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Time for the prodigal son to return?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, WP on 2 Nov 2011 at 13:02
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The papers are today abuzz with talk about the future of the Bok coaching job, with the Cape press having uncovered a source prepared to reveal that Allister Coetzee is the frontrunner for the job, with Rassie Erasmus also lined up for a senior role with SARU.

The potential exodus of two of their most senior coaching staff will, according to the report, open the door for current Bok forwards coach, Gary Gold, to return to Western Province in a role similar to the one that Erasmus currently holds. Major reshuffles on the cards, it would seem and again bear in mind that this is all really just speculation at this stage.

Gold is not the only Bok assistant coach likely to lose his position in the national hierarchy, though…. Am I alone in wondering what Dick Muir will do with his time now that his tenure at national level appears to be coming to an end?

One thing that’s for sure is that he won’t be heading back to the Lions. Muir’s stint as Director of Rugby (and Super Rugby head coach) up in the City of Gold could hardly be described as a roaring success, with John Mithcell taking over all of his real duties after just 6 months and an acrimonious legal battle apparently under way to wind up the arrangement.

Now I realise that there’s a hell of a lot that would need to be sorted out in order for this to happen, but am I the only one who would not be completely averse to the idea of Muir returning to the Sharks in some capacity? It strikes me that we have a real disjoint between our junior and senior rugby structures at the moment and with his proven record of identifying and nurturing junior talent, there must surely be something sensible that Muir could be doing to improve matters for the Sharks? This is aside from the very basic argument that the last time we had a backline that actually looked like anything was when Muir was running the show…

What do you think? Crazy idea, or could there be some merit?



118 Comments

  • Anything to get the backline going! If that is what it is going to take, then so be it… If only we could see into the future?

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.11.11 13:11:56 by SharksRTB Reply
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  • Muir is more than welcome to come back if you ask me.

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.11.11 13:13:43 by Uli Reply
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  • Problem is, how do we fit him into the current structures and how will he get on with the current personalities?

    Strong rumours at the time he left that he and Rodulf were not seeing eye to eye…

  • Comment 3, posted at 02.11.11 13:15:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Damn! Here I thought u were talking about Frans Steyn!! :lol:

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.11.11 13:16:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : That is why I don’t see it happening. I would happily be wrong though.

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.11.11 13:16:42 by war1 Reply
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  • If Mr Muir can give the backline a makeover, he has my vote.

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.11.11 13:25:46 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Well give him oom rudi’s job, I am sure he will contract more telling personnel to the Sharks setup.

    @Ice (Comment 4) : I am sure Rob would refrain from posting that article :) hehe

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.11.11 13:30:17 by Uli Reply
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  • The last time the Sharks backline were really on fire, was under Muir’s coaching…

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.11.11 13:32:02 by Charlie Reply

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  • Replace Rudolf with Muir! As easy as that! :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.11.11 13:32:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 7) : Snap!

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.11.11 13:33:56 by Ben Reply
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  • Not so sure about this. The Bok backline hasn’t exactly been on fire the last 4 years? :roll:

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.11.11 13:34:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 9) : You reckon Rudolf’s buddies would do that?

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.11.11 13:34:13 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 12) : Which buddies are you referring to?

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.11.11 13:42:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : Surely that is because of the 10 man rugby that the previous coach thought was the way to play.

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.11.11 13:43:07 by durbsguy Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 13) : The ones that gave him the job in the first place.

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.11.11 13:50:06 by war1 Reply
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  • Dick to take over from Rudolf, and Rudolf to be in charge of conditioning and fitness at the union. It’s easy to associate Dolf only with Kamp Kaaldraad and our disastrous player procurement program, but remember that as coach he took a (largely no-name at the time) Sharks team that was languishing around the bottom of the Superrugby table to two Currie Cup and one Superrugby finals. All this within his first 6 months, largely by focusing on fitness and discipline, rather than being friends with the players.

