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Province cut more players loose


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Stormers, WP on 8 Nov 2011 at 09:21
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In the wake of the news that lock Adriaan Fondse has left Western Province to join Newcastle in England, it has been confirmed that two other forward stalwarts have not been offered contract extensions for next season.

Loose forward Pieter Louw and prop JD Moller have been deemed surplus to requirements at Newlands and will presumably join Fondse in seeking new homes for 2012 and beyond. Contracting supremo Rassie Erasmus has confirmed that the union will rather back young players like Eben Etzebeth, Quinn Roux, Steven Kitshoff and Frans Malherbe and will not be looking to bolster their forward depth via any external signings.

Rumours suggest that forwards coach Matt Proudfoot is nothing if not a little perturbed at his Director’s decision to allow the tight five stocks to deplete to such an extent.

Further criticism has been levelled at the Union for the failure to retain young backline stars in Johann Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and Lionel Cronje, all of whom have joined the Bulls for next year. Province have also confirmed that veteran Conrad Jantjes will play in France next year, with Joe Pietersen and Gerhard van den Heever brought in to add options in the back three.



361 Comments

  • I know Rassie is a smart bugger, but that seems a bit short sighted to me, what with the mega seasons coming on from next year.

    Stormers are going to get cheesed in the second half of Super Rugby when the injuries sets in.

    By the way, cheesed is like getting creamed, only it goes on for a lot longer.

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.11.11 09:25:44 by PTAShark Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 1) :

    If we do we’ll just play some of our youngsters!!

    That’s what we do here in CT, we back our young players!! :twisted:

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.11.11 09:32:37 by wpw Reply
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  • Couldn’t care less about JD Moller going. Not into sledging a guy who does his best, but JD Moller has struggled for a very long time.

    Not resigning Pieter Louw is just stupid though. Stormers will take a step backwards in 2012.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.11.11 09:35:08 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 2) : those of them that you don’t sell to the the Bulls, you mean?

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.11.11 09:37:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    We don’t sell them, they just decide to leave :lol:

    When you produce so many talented youngsters, it’s in the players best interests to go where they will receive more opportunities.

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.11.11 09:42:11 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Sounds like the Bulls Province and Lions are doing a bit of house cleaning ..

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.11.11 09:48:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    Lionel Cronje is useless!!

    We gave him a few opportunities and he proved out of his depth.

    Even Kurt Coleman performed better than him.

    Sadie – I raise you 3 Springbok centres ;-)
    JJ Engelbrecht – sad to see him go but he hasn’t played SR yet and I believe we chose to play Poolman ahead of him based on Danie being the top try scorer for U21′s last season!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.11.11 09:52:57 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :

    Lionel Cronje couldn’t handle the step up yet. But I wouldn’t call him useless. He’ll probably develop into what everyone thought he could be now that he’s in Pretoria. Stormers seemed a bit young to provide him with the stability he needed.

    Let’s not pretend Coleman was anything more then a set of hands. Cronje tried a lot more, and failed miserably (unfortunately).

    As for Poolman vs Engelbrecht try-scoring. Engelbrecht also scored a lot of tries in that U21 tournament, but spent half of it playing for the WP senior side (meaning less games to catch up to Poolman). His strike rate was even better then that of Poolman. Just goes to show what a great U21 side that was!!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.11.11 09:57:25 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) : I wonder how many assists Sadie got last year at u21 level. Every time I watched him, he was cruising thru a gap and making overlaps.

    Also Gary van Aswegen turned out to be an absolute gem of a player for that u21 team. He couldn’t put a foot wrong even when he tried.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.11.11 10:15:12 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 8) :

    I have always been a fan of JJ and for the life of me I can’t understand why he didnt get more opportunities.

    He certainly proved he is a great prospect!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.11.11 10:19:08 by wpw Reply
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  • There is obviously a specific type of player that Rassie wants and those that dont conform will be sent packing. They obviously would have liked to keep Sadie and Engelbrecht but couldnt guarantee them gametime so off they went to seek more gametime. Get rid of the mediocre ‘senior’ and lets see what the top juniors mixed with the top seniors can do….hope the Sharks do the same. Let them all go to the Kings or Boland!

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.11.11 10:20:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • As for Plo leaving, I guess there was a bottleneck developing with a fair amount of high quality youngsters coming thru. Perhaps Louw was let go 1 season too early but his departure will help Province to secure the services of some next generation stars like Koster, Kolisi and Carr. For me Carr was looking like a good target acquisition.

    Province have some good stocks at l/fwd with a nice low avg age:

    Burger
    Vermeulen
    Koster
    Kolisi
    Elstadt
    Carr/Kitshoff
    Daniller
    Vd Walt

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.11.11 10:21:06 by beet Reply

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  • I expect the Bulls to experience the same problems in a couple of years time. They have far to many good juniors on their books right now. Pretoria just won’t be big enough for all of them.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.11.11 10:22:48 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 13) : Well both Moolman brothers are already off to the Lions. And as you say its all well and good haveing lots of good juniors but as soon as they out of u21 they all want Senior gametime and there only so many spots available. Hence the loaning of players to other provinces in a 8 or even 10 team currie cup would benefit everyone.

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.11.11 10:27:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) :

    No doubt Sadie left because Meyer made him a $ offer that WP couldn’t match.

    I doubt it had much to do about game time. He’d have backed himself to fight his way in otherwise.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.11.11 10:28:34 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 12) :

    We’re willing to offload Kitshoff, Daniller, van der Walt & Fenton-Wells.

    Any takers?

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.11.11 10:29:35 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 16) : I forgot about Fenton-Wells :razz:

    It’s tough being a looseforward in SA. We have so many good ones.

    A guy like Koster should really have been a centre. He wud have been one of the best in the world imho.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.11.11 10:33:46 by beet Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : Whestley went via the Leopards though…

    And they’ve made up for the loss of Bradley Moolman by signing our Dean :(

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.11.11 10:36:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Think this is a good thing ,pull out the weeds and let the grass grow. The one thing the Sharks need to do…

    I also get the feeling that wp are freeing up some money to but you know who …

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.11.11 10:39:50 by Talent Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 17) :

    Very true, but I’m still backing him as an 8 :grin:

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.11.11 10:39:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 17) : Koster is half the 8 Kanko is .He has lost something ,he used to have it now he doesnt.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.11.11 10:41:42 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Whestley was a Bulls player (junior representative) for longer than his short stay at the Leopards.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.11.11 10:42:50 by beet Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) :

    ohhh i like this !!!!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.11.11 10:49:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 21) :
    It’s fair to say that Kanko has been there and done that and Koster hasn’t. But Koster has time on his side.

    When Corne Krige started out for Province, he suffered a lot of setbacks coz of injury which stopped him from reaching his try potential early on. Once he shruggled them off, the talent was there for all to see. Krige has some bad memories associated with him but he was an outstanding player.

    I’m happy that Koster’s pace hasn’t been too badly effected by the knee injury that sidelined him for almost a year.

    Another issue that Koster’s had to deal with is that the Cape locals saw him coming from a mile away. He was one of the very best schoolboy players ever in a tough WP schools system nogal. The expectations alone were/are huge.

    I think we should reserve judgement til the end of 2012. He’s bound to become a fulltime starter from here on out. We might all have a very different opinion of him by then.

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.11.11 10:51:18 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 24) : A 4 page spread in the Saturday Argus didnt exactly help his cause.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.11.11 10:53:58 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 21) :

    Man you talk a lot of s**t sometimes :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.11.11 10:58:49 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Well u know what Rob good for them signing him, we will just give a chance to another guy coming through…and with the number of quality schools we have in KZN nevermind the youngsters coming to the Academy there will definitely be someone coming through…its not like we gonna be short. But what happens in 3 years when all the Bulls u19s and u21s want a senior currie cup spot…is Johan Sadie, Francios Venter and Wynand Olivier just gonna say ok ill stop now cos these guys are here now?? No the youngsters that have come through the Bulls will go looking elsewhere to find gametime.

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.11.11 11:03:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Nick Koster won Player of the Year Award for Western Province.

    Not bad for a player who lost something.

    Also statistically the most dangerous attacking loose-forward in Super Rugby.

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.11.11 11:06:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 25) :

    Neither did Jake White selecting him for the Baabaas!! :roll:

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.11.11 11:12:12 by wpw Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) :

    sometimes?? :twisted:

    How about all the damn time!! :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.11.11 11:16:36 by wpw Reply
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  • If lionel cronje is useless then why did heyneke meyer sign him?!?!Francois Venter and Small Smith will get an extension to their contracts they will not be leaving loftus.Moolman had to make way for an improving ulrich beyers who proved a handfull for the sharks piet lindeque two weeks ago.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.11.11 11:16:53 by Muzi Reply

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  • That knee injury to Koster cost him big time forget about koster Arno Botha is the talk of the town at number 8 he will push cj stander and pierre next year.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.11.11 11:19:27 by Muzi Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 30) :

    True. Appreciate his efforts though :mrgreen:

    @Muzi (Comment 31) :

    I’m with you man, Cronje isn’t useless. The Bulls are going to make very, very good use of him.

    Not so sure about the logic in retaining Small-Smith and so forth though.

    They’ve got an excellent trio right there with Wynand Olivier, Francois Venter & Johann Sadie, while Jan Serfontein could potentially be the best of the entire lot.

    Can’t keep them all hey!

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.11.11 11:20:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 31) : Because Heyneke Meyer just loves the useless flyhalves. Want some examples? Francois Brummer, Derrick Hougaard and the worst for last, Morne Steyn! ;) :lol:

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.11.11 11:21:28 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 32) :

    Biased or what!

    How about we agree that SA has a wealth of good loose-forwards. :mrgreen:

    I do agree Arno Botha is a bloody good loose-forward, but so is Koster.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.11.11 11:22:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 31) : Meyer has never signed a useless player?

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.11.11 11:24:16 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 34) :

    Hougaard was made useless by the Bulls approach. Just lost his appetite for the game it looked like.

    Craven Week Player of the Tournament, and saved the Bulls from relegation, before winning the Currie Cup as a 19-year old while setting a points scoring record!

    The Stormers could do a lot worse then organizing a release from his contract with Saracens, or trading him for Peter Grant.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.11.11 11:25:18 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) : haha well Koster cant keep a starting spot in the stormers side while Kanko keeps either Deysel ,Daniel or Alberts on the bench, enough said.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.11.11 11:26:54 by Talent Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 37) : Haha okay you guys go ahead and do that. I’d much rather have Grant than Hougaard in my team.

