Poisy

Let the soul-searching begin


Written by Nkululeko Duma (Poisy)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Reader Submissions, Sharks on 31 Oct 2011 at 08:00
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Saturday morning was spent with me driving up to Joburg with 6 people – all rugby fans but more importantly they were Sharks rugby fans. I could feel the excitement brewing on eager faces.

All kitted out in black and white and flags just waiting to be waved in the highveld atmosphere. As we stopped for lunch and finally reached our destination,we saw very little in the city that showed it was a currie cup final. But as we got to the stadium that all changed as it was a sea of red and white and occasional black. The atmosphere was just amazing(the people not so much),and we took our seats to catch our lovely under 21′s get a hiding you sort of got the sense it was a tough match(we only got there with 12min left).

Than came the big game and an embarrassment to what the sharks stand for,I saw very little passion from our boys and as it went on it was all to clear who would win the match.

The lions were everything we were not,they felt everything we couldn’t bring ourselves to feel,they had direction and were confident in everything they did,from chasing to tackling to they game plan. The only thing that came to me was the book THINGS FALL APART like in the book the Sharks have returned to a new landscape everything is different they not as mighty as they use to be but they refused to change!

The ball carrying game we play is just not working and relies too much on 1 or 2 people and if they have an off day than we have no direction. But the big thing on the day was our centres – this is something we have complained about for most of the year and it was not addressed. Perhaps its time for Plum to go,nobody can stomach another performance like that it was gut wrenching and downright painful to watch.

Its not only Plum’s fault, though – the players need to do some soul-searching of they own now along with the under 21′s because since plum isn’t giving them a chance than chances are they are going to leave. It was hard watching Michael Rhodes, Pat Cilliers, Warren Whiteley, Doppies la Grange and Waylon Murray, all out and out Durban boys, be so happy to see the Sharks lose that just broke my heart, but can you blame them? They left because a lack of chances and how many more of our players are gonna leave before the Sharks decide to back our local talent, so from coach to players let the soul searching begin.



161 Comments

  • Yay you posted it :D

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.10.11 08:05:56 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : sums up what I’m sure a lot of us are thinking, mate.

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.10.11 08:08:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : we keep saying plum must go but who would take his place? Perhaps its time the sharks used they cheque book to poach an excellent coach

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.10.11 08:10:48 by Poisy Reply
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  • Hi there, the weekend that was…feel like crying this morning. Was so sad this morning, that it had to take me seeing a motorcycle accident, to yank me back to this world…it does keep on turning. But I have to salute the Sharks fans who visited the Lions’ Den on Saturday…man, I love the Sharks dearly, but there are some serious work needed before the Super 15 2012 campaign kicks off-with our first match on 24 February 2012 against the Bulls. To return to Saturday-there is one thing i gained from the Sharks’ defeat…that is to see how Mr Strauss looks without his beard. Oh yes, not to forget sportmanship…well done Lions and enjoy your celebrations…and of course, Sharks forever! Oh yes, in a letter in “Die Burger” newspaper the writer mentioned that the Sharks’ reputation was destroyed…i beg to differ…reputation we had long before this game and it will carry us forward.

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.10.11 08:13:42 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 4) : my grandma always said “it takes a life time to build a good reputation but only a second to destroy it,but everytime we fall is just an opportunity for us to rise to even greater heights”

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.10.11 08:18:36 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : Spot on! A couple of years ago… 3/4 ? We had two good centres. Most importantly, they were young, and if they sticked around, and Plum gave them chances, they would’ve been great centres by now. But most importantly, they still would’ve been young.

    See where I’m going with this?

    I’m talking about Brad and Waylon vs the Jerry Hatricks.. Stef and Marius.

    After 100 CC games and you fall for a Primary School dummy (lets be honest, there were no greatness in that from the Lions.. They couldn’t believe it either), very disappointing.

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.10.11 08:18:54 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • i made the trek too and was gutted afterwards. This weekend was supposed to be a great one (1st by watchin SA play AUS at Kingsmead, then going to Ellis Park) but it all fell apart.

    I know that its the nature of sport to win and lose, but being voiceless in the deafening Ellis park was hard to swallow. after the sharks try in the 2nd half, we started believing only for a hiding to result.

    In saying that, credit to the Lions for some great play in that game and the season. Its been a loooooooonng rugby season and i have been blessed to be part of the action by being in the stands very frequently (which made the loss harder).

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.10.11 08:19:04 by Jeremiser Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 6) : it was such a basic error I mean 2 guys had the outside guy covered but stef still went for the outside guy instead of just tackling what’s in front of him and trusting his team mates

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.10.11 08:22:49 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 5) : You are absolutely right…we will reach those heights again…after the match, I checked out the Sharks’ facebook site, and the support there certainly lifts the spirits!

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.10.11 08:23:00 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 9) : yup but let’s not have another season like this things need to change

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.10.11 08:26:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 10) : Talking about change…i would like to hear how the Sharks fans will change the team-setup? Do we need change more in the front or -backline? I read a while ago that we bought Rudi Vogt from the Griquas?

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.10.11 08:36:23 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 6) : Brad Barrett was a starting centre but chose to chase the pound and the Sharks are still trying to pay off Murray’s medical bills so Plum def did nothing wrong with them. Pat Cilliers got his head shoved up his rear at scrum time so he also may only have made the Sharks bench. Rhodes is a walking yellow card. Im not trying to put the Lions down but all im saying is that people are judging Plum and some of the players too harshly.

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.10.11 08:36:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 11) : I think we need change the most in the coaching box

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.10.11 08:49:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Anneleen (Comment 11) : It’s Riaan Viljoen. Early days yet but he should start at 15 in 2012.