    Just trying out some out-of-the-box thinking here…

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.11.11 13:55:23 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I think people have short memories…Muir didnt exactly get our backline going…he just picked attacking and creative players! The Bok backline hasnt exactly been running slick efficient moves now have they? So if he did come back (unlikely) i would shunt him to work with the junior sides so that he can get fresh ideas from the youngsters…yes coaches do need refreshing too! If i look at the work Shaun Erasmus has done with the Glenwood and Collegians backline…would he be a bad option? He is already on the payroll

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.11.11 13:55:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Stark raving mad imo. I would not have Dick closer than a thousand kilometers from ANY coaching job, let alone the Sharks. :roll: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.11.11 14:08:31 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 18) : Agreed. Not coaching. But I do think he has an eye for spotting youthful talent. His job should be behind the scenes, not on the pitch.

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.11.11 14:11:27 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 16) : largely by focusing on fitness and discipline, rather than being friends with the players.…. hey, isn’t that what John Mitchell did with the Lions?

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.11.11 14:14:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Where’s the “light going on above John Plumtree’s head” button?

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.11.11 14:16:44 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 4) : same thoughts I had ;)

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.11.11 14:20:54 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 21) : that button is broken…

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.11.11 14:32:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • All I know is that I want Dolf far away from the Sharks recruitment policies and that something needs to be done about our backline.

    Also, I think its time the Sharks look further into replacing Bashford and HRE. We have been average as they come at the back for a while now.

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.11.11 14:36:09 by John Galt Reply

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  • I would prefer some new blood at the Sharks and perhaps even look outside of SA.

    I still think Brendon Venter would be great but I doubt it would happen.

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.11.11 14:39:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 4) : I thought he was going to mention the lovechild. :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.11.11 14:39:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) : hahahahahaha!!!!! Dick was the last thing on my mind when I saw the heading!

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.11.11 14:53:42 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 27) : :shock:

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.11.11 14:54:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 8) : Spot on and Muir was NOT shy to go look for youngsters at the clubs, JPP is a case in point.

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.11.11 14:58:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • the sharks need a young up and coming coach who has got new ideas for the game plan and not the old call back the past rugby brain as the sharks found themselves playing this year.

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.11.11 14:58:26 by pete69 Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 27) : :shock: :shock: :oops:

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.11.11 14:59:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : MUIR!!!! Jinne. :blush:

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.11.11 15:02:22 by Ice Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 24) :Why Sean Everitt is still not involved is beyond me, he was an awesome center with a great step in his day. HE should be our backline coach.

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.11.11 15:04:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 32) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.11.11 15:04:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 33) : Agreed

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.11.11 15:04:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 32) : Jy will MEER he?!?!?!?! :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.11.11 15:08:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 25) : NOOOOO00000oooooo!!! not Venter PLEASE!!!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.11.11 15:10:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.11.11 15:12:28 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.11.11 15:13:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Any fresh ideas, as opposed to the simple, repetitive style of rugby advocated by Dolfie and Plumtree would be a great improvement.

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.11.11 15:13:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.11.11 15:14:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I’d agree with the others who made the same point – please keep Dick away from our backline! He sounds like a decent talent scout though, going on what others have said.

    Addressing a another point in the article: I read in some Q/A or press release that AC wants to win silverware with WP before moving on? He didn’t seem very interested in the Bok job during that interview

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.11.11 15:16:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) :

    Are you back in SA yet? Did you get to see the final?

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.11.11 15:16:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) : He’d certainly liven up post-match interviews and press releases :grin:

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.11.11 15:18:03 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : Talking of Dick, how was San Francisco? :twisted:

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.11.11 15:19:00 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 42) : Wasn’t that interview before the CC semi-final? I think Coetzee thought this was his year. :razz:

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.11.11 15:20:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 45) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.11.11 15:20:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 45) : From the SA Capital to the World Capital. :shock: BF knows where to hang out. :razz: :wink:

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.11.11 15:23:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 46) : You may be right come to think of it.

    It may end up being a looooong stay at WP :twisted:

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.11.11 15:24:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) :

    :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.11.11 15:25:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 45) : :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.11.11 15:25:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 45) : I wonder if he wore flowers in his hair. Fish?

