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Another player lost to Stormers


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Stormers, WP on 7 Nov 2011 at 08:00
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The Stormers and Western Province, having lost a fair number of juniors over the last few months to the likes of the Bulls, Sharks and even Brumbies, will also be without the services of a more senior player next year. Lock Adriaan Fondse will leave the team shortly to join up with the Newcastle Falcons.

The 28-year-old former Bulls second-rower was a popular and influential addition to the Stormers tight five when he joined the team three years ago, doing much to overturn the perception that the Cape team lacked grunt in the engine room during his tenure. A recent fall from grace, though, saw Fondse feature more regularly in the Vodacom Cup side – as well as on the physio table – while players such as Rynardt Elstadt and even Hilton Lobberts were preferred in the number 4 jersey.

Fondse’s Dutch heritage – he holds dual nationality – will allow him to play in the UK without needing to jump through any of the ludicrous visa-related hoops that have all-but closed off that country as a career destination for most South Africans, with only those who have proven themselves in the test arena able to meet the new criteria.



56 Comments

  • From the heading I thought the Sharks had lost a player to the Stormers.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.11.11 08:08:52 by lostfish Reply
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  • Used to be a big fan of his but he got lazy, also he carried a big paycheque.A really big paycheque

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.11.11 08:11:44 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 2) : do any of the young guns have the grunt to take his place?

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.11.11 08:12:28 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 1) : ha ha – the art of a good headline :)

    But when last did we lose a decent player to them?

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.11.11 08:14:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : The only one that I can think of right now is Brent Russell.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.11.11 08:15:27 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 2) : Big paycheck……the art of a good agent.

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.11.11 08:18:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Off-topic: Rob, what are the plans for Bok World? Been noticing a lot tumbleweeds around there lately. ;-)

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.11.11 08:21:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 3) : I think so, Elstadt definitely but we need one more.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.11.11 08:23:35 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • This will open the door for Eben Etsebeth i feel sorry for super 15 sides and currie cup sides next year eben loves inflicting pain :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.11.11 08:23:41 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 9) : Eben is still a bit green but I hope he gets some proper time on the paddock, I really wished he had some more time in the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.11.11 08:43:33 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : the lawnmower man is off-sick ;)

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.11.11 09:10:56 by Franshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : let’s say its future is in the balance… hard enough finding the time to run one site, never mind two…

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.11.11 09:33:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : I can imagine but I still really like the idea of BokWorld and I feel it’s fills a gap.

    Suggestion:
    Could BokWorld and Sharksworld be run as one site? When visitors enter the site from the BokWorld URL they see a different ‘skin’ and only certain news categories. I’m sure there’s a way of accomplishing this in WordPress? That would mean only one site needs to be maintained.

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.11.11 09:43:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 8) :

    Rynhardt Elstadt & Quinn Roux as enforcers.

    Andries Bekker & Eben Etzebeth at 5.

    That’s enough I think :)

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.11.11 09:51:47 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp: would like to see the sharks put such confidence in our young locks,ie bresler and jandre marais.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.11.11 09:56:04 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 15) :

    To be fair, Bresler & Marais got more game-time then those two WP locks (Roux played very little part in the CC, and Etzebeth none at all). It’s only our perceptions of how they’re being managed that differs.

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.11.11 10:03:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp: when it came to crunch time(semi’s and final),they decided to stick with a specialist flank at lock.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.11.11 10:06:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : Ja but Quinn lost out on the opportunity to close out the season as a first choice due to injury.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.11.11 10:06:40 by beet Reply
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  • I guess the Province order of merit based on history is:

    Bekker
    Elstadt
    Steenkamp
    Lobberts
    Roux
    Daniller
    Etsebeth/Hugo

    However that will probably change.

    I also expect Etsebeth to leapfrog a few guys if the powers that be declare him ready for senior rugby.

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.11.11 10:09:27 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 17) :

    True. Not a big fan of the way John Mitchell has been handling his locks (Bulbring & Snyman in particular) in Jo’burg either. Kiwi coaches must not like the typical SA locks. If I were Plumtree I’d hand the 4 jersey to Marais and make it his to lose, but that’s just me.

    @beet (Comment 19) :

    From what AC has been saying, we’ll soon see Scarra Ntubeni & Eben Etzebeth getting game time for the seniors. Think he named those two, along with Kolisi, as future ‘stars’.