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.11.11 11:27:09 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 32) : arno botha will be a springbok ,he is awesome.

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.11.11 11:30:12 by Talent Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 39) :

    Grant no threat running the ball. Much of the blame for WP being so static on the attacking side of the ball should fall on his shoulders.

    Got high hopes for Gary van Aswegen though.

    @Talent (Comment 38) :

    Not even going to bother with this sort of logic.

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.11.11 11:31:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 26) : atleast you said sometimes :oops: stop it now ,you making me blush

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.11.11 11:32:54 by Talent Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 41) : dont bother ,its frustrating when you do .

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.11.11 11:34:10 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 38) :

    Like saying Jaco Pretorius is better then Juan de Jongh, because Pretorius started in Pretoria and de Jongh couldn’t even make the starting team.

    If anyone has ‘lost something’ it is Kankowski :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.11.11 11:34:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 41) : I thought he did pretty well in the S15 this year until he got injured. He’s certainly much better on attack than Willem de Waal. I’m talking about Peter Grant btw.

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.11.11 11:35:25 by Ben Reply

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  • Morne Steyn will prove his doubters wrong watch him have a blinder next year and he will still be the bok first choice flyhalf.

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.11.11 11:37:07 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 44) : Okay don’t push it too far. Kanko is a better 8 than Koster at the moment. Koster’s future does look bright though.

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.11.11 11:37:42 by Ben Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 44) : hey I used to be in the Koster corner , I just dont think he has it any more . Kanko has been getting better and better since last years s15 game against the lions, ask Rob ive always been critical of Kanko

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.11.11 11:38:06 by Talent Reply
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  • Cronje’s rugby career was heading in the same path as brummers downhill that dude can count himself lucky that meyer believes in him i hope he steps up.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.11.11 11:39:16 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 46) : You actually reckon he will learn to tackle in the off-season?

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.11.11 11:39:18 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 46) : cant say I agree ,the game plan will change with the exodus of the senior boks, his time has come and past. It will be goosen ,lambie or jantjies.

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  • Ben he does not need to tackle boet hehe…Naas Botha is a legend and he always had a clean pair of shorts lol Morne must just win us games like he did in 2009.

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.11.11 11:42:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • We all agree that Arno Botha is better than Marcell Coetzee hehe.

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.11.11 11:44:33 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 31) :

    Heynecke Meyer also signed Burton Francis, Stefan Dippenaar, Derrick Kuun, Fudge Mabeta… I rest my case!! :twisted:

  • Comment 54, posted at 08.11.11 11:44:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 52) : That’s exactly the problem with the Boks. They are relying too much on reputations and not focusing enough on what the player is capable off at the moment. Never in my life time have I seen a “professional” rugby player as scared as Morne to put his shoulder in where it hurts. The guy is a pansy imo. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 08.11.11 11:46:31 by Ben Reply

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  • Everyone says Elton Jantjies should be the bok flyhalf because he performed well in the currie cup ppppffftttt.Johan Goosen is test quality and Pat has proven himself. Enough said.

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.11.11 11:48:05 by Muzi Reply

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  • Even Hendrikp has this fascination about Schalk Burger playing number 8 i rest my case.Koster was great at bishops but boy oh boy he looked averaged against joshau strauss.

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.11.11 11:52:00 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 51) :

    Lambie will have the inside track ..

    Jantjies IF he has a good SR season (he should)

    Goosen : lets see what he does in SR and another CC first please ?

  • Comment 58, posted at 08.11.11 11:55:55 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 56) :

    it would have helped if Goosen helped his team to a winning Semi …. ooooorrrr even a winning final …

    He cant even take the step up in CC ….

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.11.11 11:57:41 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I still think Kanko and Spies are wasted in South Africa hehe.

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.11.11 11:58:07 by Muzi Reply

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  • Think the only concern would be that the front row stocks have been depleted by letting JD Moller go. Even though he wasn’t up to scratch according to some. Louw wasn’t performing either but just look at the back up that’s available.
    Jantjies haven’t been in form since breaking his leg a season or so ago and Joe is back. Still have Aplon as back up.

    @Muzi:
    Arno Botha is the talk of the town…..more so in the local town of Pta. Just as Koster is the talk of the town, more in the town of Cape Town. Marcell Coetzee is the talk of th……… You catch my drift?

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.11.11 12:00:09 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 60) : I think Spies is being wasted being on the rugby field. He should rather go and do some modelling imho. :lol:

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.11.11 12:01:24 by Ben Reply

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  • Unbelievable what rubbis from Zibbie hahahaha priceless i will nt even debate about this.

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.11.11 12:01:46 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 60) : And don’t even get me started on how Marius Joubert is being wasted on the rugby field. He should be captain of a bowls team in some retirement home! :lol:

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.11.11 12:03:49 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben you really asking for it.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.11.11 12:03:59 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Ben leave Spies come on the guy had a shocker so what life goes on hehe dnt make me mal lol

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.11.11 12:05:48 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 66) : Haha okay the best I will say about him is he is being wasted in the forwards. He should have been in the backs. Like Dean Hall.

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.11.11 12:08:07 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 63) :

    im sorry :P im still waiting for Goosen to prove himself as worth while …

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.11.11 12:09:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 67) :

    Yup. I think after 47 tests, it’s been proven that Pierre Spies will never be a suitable loose-forward.

    The fact that he’s even hit double figure caps at test level is embarrassing.

    Would’ve made a good winger though! Heyneke really messed that one up.

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.11.11 12:11:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben you can add kanko at centre

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.11.11 12:11:47 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 68) :

    He will.

    But to say he doesn’t step up because of a semi-final loss!! I mean come on.

  • Comment 71, posted at 08.11.11 12:12:35 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp as long as stander,coetzee and arno botha are in SA forget about koster making the bok team.Koster looks like another Derick Kuun in the making.

  • Comment 72, posted at 08.11.11 12:15:16 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 70) : I would love that!

  • Comment 73, posted at 08.11.11 12:15:40 by Ben Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 71) :

    seeing is believing …

  • Comment 74, posted at 08.11.11 12:16:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Schalk Burger must nt captain SA or play 8thman he runs like a headless chicken and dies with the ball enough said.

  • Comment 75, posted at 08.11.11 12:16:55 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 72) : I don’t think there is anything worse you can say about a player than saying he looks like another Derrick Kuun in the making. Sies Muzi! :)

  • Comment 76, posted at 08.11.11 12:17:32 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 62) : @Ben (Comment 64) : @hendrikp (Comment 69) : I would have no problem with Pierre Spies being appointed lifestyle editor at Huisgenoot. :evil: As for Marius Joubert, I’m now following the “if you can’t say something kind, don’t say anything at all” strategy…

  • Comment 77, posted at 08.11.11 12:23:36 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 75) :

    He doesn’t die with the ball, he sets up what is supposed to be quick ruck ball. You can’t play sevens out there, you need to draw defenders into rucks and so forth…

    Schalk seems to be more appreciated outside of South Africa then he is at home!

  • Comment 78, posted at 08.11.11 12:24:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 72) :

    Obviously a Blue Bull supporter!

    I’ll remind you at the end of the Super Rugby campaign. Bookmarking this page right now.

  • Comment 79, posted at 08.11.11 12:25:44 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 72) :

    Not to mention those very guys you are talking up are the ones who couldn’t get you into the Currie Cup semi-finals.

    Good, yes, but let’s not make them out to be the superstars you are suggesting.

  • Comment 80, posted at 08.11.11 12:27:16 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Jeez guys are harsh on Pierre Spies. Here’s a guy who helped the Bulls to SR trophies and stood out in international rugby in the past. He deserves a bit of acknowledgement for his past achievements. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 08.11.11 12:28:09 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 80) : Did Muzi hit a sensitive spot there?

  • Comment 82, posted at 08.11.11 12:30:27 by Ben Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 81) :

    Has never strung 2 good performances together in test rugby.

    And when he’s been good, it’s been his ball-carrying when given a bit of space. The things you’d expect to see from him as a number-8 are terrible.

    He just can’t put his head down and gain yards, and he’s one of the worst defenders in Super Rugby.

    He’s so fast because he’s got chicken legs. All that muscle is in his upper-body, but has sweet f-all leg strength.

  • Comment 83, posted at 08.11.11 12:32:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 82) :

    I’m just sick of provincialism hey.

  • Comment 84, posted at 08.11.11 12:33:26 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 78) : Schalk has had better days in the past. He is still a good player but when he was at his peak one of the things I loved about him was that whenever he carried a ball into contact a) despite his upright position, he would never drop it b)the ball would always be recycled. He used to be a machine. There was a home game against Aus in which he played so well on attack and D, that I thought no matter how consistently well McHardCaw or George Smith played, they could never reach that same level he did that day.

    He was a bit indiscipled tho – use to end up in the bin a lot.

  • Comment 85, posted at 08.11.11 12:34:40 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 84) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 08.11.11 12:35:44 by Ben Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 85) :

    Never quite the same after he broke his neck.

    I remember in 2006 after the Scotland test (when he broke his neck) he was such a vital part of the team (and pretty much unstoppable). I was convinced that France would win the next test (with Schalk being out) I put NZ$2,000 on it.

    That paid for my flights to Europe. :lol:

    Schalk at his very best was for me, the best player I’d ever seen.

    Since then he’s just been very good.

  • Comment 87, posted at 08.11.11 12:39:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 84) : Just remember to practice what you preach. Just saying. ;)

  • Comment 88, posted at 08.11.11 12:42:28 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 88) :

    You won’t see provincialism from me pal.

  • Comment 89, posted at 08.11.11 12:47:07 by hendrikp Reply

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  • why is everyone so worked up about Stander and Arno Botha? They’re just good young players, but hardly world beaters.

  • Comment 90, posted at 08.11.11 12:53:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hendrikp is part of the wp brigade that includes mark keohane..cardinelli..oh yes grant 10 add tank lanning they all think schalk burger should be bok captain and 8thman burger is the poster boy of SA rugby magazine.

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.11.11 12:59:02 by Muzi Reply

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  • I actually like provincialism from the teams point of view :mrgreen: but it will never stop me praising or being a fan of good players from the other teams.

  • Comment 92, posted at 08.11.11 12:59:32 by beet Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) :

    It’s tough not being excited if you live in Pretoria, and all you want is to desperately improve on Stegmann, Potgieter & Spies.