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.10.11 08:52:56 by Greg Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 13) : A loaded topic indeed! Who would you like to see-any candidates on your list?

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.10.11 08:55:04 by Anneleen Reply

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  • That’s the thing I want plum gone but every good candidate is taken

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.10.11 08:56:26 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : From a historical perspective, the Sharks have tended to not pitch up for big matches (i.e. finals) more often than not. Our record in all finals is less than 50% which pales when compared to say, the Bulls. The point is the one which management made last week: the team/franchise have yet to take that extra step up from winning to ‘championship’ level.

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.10.11 08:57:30 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 14) : Good morning, thank you for correcting me! What are your thoughts on the mentioned player? I see on news 24, after Jaco Taute’s 58 metre penalty, that the writers there mention he is an apt replacement for Francois Steyn? If Riaan Viljoen is then on 15, will Lambie move to 10?

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.10.11 08:57:37 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 13) : I agree with you but i dont think we need a head coach change but more his assistants. Plum has been and continues to be very good for Sharks rugby. His value will only be seen once he is replaced!

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.10.11 08:58:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 17) : I agree with u 100%. And im glad u said big matches and not just finals cos the Sharks just dont seem to consistently have that killer instinct like some other teams.

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.10.11 08:59:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 18) : Anyone saying Jaco Taute is a goal kicking option must be drunk! He gets about 1 in 30 over! He is a good running FB, but not a goal kicker.

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.10.11 09:01:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Nothing wrong with players playing elsewhere, or a union not retaining them. Reality of the professional game. You can’t keep them all signed on :!:

    Players like Cilliers, Rhodes & Whiteley are not better then any of the guys in the Sharks team… the Lions just performed better.

    And Murray hasn’t been anywhere for 4 years now… so not sure why the Sharks would want or need him.

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.10.11 09:02:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : he maybe a good coach but his stubborn when it comes to certain players even when its so obvious things are not working he will try the same thing over and over again definition of insanity :roll: he needs to make tough calls and bring some young players at centre like dick muir did he was never afraid to give young talent a shot,hence we lost to griquas but found frans steyn in that match

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.10.11 09:03:46 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : I am so sure I read somewhere that Waylon said he left as he wasn’t being treated right. Plum was messing him around and putting him on the wing, then not playing him. He also mentioned in that article he was sympathetic to one of the other players that moved from the Sharks to the Lions, I just can’t recall who.

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.10.11 09:08:28 by Mocho Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) : I am drunk with sorrow…i see in your previous comment you mentioned killer-instinct…what can the Sharks do to keep it more consistent?

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.10.11 09:10:15 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 18) : Lambie is the *big* talking point amongst many of the Sharks supporters at the moment. There is a view that we would have performed better if he had played 10 on Saturday: I tend to agree. Would this have have changed the ultimate result? I doubt it. Yes, Lambie to revert to 10 in 2012. If Plum can’t see that then he shouldn’t be head coach, and btw I do think he is the best man for the job currently (but with better backline assistants).

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.10.11 09:10:37 by Greg Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 23) : Its hard for Plum to pick inexperience youngsters when he has very experienced players and Boks at his disposal. If he picked the youngsters and the Sharks got a smack then every man and his dog would be calling for his head saying he should have been the experienced guys and not the youngsters that arent ready. Its a fine line and at the end of the day its his job on the line. He did make a final after all.

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.10.11 09:10:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Look guys . The Lions are still a long way from having the same credentials as the Sharks . Our next few years will be very important .

    We really need to take it forward to SR . it wont be easy .. The guys have a lot of hard work ahead of them .. but i think most teams do …

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.10.11 09:11:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 24) : shame that hit nerve seeing a fellow griffon say that huh? :P

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.10.11 09:11:48 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Anneleen (Comment 25) : Its hard to say as its more having to change a player and teams state of mind rather than his playing skills. I think for me the biggest thing is to appoint the right captain…and Keegan is not that man im afraid.

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.10.11 09:15:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 24) : Waylon was starting centre with Barret, then he got injured and injured and injured and lacked discipline and got fat and slow. Plum tried to accomodate him as he saw his quality but couldnt justify paying the rising medical bills and keeping others out the side for Murray. If the Lions get fed up with paying his medical costs and offload him will he say the same about them??

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.10.11 09:17:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : I agree with you but he picked the ex boks stef and marias and that didn’t work out so many times but he persisted we not angry he made a call to try them but gosh it didn’t work we angry he persisted with something that wasn’t working instead of trying someone else! Nobody is perfect we all make mistakes but he doesn’t listen even when all of natal sees what’s wrong but he can’t or won’t

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.10.11 09:19:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 26) : If we have Lambie at nr 10 in 2012, i presume Michalak is then leaving the Sharks? And how will you go about working on our centre-players?

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.10.11 09:21:31 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 29) : His one of the most humble guys I know. The thing is he may have had high medical bills but he would have been the ideal outside centre for the Sharks this season. His Big, fast and could play of Meyer Bosman’s offloads. His defensively more accurate that Adi and has more playmaking abilities that Terblanche. Westville 4 Life Dawg.

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.10.11 09:22:37 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 1) : I couldn’t agree more – Rhodes, Cilliers and Whiteley have all developed since getting game time at the Lions – I fully expect Ross Cronje to do the same and Mark Richards to pop up in the XV man game somewhere else, probably at the Lions with the rest of the Michaelhouse contingent.
    Why are the homegrown guys leaving and money being spent on the likes of Conrad Hoffman, JLP, Marius Joubert and Meyer Bosman?
    I think that a good hard look meeds to be taken at what and whom drives contracting policy in Durban.
    Perhaps it will take Pat Lambie heading up the N3 to hook up with the rest of his 2007/8 MHS backline one of these days for people to held to account.

