Shaz

Aurevoir, Fred?


Written by Sharon van Wyk (Shaz)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 5 Nov 2011 at 11:00
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The various media reports of late that a certain French flyhalf is longing for his homeland and the chance to play for Les Bleus once more have had me chewing the cud over the last couple of days… Monsieur Michalak, it would seem, is keen to return to the land of his birth as soon as his current contract with the Sharks has expired at the end of SupeRugby 2012.

Chief among the pieces of said cud I have been masticating on is what possible benefit there is to the Sharks in keeping Michalak on for SupeRugby if he really is so set on returning to France. Especially if keeping him on is detrimental to the development and settling of, um, certain other players.

Lesser mouthfuls I have been contending with in this respect include the prospect of watching Fred give an outstanding performance for the Sharks in the SupeRugby season, helping us get to the playoffs and then leaving us with, um, certain other players who have not had the opportunity to make their mark on the No 10 jersey for far too long to pick up the pieces in time for the Currie Cup campaign.

Then there’s the prospect of watching Fred give a mediocre and rather inconsistent performance during the SupeRugby season, preventing, um, certain other players from once more proving their worth at pivot, the Sharks not making the playoffs and then bidding Fred adieu, leaving us to pick up the pieces in time for the Currie Cup campaign.

Of course, a very chewy piece of cud is the prospect of Fred warming the bench for the SupeRugby campaign, or playing at scrumhalf, letting, um, certain other players pick up the flyhalf post once more, us making the playoffs, winning the trophy and then saying “Merci Monsieur Michalak” as we wave him goodbye at OR Tambo before going back home to win the Currie Cup again.

(Now then… Let me see… Which piece of cud do I really like chewing on the most? :roll: )

But of course, there’s a bit of gristle in amongst all that chewy stuff that’s really giving my molars a run for their money… It’s the prospect of playing someone in such a pivotal (pardon the pun) position who perhaps doesn’t really want to be there, but is fulfilling the terms of his contract, wishing he was back in Europe making an impression on Saint-Andre et al.

And that, my friends, is a piece of gristle that the Sharks could potentially choke on.

As we wave goodbye to a few stalwarts and a fair few fringe players, we have to consider the fact that as brilliant as Fred can be, and has been, if he has no real intention of staying he is effectively holding back the development and gelling of a TEAM. A TEAM which could potentially go all the way in both SupeRugby and the Currie Cup, in the same year.

In my humble opinion, if there’s something the Sharks need desperately now it’s to find a team formula that works and stick with it and stop this business of musical chairs. We can’t do that if a crucial part of that team is going to be leaving halfway through the year.
Time for some tough love, methinks.
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66 Comments

  • Well said.

    And IF he does leave now then we still have Lambie and Viljoen who did rather well for the griquas who can play flyhalf.

    and there is a flyhalf name I’m missing, not sure who. NO it’s not JLP. I’m CHOOSING to miss his name.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.11.11 11:08:39 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • a bit of mixing of metaphors here… last time I checked, cud doesn’t contain gristle :)

    Can’t fault your argument though, Shaz…

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.11.11 11:19:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yes time for the Frog to move to the bench permanently and a young up and coming Sharks player to start filling the flyhalf shoes on a more consistent basis.

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.11.11 11:21:44 by Predawn Reply

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  • If he’s willing to sit on the bench and offer his services as a super-sub, then that’s just grand – but you’ve hit the nail on the head here.

    I am waiting with eager anticipation the signing of an established Number 4 Lock and a premier Scrumhalf. We never seem to have the complete team. If we have an abundance of Scrumhalves and Centres, we have a dearth of Flyhalves. When we finally have depth at 10 it turns out we have too much depth in that position (poor JLP) and we lose all our No.4 Locks and Scrumhalves.

    On an unrelated note, how long is Gerhard Mostert’s contract in France set to last?

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.11.11 11:26:48 by MerckZ Reply

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  • Sorry to be a bit pedantic but King Shaka airport is closer than the other one….unless there are no flights to Paris from Durban :oops:

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.11.11 11:30:29 by Predawn Reply

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  • @MerckZ:think it is 2 or 3 seasons :-(

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.11.11 11:31:58 by bergshark Reply

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  • Jlp at centre? Can’t understand why he wasn’t given a prolonged run at either 12 or 13?
    He still has 2 years left on his contract.