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.11.11 15:26:56 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 27) : Dick was the last thing on my mind whistles…

  • Comment 53, posted at 02.11.11 15:27:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.11.11 15:27:52 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Oh man, you comedians are sooo funny! :evil: :lol:

    Still in the US – only leaving on Sunday, so thankfully was spared watching another Sharks choke.

    Spending all of Saturday working the streets of San Frabcisco – and no, there won’t be flowers in my admittedly thin hair, nor will I be wearing tie-dies, sandals or any other items from wpw’as wardrobe. :wink:

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.11.11 15:31:16 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 27) : ok, too much info there :shock:

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.11.11 15:35:03 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 55) : But if you want to wear flowers in your hair you can rent a wig, and an outfit, from villagepeople . com.

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.11.11 15:35:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 57) : :lol:

  • Comment 58, posted at 02.11.11 15:41:18 by Franshark Reply
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  • ‘Spending all of Saturday working the streets of San Frabcisco’

    You need money that desperately? :roll:

    Maybe we can collect some money for you for a plane ticket home. :twisted:

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.11.11 15:41:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Eish! I am going into hiding for a while…. :lol:

  • Comment 60, posted at 02.11.11 15:41:56 by Ice Reply
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  • Ok its official: Comedy hour between 3 and 4 ;)

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.11.11 15:42:11 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 61) : Comedy? Having Big Fish working as a rentboy is hardly a laughing matter… :lol:

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.11.11 15:45:54 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 60) :

    You created this monster!

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.11.11 15:46:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 59) : Maybe we can trade; send over two Province supporters in exchange for getting BF back… :lol:

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.11.11 15:47:14 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) : Any specific 2?

  • Comment 65, posted at 02.11.11 15:49:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) :

    Good idea. Brokeback mountaineer Province supporters are a dime a dozen.

  • Comment 66, posted at 02.11.11 15:50:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 02.11.11 15:51:19 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 60) : Think before you Submit Ice! :lol:

  • Comment 68, posted at 02.11.11 15:53:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 65) :
    definitely Wes :twisted:

    Who else?

  • Comment 69, posted at 02.11.11 15:53:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 65) : Going to be hard to whittle it down to only 2; there’s bound to be tons of volunteers :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 02.11.11 15:53:32 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 69) :

    And Claytie off coarse with his ‘ready made’ Barbie outfit. :twisted: ;-)

  • Comment 71, posted at 02.11.11 15:54:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 69) : Morne for getting his bloody jinx wrong!!!

  • Comment 72, posted at 02.11.11 15:56:07 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 72) :

    Sounds good to me!

  • Comment 73, posted at 02.11.11 15:57:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 63) : PLEASE!!! No photos of the monster. :lol:

  • Comment 74, posted at 02.11.11 15:59:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 71) : :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 75, posted at 02.11.11 16:00:31 by Charlie Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 74) : ;-)

  • Comment 76, posted at 02.11.11 16:03:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I turn my back for just a few minutes… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.11.11 16:03:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) :

    Sorry Boss. Ice started it! :oops:

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.11.11 16:05:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : This is not the thread to turn your back on.

  • Comment 79, posted at 02.11.11 16:06:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Comment of the day!

  • Comment 80, posted at 02.11.11 16:07:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Yes, YES, YES and Finally YESSSS :twisted:

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.11.11 16:12:35 by dawj Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) : Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 82, posted at 02.11.11 16:15:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @dawj (Comment 81) : Okay I don’t know you well enough to run with that comment so I’ll just leave it at that. :)

  • Comment 83, posted at 02.11.11 16:16:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 83) :

    I was also wondering where that one is headed! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.11.11 16:17:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @ Comments 81 and 83:

    Just to clarify; i want Dick in (no pun intended) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 85, posted at 02.11.11 16:21:52 by dawj Reply

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  • @dawj (Comment 85) : Given the current mood on the site that is the BRAVEST comment of the day. :lol:

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.11.11 16:27:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 86) : well said…

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.11.11 16:50:51 by Franshark Reply
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  • Please don’t tell any Bulls whats going on here, we’ll have Steve and Joost on us soon ;)

  • Comment 88, posted at 02.11.11 16:52:36 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 88) : :)

  • Comment 89, posted at 02.11.11 17:05:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • No Dick Muir.