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.10.11 09:23:43 by steve Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 33) :

    Michalaks contract finishes in 2012 anyway. I doubt he’d put up a fight if he was stuck on the bench.

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.10.11 09:23:56 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 35) :

    Funny that. Rhodes, Cilliers and Whiteley are all forwards.

    Hoffmann, JLP, Joubert, Bosman are all backs.

    Can you really expect the Sharks to keep players on contract who wouldn’t be playing ahead of Alberts, Kankowski, du Plessis and so forth?

    Every single province loses players, but they sign them also. The Sharks have a hell of a lot of players from other franchises as well, including Deysel, Alberts & Ludik from the Lions.

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.10.11 09:26:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • The Cheetahs are…

    The only franchise that can really complain about losing players.

    Everybody else gives as good as they get.

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.10.11 09:28:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 33) : Fred will be back in 2012 and I am happy about that :smile: Where he will fit in remains to be seen: it could be on the bench, useful as he covers both 9 and 10, or possibly as a starting 9. A great asset to have in the squad at any rate! Meyer Bosman gets a lot of unfair criticism IMHO: he needs someone to play off him and it’s the coach’s job to find that ‘someone’. Whitehead has reportedly signed for next year (from WP) so that may be an option Plum will look at.

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.10.11 09:29:39 by Greg Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 35) : I think that’s what hurts the most hey :cry: that our home grown players born and raised in natal have to play second fiddle to the likes of those players who in fact have done little to justify they backing! Can you imagine 12 of our 22 being players from natal and players that have played with and against each other at school! Now that would be special and they would play for the love of our jersey not just the money

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.10.11 09:30:04 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Anneleen (Comment 33) : @hendrikp (Comment 36) : Michalak will be back @ Sharks for Super Rugby 2012 pre-season training in 3 weeks time…

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.10.11 09:31:07 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Rob have U maybe Got a update on Players Commitments for 2012.

    Chaps Like Gouws Prinsloo(Our own Mills, think he has the makings of a top class 13), Kleynhans, Marcell Coetzee, Jordaan, Sitole, Marias Bros, Williams, Reinach,Mvovu, Riaan Viljoen(Griquas) Rudi Voight(Rumors?) And then the man we all love Steff(?). And Rob do you think we have a Lock Problem? Any other news on some young talent or new signings for 2012(or negotiations) heard rumors of Fondse(WTF?)

    A Possible Sharks Back line:
    15. Ludick/Prinsloo/Viljoen
    14. Mvovo/Akona
    13. Prinsloo/Jordaan
    12. Viljoen(Lambie)/Jordaan
    10. Lambie/Viljoen/
    9. Shallas/Hoffi/Reinach/Michalack

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.10.11 09:31:30 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 35) : The only 1 of those players id take in Durban is Whitely, but the Sharks do seem to have plenty of loose forwards so cant see where he would fit in, but i think he could push for a place! As for Cilliers,Rhodes and the Cronje twins…the Lions can have them with pleasure!

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.10.11 09:31:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 37) : what about ross,guy and richards they not forwards

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.10.11 09:32:17 by Poisy Reply
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  • The sad thing is, what ever the circumstances, that the Sharks had one of the most powerful and feared backlines not so long ago and now we have the most impotent one in the Southern Hemisphere. We lost too many stars in their prime and were all too happy making decisions for short term success instead of long term gain. We now all sit here and sulk about this situation when we all knew one day those decisions will come back to bite us.

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.10.11 09:34:08 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 44) :

    They’ve done what? Sweet f all :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.10.11 09:34:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : Who would like to see as captain? Back to Lambie, i read he would like to be captain and ultimately, Bok-captain…

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.10.11 09:36:50 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 46) : all they need is game time,what have hoffman,stef and joubert done? F all 2 with game time

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.10.11 09:37:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Anneleen (Comment 47) : still too young to be able to captain players like bismarck but he is one for the future that’s for sure

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.10.11 09:39:34 by Poisy Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 36) : Thanks for the info…reading fellow bloggers’ comments…looks like Freddie’s staying…

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.10.11 09:41:58 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 45) : Who’s sulking?! we were outplayed by a better team on the day: let’s get over it and move forward! Sharks have the potential to get back to the top next year if we play to our potential. There is immense talent in the group of players we have now, so let’s see if they can start to gel. No excuses, but let’s not forget that we played without half our team for all but the last 2-3 games this year…

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.10.11 09:42:23 by Greg Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : Who would you like to see as captain?

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.10.11 09:44:10 by Anneleen Reply

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  • i don’t agree that we have 1 or 2 ball carriers. We have 4 ball carriers in Bissie, Alberst, Deysel and Beast. Playing Deysel out of position was the first mistake (i mentioned this before the final).

    Secondly, not giving youngsters like Lindeque a chance was the second mistake. We had another Kiwi (Putt) who did the same thing and we lost great players like Sowerby and Macleod Henderson because they were not given the chance. i hope history does not repeat itself.

    Thirdly, and Rob can ratify this, i have said it many times that Plum is the not the right coach for us. His tactics are not suiting the Sharks. Yes we won the CC last year but our play in general has been poor for the last 2 years.

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.10.11 09:44:41 by dawj Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 52) : why can’t bismarck and jp captain? They have been there long enough

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.10.11 09:46:33 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : I wouldn’t mind seeing Justin Downey (currently with Griquas) back in black and white soon too ;-)

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.10.11 09:47:14 by Greg Reply

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  • Well!! What a season, what a year! Where does one start, wow! Will keep it simple and just say that we need to get Paul True to KZN asap to sort out backline. We need help!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.10.11 09:48:16 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 39) : Whitehead…shucks, i do not know this player…

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.10.11 09:49:23 by Anneleen Reply

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  • I think Freddie will make a great scrumhalf and let’s hope Plum picks him there. Also here’s hoping that the Sharks change the structure of their management and coaching.

