seemed to go well for the Lions in everything they did and noting seemed to go the Sharks way from the 50/50 refs calls to the bounce of the ball etc. It doesnt mean the Sharks are a bad team. Cos if thats the case then how would you classify WP,Cheetahs and Bulls?

  • Comment 120, posted at 31.10.11 08:28:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 120) : You need to give everyone a chance to let it out. We’re a passionate, emotional bunch here at Sharkworld and that means when we win we go crazy for the team, but when we lose we will also need time to be a little mad.

  • Comment 121, posted at 31.10.11 08:37:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 121) : Yeh i understand that people are upset…if we werent upset then it means we dont care! It was by no means a perfect Sharks performance but i also dont think the scoreline is a fair reflection.

  • Comment 122, posted at 31.10.11 08:48:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 120) :

    I agree with you completely.

    Still think that the Sharks are terrible at securing their own ball, and don’t put enough emphasis on slowing down opposition ball effectively. Great having ball-carriers, but you need players who do the ground work as well.

    Playing away from home in the play-offs was always going to be a tough ask for any side.

    I think Deysel can do a job at 4 if needed, but think Plumtree should shelve that idea for now and give his 4 genuine locks a go! What are the chances of Jandre Marais getting some starts!?!

    And definitely find an openside! Steal Minnie if you have to :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 31.10.11 08:51:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : Just comes down to the theory that a team can dominate at the scrums, dominate possession and dominate territory, but if they don’t dominate the breakdown and do not the right player to be able to do something with the possession, they won’t be successful

  • Comment 124, posted at 31.10.11 08:57:23 by Mocho Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 116) : Smooth coming from someone who could not even make the play-offs this year..

  • Comment 125, posted at 31.10.11 08:57:39 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • Isn’t it ironic that Stefan’s post-match victory speech after last year’s final contained words to the effect that a team will always beat a bunch of individuals.

    Seems that a lot can be forgotten in a year…

  • Comment 126, posted at 31.10.11 09:01:42 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 123) : @Mocho (Comment 124) : Dont get me started on the breakdown..thats a whole long story! But I have always felt that the Sharks are not accurate enough at the breakdown…the ball always seems to be popping out or being kicked by players or players going to ground try rediculous pop passes. If the Sharks can be more accurate at the breakdown then there is nothing wrong with their game plan.

  • Comment 127, posted at 31.10.11 09:06:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 114) : ok, sorry, forgot it was more like a quarter. :oops:

  • Comment 128, posted at 31.10.11 09:07:46 by Franshark Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 115) : I feel your pain, same at work for me…

  • Comment 129, posted at 31.10.11 09:09:42 by Franshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) :

    Not talking game-plan at all! Definitely not at fault there. It’s the execution that can be a problem at times.

    Too many ball-carriers, not enough emphasis on securing the ball and so forth up front.

    The Beast, Keegan Daniel. Raise your hands.

    Much as I love watching the Beast running with the ball, I’ve never thought of him as a good enough all-round player to be starting for the Springboks. Was very happy when they made Gurthro the starter. There’s enough strong ball-carriers around, and Beast doesn’t have much of a workrate outside of carrying the ball.

    Will probably be abused for saying that, but that’s how I see it :mrgreen:

    I was, and still am a big fan of Heinke van der Merwe. A shame he went overseas so early.

  • Comment 130, posted at 31.10.11 09:15:09 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 130) :

    And just to be clear.

    I think the Beast & Keegan Daniel are both good players.

    I just don’t think the balance of the team is right.

    Too much of one thing, not enough of the other.

    They’re not performing some of the duties that are required from that position.

  • Comment 131, posted at 31.10.11 09:16:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 131) : I do see your point but my thinking is similar but just on a different tangent. Im not a fan of a team having 1 “fetcher”. I believe everyone in the team should be responsible for securing the ball at the rucks and contesting opposition ball not just 1 player. I also believe that the Sharks perhaps need sum more speed in their forwards. I know a lot of people wont be fans of it but why cant Skeate and Hargreaves play together if you have Alberts,Deysel and Kanko as loosies? The locks then provide the speed to the breakdown and have the Sharks big ball carriers all playing.

  • Comment 132, posted at 31.10.11 09:22:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 123) :

    no :P keep your grubby little fingers off our players damit :P

  • Comment 133, posted at 31.10.11 09:22:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) :

    You still have to remember that the team that played on Saterday showed 8 starting changes from the one that faced you guys 2 weeks back .