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.11.11 11:34:32 by bergshark Reply

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  • 2012 Sharks

    1.Mtawarira
    2.du Plessis
    3.du Plessis
    4.Deysel
    5.Hargreaves
    6.Daniel
    7.Alberts
    8.Kankowski
    9.McLeod
    10.Lambie
    11.Mvovo
    12.Bosman
    13.Joubert
    14.Pietersen
    15.Ludik/Viljoen

    16.Burden
    17.van Staden
    18.Skeate
    19.Botes
    20.Hoffman
    21.Whitehead/Jacobs
    22.Ndungane

    Any glaring weaknesses there, apart from the ad hoc nature of Deysel at 4? With Cronje gone, who in the u21 team is looking most promising at 9? I haven’t seen much of Reinach, should he be 3rd in the pecking order?

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.11.11 11:46:37 by MerckZ Reply

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  • The only weakness The Sharks have is at backline coach.

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.11.11 11:47:52 by Predawn Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 7) : Do you think he’ll stick around for the remainder of his contract? I wouldn’t blame him if he just said “screw it” and left for a pay cheque in France or England.

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.11.11 11:50:24 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @MerckZ: it is unfortunate for the player ( jlp ) that when he was called on to play a starting role for the sharks,it seemed to coincide with a huge dip in kicking form.

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.11.11 12:04:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Predawn: re : backline coach is needed asap. But who?
    I’d actually like to see gregan at the tank – didn’t know he was available till I read he is joining jake white at the brumbies for next season.
    Asked hertford highlander how he rates gordon tietjens as a coach in the 15s game?
    What’s mark ella doing these days?

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.11.11 12:08:57 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 12) :

    Boet I was thinking of pulling in Sean Everitt from The Sharks second team to coach the backs.

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.11.11 12:10:45 by Predawn Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 8) : No glaring weaknesses but a glaring ommission of Marcell Coetzee.

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.11.11 12:13:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Predawn (Comment 13) : Good choice.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.11.11 12:15:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Predawn: well ,since we need a backline coach,why don’t we just go for the best? ( Let the sharks make a short list of the “best” available backline coaches out there and see who they can get and who impresses them during the interviews).

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.11.11 12:16:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • Found this interesting article on the Sunday Times Website.

    “Two weeks ago, at the beginning of the Sharks’ Currie Cup semifinal against the Cheetahs, a friend had one of those “you heard it here first” moments when he caught sight of the Free State side’s young flyhalf Johan Goosen.

    “That’s the next Springbok flyhalf,” he declared.

    As predictions go, it was a pretty safe one to make.

    The 19-year-old is a complete flyhalf whose right boot is gaining a massive following on YouTube, thanks to a 67m kick he nailed while at Grey College.

    Two of his biggest fans also happen to be Os du Randt and Chester Williams, men who know their rugby.

    But one has to ask: what have Pat Lambie and Elton Jantjies done to deserve being relegated on the Bok pecking order behind a youngster with a handful of Currie Cup games?

    Lambie has played 10 games for the Boks, four of which were at a World Cup, and both have just about single-handedly won a Currie Cup by 21.

    The question we should be asking is, which of those two should be the Bok flyhalf next year?

    Their backgrounds may be different, but two more similar career trajectories one could not find.

    Born two months apart (Jantjies is older), they both delivered man of the match performances in their first Currie Cup finals, falling just short of Derick Hougaard’s points record of 26 – a suggestion of BMT. But as flyhalves they couldn’t be more different.

    Jantjies has a bigger bag of tricks than Lambie’s, with his quick hands and a greater range of pass.

    Lambie has the most sought-after gift in test rugby, the ability to do the right thing at the right time, and correctly.

    Jantjies is the better kicker, but Lambie is arguably the better footballer, as evidenced by how at home he looks at inside centre and fullback.

    The Lions man is quicker off the mark than the Sharks man, but Lambie sums up the situation so quickly he does not need fleetness of foot to make him a threat.

    Many might have reservations about Jantjies’ Carlos Spencer chip kicks with the outside of his boot, but that kind of skill unlocks tight matches.

    But the argument in favour of Lambie is that the more tense the situation, the more the basics become important.

    The South African under-20 coaching staff dodged making a decision between the two by playing Jantjies at flyhalf and Lambie at fullback last year.

    But despite having all the requisite skills for fullback, Lambie lacks the one thing that could make him a threat at international level – the express pace of Kurtley Beale and Israel Dagg.

    And with Gio Aplon, Frans Steyn and even Jaco Taute in the reckoning, he will find it tough to make the team there anyway.