    One gets a feeling that Sharks Rugby on a whole emphasis too much on loyalt and sentiment. Jake White wrote about it in his book when he tried to indicate that the old players at Natal were bringing the Union down, and then Jake became the bad guy. It comes down to the coaching as well, with many a coaching staff having loyalty to players that they themselves played with. I wonder with the way the union is run, if an outsider comes how he will be accepted

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.10.11 09:50:21 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 49) : What about Bissie for Captain? :smile:

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.10.11 09:50:22 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 54) : Yeah, mentioning JP Pietersen…the man from the “golden mile” in Durbs, might just lead the Sharks to a golden era…

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.10.11 09:52:22 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 59) : why not? Def leads by example I wouldn’t mind jp petersen as vice either

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.10.11 09:52:51 by Poisy Reply
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  • I’m reposting this from another thread, because, well, I feel strongly about it. While there were some truly dismal individual performances over the weekend(Conrad Hoffman, please take two steps forward), I still feel that what I saw pointed to problems in our captaincy and coaching, rather than our players.

    I’m not sure if the option in the first quarter of foregoing kickable penalties in favour of attempting to set up tries was due to mind-boggling naivety, or monstrous arrogance, but neither sentiment belongs on the park, particularly not in a final, and for that the captain has to account for. Most people here know that I’m a big Keegan fan, but frankly, I don’t think he’s the right candidate as captain.

    As for the coaching, I have the good fortune of having a mate who works for Ellis Park stadium management, and he happened to find the Sharks’coaching manual left behind in the coaches box. It’s quite a slim tome of 20 pages, but illuminating reading. Here’s some verbatim quotes:

    Page 1:
    Plan A: Whenever possible, pass the ball to Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Bismarck du Plessis or Marcell Coetzee, and allow them to take it up over the advantage line, which should create opportunities. In the event of this not working, pass the ball again to Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Bismarck du Plessis or Marcell Coetzee, and allow them to take it up over the advantage line, which should create opportunities. In the event of this not working, pass the ball again to Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Bismarck du Plessis or Marcell Coetzee, and allow them to take it up over the advantage line, which should create opportunities. In the…

    And so it goes on until page 20, where we get:
    Plan B: From scrums, or in the event of Plan A not working, pass the ball from 8 to 9 to 10 to 12 to 13 to 14/11, and allow one of them to create a line break, which should create opportunities. If this does not work, revert to Plan A.

    Basically, the Sharks is (and have been for some time) abjectly poor at retaining and recycling our own balls, completely impotent at contesting or slowing down opposition ball, and planless when in possession. These issues, along with mental coaching must be addressed urgently. Until that happens, I’m feeling decidedly unoptimistic about our chances in the Super 15.

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.10.11 09:54:03 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Anneleen (Comment 60) : its funny his name doesn’t get thrown around when people mention captain honors but I think he would make a brilliant one

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.10.11 09:55:08 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 44) : Mark Richards signed a contract to play 7s with the Blitzbokke. Hopefully he should be back in black and white, an even better player in future :smile: The Cronje twins seem to be a package deal: doubt it would be worthwhile giving 2 contracts and getting value for only 1 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.10.11 09:56:03 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 64) : you underestimate guy cronje his a better flyhalf than freddie I think he just never got given a chance to prove it

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.10.11 09:59:09 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 65) :

    No no, you just have an infatuation with the Cronje twins.

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.10.11 10:02:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 61) : @Poisy (Comment 61) : Plum, hope you’re reading this…put JP up for Captain or vice…

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.10.11 10:03:00 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 65) : Freddie is a seasoned international player. Never seen anything in the other twin to make me think he could ever make it as an international unfortunately (yes I watch a lot of rugby lol). We’ll have to agree to differ on this one :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.10.11 10:03:22 by Greg Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 62) :

    How about playing the situation? :roll:

    @Poisy (Comment 65) :

    Guy Cronje should go play First Division Currie Cup. Isn’t going to be anything anywhere else in the short-term. 4th-choice at the Lions until Butch retires.

    I’m backing Bredenhann to be the starting 9 for the Lions within a year or so.

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.10.11 10:05:56 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 66) : no iv just seen them play more often than anyone here from high school till now

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.10.11 10:06:05 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 68) :

    Don’t take anything regarding a Cronje twin too seriously if it comes from Poisy. :lol:

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.10.11 10:07:00 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 71) : oi! :evil: :P

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.10.11 10:09:08 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 70) :

    Same high school? Might point out that you’re willing them to do well, rather then having a fairly balanced view on whether they’re actually capable players.

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.10.11 10:09:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 72) :

    I remember you criticizing Hoffmann for his performance, but when Cronje had a SHOCKER you quickly looked for excuses elsewhere! :grin:

    Nothing wrong with being enthusiastic about it, but I can’t see how they could add any value at the Sharks. They’d be foolish to fork out more money to have a huge roster full of players they don’t want or need.

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.10.11 10:12:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 73) : lol no rival school

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.10.11 10:12:16 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Anneleen (Comment 52) : To be honest there many guys in the current Sharks setup that are captain material. They can perhaps try guys like Bosman and even Alberts but im not sure how they would fare.

  • Comment 76, posted at 31.10.11 10:13:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I find it amusing that Michael Rhodes, Pat Cilliers, Warren Whiteley, Doppies la Grange and Waylon Murray get mentioned as “Durban boys” but nothing is said about JP Pietersen (Witbank), Willem Alberts (Jo’burg), Stefan Terblanche (Boland), Beast (Zim), Jannie and Bismark (Bethlehem) and Ross Skeate….to mention a few!