  • Comment 134, posted at 31.10.11 09:26:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 133) :

    I’m yet to be convinced the Lions can follow on from here though!

    Maybe a bit early to say it, but have they really got the athleticism to compete every weekend in Super rugby? I’m not so sure.

    Congratulations to them on winning. A lot better then I gave them credit for, but the damage was also done before the Springboks came back! By that time the Lions had already secured home-advantage & built up good momentum. How will they do with a fresh start :mrgreen:

  • Comment 135, posted at 31.10.11 09:31:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 135) :

    Thanx !! was very great watching hehe

    Ill admit we have a long way to go . But there is no reason why we cant be competitive @ SR level

    i spent the whole CC listening to the statement that the next week will be the Lions big test . And mostly we passed the test . …

    put it this way . im silently optimistic for next year … hopefully the few closes results we had this year in SR can be turned around to wins …

  • Comment 136, posted at 31.10.11 09:41:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 136) : Congrats Zibbie! I am still hurting like hell, becoz the Sharks team did not rise to the occasion. If they played to their potential – I am sure it would have been a different ball game. HOWEVER, I am not taking the win away from u okes – on the day, they defnitely deserved it and played well.

  • Comment 137, posted at 31.10.11 09:57:42 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 136) : The result in Durban a couple weeks ago shows that if the Lions pick up a few key injuries then they will be in trouble against other full strength sides. All sides will be affected by key injuries but i think it will hurt the Lions more than other sides.

  • Comment 138, posted at 31.10.11 10:02:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 137) :

    Thanx :mrgreen: i really cant stop smiling !!!! hehehh . its a strange feeling . The last time we won i was in Grade 7 (standerd vyf in die ou dae ).

    I will be enjoying this heheh !!! @robdylan (Comment 94) :

    hehe Rob . may i please ask you to knit me a cup for my profile please :mrgreen:

    im a bad boy hehehehe :twisted:

  • Comment 139, posted at 31.10.11 10:02:31 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 135) :

    Dude whats it gonna take for you to finally admit that this is a Good Lions side with a handful of real stars ..

  • Comment 140, posted at 31.10.11 10:02:58 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 139) :

    Everyone is quick to point out our poor form in S15 ..but fail to mention on how many occassions we lost by 3 points or less and a draw against the Sharks ..” 2 away wins ..which frankly is unheard of ..

  • Comment 141, posted at 31.10.11 10:05:31 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • Robd i can help with the knitting threads ..I learnt how to knit last year .. :oops: ;-)

  • Comment 142, posted at 31.10.11 10:06:29 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! (Comment 142) : John Mitchel can help out as well. He took a bunch of ordinary players, and knitted a winning team.

  • Comment 143, posted at 31.10.11 10:13:15 by Greg Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 138) :

    True . we had a few injuries as well . Murray . Mapoe .

    but i think the main thing was . we play the Sharks . what ever the result we will end top of the log . now if you are a starting player (like lets say Taute who played that game) . Do you go all out and risk getting injured ? i wont be told the players played that game all out .

    i will admit the Lions are not yet perfect . we will have tow in another CC or 3 and maybe a SR title as well. But winning the CC is most defiantly a step in the right direction .

  • Comment 144, posted at 31.10.11 10:20:20 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 135) : the lions did well to moer both WP & the Sharks, what more do you want?

    Super rugby is a different kettle of fish and i reckon the lions should go shopping for backup/depth because they will need it in super rugby. even teams like the brumbies and hurricanes are in serious disarray, now if the lions can grind out victories against those teams and finish off the bulls home and away then they’ll be sitting pretty.

    you forget that the lions actually blew good leads against both the bulls and sharks in super rugby, they lost against the bulls and drew with the sharks with butch’s last gasp drop being desperately blocked by bismark!

  • Comment 145, posted at 31.10.11 10:23:58 by Megatron Reply

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  • @CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! (Comment 140) :

    I’d need to see them finish at least 3rd in the SA conference, win a couple of games overseas and be competitive throughout Super Rugby.

    They’ve played to the best of their abilities IMO. The other teams will be stepping it up in a BIG way.

  • Comment 146, posted at 31.10.11 10:25:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • A positive stemming from this CC season is that the Sharks have a really good idea of where there weaknesses lie ahead of SR 2012.

    One of the big unanswered questions that has to be answered is, is this town big enough for Alberts and Deysel? I think it is. Deysel isn’t a good option as a starting lock but its good use of the CC to learn that he is an option in this role if push comes to shove.