    I’m willing to forgive and forget :lol:

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.11.11 13:00:29 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Rob Dylan why is everyone worked on Piet Lindeque who was outplayed by Ulrich Beyers and got substituted for not producing the goods ?

  • Comment 94, posted at 08.11.11 13:01:53 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 91) :

    Actually, I believe Juan Smith should be Springbok captain. I can’t think of anyone more worthy.

    Saying that, if he’s not fit I can’t see anybody else deserving of the role outside of Schalk.

  • Comment 95, posted at 08.11.11 13:01:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 91) : Muzi, there are so many good rugby talk to focus on. Don’t get bogged down in the personal negativity. :razz:

  • Comment 96, posted at 08.11.11 13:02:11 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 92) :

    Good man. I’m in the same boat, at least in my opinion.

  • Comment 97, posted at 08.11.11 13:03:25 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 94) : The reason is that the Sharks fans are desperate for a solution to our centre problem and altho many have never watched Piet play, he represents a hope of a change in fortunes in midfield.

  • Comment 98, posted at 08.11.11 13:03:48 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 96) :

    He’s a good yarn.

    But I’d say I’m very far from being part of that ‘WP brigade’.

  • Comment 99, posted at 08.11.11 13:05:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Oh yes Rob Dylan will never forgive Dawie Theron for not selecting Marcell Coetzee in the junior rugby world cup.

  • Comment 100, posted at 08.11.11 13:05:49 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 98) :

    Put it perfectly.

    Sharks fans are desperate. :lol:

  • Comment 101, posted at 08.11.11 13:07:38 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp finally you talk some common sense about Juan.

  • Comment 102, posted at 08.11.11 13:07:52 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 72) : Thats harsh dude, how can you say that about anyone

  • Comment 103, posted at 08.11.11 13:07:53 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Clayton well deal with hehe

  • Comment 104, posted at 08.11.11 13:09:40 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 94) : Muzi no one is worked on Piet Lindeque. You are sucking this out of your thumb.

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.11.11 13:10:00 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 100) :

    That had to do with Marcell Coetzee being with the Sharks Super Rugby side. He was unavailable for training camps.

    The 3 stormers front-rowers (Kitshoff, Ntubeni & Malherbe) were in the same boat. Apparently Erasmus had a few strong words to say about that.

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.11.11 13:10:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 106) :

    Same story with Jaco Taute now that I think about it.

    Taute only ended up going as an injury replacement.

  • Comment 107, posted at 08.11.11 13:11:06 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Beet no disrespect about lindeque he was on par with venter when he made SA schools in 2009 but i am starting to have doubts about him making the step up when he got the ball he did nt impress alot of people.

  • Comment 108, posted at 08.11.11 13:12:06 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 102) :

    I always talk sense.

    You just have me stereo-typed as a typical Province supporter is all! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 109, posted at 08.11.11 13:12:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 101) : Ja it’s easy for you to say.

    Province churns out centres like a Chinese factory these days. :mrgreen:

    Man if only you didn’t have Malherbe and S.Kitshoff, you’d understand the desperation I’m talking about :mrgreen:

  • Comment 110, posted at 08.11.11 13:13:11 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 91) : Who would you have as the next Bok captain?

  • Comment 111, posted at 08.11.11 13:14:27 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • You are all wrong, Puke will be the next Bok captain and No8, Pieter de Villiers will be reappointed as Bok coach, Bryce Lawrence will take over from Paddy O Brien and Justine Bieber will take over the World

  • Comment 112, posted at 08.11.11 13:14:34 by Mutley Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 112) : pass the crack pipe… you’re hogging

  • Comment 113, posted at 08.11.11 13:15:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 112) :

    You might enjoy this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au-5–gDhmc

  • Comment 114, posted at 08.11.11 13:16:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp whats allister coetzees job then because to me it looks like Rassie is in charge as head coach

  • Comment 115, posted at 08.11.11 13:16:15 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 105) : Think outside the realms of the Sharksworld blog.

    Many Sharks fans see Piet as a solution to the problem.

  • Comment 116, posted at 08.11.11 13:16:28 by beet Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 112) : And then the acid tip wore off and all was well with the world.

  • Comment 117, posted at 08.11.11 13:16:32 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 110) :

    Haha I’m sure I would!

    All have that desperation around finding a good fetcher. Outside of the Cheetahs of course.

  • Comment 118, posted at 08.11.11 13:18:16 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Clayton my next Bok captain would be Juan.

  • Comment 119, posted at 08.11.11 13:18:45 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 115) :

    Rassie doesn’t even coach as far as I’m aware my man. He’s an analyst of sorts.

    Allister is the man who’s out on the training field.

  • Comment 120, posted at 08.11.11 13:19:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 119) : Ok fine, but with Juan spending 3 quarters of the time injured/concussed who would your captain be?

  • Comment 121, posted at 08.11.11 13:20:10 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 119) :

    What if Juan was not available?

  • Comment 122, posted at 08.11.11 13:20:30 by hendrikp Reply

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  • If sharks supporters think Piet is the solution then be prepared to wait another season or two unlike the bulls we know what we have in venter..small smith serfontein and swanepoel.

  • Comment 123, posted at 08.11.11 13:21:55 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 115) : Rassie doesn’t couch , in fact he is hardly ever at the HPC.

  • Comment 124, posted at 08.11.11 13:22:34 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 116) : Yup I’m sure many see him as a solution. Or hope for it more.

    But I’ve never heard anyone talk him up to be the next Jaque Fourie. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 125, posted at 08.11.11 13:23:15 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 123) :

    Bit quick on Swanepoel.

  • Comment 126, posted at 08.11.11 13:24:05 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp and Clayton so Rassie is basically doing the samething as Meyer right ?

  • Comment 127, posted at 08.11.11 13:24:25 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 124) : Seeing that he doesn’t couch? Does he at least bench? :lol:

  • Comment 128, posted at 08.11.11 13:25:06 by Ben Reply

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  • Funny video, but on serious note, Juan Smith is the best option for Captain but you have Burger, Brussow and Smith, one will have to bench unless you play Smith at No8

  • Comment 129, posted at 08.11.11 13:25:20 by Mutley Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 127) :

    Well that is the job he’s been given. His title is to oversee rugby at all levels. He’s not been appointed as a coach.

    Anyway, who is your captain after Juan Smith?

  • Comment 130, posted at 08.11.11 13:25:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 123) : that’s a bit of a leap… how much senior rugby have you seen small-smith, serfontein or swanepoel play?

    Muzi, don’t take this wrong, but you’ve got an unhealthy obsession with schoolboy players. Just cos a guys in great at under 18 level doesn’t automatically translate to longevity or success at senior level.

    Give Piet his due, he’s been a regular starter at 13 for the Sharks under 21 side all season despite only turning 20 at the beginning of the year. A 20-year-old player excelling in senior rugby is the exception, not the norm and it is simply WRONG to imply that there is anything unusual or slow in Piet’s development.

    Let’s wait and see your mate Venter get through a season of Super Rugby as well, before we start talking about what a great player he is. All he has to his name at this stage is a few reasonable performances in a very weak Currie Cup competition. Ditto Arno Botha. Ditto Johan Goosen, now that we think about it.

  • Comment 131, posted at 08.11.11 13:26:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hendrikp sorry yea im abit quick on small smith and swanepoel.

  • Comment 132, posted at 08.11.11 13:26:49 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 127) : Rassie is more like a Football manager.

  • Comment 133, posted at 08.11.11 13:27:04 by Ben Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 129) :

    Smith last played at 8 under Straueli, and his control at the back of the scrum was absolutely terrible.

    He moved back to the blindside for a reason! :grin:

  • Comment 134, posted at 08.11.11 13:27:20 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 129) : Smith can never be Bok captain… the due is literally ONE concussion away from hanging up his boots entirely. He is simply never fit.

    Schalk Burger is the man.

  • Comment 135, posted at 08.11.11 13:27:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 132) : and serfonetin

  • Comment 136, posted at 08.11.11 13:28:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 128) : Jassis, and thats something i always have a quiet chuckle about when other people do it.

  • Comment 137, posted at 08.11.11 13:29:20 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Hendrikp i will be the first bulls supporter to say this but i was not happy about the way Meyer cleaned up shop its like he panicked and decided enough is enough we need to spend.

  • Comment 138, posted at 08.11.11 13:29:43 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 137) : :)

  • Comment 139, posted at 08.11.11 13:29:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Schalk Burger is not a great Captain, great player but not as captain

  • Comment 140, posted at 08.11.11 13:31:56 by Mutley Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 137) : :lol:

  • Comment 141, posted at 08.11.11 13:32:12 by Ben Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 135) :

    I’m happy to take it on a year-by-year basis. In 2012, if Juan is available, it needs to be him.

    But yes, otherwise Schalk is the man.

    But I’m still waiting for what muzi thinks.

    Might choke on my midnight snack if he says Dewald Potgieter :lol:

  • Comment 142, posted at 08.11.11 13:32:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 131) :

    well played sir !!!!

  • Comment 143, posted at 08.11.11 13:33:22 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 138) :

    He did well in a few cases.

    Just needs to go further and ditch some of those younger players who don’t make the cut either!

  • Comment 144, posted at 08.11.11 13:34:12 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Rob Dylan deal with it boet Piet came to durban as the golden boy at 13 touted as the next big thing at outside centre like me i though this year was his time but he has been jumped by jordaan and watching Beyers slice through him did nt impress alot of people.

  • Comment 145, posted at 08.11.11 13:34:24 by Muzi Reply

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  • Rassie had no choice but to let sadie and co leave or else etsebeth..roux were going to join the bulls

  • Comment 146, posted at 08.11.11 13:36:30 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 145) :

    Next Bok captain (if Juan were to retire/get injured)?

    Come on muzi, I know you’re ignoring this question.

  • Comment 147, posted at 08.11.11 13:37:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • The good news for sharks supporters is that Paul Jordaan is in the super 15 squad so he may get some minutes on the park.

  • Comment 148, posted at 08.11.11 13:38:30 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 146) :

    We all know Heyneke offered Sadie a deal that would rival any players contract in SA.

    Stormers weren’t going to pay him the same sort of money when we’ve still got de Jongh & Fourie, no way. Especially not with the future superstar (will be best centre in the world) JP du Plessis coming through. :lol:

  • Comment 149, posted at 08.11.11 13:39:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 147) : This is aMUZIng! :lol:

  • Comment 150, posted at 08.11.11 13:39:34 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 145) : how has he been jumped by Jordaan? Jordaan’s playing flyhalf… if he’d been jumped by Jordaan, then surely Jordaan would be at 13 and Piet benched?