  • Comment 77, posted at 31.10.11 10:13:47 by PTALion Reply

     
  • @hendrikp (Comment 69) : Hendrik, sorry man, not sure what you mean? Are you referring to the Sharks’ inability to play the situation, or mine, based on my rant?

  • Comment 78, posted at 31.10.11 10:13:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 75) :

    I see! :smile:

  • Comment 79, posted at 31.10.11 10:14:17 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 74) : no dude when he had a shocker I was the first to say needs to be dropped because it was awful! No excuses at all I’m a big fan but I’m not blind I’m just glad he was givin a shot but he didn’t crab it that’s all on him now

  • Comment 80, posted at 31.10.11 10:15:17 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : I guess we watched different games on Saturday.
    Rhodes has improved all season and was part of a loose trio, along with whiteley, that totally dominated the breakdown (or collisions if you prefer) against the players you refer to. Cilliers did struggle against Beast (as do many other tightheads) but his general play – tackles made and carrying the ball – was outstanding.
    The less said about Hoffman the better – he was poor as he has been consistently since putting on a black and white jersey – IMO Ross Cronje is a far better prospect at 9.
    @hendrikp (Comment 37) :
    I know it is the professional era and players will move but I come from the the time when you played for your province so it still irritates me to see natal schooled players playing against, and beating the sharks!
    I am also not trying to make direct comparisons between backs and forwards but rather to highlight that we have made IMO some very poor and costly purchases and lost players who have come through our systems and have gone on to show that they can play at a higher level.

  • Comment 81, posted at 31.10.11 10:16:42 by steve Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 78) :

    Ah I didn’t read the entire thing. I just saw the game-plan bit, and figured you were being serious about that being the way they should play :lol:

    Too many teams moving away from winning the territory battle and strong defense if you ask me. Sharks need more direction.

    Personally never been a big fan of playing through lots of phases if you’re not camped on the opponents try-line. That’s when the attack becomes unstructured and you concede turn-overs.

  • Comment 82, posted at 31.10.11 10:18:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 80) :

    Fair enough! Well hopefully the move to Johannesburg is a wake-up call for him. :mrgreen:

    Very happy the Lions have managed to sign Bredenhann though. Apparently he had a contract lined up with the Waratahs, but that went out the door when they managed to sign Sarel Pretorius instead. They’ll live to regret that decision!!

  • Comment 83, posted at 31.10.11 10:21:10 by hendrikp Reply

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  • If 80% of any union in SA’s budget is spent on salaries, then 80% of your focus should be in this area.

    Unfortunately we judge a team/players/coaches too quickly and too often on just 80 minutes of rugby. There is much more to this.

    When it comes to contracting the right people the Sharks arguably has the worst person in charge – challenged only by those at WP rugby.

  • Comment 84, posted at 31.10.11 10:23:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 82) : Hendrik, you completely misunderstood me. That is not at all how I want them to play, but how I perceive them as being coached to play – once off runners being asked to breach the advantage line, followed by off-the-cuff play when (or rather if) that happens.

  • Comment 85, posted at 31.10.11 10:23:52 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 76) : And what about “Beeeaaassttttttt”?

  • Comment 86, posted at 31.10.11 10:25:18 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 86) : I use to go to college with him :) very likable guy

  • Comment 87, posted at 31.10.11 10:27:22 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 85) :

    I realize that now!! :mrgreen: I just skim read it.

  • Comment 88, posted at 31.10.11 10:27:38 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 86) : Not a chance after his rumoured move up north earlier this year! ;-)

  • Comment 89, posted at 31.10.11 10:28:30 by Greg Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 87) : Nice one! I really enjoyed the crowd chanting his name on Saturday! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 90, posted at 31.10.11 10:32:59 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 89) : Do you have more info on his plans…do i sense a “Bulls move”?

  • Comment 91, posted at 31.10.11 10:34:42 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 91) : didn’t he mean far north?

  • Comment 92, posted at 31.10.11 10:38:00 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Anneleen (Comment 91) : lol no think lions

  • Comment 93, posted at 31.10.11 10:39:36 by Poisy Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 83) :

    Have you seen him play?

    Have heard good things but yet to see him play over here ..

  • Comment 94, posted at 31.10.11 10:40:15 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 91) : No, he renewed his contract with the Sharks at the beginning of this year. But he was (apparently) on the brink of signing for the Lions at the time. Got to question his loyalty to the brand, which is probably the most important aspect of captaincy when they come to choosing :smile:

  • Comment 95, posted at 31.10.11 10:40:35 by Greg Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 81) : The way the breakdowns were reffed were a joke so hardly that they were dominated! The term ruck has somehow disappeared in the rule book! And Rhodes got a yellow card, which should have been Red if the IRB laws are followed! So hardly an argument for him. As I said Cilliers would mayb make the bench and I think Whitely is a good player but is still learning.

  • Comment 96, posted at 31.10.11 10:47:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 86) : No def not Beast for Captain or any of our front row for that matter!

  • Comment 97, posted at 31.10.11 10:50:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 96) : As i said – we clearly watched different games if you think that Rhodes got a card!
    I could have sworn that was CJ

  • Comment 98, posted at 31.10.11 10:56:52 by steve Reply

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  • @CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! (Comment 94) :

    Saw him at the Junior World Champs. He’s like a more composed version of Jano Vermaak you could say.

  • Comment 99, posted at 31.10.11 10:59:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I agree that it was disheartening to see so many of our ex-Durban boys in red-and-white and relishing the win. Can’t really blame them after all it’s their profession and they’ve put their hearts and souls into the Lions franchise . BUT MAYBE, I sense there was also a little satisfaction at seeing their previous coach (proud and stubborn as he is claimed to be) with a little egg over his face.