    I’d like to see Alberts at 8 and Deysel at 7. However I’m not sure if Daniel is an ideal 6 to compliment these guys. I really wud an all out fetcher who plays like the balls shadow mainly on D but also in attack. And Kanko! Is there still a place in the team for a guy who shies away from the hard graft at the breakdown. I love some of what he brings to the party but maybe he should try out for the no.13 jersey in 2012.

    I also have even greater doubts over Daniel’s leadership quailities. Amongst other things I can’t help but feel a lot more of those scrumming pen wud have gone against Cilliers had Smit been running the show.

    Joubert, thumbs crossed cud still up his gain and add value at 12, competing against Bosman. I think we have to get use to the idea that both these guys are always going to rank amongst the poorer performing centres in SR.

    I somehow don’t think Plum will get an application from Kanko to play 13 so hear we’ve got to hope and pray that Whitehead does let us down. If he’s injured, I’d say give Viljoen a shot a 13 or bring in Jordaan. But I’d test still scan the market to see if there’s a decent up and coming outside centre out there that cud be brought on board.

    I also hope that Hoffman gets more game time. This guy is capable of keeping the D around the fringes honest. However he is very untidy at the moment and I think if he has the confidence of knowing he’s the regular starter, we’ll see his error rate come right down.

    Finally just like the attempt to keep Deysel and Alberts in the same team issue, a hard decision regarding Lambie vs Michalak has to be made. Michalak unfortunately has to be reduced to a benchwarmer. Pat gives us direction, he plays the close contact gainline game a lot better and he needs to settle coz right now he looks like our best option to captain the team sooner rather than later.

    I think we have a good squad heading into SR but it needs some tweeking and a little more creative input.

  • Comment 147, posted at 31.10.11 10:27:53 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 146) :

    Well time will tell.. now crawl back under your Coenie Oos duvet ;-)

  • Comment 148, posted at 31.10.11 10:30:45 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • Lions depth concern starts at 9, Prop and a lock ..

    I rate Snyman and look forward to seeing him get a extended run next year.

    And as for Rhodes ..it pleases me that people dont rate him ..

    Watch this kid he can become a Bok ..another year or so and clean up his disipline.

  • Comment 149, posted at 31.10.11 10:33:10 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 147) :

    I like the way you think! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 150, posted at 31.10.11 10:33:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Lions you deserved to win. Congratulations, you played really attractive final’s rugby. (And I really wish we had a centre similar to Doppies playing for us)

    Sharks, you’ll always be my team through thick and thin. Congratulations on ending up second on the log without a decent midfield, players being played out of position, a number of new players from the age-group sides and returning Bok players. I think that’s quite an achievement in itself.

    Sharks coaching staff and management, I sincerely hope you have the capacity to grow in your abilities and change with the times.

  • Comment 151, posted at 31.10.11 10:35:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! (Comment 148) :

    If he was a Lion you’d be singing his praises! :grin:

    Pop quiz. Who won the most turnovers (pilfers) in Super Rugby 2012. Had 6 more then the next best?

  • Comment 152, posted at 31.10.11 10:35:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 146) :

    if we manage 3rd ill be a happy man ..

    mid table would be a great improvement !!!!

  • Comment 153, posted at 31.10.11 10:36:38 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 147) : A lot of very good points as always! What your views on having 2 mobile locks if Alberts and Deysel play in same loose trio? And is Michalak a better 9 then McCloed or Hoffman? And how does Ludick and Viljoen fit into the same team?

  • Comment 154, posted at 31.10.11 10:37:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! (Comment 149) :

    Not against the quality blindsides we already have in SA. Glad that Rhodes is going well at SR level though.

  • Comment 155, posted at 31.10.11 10:40:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 153) :

    If they don’t finish at least third, it says that winning this CC really doesn’t prove anything!

    I think they’d do very very well to finish 3rd of the SA teams. I’d give that a solid A.

  • Comment 156, posted at 31.10.11 10:42:45 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! (Comment 149) :

    @ 9 we getting Moolman from the leopard , Ross from the sharkies . We already have Eddie Bredenhann as well . i think we will be ok in that department for a few years

  • Comment 157, posted at 31.10.11 10:43:46 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 152) : Hey China bean…you playing “futuristic quizz”?? :wink:

  • Comment 158, posted at 31.10.11 10:47:24 by Ice Ice Bokkie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 156) :

    Well if you have a look at the other SA sides … Province need a decant front row , im not so sure about what the bulls will do . we will have to wait and see . we have showed we can beat a full strength sharkies team .

    like i said . if we can turn a few results from this year into wins we will be a lot better placed

  • Comment 159, posted at 31.10.11 10:48:27 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 147) :

    One thing though about Kankowski. I’m a big believer in having a number-8 who links well with his backs and is rangy.

