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In, out or undecided – part 1


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 8 Nov 2011 at 10:29
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Let’s run the rule over all the players who represented the Sharks in 2011, be it at Super Rugby, Vodacom Cup, Currie Cup or Under 21 level and try to get a picture of which of them will be sticking around in 2012.

Bear in mind that it’s really not easy to come by this information and we’ll update it as and when we get more. The table below will indicate who is definitely staying, who is definitely going and those about which we’re still not sure. This article will look at the forwards and we’ll cover the backs in a later one.

If anyone has any solid info that either confirms or contradicts anything we have in here, please do let me know!

Name 2012 Status Destination Contracted until Notes
Beast Mtawarira In 2013
Dale Chadwick In
Eugene van Staden In Biarritz (loan) 2012 Loan move to Biarritz. Back for Super Rugby
Sabelo Nhlapo Out Tuks/Bulls
Danie Mienie In Still under 21 in 2012
Jannie du Plessis In 2013
Wiehahn Herbst In 2013
Julian Redelinghuys In 2013
Robbie Harris Out Unsure
Nick Schonert In Still under 21 in 2012
Njabulo Mkhize Out UJ
Francois Hanekom Out Shimlas
John Smit Out Saracens
Bismarck du Plessis In 2013
Craig Burden In
Kyle Cooper In 2012
Monde Hadebe In
Shaun Malton Out UJ
Gideon Bruwer In Still under 21 in 2012
Steven Sykes Out Leinster
Gerhard Mostert Out Stade Francais
Anton Bresler In 2013
Jandre Marais In 2013
Ross Skeate In 2012
Alistair Hargreaves In
Pieter-Steph du Toit In Still under 21 in 2012
Peet Marais In 2013
Karolis Navickas Out Sale Sharks
Johan Schoonbee Out Unsure
Lee Thompson Out Tuks/Bulls
Mike Williams Out Tuks/Bulls
Willem Alberts In 2012
Jacques Botes Unsure Assume staying
Daniel Adongo Out Bulls
Marcell Coetzee In 2013
Keegan Daniel In 2013
Jean Deysel In 2014
Ryan Kankowski In 2013 Assume staying
Francois Kleinhans In Still under 21 in 2012
Lubabalo Mtembu In
Nic Claasen Out Maties Assume out
Lambert Groenewald Out Brescia (Italy)
Siseko Jafta In Still under 21 in 2012
Chris Cloete In Still under 21 in 2012
Brynard Stander Unsure


94 Comments

  • this is really just a first draft hey :)

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.11.11 10:40:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Its sacary to see who we let go and who isn’t locked into contract extensions yet.

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.11.11 10:50:27 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Its scary to see who we let go and who isn’t locked into contract extensions yet.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.11.11 10:50:43 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Bissie also signed until 2013?

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.11.11 10:51:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 4) : If I’m correct both Bissie and Jannie signed for the next two years.

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.11.11 10:59:35 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Please confirm backs – there r rumours that WP are after JP apparantly they have too many forwards but not enough backs :evil:

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.11.11 11:01:04 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : Yup that’s what I heard.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.11.11 11:03:23 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 3) : bear in mind that many of the senior players who I have down as unknown are most likely still contracted… I just don’t have the info confirmed yet.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.11.11 11:03:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Maybe Stander is considering a last minute offer to join the bulls.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.11.11 11:05:25 by Muzi Reply

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  • Big Mike will probably play for Pine Pienaars vodacom cup side.Nhlapo will be given a trial i doubt he will make the currie cup side.A fit and on form Morne Mallet is very usefull.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.11.11 11:07:44 by Muzi Reply

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  • Jerome Pretorius is not bad but apparently the powers at loftus will push for serfontein..small smith…beyers and swanepoel to be sadies understudy.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.11.11 11:09:57 by Muzi Reply

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  • Just had confirmation that Chadwick, Burden, Hargreaves and Daniel are all still in for next year, but agent unwilling to confirm contract durations.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.11.11 11:16:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • Strange Peet has a contract to 2013 and Jandre is still unconfirmed…we need to secure here, me thinks! It takes a while for a lock to “grow” and I think he has great potential in the nr 4 jersey!

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.11.11 11:16:29 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 13) : I’m still trying to get hold of Jandre and Peet’s agent. I’m pretty sure both are contracted until 2013

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.11.11 11:18:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : That’s good news. We will need them badly during the S15

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.11.11 11:18:49 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 6) :

    I’m sure I recall JP renewing his contract recently.