    It’s a situation that reminds one of a similar battle between Joel Stransky and Hennie le Roux in the mid-1990s.

    Kitch Christie’s solution was to play them alongside each other.

    But with the emphasis on a behemoth at inside centre in the modern game, one can’t imagine the stocky but slight Lambie and Jantjies playing alongside each other.

    One will probably have to bench for the other, but how they fare in next year’s Super rugby season, and the new Bok coach’s preference, will ultimately decide.

    I’m glad I don’t have to decide, but it’s a great situation for the new Bok coach to be in”

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.11.11 12:20:28 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho: don’t you think an a skills coach worth his name can’t teach lambie the outside of the boot chip kick or the fast hands or improve his passing?

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.11.11 12:28:11 by bergshark Reply

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  • Jantjes has also been running the show at 10 for almost 2 iuninterrupted seasons and he has enjoyed the benefit of being coached by mitchell(ex allblack coach) and carlos spencer.

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.11.11 12:31:14 by bergshark Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) :

    He’s an old class mate too :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.11.11 12:36:56 by Predawn Reply

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  • Lievremont is out the door (thank goodness) Philippe Saint-André is the new French coach. Perhaps Michalak will have a chance again because Lievremont effectively closed the door on him. That said, I would much prefer to see Lambie wearing the 10 jersey during the SupeRugby campaign.

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.11.11 12:37:57 by lostfish Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 18) : Or an experienced mentor aka Freddie. I am all for Lambie playing Flyhalf, but his direct opponent to the Springbok 10 Jersey has two star Flyhalf’s of the past in Butch and Carlos that is sure to help Lambies competitor.

    As a young up coming player having that kind of experience will surely rub of on your playing abilities.

    I like your suggestion of a Skills coach, although one hopes in earnest that the Sharks will be open minded to adopt this idea. At the moment we probably have the most prehistoric coaching structure in the Country, and even the Cheetahs look to have a more professional outlook to its structures.

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.11.11 12:39:42 by Mocho Reply

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  • @MerckZ:the bosman / joubert centre combo didn’t impress much this cc season
    Plumtree still mentioned louis ludik as a possibility at 13 before the start of the 2010 superrugbt season.dunno why he never tried it?

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.11.11 12:39:54 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Predawn (Comment 20) : I played Rugby with him at Pinetown, nice guy and his coaching success speaks for itself.

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.11.11 12:43:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 8) : My overall assessment of our Sharks u21 team is that they have a number of brilliant individuals who are capable of producing moments of shear brilliance that calls attention to their specialness as talented individuals, however when it comes to team brilliance they don’t quite shine as brightly as they should. Jacobus Reinach is no exception. He is talent who can make something out of nothing. He is a livewire. He’s a buzy bee type scrummy (thankfully he does not have that irritating little man scrumhalf attitude that one sees too often). Definitely a player you want to test at a higher level. If I were the guy charged with giving him his big break i.e. Plum. I would say Jaco we’re putting you in a crucial decision-making role, we place far more emphasis on what you can do as a team player than what you’re able to do as an individual and take it from there.

    Having watched the likes of Mike Phillips* and Andy Ellis this season, I’m just of the opinion that a neat scrumhalf who executes basics well is potentially far more valuable to a team’s cause than a flashy guy who is untidy and/or trying to force situations.

    *I know that Phillips produced 2 amazing moments during this last RWC but other than that all he tried to do was play a very high % error free game like George Gregan always did.

    We also increasingly look to a scrummy to have as an absolute minimum a get out of jail relieving kick. So I’d want Reinach to put in a lot of offseason work on his base kicking game as well.

    But to answer your question: yes I think we must make him 3rd choice for this SR season – he is a potential 1st choice player down the line.

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.11.11 12:43:47 by beet Reply
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  • @beet: you think the under21′s not shining as brightly when it comes to team brilliance has anything to do with the coaching?

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.11.11 12:50:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: what about a return of kockoot to the sharks?

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.11.11 12:52:59 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 26) : We did come 2nd which is much higher than I expected us to finish so the coaches deserve praise for that.

    I might be being a little harsh but I just recall that throughout the season players like Reinach, Jordaan, Prinsloo, Cloete were standing out for their individual brilliance which by far imho exceeded the number of times their opponents showed the same bits of flash. However 2 of the teams, the Bulls and WP, to me in 4 games that I saw vs the Sharks u21, looked like they played with a lot more cohesion – dependence on the team functioning as a unit to score points.