  • Comment 151, posted at 08.11.11 13:39:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 148) :

    How you know he’s been included?

  • Comment 152, posted at 08.11.11 13:39:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp my bok and bulls captain would be Juandre Kruger at lock but we all know thats not going to happen

  • Comment 153, posted at 08.11.11 13:40:41 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 148) : Paul Jordaan isn’t ready for SR yet imho.

  • Comment 154, posted at 08.11.11 13:41:08 by Ben Reply

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  • Hendrikp that jp du plessis is some talent

  • Comment 155, posted at 08.11.11 13:42:49 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 153) :

    damit … i just snorted milk on my keyboard …..

    cleanup in isle 4 …

  • Comment 156, posted at 08.11.11 13:43:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 153) :

    Bulls bias or what! That’s definitely not going to happen.

    We’d end up with Andries Bekker in a Bismarck situation.

  • Comment 157, posted at 08.11.11 13:43:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben say that again boet haha

  • Comment 158, posted at 08.11.11 13:43:58 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 155) :

    Yup he’ll be good.

    Hopefully make a good replacement for Sadie when the 2012 Currie Cup starts.

  • Comment 159, posted at 08.11.11 13:45:05 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Zibbie thats nt even funny

  • Comment 160, posted at 08.11.11 13:45:12 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 148) : Where did you get this info? The Super 15 squads have not been announced yet. As far as I know Paul signed a two year Bok sevens contract in matric and will only be available for the Sharks for the Currie cup, same as this year.

  • Comment 161, posted at 08.11.11 13:46:29 by war1 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 154) :

    Jordaan could potentially do a job at flyhalf IMO.

    Probably not ready for it as a centre though. Requires something a little different in that position.

  • Comment 162, posted at 08.11.11 13:46:40 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 160) :

    While we at it why dont we make Josh Strauss captain ?

  • Comment 163, posted at 08.11.11 13:46:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 160) : Yup not as funny as your Bok captain suggestion..

  • Comment 164, posted at 08.11.11 13:47:27 by Ben Reply

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  • Hendrikp just hope nienaber works with van den heever the dude is lazy on defence also i do nt like his attitude fix that head

  • Comment 165, posted at 08.11.11 13:48:05 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 162) : His defence is what worries me.

  • Comment 166, posted at 08.11.11 13:49:30 by Ben Reply

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  • The only guys I would imagine are pretty much sure things for a Springbok starting spot (presumably) – the only ones who should be considered as captain for 2012, are:

    - Bismarck du Plessis
    - Jannie du Plessis
    - Andries Bekker
    - Heinrich Brussow
    - Juan Smith
    - Schalk Burger
    - Francois Hougaard
    - Patrick Lambie
    - Francois Steyn
    - Jaque Fourie
    - JP Pietersen

    Obviously many of those aren’t captaincy material, so you’re left with Burger, Smith, and I think when he’s a more senior player, Patrick Lambie.

  • Comment 167, posted at 08.11.11 13:49:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Josh Strauss pppffffttt he does nt even look that menacing without his beard.

  • Comment 168, posted at 08.11.11 13:50:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 165) :

    He might well suit the rush defense.

    Was very near the top of the ‘broken tackles’ list for South African backline players in the 2011 Super Rugby campaign, despite not getting plenty of game-time. If I remember correctly, Doppies la Grange was at the top of that list.

  • Comment 169, posted at 08.11.11 13:52:05 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 168) :

    poor Bulls .. so easily intimidated by looks …

  • Comment 170, posted at 08.11.11 13:52:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 163) :

    Haha, good one.

  • Comment 171, posted at 08.11.11 13:52:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Ag lets all make the lions players bok players because they won the currie cup.

  • Comment 172, posted at 08.11.11 13:53:42 by Muzi Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 161) : except Rudolf has refused to release him to Sevens this year

  • Comment 173, posted at 08.11.11 13:55:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 161) : I’ve also that Paul is in the wider S15 group for 2011 and presumably Piet is not. It comes out of Grey Bloem circles so I’m not sure if just inside info and not official yet. Rob might know.

  • Comment 174, posted at 08.11.11 13:55:43 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 172) :

    hahah jealous much ? :mrgreen:

    nah ill wait till we have a good super 15 before calling for that . but if we have a decant super 15 im hoping a few guys will make it .

  • Comment 175, posted at 08.11.11 13:56:06 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 172) : Got a better idea. Let’s make all the Bulls U21 players Boks because they won the U21 Currie Cup.

  • Comment 176, posted at 08.11.11 13:56:09 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 172) :

    Good call. Sums up the Lions supporters psyche perfectly.

  • Comment 177, posted at 08.11.11 13:57:25 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 175) :

    A few?

    You mean JC Janse van Rensburg, Bandise Maku, Pat Cilliers, CJ van der Linde, Franco van der Merwe, Derick Minnie, Michael Rhodes, Warren Whiteley, Joshua Strauss, Michael Bondesio (reserve scrumhalf), Elton Jantjies, Doppies la Grange, Alwyn Hollenbach, Michael Killian & Jaco Taute?

  • Comment 178, posted at 08.11.11 13:59:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Zibbie you got me there haha

  • Comment 179, posted at 08.11.11 13:59:24 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 176) :

    Not all, but maybe Francois Venter will keep Jean de Villiers out! Really depends on how much game-time he gets hey.

  • Comment 180, posted at 08.11.11 14:01:37 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Lions players will make the bok jersey CHEAP.

  • Comment 181, posted at 08.11.11 14:01:53 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 177) :

    if province won the currie cup with the young guns . would you have called for some of the to be in the Bok squad ? or not ?

  • Comment 182, posted at 08.11.11 14:01:59 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 174) : these squads and groups change on an almost weekly basis… I’m not really too stressed about who is there and who isn’t. I’d be very surprised if Paul wasn’t in there… I mean, he was even named in the Currie Cup squad this year! Doesn’t mean he played.

    I remember all the fuss about Piet started last year when he and Jaco van Tonder were called up to train with the seniors. If memory serves, both player were named in the Currie Cup squad last year as well…

  • Comment 183, posted at 08.11.11 14:03:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • guys…. let’s all just settle down, ok? I’m sure Muzi is just taking the p*ss here… he can’t seriously mean most of the stuff he’s saying.

  • Comment 184, posted at 08.11.11 14:04:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ben the sharks under 21s looked chicken scared in the final the just could nt handle arno..cj..venter..and stander.Bullied boet

  • Comment 185, posted at 08.11.11 14:04:38 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 182) :

    Not.

    I’ve said I believe Nick Koster, with more game time, will have a breakout season in 2012 and play for the Boks long before the CC started.

    Sadie I also think is worthy of being there.

    The others, no.

  • Comment 186, posted at 08.11.11 14:05:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Rob Dylan im a bulls supporter what the hell do you expect im blogging with you sharkies

  • Comment 187, posted at 08.11.11 14:06:27 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 178) :

    hahah yessssssssss :mrgreen:

    no thats not what im saying … lol .. for one id like to see Taute there .

    and maybe be crazy and take strauss as captain .. build a team around him .. who knows .. we might win a the next world cup …

    ill have frans steyn at 12 . lambie @ 10 , Hougard at 9 , beast jannie bismark 1,2,3. Bekker @ 5 . go crazy and have elkestad @ 4

  • Comment 188, posted at 08.11.11 14:07:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 181) :

    If they were selected, yes.

    But it won’t happen. You need a wider skill-set to play test rugby. Playing CC rugby won’t win you games versus Australia & New Zealand.

  • Comment 189, posted at 08.11.11 14:07:12 by hendrikp Reply

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  • your all biased the lot of you !! Especially hendrikp ,leave muzi alone -all the bulls should be boks any way . Butch James is the greatest springbok flyhalf of all time ,shcalk burger is the second best springbok ever and jannie du plesis will be the next bok captain!!

  • Comment 190, posted at 08.11.11 14:08:28 by Talent Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 188) :

    Definitely not Josh Strauss my man, but I could go for Taute.

    I still think Taute’s defensive positioning is shocking though, or at least it was in Super Rugby. Would only look at bringing him into the 22 if Lambie wasn’t available to play at 15.

  • Comment 191, posted at 08.11.11 14:08:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Zibbie the lions will do well next year no one will get easy points at ellis park.

  • Comment 192, posted at 08.11.11 14:08:40 by Muzi Reply

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  • Zibbie the lions will do well next year in the super15 no one will get easy points at ellis park.

  • Comment 193, posted at 08.11.11 14:09:17 by Muzi Reply

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  • Peace brothers :!:

  • Comment 194, posted at 08.11.11 14:09:32 by Talent Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 191) :

    Taute not being a fullback at school is very obvious!

    Just the anticipation… that ‘feel’ isn’t always there.

    Same issue I had with SBW as a 12. Excellent player, but sometimes doesn’t play the role you want him to.

  • Comment 195, posted at 08.11.11 14:11:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 195) : Lambie is an exceptional fielder and a clever kicker ,something Taute is not ,but it is something that can be learnt and im looking forward to seeing Tatue in the green and gold some day @ 15.

  • Comment 196, posted at 08.11.11 14:13:10 by Talent Reply
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  • If I had to pick a Lions player best suited to play test rugby, I’d go with JC Janse van Rensburg.

    It’s just a shame for him that we have a wealth of good loosehead props in SA.

  • Comment 197, posted at 08.11.11 14:13:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Jaco Taute should play outside centre but he is dodgy on defence like bradley moolman.

  • Comment 198, posted at 08.11.11 14:14:18 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 191) :

    thats why i said ‘if we have a good super 15′. if not then we will have to go with province sharks and a few cheetahs ;)

  • Comment 199, posted at 08.11.11 14:14:18 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 196) :

    First thing you’ve said in a while that I can say I agree with 100%.

  • Comment 200, posted at 08.11.11 14:14:41 by hendrikp Reply

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  • here we go… the first time we ever made mention of Piet Lindeque on Sharksworld… http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/06/04/no-cronje-for-currie-cup/

  • Comment 201, posted at 08.11.11 14:15:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 198) :

    lets see what he does in SR .

  • Comment 202, posted at 08.11.11 14:16:26 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 198) :

    Bradley Moolman was just thick.

    Him and Skosan cost us that game versus England in the Junior World Champs. Bloody terrible.

  • Comment 203, posted at 08.11.11 14:16:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 200) : Condescending with your praise ,nice guy.