    Oh and WP don’t sign backline players, we sign props and tight forwards… Oh wait… :evil: :???:

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.11.11 11:20:52 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 4) : @robdylan (Comment 12) : Ek sien jy kan ‘n skimp vang! :)

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.11.11 11:24:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 6) : will do backs tomorrow

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.11.11 11:25:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • The “unsure” next to Jandré Marais and Ryan Kankowski’s names makes me feel uneasy (although didn’t Ryan recently sign an extension?). I also seem to remember Beet waxing lyrical about Brynard Stander, so that’s another one where I’d like to see a commitment next to his name (this is of course assuming Beet’s opinion has a degree of credibility :mrgreen: ).

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.11.11 11:47:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 19) : Dude Beet still rates Johan Roets! :lol:

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.11.11 11:49:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 19) : I even heard Beet say that Johan Roets would have been a better Bok flyhalf than Henry Honniball. He said something along the lines of “Henry Honiball couldn’t even tackle a Jorrie Muller running straight at him.” :lol: ;)

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.11.11 11:52:27 by Ben Reply
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  • Sorry Beet! :)

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.11.11 11:53:00 by Ben Reply
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  • Guys dnt no one can touch Beet i have learnt alot from him he should be the sharks junior scout lol

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.11.11 11:54:45 by Muzi Reply

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  • @ commet 13, That is strange since Jandre did play in the CC.

    @ Comment 19, This is also strange. Unsure next to Ryan is making me uneasy.

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.11.11 11:57:57 by dawj Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 19) : Ryan may have…

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.11.11 12:06:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : ah yes… Keegan and Hoff signed 3 year extensions last year

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.11.11 12:09:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @dawj (Comment 24) : ok – no worries. Hoff is confirmed until 2013

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.11.11 12:11:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : Boggles the mind, doesn’t it? But given that he’s generaly of sound mind, I’m willing to let that one slide…

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.11.11 12:16:34 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Jandre Marais MUST have the green “in” mark next to his name.
    Glad to see Jafta, Kleynhans,Cloete still in, but would like to see Stander and Mthembu staying as well! Especialy Stander. Really like his play.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.11.11 12:17:16 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 21) : :mrgreen:

    I bet on Bullsworld I’d be a hero who earned an extra star for correctly suggesting that Roets deserved to be a Bok.

    I’ll admit that it took me a long time to warm to HH primarily coz he replaced one of my fav Banana Boys players at the time – GI Joel Stansky but I wud never doubt the former Vrystater’s ability to put an opponent on his bum or to run dead straight and hard for that matter. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.11.11 12:18:19 by beet Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 19) : As an armchair fan I consider my numero uno strength to be my opinion. I’ve never use credibilty as a criteria. :mrgreen:

    I enjoyed watching the yster Brynard this season but I even believe that a more to the Bulls and a potential Varsity Cup place wud be far more beneficial to his long term career prospects than sticking it out here in Durbs.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.11.11 12:22:25 by beet Reply
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  • Paul Jordaan? Piet Lindeque?
    Are they still U21 next year?

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.11.11 12:24:00 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 32) : Yes Paul has 2 years left and Piet will be in his last season in 2012.

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.11.11 12:25:29 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 31) :
    You sound more and more like a Bulls agent :) Bloody agent.

    I would prefer that IF Brynard has to leave, that it would rather be UJ or Kovsies, because the Bulls and Stormers are already so stock piled that he will not even get an opporunity at all.

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.11.11 12:33:20 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 33) : Does Piet have a nickname? I can’t wait for him to make the step up. Want to brand him with a new nick name.

    PIET THE LUNATIC LINDEQUE! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.11.11 12:33:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 32) : ummm… did you not read that we’re only covering the FORWARDS in this article? :)

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.11.11 12:36:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 32) : this is forwards only – Rob will pen the backs tommorrow! :wink:

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.11.11 12:37:09 by Ice Reply
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  • Nobody even a little concerned at the news that Adongo is like 90% certain to leave?

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.11.11 12:38:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : hahaha! Snap!

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.11.11 12:38:47 by Ice Reply
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  • Just imagine how strong SA rugby would be if upcoming and surplus players gets allocated to different unions to enable them all game time.

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.11.11 12:39:18 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : How old is he now?

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.11.11 12:40:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 31) : “As an armchair fan I consider my numero uno strength to be my opinion. I’ve never use credibilty as a criteria.”

    I can relate to that, particularly vis-a-vis my stance on Beyonce and all things musical; one of those “everyone has a right to an opinion: mine” scenarios :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.11.11 12:40:19 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I would love him to stay, and see what he can do when he is not so “raw”….