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.11.11 12:57:20 by beet Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) :

    I think he was a teacher back then. He was a naughty bugger in school.

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.11.11 12:58:25 by Predawn Reply

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  • @beet: thanks for the info.any news from rob yet re: sharks under19 team for next season( signings?).

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.11.11 13:04:49 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 30) : Rob likes to sit on that egg for 8 months. It hatches a fully grown bird in about June 2012 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.11.11 13:18:13 by beet Reply
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  • Let him go, it will give Lambie the chance to grow at FH

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.11.11 14:12:26 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Predawn (Comment 29) : He was still studying at Edgewood at the time. Just as naughty.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.11.11 15:29:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 22) : You have to remember that before his injury in this year’s SupeRugby, Pat was kicking a 100% average at FH. He was the first-choice flyhalf since making the position his own during the 2010 Currie Cup campaign. Fred was ostensibly brought in to cover for him while he was in the Bok squad. In the away leg of the Tri-Nations Pat started in the Bok jersey for the first time at 10. And played very well there. Jantjies was overlooked, in spite of being in the squad. He remains without a Bok cap.
    Jantjies did not start to excel until this Currie Cup season, and only because Mitchell has sat on his head to make him toe the line discipline-wise and shape-up conditioning-wise. His SupeRugby performance this year was indifferent at best, with some real howlers at worst. He was even dropped to the bench at one point because of discipline issues.
    Like I said, it will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming SupeRugby season.

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.11.11 16:03:20 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 34) : Not strictly true, Elton had a pretty good 2010 Currie Cup, and in fact was even chosen as number 10 in the team of the Currie Cup, right here on sharksworld. Granted, his start in 2011 Superugby was less than ideal, but with help, he started to turn it around, and had a great 2011 Currie Cup. His time will still come.

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.11.11 17:00:05 by Greg Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 34) : Sharon ,Elton is a super talent ,you are not being fare at all. Your opinion is jaded .

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.11.11 18:19:43 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 36) : HEY! This is the same lady that penned the following quotes earlier this year:

    “I have made no bones about the fact that I consider Patrick Lambie to be a Springbok captain in the making and perhaps the most exciting talent to grace the world’s rugby stage since bread started coming in slices.”

    “But in that time, Mr Lambie will surely grow in stature exponentially, and put further distance between himself and those who can only hope to be fractionally as naturally gifted and brilliant.”

    And you’re only now suggesting her opinion is jaded. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.11.11 19:32:03 by beet Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 36) : And yours isn’t?

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.11.11 19:32:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 34) : In the past and current Lambie edeges Jantjies by quite a margin in terms of ability and ranking. If you read my comment again, I was hinting at what the future holds. At the moment its like 2 bright students, one studying through UNISA (Lambie) and one going to Wits (Jantjies). Now the student going UNISA is clever, so gets good marks and learns by himself. While the one that goes to Wits learns by himself and more importantly learns from lecturers, tutors, mentors. They might reach the same goal but the one going to wits will become a more rounded individual. Getting the point? At the moment, and even you can’t deny this, is though Lambie edges Jantjies, Elton is not far behind. Next year Lambie will still probably be ahead in the pecking order. But soon with Jantjies having 2world class flyhalfs of the past, to mentor him, mentor his downfalls, teach him skills that he does not have and Lambie does. Another example is the Springboks. They basically coached themselves for the past few years. Then when things went wrong, it took them a blerrie long time to attempt to change what wasn’t working, and that too was with outside help in the form of Rassie. As I said I am all for Lambie. playing flyhalf, but chasing Freddie away will have some negatives on the very player we so dearly wish to wear the 10 jersey. For Patrick to become the sole owner of the number 10 green and gold jersey and to him be a step behind his competitors, the right environment has to be set. Unless we have some experienced mentors around or someone like Dick Muir back, Patrick May find it difficult to keep the competition playing Currie Cup while he is playing the 2015 RWC

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.11.11 21:03:26 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 39) : Ment to say step ahead not step behind. Typing from a mobile devise is a rather tiresome affair.

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.11.11 21:07:16 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 36) : I am far from jaded, dear friend. I have never denied that Jantjies has an amazing talent. I just have my reservations that he has the mental attitude and commitment to match. And I hope he proves me wrong in that respect because I hate to see talent wasted.
    I think he was picked too soon for the Boks on the EOYT 2010. Perhaps not getting a cap on the TriNations away leg this year helped him to find the fire inside to finally excel because he was truly outstanding throughout the Currie Cup, and especially in the final stages.
    But on paper, and in the experience and attitude stakes, Lambie is at the moment the better player.