    When your forwards aren’t getting it done you’d want grunt in that position, but in the right circumstances/team he’s damn near irreplaceable.

    Players like Alberts & Vermeulen are blindside flankers IMO. Even Josh Strauss for me is more of a blindside.

  • Comment 160, posted at 31.10.11 10:49:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ice Ice Bokkie (Comment 158) :

    Whoops, meant 2011 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 161, posted at 31.10.11 10:50:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 152) :

    Zero ..erm we in 2011 …I know you eager .. :razz:

  • Comment 162, posted at 31.10.11 10:52:32 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • I’ll say this Deysel is not a locks arse ..and he should move to the back of the scrum.

    Alberts is being played into the ground very much like he was at the Lions ..he needs to work on his off loading and passing into space to ease the pressure on his frame ..

  • Comment 163, posted at 31.10.11 10:56:26 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 159) :

    TBH, I’m more worried about the Stormers halfback combination and 6 jersey.

    Combination of Duvenage and Grant doesn’t inspire me with confidence. Pretty much just goes through the hands, so I hope that Gary van Aswegen does something special before Peter Grant gets back.

    And the Stormers are even worse off then the Sharks in the 6 jersey. A lot of ball-carriers but no ground-work.

    Pieter Louw is probably the best option there, but is unlikely to make it into the match-22, and Duane Vermeulen also a has a high workrate off the ball, but will in all likelihood continue at number-8 :evil: Wish they’d stick him on the blindside.

  • Comment 164, posted at 31.10.11 10:56:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 152) : how many scrum penalties did coenie leak?

  • Comment 165, posted at 31.10.11 11:01:31 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 165) :

    Don’t have those stats, but it’s a bit high. A lot of his penalties came from being ill-disciplined in other facets of the game though, not just from scrums.

    Probably the easiest thing he could be asked to improve on though :mrgreen: Can turn someone with his frame into a good scrummager, but can’t easily turn a good scrummager into a such a good rugby player.

  • Comment 166, posted at 31.10.11 11:06:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 166) : convininently :roll: he is a prop after all, his primary job is to scrum. wyatt crockett lost out on a rwc spot because of perceived weakness at the scrum.

  • Comment 167, posted at 31.10.11 11:12:31 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 167) :

    You go ahead and write him off. I’ll remind you next year okay! :lol:

  • Comment 168, posted at 31.10.11 11:17:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 167) :

    The very problem we have with Pat Cilliers ..awesome round the park and makes alot of tackles but gets scrummed backwards far to regularly .

  • Comment 169, posted at 31.10.11 11:18:16 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 168) : i haven’t written him off, rather you’re HYPING him unnecessarily and glossing over his glaring weaknesses as you are wont to do with your favourites. :grin:

  • Comment 170, posted at 31.10.11 11:24:58 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 170) :

    :roll: I’ve hardly been hyping him up. But at this stage I can see him being very useful off the bench for the Springbok team, and yes, I do think he’s a very special player.

  • Comment 171, posted at 31.10.11 11:27:06 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 169) :

    I actually think Pat would make a great hooker!

  • Comment 172, posted at 31.10.11 11:27:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 171) :

    The real problem is I said him and Gurthro are better then the Beast. That doesn’t go down well with Sharks supporters it seems :lol:

    Having a workrate outside of carrying the ball and being present at set-pieces is also important for a prop. They need to be good off the ball.

  • Comment 173, posted at 31.10.11 11:29:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 169) : He gets scrummed backwards only when he tries to hit front on like the scrum when Beast lifted him. After that scrum Cilliers took and hit and turned in slightly so that Beast couldnt exert as much pressure or else he would lose his bind and get penalised, which is what happened.

  • Comment 174, posted at 31.10.11 11:29:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 172) :

    Maybe playing club rugby :shock:

    Few people here making Cilliers workrate out to be something it is not.

  • Comment 175, posted at 31.10.11 11:31:25 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 169) : beast on saturday got pinged off the park by lawrence and actually killed off any fightback chance the guppys had as the lions just piled on the score and inched further away. scrum dominance or parity is important and penalties are also critical in swinging momentum. check the ireland vs australia game.

  • Comment 176, posted at 31.10.11 11:31:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 172) :

    Interesting move that would be ..still not completely sold on Maku .. we never should have let Hienke go ..even Wepner was a handy hooker .