  • Comment 204, posted at 08.11.11 14:16:38 by Talent Reply
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  • The bulls will win the currie cup next year because all our players will be be deemed surplus for running rugby.Expect lions and cheetahs to dominate team selection.

  • Comment 205, posted at 08.11.11 14:18:23 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 205) :

    Bit quick on that.

    If I had to pick a winner right now though, I’d also go with the Bulls.

  • Comment 206, posted at 08.11.11 14:21:47 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 101) : hey hey ;)

  • Comment 207, posted at 08.11.11 14:23:05 by Franshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 201) :

    So ‘boerseun’ was the one to bring Piet Lindeque’s big reputation to SharksWorld.

    It’s written.

  • Comment 208, posted at 08.11.11 14:23:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 207) :

    You know it’s true!

    Not often the fifth-choice centre from another province being signed brings a little hope!

  • Comment 209, posted at 08.11.11 14:25:07 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp its true boet bulls players will have to play out of their skins in order to get selected for the bok side again.

  • Comment 210, posted at 08.11.11 14:27:32 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 209) : yea I know, not necessary to SCREAM it out…I’m that desperate ill take the creek from province and make him center ;)

  • Comment 211, posted at 08.11.11 14:28:01 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 210) :

    Depends who you’re referring to.

    Many of them shouldn’t have been there in the first place. I’m talking Dean Greyling, Werner Kruger, Deon Stegmann, Dewald Potgieter, Bjorn Basson & Zane Kirchner.

    Flip van der Merwe also has something to prove. I still reckon he’s got it in him. Now it’s up to him.

    Wynand Olivier & Pierre Spies were also worthy Springboks. Spies has been overtaken though, while Olivier doesn’t quite suit what the Boks want to do. He’s been criticized far more then deserved though.

    And Morne Steyn probably won’t make it again, as the game has outgrown him. He could of course go back to being an attacking flyhalf though, but I can’t see him being effective in that role, and his defense isn’t ideal (although, neither is Jantjies – Lambie is by far the best defender in 10 channel).

    I’m still backing the majority of these to be Springboks:
    - Chiliboy Ralepelle – definite
    - Flip van der Merwe
    - Juandre Kruger
    - Francois Hougaard – definite
    - Johann Sadie
    - Francois Venter

  • Comment 212, posted at 08.11.11 14:34:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 211) :

    When you’ve got people calling for Jacques-Louis Potgieter to play centre. The guy who played at prop throughout school and looks like he should still be playing there.

    Then you know you’re desperate.

  • Comment 213, posted at 08.11.11 14:35:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp: is jp dup staying at weepee?

  • Comment 214, posted at 08.11.11 14:36:59 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 214) :

    No idea hey! Guess we’ll find out when the Stormers provisional-squad gets announced.

  • Comment 215, posted at 08.11.11 14:39:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 210) :

    Hey muzi,

    Any idea of Morne Mellett & Zane Botha have been included in the Bulls preparations for 2012 Super Rugby?

  • Comment 216, posted at 08.11.11 15:04:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 198) : How can you say that 2/3rds of Bradley’s reputation was build on his ability to tackle.

  • Comment 217, posted at 08.11.11 15:10:55 by beet Reply

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  • Hendrikp Morne Mallet will has recovered from his long term injury he should be in the squad.I am still not sure about zane the bulls will soon announce the new senior squad i hope he makes it.

  • Comment 218, posted at 08.11.11 15:13:42 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 216) :

    For that matter, Lohan Jacobs & Louis Fouché also?

    Every side needs 3 hookers & 3 scrumhalves these days! Not sure where the Bulls will go in those positions as their 3rd option.

  • Comment 219, posted at 08.11.11 15:15:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 185) : At one stage in the u21 final, the score was 36-30 with about 10min to go and we looked like we’d gained the upperhand. I wud like to have seen how comfortable and confident you were then :razz: . That final wasn’t a walk in the park for the Bulls. Had we opted to go for field positions rather than long range goals earlier on, who knows, we could have been champs today.

    I’m not taking anything away from the Bulls. Guys like Venter and Botha were class acts but it but we had our chances.

  • Comment 220, posted at 08.11.11 15:16:50 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 218) :

    Cheers for that.

  • Comment 221, posted at 08.11.11 15:17:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 218) :

    Did a bit of research. Far as I can gather Zane Botha was part of the training group for the Bulls Currie Cup squad, but just never got on the field.

    I’m going to go ahead and assume that he’ll still be part of it, as long as his contract has not run out, with Gary Botha departing.

  • Comment 222, posted at 08.11.11 15:23:34 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 203) : what about Taute’s futile attempted tackle on Christian Wade which resulted in a try. That effectively decided the game. I thought both Frans Malherbe and Steven Kitshoff should have gone to that tournament. Surprised that they were not released by the Stormers

  • Comment 223, posted at 08.11.11 15:26:56 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @beet: our u21s also mustve showed some fighting spirit in the final-they were down by a bit and then came back at the bulls.if you scared,then you don’t fight back,you runaway.how was chris cloete in the final ?

  • Comment 224, posted at 08.11.11 15:27:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • Beet bradley was great at school sadly he is not what the bulls are looking for inconsistency and size counted against him.Meyer decided to keep Beyers who has the ability to break the line,bust tackles and adapt to our new style we are implementing as we saw with Pines bulls side.I know you are a massive blommetjies fan but i watched him against prinsloo lets me honest he really did not look the beez neez he gets tackled too easily its his size i have an issue with without a doubt a very talented player but long term id look at beyers at full back.Also youngsters who get offered bulls contract should forget about money and think which union will best suite their talents not all youngsters will become a success at the bulls.I am sure willa..dries ..serfontein will make the grade.

  • Comment 225, posted at 08.11.11 15:29:01 by Muzi Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 224) : I think Prinsloo missed about 5 kicks in the game which was pretty costly. Cloete started on the bench for the final

  • Comment 226, posted at 08.11.11 15:30:45 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Anyway I’ll be hoping for something like this for a Bulls 30-man squad:

    1 Dean Greyling, Morné Mellett
    2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, Willie Wepener, Zane Botha
    3 Werner Kruger, Rossouw de Klerk
    4 Flip van der Merwe
    5 Juandré Kruger, Wilhelm Steenkamp
    6 Deon Stegmann
    7 Jacques Potgieter, Arno Botha, Dewald Potgieter
    8 Pierre Spies, CJ Stander
    9 Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak, Lohan Jacobs
    10 Morné Steyn, Lionel Cronjé, Louis Fouché
    11 JJ Engelbrecht
    12 Wynand Olivier, Francois Venter
    13 Johann Sadie
    14 Bjorn Basson, Akona Ndungane
    15 Zane Kirchner, Ulrich Beyers

    - Of course if I had my way completely I’d get Frik Kirsten in to replace the waste of space that is Werner Kruger.

  • Comment 227, posted at 08.11.11 15:30:50 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @muzi: who is the bulls conditioning coach?

  • Comment 228, posted at 08.11.11 15:32:56 by bergshark Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 223) :

    They were released by the Stormers, but not for the ‘training camps’ leading up to it.

    Erasmus did all he could to try get Theron to take them, and then apparently was very angry about them not being included.

    Yes Taute did miss a tackle, but we had so many opportunities to break out and score that were completely messed up by Moolman & Skosan.

  • Comment 229, posted at 08.11.11 15:33:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 225) : Do you think Gerrit-Zan van Velze will be cut loose? He’s got competition with CJ Stander and Arno Botha ahead of him.

    Re Moolman, I’m sure Mitchell can bring the best out of him at the Lions

  • Comment 230, posted at 08.11.11 15:34:25 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Hendrikp thanx bud old ian schwartz our high performance manager rates zane alot….lionel cronje will be back up to morne.Fouche is talented and irratic he will jol in the vodacom cup for game time.Lohan has nt impressed me at all i hope we see more of rudi van rooyen the kid has something special about him.

  • Comment 231, posted at 08.11.11 15:34:35 by Muzi Reply

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  • Slammerboy boet i have no idea what they will do with van velze the bulls scout xander is keeping his mouth quiet on twitter these days.

  • Comment 232, posted at 08.11.11 15:37:53 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 229) : I watched a couple of the SAU20 games this year and noticed a couple of things. Apart from Etzebeth we lacked size in the second row. i mean Theron selected Jean Cook, a looseforward at lock. Also, from what i saw Francois venter was pretty greedy with the ball. No cricicism against the player as he has a huge future ahead of him he just needed to spin the ball a bit more

  • Comment 233, posted at 08.11.11 15:38:55 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 231) :

    Might be a bit early to go including Rudi van Rooyen though.

    Time to throw Lohan in the deep end and see if he swims.

    I’m no big fan of Fouché personally, but again a case of having to have 3 players that can cover a position. He’d act as cover if either Cronjé or Steyn got injured, while playing Vodacom Cup the rest of the time.

  • Comment 234, posted at 08.11.11 15:39:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Bergshark the conditioning coach is old basil carzis.

  • Comment 235, posted at 08.11.11 15:39:32 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 232) : i think can velze will leave. He’ll go the same was as Wium Arlow and disappear into obscurity. A month ago I said Watermeyer would leave because of how you guys are hording and buying the best centre talent in the country. Didnt think Dippenaar would focus on sevens

  • Comment 236, posted at 08.11.11 15:43:06 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 233) :

    Can’t blame a player for probably playing the way he was asked to. Not exactly like the Baby Boks looked dangerous out wide!

    With Cook. That was a result of the injury to Ruan Venter, who initially started that game vs Australia, but got injured early on. Venter is BIG. No doubt he’ll crack the Lions squad in the next couple of years. Again eligible for the Baby Boks in 2012.

  • Comment 237, posted at 08.11.11 15:43:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp barend van graan keeps saying hougaard has a bulls contract but we both know hougaard will joing wp next year.That is why the bulls got vermaak.

  • Comment 238, posted at 08.11.11 15:44:08 by Muzi Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 236) :

    Bulls probably need another centre NOW, not a year or two from now. Not sure what they’ll do if any 2 of Venter, Olivier or Sadie were to go down for example.

  • Comment 239, posted at 08.11.11 15:46:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 238) :

    Not so sure, but if that’s the case I’d be very happy :grin:

    Good attacking scrumhalves are very hard to come by.

  • Comment 240, posted at 08.11.11 15:48:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Slammerboy watermeyer and dippernaars problems were none other than jaco pretorius who in my honest opinion should have been dropped to give those two a chance.