  • Comment 100, posted at 31.10.11 11:00:40 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 96) :

    You must be joking ..I suggest you go back and watch the game again ..

    It was CJ that got a yellow card ..for a dubious tackle ..

  • Comment 101, posted at 31.10.11 11:02:12 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 100) : :twisted:

  • Comment 102, posted at 31.10.11 11:02:41 by Charlie Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 99) :

    Sounds promising ..look forward to seeing him in action.

  • Comment 103, posted at 31.10.11 11:03:04 by CSB Win it for Jannie Breedt ! Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 83) : I’ve seen quite a bit of Bredenhann this year and he is definately one to watch. He also still has a lot of developing to do – I think he is still U21 next year. He will face stiff competition from westley Moolman as well next year who will be back in jHb after a season of CC rugby with the Leopards. I also like the Lions U19 scrummie wian vd Watt.

  • Comment 104, posted at 31.10.11 11:04:15 by steve Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 98) : Yeh sorry my bad it Was CJ, just used to it normally being Rhodes. If it was red if you follow the IRB rules, but refs dont seem to these days!

  • Comment 105, posted at 31.10.11 11:19:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) :

    1st u get the player wrong and then u insist it should have been a red card ..it was barely a yellow ..cj brought him down level ..
    are u really implying that the ref on Sat was shite towards the Sharks ..knockon try anyone :roll:

  • Comment 106, posted at 31.10.11 11:23:46 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 106) :

    Had no issues with the yellow card though.

  • Comment 107, posted at 31.10.11 11:25:22 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 106) : He didnt bring him down at all! The law states if u lift a players legs past 90 degrees it has to be yellow and anything past that is Red territory. CJ was about a metre away when Daniel finally landed!

  • Comment 108, posted at 31.10.11 11:32:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 106) : And while we at it yes the ref was shite towards the Sharks! 1st min high tackle missed, again it was CJ. The Lions got away with murder at scrumtime. Funny how they got resets on their ball but the Sharks got penalised on their own ball yest the Sharks scrum always went forwards. And I dont care how much “daylight” a player shows you still cant put ur hands in a ruck! The ref didnt make the Lions win but he did destroy any Sharks momentum.

  • Comment 109, posted at 31.10.11 11:36:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) :

    Seriously ! watch it again ..CJ was still holding onto him when he came down ..he landed on his back ..as I said yellow sure ..but not red ..

  • Comment 110, posted at 31.10.11 11:37:24 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) :

    So the french man should have gotten a red as well for that tip tackle of his in the last 10 min …

    and still .. you scored 0 points in the 10 min CJ was off the field :P

  • Comment 111, posted at 31.10.11 11:39:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 109) :

    hahahaha right ..while i agree that the Sharks had us at scrum time ..CJ grabbed the top of his jersey wasn’t a high tackle..

    Maybe u should look to your Sharks team ..not enough players committed to the breakdown ..every single steal was briliant and legit ..we owned you on the deck ..nothing to do with the ref .

  • Comment 112, posted at 31.10.11 11:41:38 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • Momentum ..you had all the momentum in that game too score ..its sure as hell wasnt the refs fault that u guys couldn’t breach the tryline ..

  • Comment 113, posted at 31.10.11 11:44:16 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 113) :

    te ref even helped them over that try line once ;)

  • Comment 114, posted at 31.10.11 11:49:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 106) : You can see that Mark Lawrence is just not in the same league as Craig Joubert. I thought it was rubbish refereeing, but without bias. If anything the Lions were unlucky after Alberts so obviously knocked on… So yeah, to your point: no good for the Sharks to blame the ref. We should be asking ourselves how we can’t score after 18 phases… :roll:

  • Comment 115, posted at 31.10.11 11:53:16 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 112) : Ball protection in the ruck has been a problem for the Sharks for quite a while now. It obviously comes from the retarded game plan we have in giving it to one big guy to bash it up all the time. Eventually there are no big guys left to protect the ruck!

  • Comment 116, posted at 31.10.11 11:55:47 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 115) :

    Look refs are always gonna get some stick ..i gedit..

    I do feel his assistants were poor and when the game was obviously won Mark seemed to be fine with blowing the Sharks a tad easily ..

    That scrum penalty near the end against Beast was a shocker as the Lions prop on the other side hadput his hands on the deck.

  • Comment 117, posted at 31.10.11 11:57:43 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 93) : The Lions? That is quite a shocker to hear…

  • Comment 118, posted at 31.10.11 12:02:51 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 111) : I agree there is no excuse for not collecting points when your opposition is one man down.

    Let’s see, the penalty was too far for a kick at poles, but then what why not call a scrum: Then the Lions would have had to send on a replacement prop, lose a backline player and then we could have run our backs at them. And possibly had an overlap. I dunno, seems a better way to use a 1 man advantage!

  • Comment 119, posted at 31.10.11 12:06:24 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 112) : agree with that last bit.

  • Comment 120, posted at 31.10.11 12:06:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 95) : Yes, the loyalty factor is huge.
    Is that why Beast “touched down” a few times on Coca Cola Park soil? To feel his new homeground? :twisted:

  • Comment 121, posted at 31.10.11 12:08:13 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 121) : sorry – where is this coming from? Beast is NOT going to the Lions… he’s signed with the Sharks for another 2 years.

  • Comment 122, posted at 31.10.11 12:09:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 109) : Was that the high tackle on Odwa Ndungane?

  • Comment 123, posted at 31.10.11 12:10:17 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 122) : Anneleen was suggesting Beast as a possible candidate for Sharks’ captain. I suggested that his loyalty (or lack of) to the franchise might count against him there since he was apparently very close to leaving this year.