  • Comment 177, posted at 31.10.11 11:31:49 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • In fact, how about some comparisons with his partner JC Janse van Rensburg in the 2011 Super rugby season.

    JC Janse van Rensburg
    Minutes Played: 1280 (every single minute of their season)
    Runs: 103
    Broken Tackles: 8
    Tackles Made: 130
    Tackles Missed: 10

    Pat Cilliers
    Minutes Played: 975
    Runs: 49
    Broken Tackles: 2
    Tackles Made: 92
    Tackles Missed: 20

  • Comment 178, posted at 31.10.11 11:34:08 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 177) :

    Heinke was useless IMO. He was a reasonable scrummager but other than that he wasn’t worth much.

    I like Maku. He’s got a good work rate. Wepener is really good. Pity the Lions couldn’t hang onto him and now Wepener will probably stay on the bench behind Chili for the Bulls.

  • Comment 179, posted at 31.10.11 11:36:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 160) : Kanko’s done some flashy stuff that has won games for the Sharks in the past. 10/10 for individual billiance but I’m not sure he’s ever been the best link player around. Too often I’ve seen him manufacture a wonderful oppo only for it to amount to nothing coz he didn’t look to offload at the critical time.

    I wanted the u21 game. Arno Botha was a standout, in fact only 2nd to Frans Venter for MotM imho. Its not just Arno’s injection of pace that’s a sight for sore eyes, its his absolutely spot on timing and line picking. Arno reminds me of what Kanko and Spies were like not so long ago. Guys who read the game like a book and knew exactly when and where to be to take maximum advantage of a potential linebreaking situation. Kanko has to recapture this magic.

    I also feel that had the Sharks philosophy been applied to the Lions, they wud have started James on Saturday even if it had been a misfit coz they wud have been so desperate to accommodate their best, most talented players on the field. I think we have to move on from this idea of individuals and move on to a situation where we realise that we have a surplus of talent in certain positions but trying to find a place for all of them on the field simutaneously probably isn’t in the best interests of playing winning team rugby. Some hard choices have to be made to bench some stars in the interests of putting together a more rounded and complete team.

  • Comment 180, posted at 31.10.11 11:36:59 by beet Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 179) :

    Well I know for a fact that Leinster are happy he moved :grin:

    They’re all disappointed he didn’t come to them as an uncapped player (like Richardt Strauss).

    Not to mention his work off the ball was fantastic. Didn’t have the athleticism to be an outstanding ball-carrier, so didn’t bother, but defensively he was a giant.

    He was definitely broken by the Lions losing-culture at the time though.

  • Comment 181, posted at 31.10.11 11:41:54 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 180) :

    I’m not allowed to comment on Arno Botha. I get told off.

    Something to do with me showing favoritism over Marcell Coetzee apparently :lol:

  • Comment 182, posted at 31.10.11 11:43:34 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 181) : Are you referring to Heinke in that comment?

  • Comment 183, posted at 31.10.11 11:52:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 154) : I like the idea of a 900+kg pack that is strong at set pieces. If you can get 2 big boys who hold their own at lineout time all the better, I say. However I’m not opposed to mobile locks as long as they front up in the scrumming dept as well.

    Both scrumming and lineout setpieces are able to influence the outcome of a game.

    Realistically we should look at an athletic guy with good movement and timing at 4 jumper and a more physical type guy at 2. That’s why I thought that as a 5 lock in the squad we should have looked at bringing in a guy like Roodt in case J.Marais doesn’t offer what we want. With Roodt off the market it looks like we now either have to back young Peet Marais or possibily bring in a guy like Marius Coetzer on a short term contract.

    Freddy imho is always going to be a rollercoaster ride. He is capable of being the worlds best on one day and close to worthless the next time out. I don’t know enough to suggest hed cut it at no9 at present but I’m sure he’d offer the same kind of highs and lows. It was probably another wasted oppo not testing him at 9 during the CC

  • Comment 184, posted at 31.10.11 11:52:44 by beet Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 154) : I think Ludik is a safe fullback. Particularly in very wet weather when you need a solid guy, he’s outstanding at the back. However he’s more like a goalkeeper and my feeling is that the position needs more of a striker. I wud go with Viljoen for this reason. Ludik tries hard but he is unable to produce any magic on attack. I wud even be tempered to select Gouws Prinsloo ahead of Ludik.

  • Comment 185, posted at 31.10.11 11:58:59 by beet Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 183) :

    Yes I am.