  • Comment 241, posted at 08.11.11 15:48:32 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 237) : Forgot about that injury. Ruan Venter will develop into a top player. The Lions U19 teams had some top locks this year – Paul Willemse, Ruan Botha and Ettienne Oosthuizen

  • Comment 242, posted at 08.11.11 15:50:08 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Hendrikp kirchner will slot in at 13 or engelbrecht for that matter.

  • Comment 243, posted at 08.11.11 15:51:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • Slammerboy and hendrikp what do you guys think about the bulls under 19 lock schalk van heerden wickus brother.

  • Comment 244, posted at 08.11.11 15:53:41 by Muzi Reply

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  • Slammerboy can you believe it ruan botha did not get selected by dawie theron.

  • Comment 245, posted at 08.11.11 15:55:28 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 234) : Would Lohan Jacobs have gone to the Junior Champs this year if Ricky Schroeder hadn’t damaged his knee?

  • Comment 246, posted at 08.11.11 15:55:54 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 243) :

    Don’t think Engelbrecht can play there. Poolman was a centre, but Engelbrecht was only a part-time fullback I believe.

    Can’t think the Bulls would win any games with Kirchner at 13 either :lol:

    @Muzi (Comment 244) :

    Don’t know anything about him.

  • Comment 247, posted at 08.11.11 15:56:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 246) :

    Probably. Well he was part of the squad the year before as well, so they must’ve seen something in him!

  • Comment 248, posted at 08.11.11 15:57:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Slammerboy i dnt think so lohan was a back up to rademann and schruder

  • Comment 249, posted at 08.11.11 16:02:10 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 245) : Surprising Theron select him in his group of 100! Schalk van Heerden was selected. I didnt watch the U19 final. Did Ruan Botha play

  • Comment 250, posted at 08.11.11 16:04:48 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Hendrikp where on earth is stokkies hanekom he was jolling with sadie in that great wp under 21 side.

  • Comment 251, posted at 08.11.11 16:04:58 by Muzi Reply

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  • Slammerboy Ruan Botha was the star on the field he dominated the bulls marvin orie and van heerden at line out time.He was immense in the tight and loose play that is why the lions won.

  • Comment 252, posted at 08.11.11 16:07:55 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 252) : Surprising then that both Oosthuizen and Willemse have been selected ahead of him. Id expect Ruan Venter and Pieter Steph du Toit to be definites in next years squad.

  • Comment 253, posted at 08.11.11 16:16:03 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Pieter and Ruan will start and then willemse,jacques du plessis and schalk van heerden will fight it out to be back up .

  • Comment 254, posted at 08.11.11 16:20:54 by Muzi Reply

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  • oh look – another thread ends up being about young Bulls players that I don’t care about :mrgreen:

  • Comment 255, posted at 08.11.11 16:35:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 237) : That whole JWC lock selection issue was a big oversight by Theron this year.
    1 – it showed how poor the identification structures are. Jean Cook has turned out to be a very average lineout player and 2 – he was 1 of only 3 locks in the squad???

  • Comment 256, posted at 08.11.11 16:48:57 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 256) : Was a steep learning curve for Theron. He’ll be much better placed next year with the resources in the 2nd row. To be honest with the squad he’ll get to work next year if we lose to England again I’ll be disappointed.

  • Comment 257, posted at 08.11.11 16:52:42 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 225) : I’m actually not a Blommetjies fan at all. I just thought that he wasn’t getting enough credit for being an exciting player who was capable of opening up a junior defence with his speed and footwork.

  • Comment 258, posted at 08.11.11 16:52:52 by beet Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 257) : But a lot of credit has to be given to the way the English prepare for the JWC. They are a lot better geared so even if we are a better team talent-wise, team-wise they are always going to be up for the challenge.

  • Comment 259, posted at 08.11.11 16:54:51 by beet Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 255) :

    SharksWorld – “Just Rugby, Just for everything robdylan likes to talk about” :lol:

    What would the challenges be in having a forum similar to thesilverfern.com?

    @beet (Comment 256) :

    Yeah not sure what they were thinking. Cook ended up being pretty bad!

  • Comment 260, posted at 08.11.11 16:55:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 259) :

    Hit the nail on the head right there.

    Just like the Lions.

  • Comment 261, posted at 08.11.11 16:57:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 261) : I wanted to ask you this coz people get so put out when our juniors don’t perform to the standard they expect and we all know that rugby expectations in our country are sky high.

    As difficult as this is, pretend for a second that you’re not a Saffa and your life depended on this one:

    Wud you rather be the head coach of the SA Schools for 4 days leading up to their one and only match or
    for 4 weeks be the head coach of the French National u18 squad to tour SA and play 2 matches, the 2nd being the crucial one against the SA Schools?

  • Comment 262, posted at 08.11.11 17:05:58 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 260) : nah – this is a blog, not a forum :)

    I’m just kidding, though… you guys can chat about whatever you like here. I’d far rather you do it here than somewhere else.

    Also always looking for ideas for articles, so if there’s something you want to discuss, let me know… or even better, you can write articles yourself!

  • Comment 263, posted at 08.11.11 17:09:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 262) :

    Ooh. I’d take the French.

    Talent is one thing, but you definitely need time to get them playing the right sort of game. To have each player understanding his role. That takes time.

  • Comment 264, posted at 08.11.11 17:11:16 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 263) :

    :mrgreen:

    @hendrikp (Comment 264) :

    In other words I’m a believer in playing a very structured game, and then allowing players to use their skills within that.

    Things like knowing what to do from a line-out in each situation.

    If I had the players to pull it off, I’d also be putting the ball up in the air unless I really thought I had the sort of backline to run the opposition off their feet. Have never personally had a problem with up-and-unders. Actually thought the Welsh were stupid to try and run it from just inside their own half in that semi-final against France.

    With 4 weeks, you could improve a teams decision-making and precision in what they do by a heck of a lot.

  • Comment 265, posted at 08.11.11 17:15:19 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 259) : The England players are normally better prepared because most of them are already playing for their clubs sides in the Premiership and so have that crucial exposure to physical and demanding rugby.

  • Comment 266, posted at 08.11.11 17:15:52 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 266) :

    Not quite true. Majority of them play for their clubs junior sides I believe.

    They do play a Six Nations tournament before going to the Junior World Champs though, I think!

  • Comment 267, posted at 08.11.11 17:19:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 264) : That was basically what happened this year. The SA Schools team made up of players from all over the country got together on the Tues to prep for a match on the Sat. They still won.

    Your answer is the secret to England’s success at junior level. They’re able to pull the guys out of clubs, put them in their elite programme for x no. of weeks, put them thru the 6N as a team and then head to the RWC.

    Granted being able to select the very best players wud have helped Theron but we need to do a lot more to get onto the front foot heading into the JWC.

    Rob mentioned a reserve league SR. I wud far rather us set up a junior SR. Realistically money wud be an issue tho. The SR takes up most of Fri and Sat TV time so unless they use Sun, it wud be hard to attract a sponsor/s

  • Comment 268, posted at 08.11.11 17:21:31 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 262) : The reality is the French coach gets 4 weeks to spend with the squad because the Northern Hemishpere school year ends in June where as our guys are still playing for their school first teams and then the Craven week sides for a limited time.

  • Comment 269, posted at 08.11.11 17:22:20 by slammerboy Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 266) : I think in some areas the specialised coaching at clubs helps but I honestly believe that England’s ability to ID their best players and have them training and playing as a unit is what levels the playing field.

  • Comment 270, posted at 08.11.11 17:27:03 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 268) :

    True that!

    Junior Super Rugby could work. Here in Australasia they run a tournament called the Toyota Cup. The games are played right before the big NRL games, with each sides junior team competing against each other. Pretty sure it’s an U19 competition.

    Think it would probably work better as an U21 competition for Super Rugby though. Could work if they found a sponsor and showed these on TV to help pay for the costs.

  • Comment 271, posted at 08.11.11 17:31:08 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 269) : Ja. I won’t deny there being circumstances that leads to the situation being the way it is but my point is really that we want to take on teams that the general public expects to beat but in many respects we’re not competing on a level playing field. :smile:

    A French or English fan could quite easily come back at me and say their school structures are nowhere as good as ours to begin with :smile:

  • Comment 272, posted at 08.11.11 17:31:34 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 272) : We talked about provincialism earlier today but I think it wud be beneficial if the Unions got together to discuss a more united way forward with a collective plan and ultimate goal for us to overtake NZ as the world’s permanent no.1 junior and senior rugby team.

    Key to this is obviously getting the best structures in place, the best coaches involved, deciding on the brand of rugby we want the Bok team to play, identifying weaknesses at senior level and then implementing plans to overcome these weaknesses at junior level.

    The goal must be to be the world’s no.1 team period, not just a team that hopes to win the RWC every 4 years.

  • Comment 273, posted at 08.11.11 17:41:36 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 273) : This is a bit surfacey. There is obviously a lot more that goes into it.

  • Comment 274, posted at 08.11.11 17:42:15 by beet Reply

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  • Beet i can not select the backline for next year junior rugby world cup the only two players guaranteed a place are jordaan at 12 and goosen at 10.

  • Comment 275, posted at 08.11.11 17:46:26 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 275) : I’d play Luiters or van Rooyen at 9, Goosen at 10, Jordaan at 12, Serfontein at 13, Tom and Mbovame at wing and maybe Craig Barry at 15. JP du Plessis and William Small-Smith will get a look in at centre.

  • Comment 276, posted at 08.11.11 17:51:23 by slammerboy Reply

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  • Slammerboy let me see id play 9.van rooyen 10.Goosen 11.Mbovane 12.Jordaan 13.Small Smith. 14.Serfontein. 15.Barry

  • Comment 277, posted at 08.11.11 18:00:47 by Muzi Reply

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  • Slammerboy In the forwards id have the following 1.Allen Dell 2.Jason Thomas 3.Kitsoff 4.Venter 5.Steph 6.Liebenberg 7.Jafta 8.Nardus

  • Comment 278, posted at 08.11.11 18:04:58 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 275) :

    Will be interesting. I’m hoping they play Jan Serfontein in the back-three somewhere. Maybe at fullback and move Craig Barry over to the wing.

    @slammerboy (Comment 276) :

    Not Luiters, please!