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.11.11 21:21:47 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 39) : I hear what you are saying and to a large extent I agree. But I have never thought that Michalak was the right “tutor” simply because he does not “see” the game the same way that Patrick does. And the only way to really learn how to master a position is to have continuous play in it, which Jantjies has had and Pat hasn’t. Daniel Carter would be a great example of someone I would like to see him learning from! Or a Michael Lynagh… But all of this is pure conjecture, because we all know that the powers that be don’t listen to mere mortals and that there are a fair few “backers” of Pat staying at fullback, come what may, in a second receiver role.

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.11.11 21:30:54 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Because this was the 2nd post about “maybe Fred is leaving”, the heading made me think this one’s for real…

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.11.11 22:18:15 by Franshark Reply
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  • I stick with my thoughts about this, I am glad he served us but if he is gonna hinder Lambi playing at ten then I’ll be glad to see him going… I would still like to see him play 9 and Lambi 10.

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.11.11 22:22:09 by Franshark Reply
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  • Kockott at 9 ( hoping he has developed a top class pass in the time away from the sharks)

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.11.11 23:18:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk: okay,so let’s say they play pat at 15 for next season’s sr..who to play at ten? With michalak wanting to go back to france,won’t it perhaps make sense to try meyer bosman at 10?( I’m hoping for the return of frans steyn to the sharks when his contract ends at racing,and he will be my first choice 12.but I also want mb to play,just don’t think we can afford him at 12_ unless his tackling improves big time.and jlp also needs to be given opprtunity somewhere in the backline ).
    I’m keen on getting kockott back ( hoffman just doesn’t have a physical presence at 9 – and neither does macleod ).

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.11.11 23:29:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • Don’t ever suggest that Lambie must play 15. He is being shuntted around like most Sharks players get shuntted around. Pienaar, Steyn, Brent Russell, Smit and Bismarck comes to mind at the moment.

    Lambie has better qualities as a flyhalf than a fullback. Not that he doesn’t fit in as a 15, but he just has that vision to create things which is best suited as a 10. The same thing happened with Larkham. He started as a fullback and was soon moved to 10. Where Beale was primarily used as a 10, his attacking qualities suited his play as a 15. But to get back at the issue. The season next year is going to be a long one. There will be at least 16 S15 matches, followed by the CC (say 10 more). Then its time for the 3N (the newly named Rugby championship with Argentina), the England tour in our winter and then the EOYT in UK. We WILL have to rotate players. Options surrounding the pivot role that I would like to see, is Fred at 10 with Lambie at 12 (not fulltime; still Lambie at 10 for the majority of the time). Lambie 10, MB at 12. Lambie 10, JLP at 12. And then just as important Lambie to get mush needed rest as replacement 10.

    On a different issue. I would like to see Viljoen at 13, who has much more pace than Ludik whom Plum apparently mentioned as a 13 option last year. The balance of MB and Viljoen as pair for some reason just doesn’t feel right however. Maybe I’m wrong.

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.11.11 08:48:37 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Predawn (Comment 9) : Amen to that! We need to focus on the real issue here…coaching. How come the Lions were able to convert a group of no-name brands into champs?? Fred playing for us during the Super 15 is the least of our problems!! Some might even say it’s a blessing as he is helping our coaching staff understand baÇkline play. Besides, SR is going to long next year, we need depth! Also don’t undertand why JLP was never tried at centre and why Adonga was not given a chance during the CC! You have a superior athlete at your disposal and don’t use him the entire year…please, don’t tell me that he is still raw!! How many years has he been with the Sharks?? If he is still raw then you need to question your coaching! Adonga, go get proper coaching from Mitchell boet! Watch the Cronje twins’ rugby improve next year, Spencer will have them good in no time. All of this sh!t makes me sick!! I have said this for ages, Plum and RS are a bad combination. They are both medÍcore and make sh!t decisions. How the heck did the Bulls get Sadie, Cronje and Engelbrecht and we end up with MJ??? I’ll tell you why, they have a certain individual making proper long term rugby decisions. We could have offered MJ’s package to Sadie! Listened to Carlos the other day, he said we have plenty of talent here, we just need to coach them properly.Get a proper backline coach involved, we have Deon Kayser in the system, we have Andre Joubert in Natal, come on.