  • Comment 124, posted at 31.10.11 12:12:55 by Greg Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : Dude seriously! Watch it again. CJ picked him up and dropped him flat on his back. The assistant ref told Mark that CJ picked Keegan up and dropped him on his head. He said it should be a penalty and a yellow card. Which wasn’t even the case because Keegan didn’t fall on his head. Yellow card was fine there really! Now stop looking for excuses and admit your team were beaten by a better team!

  • Comment 125, posted at 31.10.11 12:14:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 112) : Not a chance they were all legit. The ref looks for ‘daylight’ and then if he sees that he then allows the tackler to play the ball. So yes if you just look at that then yes the steal is legitimate…BUT and most people have forgotten this BUT…you cannot use your hands in a ruck! If there are 2 players there it doesnt matter how much daylight u show u still cant play the ball with your hands. The way the breakdown is being reffed will result in teams kicking the ball more as its more advantageous to not have the ball.

  • Comment 126, posted at 31.10.11 12:15:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 117) : By then we were dead and buried. Also Beast had made himself a marked man. Can’t help thinking that we’ve seen the best of this big man. Hope I’m proven wrong and he gets a nice rest over Christmas and comes out firing in 2012.
    For me the turning point of the game was Terblanche missing a schoolboy dummy from Doppies. Up till then we were a few penalty kicks behind. That score took the game away from us. Man, I get mad about Terblanche starting every game ahead of Jacobs or an under21 youngster. That guy should have been watching rugby from the couch two seasons ago already! You don’t see John Mitchell still persisting with Carlos Spencer, do you?

  • Comment 127, posted at 31.10.11 12:16:02 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 125) : I said it previously im not blaming the ref for the loss, and its not even that im having a go at Lawrence in particular! Its just a trend of reffing thats coming into the game at the breakdown and scrums that is not beneficial for the game. The Lions won because they kicked their penalties and forced the Sharks to try play high risk catch up rugby which led to soft tries. But the Sharks had the possession,territory and scrum dominance. Yes we didnt take our chances but the penalty count should nto be greatly in favour of the team without possession. But thats just my opinion

  • Comment 128, posted at 31.10.11 12:20:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) :

    Dear me ..if u have pvr’d the game go and watch it again ..did u watch the game live ..?

    I hear what u sauing but your guys were not cleaning out rucks as they should have ..

    The 2 steals by Minnie and one by Hollenbach were text book . The tckler was competeing for the ball AFTER daylight before the arriving players too clean the ruck out and get good clean ball ..
    Keegan was shown up badly and frankly the Sharks lacked a a presence competing for the ball.

    Thought Bismark would step up here but from memory he stole one ball off the deck.I do however agree with you that that area of the game is a grey area.

  • Comment 129, posted at 31.10.11 12:24:29 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • It will be interesting to discover what direction refs take in regard to the breakdown next year, in light of the reported IRB talks that have taken place in NZ recently. Is rugby the only sport in the world that struggles to refine its laws this way?

  • Comment 130, posted at 31.10.11 12:29:38 by Greg Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 127) :

    That was a touch rugby type dummy ..poor defence.

    Iv been reading on sites questioning Beast and his future and frankly find this hilarious ..sure he had an average game but he is still one of the best in SA.
    Long may his Shark and Bok rugby continue.

    I agree with you a good rest will do wonders for him imho.

    Also funny that it has not been mentioned other than Alberts I felt the returning boks looked flat ..perhaps it was just a season too long for them..

  • Comment 131, posted at 31.10.11 12:29:43 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 130) :

    It seems that way to me ..also big scrum law changes in the pipeline too. This constant uneasyness and changes of laws don’t help the players and coaches. And frustartes the fans to no end ..

  • Comment 132, posted at 31.10.11 12:31:36 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 131) : No question about Beast’s value from me! it’s only as a possible captain that I don’t see any future for him. Totally agree with the Boks being played out after a very long season for them: when you are on the losing side it’s difficult to avoid the ‘excuses’ label. Objectively though, this was one game too many for most of the guys IMHO.

  • Comment 133, posted at 31.10.11 12:34:27 by Greg Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 129) : Yes i watched it live, well on TV. And i know what u mean by the players showing daylight and going for the ball. But this is my biggest gripe, the player shows daylight and just puts his hands near the ball that the tackled player is trying to rightfully place. The tackler has a second at most to make the steal before another player arrives. Once that other player arrives the tackler cannot keep trying to steal the ball as it is now a ruck. The refs are allowing the player to keep trying with his hands which should be a penalty for using his hands in a ruck. As i said im not singling out the game on Sat as I believe its been happening all year, but it was just the last game of the year so using it as an example. For the sake of Sharks and Lions rugby the result is probably the best as it means the Sharks will ,hopefully, finally take stock of what it going wrong and it gives the Lions union much needed confidence ahead of Super rugby. New Zealand winning RWC was the best for the game as it shows that playing attacking rugby wins games, I would just hate if the way the breakdown is reffed results in more kicking!

  • Comment 134, posted at 31.10.11 12:39:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Lawrence was crap with a capital C.
    And that goes for both teams.
    The worst thing that could have happened to the Sharks was awarding that try because after that he was in compensation mode to try an remedy his inadequacies.
    Its good that he has given up reffing internationally.

  • Comment 135, posted at 31.10.11 12:44:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 134) :

    Yip iv seen that ..fine line and not policed properly.

    You guys shouldn’t be down about your team at all ..youngsters got you a semi spot and then played 2 knock-out games with returning Boks which imo were at the very end of a long year. Also the synergy in the team was lacking and that comes from being thrown together quickly.

  • Comment 136, posted at 31.10.11 12:45:27 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 136) : AND it was an away final too! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 137, posted at 31.10.11 12:49:42 by Greg Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 136) : Yeh look I dont think the Sharks played badly but that the Lions, for the 1st time in a long time actually took the chances that came their way. If we look at the game from a neutral perspective though it was quite crap…numerous turnovers and penalties and some pretty average defending and atatcking decisions at times. I just think that maybe we should just concentrate on the scoreline and not the standard of play cos it was pretty average!