  • Comment 279, posted at 08.11.11 18:08:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp why nt luiters ? Where is that bishops scrumhalf who played with lleyds last year

  • Comment 280, posted at 08.11.11 18:10:33 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 277) :

    I like that one. Don’t know anything about the halfbacks though so might assume van Rooyen to not be there :razz:

    Maybe if they play Serfontein at 15, we’ll have a replacement for Kirchner lined up :lol:

  • Comment 281, posted at 08.11.11 18:11:55 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp the bulls supporters are dying for a classy full back maybe kirchner must shave his noodles on his head then he will play like the griquas kirchner

  • Comment 282, posted at 08.11.11 18:14:18 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 275) : Coz of the RWC they showed practically no u19 rugby at all. I was able to watch every one of the top 6 teams play at least 1 game but I can’t really do WP, VS or the Leopards much justice.

    A guy like Neill Jordaan must come into the reckoning based on reputation but hopefully the coach is given the opportunity to look past all of this and pick guys who have the ability and are showing the form to back it up.

  • Comment 283, posted at 08.11.11 18:14:19 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 280) :

    Must not have made the WP squad.

    Luiters got an attitude problem, plus little bit I’ve seen of him, overrated.

  • Comment 284, posted at 08.11.11 18:15:38 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 279) : Funny enough I also have reservations about Luiters. He doesn’t seem tough enough for post-school rugby and he doesn’t seem to have a special quality. But then again I thought the same of Schroeder and he led a team to the CC u19 title. So I hope Luiters proves me wrong

  • Comment 285, posted at 08.11.11 18:17:22 by beet Reply

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  • Beet i know we had to watch division 1 under 19s thanx to supersport poor

  • Comment 286, posted at 08.11.11 18:17:24 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 282) :

    Sideshow Bob I will call him from now on.

    A real clown.

  • Comment 287, posted at 08.11.11 18:18:35 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp Guy Whitefield a bloody talented scrumhalf.

  • Comment 288, posted at 08.11.11 18:19:08 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 281) : Muzi is talking about Guy Whitfield, a highly rated scrummy out of Bishops. He must have picked up an injury. I can’t see him being overlooked by WP based on all the positive reviews he got last year.

  • Comment 289, posted at 08.11.11 18:19:55 by beet Reply

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  • There is a talent paarl boys high hooker currently working his way up at the Wp institute he will give Scarra some competition.

  • Comment 290, posted at 08.11.11 18:21:10 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 286) : Do you even still know how to get to Loftus. I got in 5 live games (missed the beginning of just about every one tho :sad: ) and about 3 on TV. It was really poor coverage even u21 and schoolboy rugby coverage must have been at a 10 year low.

  • Comment 291, posted at 08.11.11 18:22:37 by beet Reply

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  • Halfback position seems wide open.

    Remember someone talking up Dillon Smit the other day also.

    Here are the options:
    Gerhard Jordaan – Boland Agricultural School – Western Province
    Rudi van Rooyen – Afrikaans Boys’ High School – Blue Bulls
    Abraham Griesel – Grey College – Blue Bulls
    Nhlanhla Hlongwane – Louis Botha Technical High School – Free State
    Kevin Luiters – Grey College – Free State
    Vian van der Watt – Florida High School – Golden Lions
    Dillon Smit – Middleburg Technical High School – Border Bulldogs
    Mario Noordman – Harmony Sports Academy – Griffons
    Percy Williams – Oudtshoorn High School – SWD Eagles

    Can’t help but think they’re wasting their time with those last two though. Both midgets.

  • Comment 292, posted at 08.11.11 18:22:47 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Beet i hope gavin haupleisch and dylan smit are ready for under 21 rugby very talented players.

  • Comment 293, posted at 08.11.11 18:22:50 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 290) : Freddy Kirsten

  • Comment 294, posted at 08.11.11 18:23:07 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 292) :

    Hlongwane & Williams would both be available in 2013 as well.

  • Comment 295, posted at 08.11.11 18:24:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Beet ill find my way to loftus via the gautrain then take a taxi from hatfield no major problems hehe

  • Comment 296, posted at 08.11.11 18:25:23 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 292) : I really liked that Lions scrummy Vian van der Watt. He’s a real livewire. But he isn’t well known.

    A useless bit of info on Percy Williams is that he started the year in matric but decided to drop back down to gr.11 at Oudtshoorn

  • Comment 297, posted at 08.11.11 18:26:43 by beet Reply

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  • Beet that hooker is stephanus something he played with kitsoff he reminded me of bismark.

  • Comment 298, posted at 08.11.11 18:28:29 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 293) : I wonder if Rob knows what will happen to all those former Zululand Rugby Academy guys like Dillon Smit. I mean surely he joined the ZRA with the view of playing for the Sharks. Now that they’ve upped and moved to EL, where does it leave him? Bound by contract or free to join our Academy in 2012?

  • Comment 299, posted at 08.11.11 18:29:11 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 297) :

    Grades or for rugby?

    They’ve got a problem in NZ at the moment of a lot of top players remaining in school (which I guess is a good thing in a way) as 19-year old’s so they can continue playing rugby there.

    Wellington College has a handful of them every year.

  • Comment 300, posted at 08.11.11 18:29:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 298) : Okay sorry I thought you were referring to Fred Kirsten, the HJS hooker who was tipped for SA Sch but got injured at the start of this season.

  • Comment 301, posted at 08.11.11 18:30:31 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 298) :

    Stephanus Coetzee?

  • Comment 302, posted at 08.11.11 18:31:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Beet we would welcom dillon with open arms that guy can jol.

  • Comment 303, posted at 08.11.11 18:31:31 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 300) : School grade 11 = std 9 = form 5.

    Here you are allowed to play for your school as an u19 but you can’t gain Craven Week selection. Also some old Transvaal tournaments like Beeld have an age restriction in place so no u19.

    Post Matrics are also a big no-no these days.

  • Comment 304, posted at 08.11.11 18:33:07 by beet Reply

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  • Hendrikp yep thats the hooker

  • Comment 305, posted at 08.11.11 18:33:08 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 302) :

    I follow Boys’ High as much as I can. He’s got a big reputation.

    Interesting fact: My dad played hooker for Paarl Boys’ High right up until 1980 (I think), and then for EP junior sides (as far as my mother has told me).

  • Comment 306, posted at 08.11.11 18:33:28 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 304) :

    6th form I think you mean :)

  • Comment 307, posted at 08.11.11 18:34:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 305) : Here’s a tough question. I asked it before but I don’t think you saw it:

    Having seen Affies’ Lohan Jacobs, Poerie (Rudi) van Rooyen and now Carlo Engelbrecht, who do you rate the best as the best SBR of the 3?

  • Comment 308, posted at 08.11.11 18:36:10 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 307) : I was at a school with forms and 6th form was matric back then???

  • Comment 309, posted at 08.11.11 18:37:05 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 308) : Poerie can really frustrate me at times. He has this habit of being too casual and looking disinterested. This sometimes works in his favour tho. Just when one doesn’t expect much from him, he catches opponents offguard.

  • Comment 310, posted at 08.11.11 18:39:56 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 309) :

    Nope 7th form is definitely matric/final year at school/12th grade.

    They only brought ‘forms’ in around the end of the 90′s though I believe. It’s also known as Year 13.

  • Comment 311, posted at 08.11.11 18:40:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 306) : Your dad must have come into contact with some good EP players as a junior. Guys like Danie Gerber and Tino Kankowski. Maybe even Jan Serfontein’s dad Boet.

  • Comment 312, posted at 08.11.11 18:42:16 by beet Reply

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  • Beet i can not answer that question sir

  • Comment 313, posted at 08.11.11 18:42:42 by Muzi Reply

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  • Beet all those 3 scrumhalves have a habit of catching apponents of guard they can pull something special out of nothing.Whoever can put consistent performances will get my vote for now i havent got a clue.

  • Comment 314, posted at 08.11.11 18:45:45 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 312) :

    May have done. I’ve tried googling but found zip :mrgreen: Mother was at school with Tino Kankowski so she’s been raving on about Ryan Kankowski everytime she sees him :|

    @Muzi (Comment 313) :

    All future Springboks hey.

  • Comment 315, posted at 08.11.11 18:47:39 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 313) : I know it was a tough one. I’d like to ask some Affies guys who follow the team. It will be interesting. They’re all different style players but all have that FdP like strong kicking game.

  • Comment 316, posted at 08.11.11 18:47:41 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 314) : No I meant while they were 1st team players at school.

  • Comment 317, posted at 08.11.11 18:48:43 by beet Reply

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  • Carlo reminds of a french scrumhalf he loves flicking inside passes sometimes he does too much on his own.

  • Comment 318, posted at 08.11.11 18:48:57 by Muzi Reply

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  • Beet its hard lohan was superb he was the star player for the affies backline.Rudi and Carlo know each other very well.

  • Comment 319, posted at 08.11.11 18:51:52 by Muzi Reply

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  • Hendrikp one of those 3 scrumhalves will have a Big future i will wait and see who becomes a bok.

  • Comment 320, posted at 08.11.11 18:53:22 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 320) : I like Lohan. He can really command a game when he’s on form. He sometimes reminds me of Kellaher but not enough times.

    Rudi, I’m not sure. I think he’s very capable but I worry about commitment at times.

    I’m keen to see how Carlo goes. Again he has to still do what the other 2 have already done and he wasn’t SA Sch. But I think he could be a special player still.

  • Comment 321, posted at 08.11.11 19:03:31 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 320) :

    Any idea on who or how good that Bulls fullback Juan Nel is?

    And what school he went to?

  • Comment 322, posted at 08.11.11 19:07:49 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Beet im sure you are excited by ungerer do u think they will fast track him.

  • Comment 323, posted at 08.11.11 19:09:13 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 299) : dude… I’m too shit-scared to comment on that point. Let’s just say I’ve been warned not to dig too much or kick up too much a stink about it.

  • Comment 324, posted at 08.11.11 19:12:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • If anyone knows what schools any of these players went to, I’d like to know :)

    Leopards Prop: Cornelius van Zyl
    EP Kings Prop: Ernest Killian
    Sharks Lock: Joseph Lewies
    Leopards Lock: Lodewyk de Jager
    Bulls fullback: Juan Nel

  • Comment 325, posted at 08.11.11 19:13:39 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Hendrikp Juan Nel went to vootrekke in welkom i think he looks very well built he is an attacking full back lots of pace and grunt.On saturday everytime he ran with ball in hand he had lions plays scrambling on defence.

  • Comment 326, posted at 08.11.11 19:14:16 by Muzi Reply

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  • Lewies is from up here in Pta Centurion a very tall athletic lock .