  • Comment 186, posted at 31.10.11 12:03:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 184) : I tend to agree with u there. With the players in the Sharks squad i dont know why we didnt revert to a more pick and drive game on the weekend. I prefer Bresler over Marais to be honest, but he is also usefull. I also liked a few of the u21 locks as they looked usefull. I dotn know why Michalak wasnt played at 9 at all…mayb they tried at training and he sucked? Do u know if Jordaan will be with the 7s this year?

  • Comment 187, posted at 31.10.11 12:04:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 185) : Prinsloo looked solid when he played the 1 game but he tended to kick the ball when he would usually run it, but mayb that was a directive from the coaching staff to minimise any errors he would make. Williams and Lindeque arent really looking that hot hey, altho Lindeque is still young. The u21 bench made a huge impact in the game. Im not a great fan of Viljoen at 15 to be honest, would prefer him between 10 and 13.

  • Comment 188, posted at 31.10.11 12:07:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • As I said on Thursday last week the lions will play in our half and chip away on the 3 points which they did and put us under pressure.We played catch up all the game which just put pressure on all our players thus causing all the errors in our game. as i said all year we need to good centers.Lambie has to start at fly-half otherwise we will have the same as the steyn story,shunted all over the back line and he could not take it and moved on.Plumtree :!: must be wondering at night why he let those players leave and move to the lions. :roll:

  • Comment 189, posted at 31.10.11 12:30:54 by pete69 Reply

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  • Well done to the Lions they worked hard all year round to get what they wanted, and think of it this way the Snoils are our 2nd team so in the run we still won the CC final just in lions jerseys :oops:

    But just get this one thing right

    Sharks are going to be back to take the CC back to Sharks Tank one 1000% :mrgreen:

  • Comment 190, posted at 31.10.11 12:50:52 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 190) : i see you not calling them “SNOILS” today :lol:

  • Comment 191, posted at 31.10.11 12:57:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 191) : Read it again.

  • Comment 192, posted at 31.10.11 13:00:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 190) :

    Yea well it took an X-Lion too score your only try …just saying.

  • Comment 193, posted at 31.10.11 13:03:07 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 81) : Mvovo would def been hauled in…he was beaten for pace

  • Comment 194, posted at 31.10.11 14:04:12 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 81) : Mvovo would def been hauled in…Odwa is faster…Mvovo was beaten for pace a few times in a game by Deon van Rensberg earlier in the season…plus Odwa runs better lines and defends much better than Mvovo…plus Mvovo has poor handling in fielding defensive and attacking kicks…

    Sithole would def not be hauled in…he will in the next year surpass both…

  • Comment 195, posted at 31.10.11 14:07:59 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 190) : and there were just as many Lions in Sharks jerseys…
    Or Sharks never win as it is always Freestaters in Sharks jerseys… ;)

  • Comment 196, posted at 31.10.11 14:13:26 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 195) :

    Odwa quicker than Mvovo ..now that is funny ..seriously Hmm I expect more from u .. :razz:

    imho Mvovo would have burned CJ on the outside.

  • Comment 197, posted at 31.10.11 14:27:04 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 197) :

    Hey CSB!

    Congrats with the win! I’m really happy for you dude!!

    You’ve been a long suffering fan for years now! :mrgreen:

    Enjoy it and bask in the glory!! ;-)

  • Comment 198, posted at 31.10.11 14:48:30 by wpw Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 195) : Please stick to watching the Lions play. Seems your knowledge about the Sharks players doesn’t stretch very far. In your dreams is Odwa faster than Mvovo.

  • Comment 199, posted at 31.10.11 15:36:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 199) : Odwa isn’t even faster than CJ :lol:

  • Comment 200, posted at 31.10.11 16:32:15 by Greg Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 48) : Way, way hotter.

  • Comment 201, posted at 31.10.11 16:44:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 195) : ha ha ha ,good one …

  • Comment 202, posted at 31.10.11 16:55:56 by Talent Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 200) : I thought I was on drugs everything looked so slow from my seat in that particular move… :oops:

  • Comment 203, posted at 31.10.11 17:03:51 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 198) :

    Thanks so much Wes ..most appreciated ..the likes of you Robd and KSA know from years ago already ..

    haha first time I can blog whilst having actually won something :cool:

  • Comment 204, posted at 31.10.11 18:17:10 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

    csbSuper Rugby player
     
  • @CSB: congrats on winning.

  • Comment 205, posted at 31.10.11 18:28:32 by bergshark Reply

    bergsharkSuper Rugby player
     

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