  • Comment 138, posted at 31.10.11 12:52:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 122) : That is what i want to hear…because to lose Beast to any other team now, would make me quite unhappy.

  • Comment 139, posted at 31.10.11 12:53:17 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 124) : Seems like we have unearthed a “beastly topic”! :shock:

  • Comment 140, posted at 31.10.11 12:54:30 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 138) :

    Well hope u’ll forgive but I watched an exciting game of rugby :mrgreen:

    And neutrals would agree ..

  • Comment 141, posted at 31.10.11 12:58:39 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 141) : Getting the trophy and seeing fireworks doesnt count as part of the game hey ;)

  • Comment 142, posted at 31.10.11 13:09:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Anneleen (Comment 139) : but there is no truth to this… it strikes me that you are trying to CREATE a rumour when none exists :)

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 142) :

    Winners R Grinners :grin:

  • Comment 144, posted at 31.10.11 13:16:09 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 144) : I know your team wasnt playing but did u watch the u21 prize giving and see the lopsided trophy?? And was that the 1st trophy John Mitchell has won?? The Hawera Cup not counting obviously

  • Comment 145, posted at 31.10.11 13:28:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 143) : :twisted: just my “creative” side coming to the forth on this Monday… :mrgreen: Now i will just have to wait for the S15 in 2012 to see what the Sharks dish up…but i am sure we are in for one serious rollercoaster ride!

  • Comment 146, posted at 31.10.11 13:29:52 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) :

    The u19 and u21 cups looked cheap ..

    Well he pulled off a Grand-slam a couple of Tri-Nations trophies.

    What propelled him was taking a out of sorts Waikato development team and winning in his 1st year in charge ..

  • Comment 147, posted at 31.10.11 13:34:10 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 147) : Shot for the info…i knew the teams he coached just didnt know how they fared. It honestly looked like the u21 cup was dropped and broken! I missed seeing the u19 one.

  • Comment 148, posted at 31.10.11 13:42:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 148) :

    As AB coach he was wildly critized for not having a dominant pack and ultimatly paid the price in the 03 semi loss to Aus.
    Its intresting too note that many of the players Henry had in his squad were unearthed by Mitchell.

    Was not an easy person to deal with especially with the media ..but he has worked on that and has grown not only as a coach but also a person.

  • Comment 149, posted at 31.10.11 13:47:30 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 149) : Well he doesnt really have a dominant pack with the Lions. But let me explain that. The pack he has are not gonna win tightheads or pick and drive all day or maul over from a lineout on the 22m line. What his pack does have, and u can look from 1-8, is speed…and that was the difference on Sat! So does a side really need the big slow forwards to win…

  • Comment 150, posted at 31.10.11 14:03:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) :

    The gameplan allows for it a ‘light’ pack if u like ..play away from the collisions and passes out of the tackle ..but we’ll have to beef up if we wanna be taken seriously ..

  • Comment 151, posted at 31.10.11 14:21:22 by CoffeeshopBok ;-) Reply

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  • @CoffeeshopBok ;-) (Comment 151) : I cant see the pack beefing up much without taking away the current frontline players that are doing well. Same as the Sharks trying to introduce speed without leaving out the current big names.

  • Comment 152, posted at 31.10.11 14:48:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : I hear you. But we sure as hell did not make any progress going from Brad and Waylon – to Stef and Marius.
    Alwyn was to the Lions this season what Dries was to us last season. Freaken Brilliant!
    Wonder if the Lions will let him go :?: hmmmm….

  • Comment 153, posted at 31.10.11 16:58:41 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Dunno if the lions will beat a cheetah (sr )team with only two boks back- brussow an juan smith.think the sharks might actually struggle against a cheetah team containing both brussow and smith in run on 15.

  • Comment 154, posted at 31.10.11 18:22:37 by bergshark Reply

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  • I thought this was going to be about soul-searching, not coach slamming. Dudes. You just can’t blame it all on the coaches. They are the same guys who won us the cup last year. And got us to the final this year in spite of us playing like blindfolded chickens on a regular basis.

  • Comment 155, posted at 31.10.11 19:05:18 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Okay..let’s keep the coaches and get rid of the players?….

  • Comment 156, posted at 31.10.11 19:21:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • Has lambie signed with weepee?????

  • Comment 157, posted at 31.10.11 19:26:42 by bergshark Reply

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  • We need a backline coach……

  • Comment 158, posted at 31.10.11 19:33:18 by bergshark Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 153) :

    The story is he rejected an offer from the Sharks and resigned with the Lions …

  • Comment 159, posted at 01.11.11 07:46:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : tri-nations. In one year he put 52 points against against the Boks in Pretoria and 50 points against Australia.

  • Comment 160, posted at 01.11.11 09:31:29 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • It was also very hard for me seeing all my beloved Sharkies playing in the white and red. I’ve been a fan of Patric since 2007 and I saw great potention in him and I was really sad when he left. But it looks like all of the ex’s just slotted in perfectly with the Lions. I guess the true Lions’ supporters felt the same why when Louis Ludik and Willem Alberts joined the Sharks.

    I wondered on Saturday where all the Lions’ supporters came from, the staduim is always so empty and I know from experience that there’s not so many die heart fan (my hubby being one). Before the game we went for a drive around town with our 2 red and 2 black flags…and what happened afterward, I had to watch my over extatic husband drive throught town again, only this time with the Lions flag…talk about abuse of a Sharks supporter ;-)

  • Comment 161, posted at 01.11.11 12:06:10 by Nita Reply

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