    But what can u do…he is a massive guy – just needs to get everything in place. Might take a few years…so I guess if someone is gonna let him play, he’s gonna take the opportunity… :sad:

    These guys have NO patience!!! :sad:

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.11.11 12:42:31 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) :
    Everyone in the know had something to negative to say about his form and development this year, I thought that he was not in need of discussion or concern for that matter.
    So if its more of a 90% foregone conclusion, I take it the 10% is just the courier company delivering the contract in Pta

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.11.11 12:43:32 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : You are 100% correct.

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.11.11 12:43:41 by FS Shark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I’m actually happy for him. I wish him all the best.

    For me it was a huge surprise when he made the squad at the beginning of the season. However some guys just need an offseason to click.

    I wud like to know when he started playing rugby. At what age.

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.11.11 12:43:56 by beet Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 41) : 22

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.11.11 12:45:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FS Shark (Comment 45) : I’m going to take your word on that and update Jandre

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.11.11 12:46:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 46) : late teens, I think

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.11.11 12:47:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FS Shark (Comment 45) : Thanks! And that’s awsome news! Now we can get “IN” next to Jandre too! :grin:

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.11.11 12:48:51 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Not worried about him leaving. We have enough loosies as is. If he could play 4 lock that would have been a different story.

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.11.11 12:52:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : I can imagine what a brilliant player he wud have been had he started at say 10 or 11 years old.

    A few guys who only started playing rugby after school have made it big but they also had the benefit of growing up with rugby. I feel that Daniel struggles with positional awareness on the rugby field and this is problematic on defence.

    Maybe we should try and keep him for 2 more years.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.11.11 12:52:45 by beet Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 44) :

    Hmmmm, enjoying the silence.

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.11.11 12:52:53 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @FS Shark (Comment 45) : Are there any areas of the game in which you feel Peet and/or Jandre need to work hard to improve?

    Are there any other locks that have impressed you at u21 level this season?

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.11.11 12:56:02 by beet Reply
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  • The only players I’m worried about is Mtembu, Stander and Botes.

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.11.11 13:00:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 52) : I just think that a bloke who’s 1.96m, 110kg and runs the 100m in under 11 sec – not to mention being about the strongest guy pound-for-pound in the whole system – is not someone you want to let go to the Bulls. They are going to turn him into a superstar and he’s going to SMASH us. Over and over and over again. For YEARS to come.

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.11.11 13:00:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 55) : I’m told that Mtembu will stay, but there are still some issues to iron out. No clue what’s happening with Stander but should get an update next week.

    Botes probably has a year to go on his contract too

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.11.11 13:01:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 57) : :cool: I think Botes has one season left in him at the Sharks.

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.11.11 13:04:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Not to worried about that. Look what they did with Pierre Spies! :)

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.11.11 13:06:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 40) : A draft system for surplus players could be very beneficial to SA rugby provided that the smaller unions have the adequate funds to cover salaries. Salary caps would probably need to be introduced for draft prospects (similar to the NFL) but I’m certain it could work.

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.11.11 13:07:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 58) : You’d think? He couldn’t even get selected for the CC final for some reason. If Plum wants big storming loosies, then he should have held onto Adongo and let Botes become the Stef of the forwards (only play him when needed).

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.11.11 13:10:39 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 61) : S15 = Depth required in all positions.

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.11.11 13:16:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 61) : Btw your reference doesn’t work. Stef wasn’t played only when needed. He was picked ahead of better players. :)

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.11.11 13:18:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 63) : unfortunately

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.11.11 13:29:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : @Ice (Comment 37) :
    Ahhhh… Salaam and good day to you then.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.11.11 13:57:46 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 65) : I’ll get the other half up tomorrow, k?

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.11.11 14:08:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Wouldn’t want to see the sharks lose the under21 loose forwards(mthembu,brynard,cloete) and adonga.

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.11.11 14:22:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan: so johan schoonbee is gone?

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.11.11 14:25:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 68) : yes

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.11.11 14:30:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • http://www.sportlive.co.za/rugby/boks/2011/11/08/boks-face-pumas-in-opening-rugby-championship-match

    The Rugby Championship….wow… :roll:

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.11.11 14:42:23 by klempie Reply

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  • @robdylan: physical stats of schoonbee are impressive.never really featured in the junior sharks teams.was his stay in dbn plagued by injury?

  • Comment 71, posted at 08.11.11 14:42:32 by bergshark Reply

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  • @ comment 38, i did inquire about him during the course of the year because i was told that he was the next big thing. Don’t know what to make of him at this point in time.