    All the guys coming through, it’s only a matter of time WP wins something. Hopefully sooner rather then later :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.11.11 10:20:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 19) :

    Also I think Etzebeth was injured for a sizeable portion of the CC which may have stopped him from making the seniors.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.11.11 10:22:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp: snyman was in u19 squad with hargreaves ’05.was let go at end of ’09 season to join lions?
    Didn’t really get that much opp at sharks either.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.11.11 10:25:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 21) : He may have had a few niggling injuries but he was involved for much of the season.

    He started behind Reniel and Quinn and funnily enough, it was Quinn and not Reniel who made way for him at times in the season.

    Province juniors also have a useful player in Willem vd Sluys who also took game time away from Eben.

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.11.11 10:26:45 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 22) :

    Let go or left?

    Gordon Gilfillan another lock who was highly thought of, only to move to Jo’burg and never be heard of again.

    Next: Hendrik Roodt.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.11.11 10:27:28 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 20) : Scura was my pick for hooker at u21 level this season. Good player in both tight and loose. But his body shape leaves a lot to be desired. He looks like a Micky D’s frequenter. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.11.11 10:29:19 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 23) :

    Yeah Wilhelm was an SA U-20 trialist last year if I remember correctly.

    Anyway, I think WP supporters need to get over the whole thing about young talent leaving.

    You can’t give everybody an opportunity, and sometimes it’s better for everybody if they go elsewhere where they are given more opportunities to stake a claim.

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.11.11 10:30:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 25) :

    A rounder Shimange hey!

    Hopefully adds a bit more grunt into that front-row eventually though!

    Deon Fourie is a number-8 in every way besides being short and a little chubby.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.11.11 10:32:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet: how good is reniel hugo? Tough question lol (sorry)

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.11.11 10:33:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 25) :

    I’m hoping they rotate Quinn Roux & Eben Etzebeth as the reserve locks for the Stormers next year. Like they did with Groom & Schreuder.

    Probably end up with Steenkamp on the bench though. Guess I can’t really fault the logic in having a line-out lock on the bench though.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.11.11 10:35:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp: most probably didn’t have his contracted renewed,I think?

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.11.11 10:35:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • Contract not contracted.. :-\

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.11.11 10:38:57 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) : 2nd to none in the lineout at u21 level, even good at attacking the oppo throw-ins, which takes class. He’s does his fair share in the loose as well. He is athletic but not physical. The only thing I can think that may be holding him back is that he is a perceived weak scrumager and Province are desperate to strengthen their setpiece.

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.11.11 10:41:48 by beet Reply
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  • @beet: hope he doesn’t get lost in the system down in the cape then.a lock that can compete on opp lineout ball (matfield type player) is what boks must keep having in the team.

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.11.11 10:48:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 33) :

    Bit surprised the Lions went with Greeff instead of him. Guessing he must still be under contract.

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.11.11 10:50:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet: perhaps a move to the cheerahs in his near future?depending on how things work out at weepee.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.11.11 10:50:35 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 35) :

    Cheetahs don’t sign unproven players at any price that would allow them even a reasonable lifestyle! He’d hopefully have money in the bank before making that move :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.11.11 10:54:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) : Preach brother preach.The way people are going on over Josh Strauss leaving the cape is funny.

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.11.11 11:03:46 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 37) :

    Josh Strauss has been energetic for the Lions.

    But let’s be honest, he’s not nearly ‘precise’ enough in what he does to ever be a serious challenger for the Springboks.

    Nick Koster is still a far better player who’s unfortunately not had as much opportunity (along with a few injuries).

    Of the Lions loose-forwards, I like Whiteley the most, but none are half as good as they’re being made out to be.

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.11.11 11:07:20 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD): whiteley is a better no8.should try and sign him at weepee.but I’m not saying vermeulen is bad- he really made me take notice of him this season.sorry his injury came at the time it came and was so serious.

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.11.11 11:09:04 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp: agree that whiteley is better 8.

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.11.11 11:10:32 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 39) :

    I’d love to see them play Vermeulen on the blindside.

    Josh Strauss puts a lot of energy in. I’m always happy to see players like that doing well.

    But I still think being a Springbok requires a lot more then giving it your all. He’s hardly been crucial in what the Lions have been doing. If anything he’s been something extra, and they could easily get by without him.

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.11.11 11:15:28 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp: interesting point about vermeulen as a 7.that could open up the no8 pos at weepee for whiteley.he could be an explosive link player down in the cape.