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.11.11 09:15:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 39) : Spot on!

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.11.11 09:19:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 39) : I don`t understand this debate.
    Elton showed his worth in the CC final and our ” bok laden ” sharks team did not.
    Result : Elton 1 – 0 Lambie

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.11.11 09:26:10 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Who cares if Pat and Fred read the game differently? They are not meant to, if that was the case all teams and nations would play the same style of rugby. The coach needs to understand how each individual sees and play the game and adapt the game plan accordingly. If Freddie is to mentor Lambie, the coach must decide which elements of Lambie’s game Freddie must work on..

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.11.11 09:28:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 50) : Behave! Lol! Mocho and I are simply saying that the lack of proper coaching at the Sharks is preventing our players from reaching their potential. Plum is a good forwards coach and that’s where it ends. He is no strategist!

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.11.11 09:35:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 18) : lambie has quick hands mate! Him and Adi are a cut above the rest.

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.11.11 09:47:00 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 37) : Completely biased :cool:
    @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : I am a sharkie ,[email protected]SharonvanWyk (Comment 41) : Hard to say, Lambie is the more accomplished player ,but they are both young and verry different players.

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.11.11 12:07:41 by Talent Reply
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  • There is a lot of work that needs to go into the sharks backline from the coaching perspective… Just hope the available coaches are up to it.
    And did the sharks really want to contract hollenbach?
    Didn’t hear any rumours of the sharks looking at either sadie or engelbrecht..
    Well, I still hope we manage to get frans steyn back at the sharks(even if it means after june ’12).
    In ’06 brad barritt stepped up ,so I’m also hoping a youngster or 2 from the under 21s/under19s can making huge strides in the off season( waylon murray also debuted as a 20year old for the sharks in superrugby’06).

  • Comment 55, posted at 06.11.11 16:24:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • Re: waylon murray was 19 years old when he made his sharks debut vs the crusaders in timaru 2006.sharks narrowly lost 22_20.
    Brad barritt was also 19 years old when he made his sharks debut vs chiefs in durban ’06.

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.11.11 16:40:50 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 56) :
    That happened under Dick Muir didn’t it?

    Not something that Plum would consider I would think (giving youngsters opportunities).

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.11.11 06:53:54 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 57) : I agree and disagree.

    Plumtree gave Lambie his chance.

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.11.11 07:12:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 50) :

    oh yes plz :mrgreen:

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.11.11 07:18:30 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Fred was initaially signed on as scrumhalf cover but got shifted to 10 when Lambie got the Bok call. So now that Lambie is back Fred should return to scrumhalf/flyhalf cover off the bench. I also believe JLP needs to be given a chance, otherwise why did we sign him? If it was to just play Vodacom Cup then a youngster would have been a lot cheaper. Surely the NRU needs to be held accountable for bad signings that cost the Union money??

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.11.11 08:27:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : JLP was a mistake, the Sharks signed him when they were up sh*t creek without a paddle.

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.11.11 08:28:59 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 50) : The Lions were hungrier and far more desperate. The forwards laid a lovely platform for Elton to work off. They consistently performed throughout the season. The Sharks were rubbish and didn’t deserve to be in the final. At the end of the day I would still pick Lambie over Elton. Lambie is the better player but Elton had the better team on finals day.

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.11.11 08:32:32 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 61) : When the amount of gametime he has got has shown that they made a mistake. But why then not admit it and send him packing or at least send him on loan somewhere so that a youngster can get into the team structures etc.

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.11.11 08:41:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : His form hasn’t warranted game time either and I am not sure anyone else wants him… they probably just have to sit tight and wait until his contract runs out.

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.11.11 08:48:39 by lostfish Reply
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  • I’m not sure if jlp was a mistake- the big problem for the player was his goalkicking failing him quite spectacularly when called on.he might have added value in another position during the sr or cc.dunno why he wasn’t tried in the centres?the player himself in the interview on sw said he is keen to make the team and doesn’t matter where he plays.so why didn’t they give him a shot at 13?okay,I know ,stef was still around.
    With mb injury,they couldve tried him at 12.

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.11.11 08:55:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 64) : Its hard to judge a guys form when he only gets a few seconds here and there. Im sure JLP is getting paid a decent sum so he isnt too upset about the Union just sitting tight and waiting for his contract to run out. But with no gametime it means his value will drop when he does move on.

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.11.11 09:13:25 by SheldonK Reply

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