    This brings us to an old topic i.e. Plum’s reluctance to give the youngsters a chance just like another Kiwi that coached the Sharks and the ramifications it eventually had for Natal and SA Rugby :evil:

  • Comment 72, posted at 08.11.11 14:45:09 by dawj Reply

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  • So.

    SA travel
    SA-ARG-BYE-AUS-NZ-BYE-SA-SA

    AUS travel
    AUS-NZ-BYE-AUS-AUS-BYE-SA-ARG

    NZ travel

    AUS-NZ-BYE-ARG-SA-BYE-NZ-NZ

    ARG travel

    SA-ARG-BYE-NZ-AUS-BYE-ARG-ARG

    So O’Neill is grinning like a Chesire cat again. NZ and SA shafted. Well done him.

  • Comment 73, posted at 08.11.11 14:50:37 by klempie Reply

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  • Can’t believe we let Lambert Groenewalt go!!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 08.11.11 14:51:40 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @BoerSeun: re: lambert groenewald.seems like his departure opened the way for coetzee. Groenewald was still on the bench and was given a few mins against the blues.

  • Comment 75, posted at 08.11.11 14:57:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 74) : but if we hadn’t, then what would his second-division italian club have done without him?

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.11.11 15:09:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 73) : you’re clearly dying to write an article about this

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.11.11 15:09:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan: comment76: ouch..!

  • Comment 78, posted at 08.11.11 15:13:05 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : Is that a request? :razz:

  • Comment 79, posted at 08.11.11 15:13:55 by klempie Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 79) :

    Klempie’s first article….now that sounds like a plan to me!

  • Comment 80, posted at 08.11.11 15:20:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I think the logistics have actually changed things a bit and now favour SA a lot more. It will be a killer for the Kiwis and Aussies to travel all the way to Arg even if its via SA.

  • Comment 81, posted at 08.11.11 15:22:06 by beet Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 79) : either write it or shut up about it… your choice :)

  • Comment 82, posted at 08.11.11 15:30:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob,

    Can’t wait for the backs update. Hope you spring a surprise or two but i would very much like a three :mrgreen:

  • Comment 83, posted at 08.11.11 15:35:13 by dawj Reply

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  • @klempie (Comment 70) : Re the title, apparently Argentina threatened to pull out unless the competition was given a title indicating the status that they are bringing to it.

  • Comment 84, posted at 08.11.11 16:03:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @dawj (Comment 83) : what surprise are you hoping for? :)

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.11.11 16:04:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • Next year’s Tri-nations aka Quad-nations aka The Castle Rugby Championship, fixtures has been released :cool:

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.11.11 16:27:38 by JarsonX Reply
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  • FIXTURES:

    18 August 2012
    Australia vs New Zealand
    South Africa vs Argentina

    25 August 2012
    New Zealand vs Australia
    Argentina vs South Africa

    1 September 2012
    Travel Bye

    8 September 2012
    Australia vs South Africa
    New Zealand vs Argentina

    15 September 2012
    Australia vs Argentina
    New Zealand vs South Africa

    22 September 2012
    Travel Bye

    29 September 2012
    South Africa vs Australia
    Argentina vs New Zealand

    6 October 2012
    South Africa vs New Zealand
    Argentina vs Australia

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.11.11 16:28:35 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Jeez come on Sharks need to sign Alberts for a few more years.

    Why is Odonga moving to Bulls or Tuks? Heck man, I get angry when we lose talent that has hardly had a chance at the Sharks. Is he going for sure Rob?

    Pleased to see Deysel in until 2014. Committed to the Sharks. Like that. We just have to now get Alberts to sign for longer. Lions may want him back. Sharks should do everything to keep him for a few years still.

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.11.11 20:42:07 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma: def need alberts to sign a longer deal. Not only will the lions want him back,but the bulls and weepee would also like him in their teams.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.11.11 11:24:51 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Puma: also hope we can keep adonga at the sharks ( or perhaps only loan him to the tukkies side so that he gets opportunity to play varsity cup?can this be done?).

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.11.11 11:26:49 by bergshark Reply

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  • updated… confirmed out are Dan Adongo (Bulls) and Francois Hanekom (Shimlas)

  • Comment 91, posted at 15.11.11 10:39:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • I have just seen that Eugene van Staaden has signed for Biarritz… is this now a permanent move?

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.11.11 20:28:14 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 92) : it sounds like it may be. Following up and will confirm tomorrow

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.11.11 20:48:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : I guess this is the risk when these guys go off to do part time work in Europe.

  • Comment 94, posted at 15.11.11 21:07:06 by lostfish Reply
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