  • Comment 90, posted at 02.11.11 17:54:02 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 90) : Very Safe post that. :wink:

  • Comment 91, posted at 02.11.11 18:33:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • when will the new bok coach be assaign?

  • Comment 92, posted at 02.11.11 19:02:09 by sharktooth Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 27) :

    Bless me father for i have sinned .. its been … o dam im not catholic …. :lol:

  • Comment 93, posted at 02.11.11 21:47:41 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Dick and Campese together again could work :idea:

  • Comment 94, posted at 02.11.11 21:56:07 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @sharktooth (Comment 92) :

    technically the old one is still coach ….

  • Comment 95, posted at 02.11.11 22:01:13 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 91) : :lol:

  • Comment 96, posted at 02.11.11 23:18:19 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • What about Deon Kayser for specialist backline coach? He was involved, not sure in what capacity, a while ago…

  • Comment 97, posted at 03.11.11 07:46:36 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 97) : He is busy getting his coaching levels at the moment and is nearly there so I think there is a plan for him…well hopefully. Kayser, Shaun Everitt and Shaun Erasmus should hopefully move up the ranks soon…

  • Comment 98, posted at 03.11.11 08:19:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 4) : *tears*..me too! Def dont think Dick should be coaching we need David Campese back.

  • Comment 99, posted at 03.11.11 08:32:44 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 99) : you gonna become a Cheetahs supporter when Steyn returns? :)

  • Comment 100, posted at 03.11.11 08:39:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : Van Zyl,Goosen,Steyn and Ebersohn…not bad hey….

  • Comment 101, posted at 03.11.11 08:48:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) : I know its late but you deserve a high five for that post.

  • Comment 102, posted at 03.11.11 09:00:21 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 102) :

    Where are the pics from the Barbie party? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 03.11.11 09:04:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 100) : My heart will always be Black and White….but I may have to be a closet supporter :cool:

  • Comment 104, posted at 03.11.11 09:14:01 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) : :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 79) : You’ve just forced me to add a new category to the Sharksworld Award nominations – blogger of the year! Classic!

  • Comment 106, posted at 03.11.11 09:19:14 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 102) : :cool:

  • Comment 107, posted at 03.11.11 09:19:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 103) : I managed to make it to Mornes place and instead had a brandy party.

    Was nice spending some time in high society :twisted:

  • Comment 108, posted at 03.11.11 09:35:38 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 108) :

    Damn. I was looking forward to seeing what you look like in pink! :sad: ;-)

  • Comment 109, posted at 03.11.11 09:40:55 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 108) : high society and being high is not the same thing. :)

  • Comment 110, posted at 03.11.11 09:43:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 110) : :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 111, posted at 03.11.11 09:45:03 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 109) : That comment bothers me.

  • Comment 112, posted at 03.11.11 09:46:15 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 112) : No need to worry, Pokkel’s not gay. I have some concerns over his boyfriend though… :twisted:

  • Comment 113, posted at 03.11.11 09:51:04 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 27) : I am sure po-Cock is still in Dicks mind and would probably need a break ;)

  • Comment 114, posted at 03.11.11 09:58:06 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 112) :

    Bwahahahaha….making you nervous am I :twisted:

  • Comment 115, posted at 03.11.11 10:11:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • From Dicks, to Darlings, Daisies and Birds…my,my, who said rugby was boring!!!

  • Comment 116, posted at 03.11.11 10:26:12 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 116) : aai meraai :shock: lol

  • Comment 117, posted at 03.11.11 11:02:35 by Uli Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 116) : seriously, though…. who said that? I’ll beat them…

  • Comment 118, posted at 03.11.11 11:27:36 by robdylan Reply
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