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.11.11 11:26:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 42) :

    No thanks! He’s good, but not that good.

    Hoping they play Burger at 8, and personally think Koster is due his breakout season. I predict he’ll be a Springbok by the end of 2012.

    Also reckon Siya Kolisi’s best position would be number-8. He’ll have to go elsewhere to play there though, which means he’s probably going to be playing at 7 for most of his career.

    Not even sure what they’re going to do with Nizaam Carr.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.11.11 11:28:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp:Nizaam carr really caught the eye in this year’s varsity cup.
    Schalk has shocking handling skills for a player with so many games and mins in a bok jersey .dunno if he would be ideal 8 ?

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.11.11 11:35:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 44) : I dunno about that hey…Burger’s handling skills have looked the best this year than they have in many years. He actually passes the ball now…and pretty well! He would be my choice of Bok Captain and 8th man. I know many wouldnt agree but there isnt another players that tries harder and some youngsters could learn from that!

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.11.11 12:02:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK: bok capt is an interesting one for next season.he might well have the inside track for that position but what about someone like juan smith?will be interesting..

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.11.11 12:08:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 46) : In the last 4yrs i dont think Juan Smith has played a full season so cant really make him Bok Captain! The next coach will play a big part in who the captain is and i dont feel that the next captain will be there necessarily for 4yrs like Smit was. But i cant think of anyone besides Burger who would get the respect of the junior and senior players.

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.11.11 12:30:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 41) : I must say I agree Josh Strauss is not Springbok material yet. Derrick Minnie on the other hand…

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.11.11 12:50:06 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 48) :

    No man. Minnie is the best of a very bad bunch to fall in behind Brussow. We haven’t got any good opensiders, except for Brussow. Personally was never a fan of Francois Louw either who didn’t get through enough work IMO. Louw would’ve made an excellent blindside flanker somewhere.

    Sharks line-up for me:
    - I think JC Janse van Rensburg is an excellent player. Wouldn’t let the Boks down if ever selected, although it’s highly unlikely. He’s better then Dean Greyling anyway.
    - Franco vd Merwe another for me that isn’t quite a Springbok, and never will be. Was a bit disappointed in Hoskins naming what he deems to be ‘future stars’ for the Springboks. He should stick to the administration side of things.
    - Elton Jantjies another ‘brink’ player. I don’t see a long term future for him in the Springbok 10 jersey, not ahead of Johan Goosen, or Pat Lambie for that matter – if they want him at 10.
    - Doppies la Grange is like their Wynand Olivier. He does the basics brilliantly. For me, one of the main reasons they did so well.
    - Jaco Taute probably the best fullback in SA if Lambie is at 10. Will be a Springbok before long, but will be hoping for Lambie to stay there, or he may find himself missing out a lot in favor of players who are deemed more versatile.

    Good as the Lions were, I just think the entire CC should be put into context. By the time the semi’s and final came around they’d built up huge momentum and already secured home-advantage (which is very very important in play-off rugby)

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.11.11 13:02:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp:jip,agree with your take on the momentum been built up,home-ground adv.

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.11.11 13:11:50 by bergshark Reply

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  • I see the Lions have a new equity partner

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.11.11 17:07:03 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 51) : that’s hardly breaking news, bud :)

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.11.11 17:11:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 22) : I thought both Joe Snyman (2m, 118kg) and Wouter Moore (2m, 120kg) had good Sharks futures ahead of them. Wouter Moore is now playing for Cavalieri in the Italian Super 10 league.

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.11.11 22:36:47 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy:thanks for the info and welcome to sw :-)

    wouter moore is the player that suffered that horrific injury after being tackled-late by jp nel @kings park cc 2006.think he was still persuaded to come down to natal by sykes ( if I remember the article I read bout him in a sharks mag correctly).

    Do you know how long he has been playing in italy? ( See corniel van zyl is representing italy- wonder if we might see moore play for them also in the not too distant future).

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.11.11 22:52:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 54) : I remember that. He suffered a ruptured spleen as a result. If i remember correctly Ryan ‘Cost us’ Walker had a shocker in that game! Not sure how long Moore has been playing in Italy. Cavalieri play Newport Gwent Dragons on Saturday in the Amlin Challenge Cup so he may be playing then, no sure

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.11.11 23:03:20 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy: I’m glad that he is still able to play pro rugby after that incident.wish him all the best in his career and if he is playing this weekend,hope he has a motm performance.

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