  • Comment 327, posted at 08.11.11 19:15:59 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 323) : I’m not sure. I think an injury free Stefan focusing a lot more attention on rugby is going to be a far different prospect to what we’ve seen this CC u19 season.

    We have another schoolboy Dwayne Kelly who was really good at school level, so he might be the u21 scrummy next year and then there’s also the Fred Zeilinga experiment – I don’t know what to make of this but he was selected at no.9 ahead of a no. of qualified candidates. If Hauptfleisch returns from injury guns blazing in 2012, they might keep Fred at 9. I’m also hoping Dillon Smit comes back our way.

    It’s a tough call. Stefan is certainly good enough to play u21 next year. I’d just like to see him eliminate a habit he has of almost kneeing down at the back of rucks – it worked at SBR level but it’s already proven problematic at u19 level.

  • Comment 328, posted at 08.11.11 19:17:04 by beet Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 325) : Lewies went to Eldoraigne in Centurion. We call him Stephan.

  • Comment 329, posted at 08.11.11 19:22:02 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 326) : Juan Nel a Wynand Olivier wannabe if ever there was one. Same long bleached blonde hairstyle :mrgreen:

  • Comment 330, posted at 08.11.11 19:23:16 by beet Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 327) :

    Cheers I’ll try find the rest by facebook stalking or something :lol:

  • Comment 331, posted at 08.11.11 19:25:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Beet how talented is that tygeberg number 9 andre warner old uncle hugh compared him to fourie du preez

  • Comment 332, posted at 08.11.11 19:25:48 by Muzi Reply

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  • Beet its a Pta thing all the junior players love mullets small smith griesel..pieter oosthuizen rudi hehe the local barber is making a huge profit

  • Comment 333, posted at 08.11.11 19:30:24 by Muzi Reply

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  • you guys ever hear of a player called Giant Nkosi?

    http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAKZDHC/2011/2.html

    Horrible story…

  • Comment 334, posted at 08.11.11 19:33:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob Dylan yep he played against my school he was that big loose forward from st stithians

  • Comment 335, posted at 08.11.11 19:38:39 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 335) : any idea where he is now and who’s looking after him?

  • Comment 336, posted at 08.11.11 19:41:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • Nope he just disappeared from the rugby systen what happened to him ?

  • Comment 337, posted at 08.11.11 19:46:54 by Muzi Reply

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  • 95% sure Lodewyk de Jager went to Hugenote High School in Springs.

  • Comment 338, posted at 08.11.11 20:16:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 337) : got hit by a car and suffered a serious brain injury

  • Comment 339, posted at 08.11.11 20:17:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • CJ van Zyl, Grey College. Never heard of him but hey!

  • Comment 340, posted at 08.11.11 20:20:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Wow okay, Pieter Kilian (which I’m guessing is the name he goes by) actually went to a school called Oos-Moot.

  • Comment 341, posted at 08.11.11 20:58:17 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I’ve done it! Finally.

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    Swartland High School (1)
    Transvalia High School (1)
    Voortrekker High School (1)
    Waterkloof High School (1)
    Westering High School (1)
    Weston High School (1)
    Wynberg Boys’ High School (1)

    Players to follow…

  • Comment 342, posted at 08.11.11 21:32:40 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Tank Lannings tweet :
    “So the Stormers are going to sign a relatively high profile prop to back up the lighties … On Sport24 at 22h00 …”

  • Comment 343, posted at 08.11.11 21:35:21 by Mocho Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 342) : Good work Hendrik :smile:

  • Comment 344, posted at 08.11.11 21:43:50 by beet Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 343) : Rassie likes Wian du Preez. I wonder if he’s a candidate

  • Comment 345, posted at 08.11.11 21:47:45 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 345) : Maybe its BJ botha?

  • Comment 346, posted at 08.11.11 21:52:29 by Mocho Reply

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  • I know I know!! OS is doing a 3rd -coming!!

  • Comment 347, posted at 08.11.11 21:56:28 by Mocho Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 344) :

    And what schools had (or have) which players:

    Grey College (15): Abraham Griesel, CJ van Zyl, Cobus Nel, Dries Swanepoel, Hendrik Venter, Jan Serfontein, JJ de Klerk, Johan Goosen, Kevin Luiters, Leneve Damens, Niel Jordaan, Niel Marais, Paul Jordaan, Rudi Fuls, William Small-Smith

    Monument High School (6): Carl van Heerden, James Meechum, Paul Willemse, Ruan Steenkamp, Ruan Venter, Willem Viljoen
    Paul Roos Gymnasium (6): Craig Barry, Errol Jaggers, Pieter Stemmet, Renier Marais, Steven Kitshoff, Tshotsho Mbovane

    Glenwood High School (5): Dean Moolman, Francois Janse van Vuuren, Fred Zeilinga, Shaun Adendorff, Siyabonga Tom
    Paarl Boys’ High (5): Beyers de Villiers, Du Toit Genis, Justin Ackerman, Nicolaas van Dyk, Devon Williams

    Afrikaans Boys’ High School (4): Gerbrandt Grobler, James Marx, Nardus van der Walt, Rudi van Rooyen
    Bishops Diocesan College (4): Dillyn Leyds, Johnny Kotze, Timothy Swiel, Tshepo Motale

    Florida High School (3): Fabian Booysen, Vian van der Watt, Wian Fourie
    Tygerberg High School (3): Entienne Swanepoel, Marvin Orie, Travis Ismaiel

    Augsburg Agricultural School (2): Aubrey Faul, Jaco Visagie
    Harmony Sports Academy (2): Lushiano James, Mario Noordman
    Helpmekaar College (2): Juan Bester, Quinton Norris
    Maritzburg College (2): Lungelo Chonco, Lungelo Ngcamu
    Middleburg Technical High School (2): Dillon Smit, JP du Plessis
    Muir College (2): Jason Thomas, Marzuq Maarman
    Nelspruit High School (2): Henri Boshoff, Mark Pretorius
    Northern Cape High School (2): Coenraad Cohn, Richard Gorrah
    Paarl Gymnasium (2): Kobus van Wyk, Luqmaan Ismail
    Westville Boys’ High School (2): Khaya Majola, Tyler Fisher

    Ben Vorster High School (1): Maputha Dolo
    Bergsig High School (1): Ettienne Oosthuizen
    Boland Agricultural School (1): Gerhard Jordaan
    Brackenfell High School (1): Cheslin Kolbe
    Dale College (1): Andile Jho
    Dr Johan Jurgens High School (1): Friedle Olivier
    Drostdy High School (1): Wian Liebenberg
    Eldoraigne High School (1): Joseph Lewies
    Ermelo High School (1): Jacques du Plessis
    Guildford Grammar School (1): Lourens Steytler
    Hentie Cilliers High School (1): Ruaan Rodgers
    Hudson Park High School (1): Mihlali Mpafi
    Hugenote High School (1): Lodewyk de Jager
    Kasselvlei High School (1): Darren Luiters
    Kearsney College (1): Robert du Preez
    Krugersdorp High School (1): David Schmidt
    Louis Botha Technical High School (1): Nhlanhla Hlongwane
    Menlo Park High School (1): Altonio Jantjies
    Michaelhouse Diocesan College (1): Patrick Howard
    Nylstroom High School (1): Hencus van Wyk
    Oos-Moot High School (1): Ernest Killian
    Oudtshoorn High School (1): Percy Williams
    Queen’s College (1): Allan Dell
    Rondebosch Boys’ High School (1): Ryan Smid
    Sarel Cilliers High School (1): Xola Msane
    Scottsdene High School (1): Heinrich Arendse
    St Charles College (1): Siseko Jafta
    Swartland High School (1): Pieter Steph du Toit
    Transvalia High School (1): Franco Marais
    Voortrekker High School (1): Juan Nel
    Waterkloof High School (1): Schalk van Heerden
    Westering High School (1): Kuhle Sonkosi
    Weston High School (1): Brenvin Marais
    Wynberg Boys’ High School (1): Sikhumbuzo Notshe

  • Comment 348, posted at 08.11.11 22:07:27 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Its none other than ex Sharks player Deon Carstens.

  • Comment 349, posted at 08.11.11 22:08:22 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 349) :

    Wouldn’t be a bad signing that.

  • Comment 350, posted at 08.11.11 22:11:32 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 350) : Lol I would like to see Deon in a Stormers jersey before I believe Sport24 and Tank. Yeah its a good signing. Especially now that Deon got NH experience and can teach the youngsters a few tricks. Was Cartstens a benchwarmer or was he starting at the Sarries?

  • Comment 351, posted at 08.11.11 22:16:58 by Mocho Reply

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  • You guys still going at it? :)

  • Comment 352, posted at 08.11.11 22:20:33 by Ben Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 348) : Super work Hendrik.

    Just 1 change there that I’m aware of. David Schmidt who often goes by the name Marais Schmidt is a Monnas old boy. Monument is in Krugerdorp so perhaps thats where the mix up came in.

  • Comment 353, posted at 08.11.11 22:44:57 by beet Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 351) : it’s definitely on… I was told about it on Friday night.

  • Comment 354, posted at 09.11.11 00:00:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 353) :

    Cheers for that.

    Damn Sarugby.net saying he went to ‘Krugersdorp HS’. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 355, posted at 09.11.11 04:12:43 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Here’s a fun fact:

    Of the 15 Sharks players included in the SA U20 group, 4 played the majority of the season for the U21′s (rather then the U19′s). Pieter Steph Du Toit, Siseko Jafta, Fred Zeilinga & Paul Jordaan.

  • Comment 356, posted at 09.11.11 06:59:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 354) : So Rassie was lying again when he said he wasn’t going to get any forwards?

    I wonder if he’s lying about his interests in the Bok Job as well?

  • Comment 357, posted at 09.11.11 07:04:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 356) : Good morning! Do you ever sleep?

  • Comment 358, posted at 09.11.11 07:05:31 by Ben Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 357) : He comes from the Free State, of course he was lying! :)

  • Comment 359, posted at 09.11.11 07:08:43 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 358) :

    Not really! I have power naps and then sleep through Sunday :mrgreen:

  • Comment 360, posted at 09.11.11 07:16:37 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 356) :

    Even more interesting considering the only other players in the group from the bigger unions who played at a higher level were: Johan Goosen (Cheetahs), Steven Kitshoff (WP) & Tshotsho Mbovane (WP).

    Ruan Venter may well have played for the Lions U21′s had he not been injured though.

  • Comment 361, posted at 09.11.11 07:19:28 by hendrikp Reply

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