robdylan

Speaking of captaincy…


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 16 Nov 2011 at 13:57
Tagged with : , , , , , , , , , ,

While we’re pretty quick to point fingers at the Bulls for appointing what many consider to be the wrong captain for their upcoming Super Rugby campaign, it occurs to me that our own beloved Sharks are also in something of an unclear position when it comes to leadership in 2012.

Let’s be quite clear about this – regardless of what we may have thought of their respective form over the last few years, in John Smit, Stefan Terblanche and Johann Muller, the Sharks have lost a huge amount of captaincy experience in the last 18 months and while the decision to blood Keegan Daniel as skipper in the Currie Cup was a good one, I still feel that there is much still be be resolved when it comes to the captaincy.

Simply put, I’m not completely convinced that Keegan is the right man for the job at Super Rugby level next year, for two reasons. Firstly, he didn’t really appear to always be in control of the side captaining even at Currie Cup level this year. Secondly, I’m not sure he’s an automatic first choice in his position in Super Rugby; although I could possibly be wrong about that.

Problem is, there really aren’t any really obvious captaincy candidates milling around in the Sharks ranks these days, certainly not if you include the “guaranteed first-choice starter” criteria. That said, whether the expanded Super Rugby competition genuinely allows any coach the luxury of being able to start and finish his captain in every game remains to be seen, implying that there should generally be one or perhaps even two stand-in skippers trusted to take the reigns when the campaign captain is on the sidelines.

Let’s look at the candidates that we have and try to work out which of them could potentially play a role.

Keegan Daniel is the incumbent captain and while he will battle to get picked in his best position (number 8) ahead of the other options there, should probably start the campaign as first-choice openside flank. Not a bad bet to retain the overall squad captaincy, but needs to show that he can stamp his authority on the team, juniors and seniors alike.

Jacques Botes also has captaincy experience, having led the Sharks in the ill-fated 2006 Currie Cup campaign. He is unlikely to feature regularly as a starter though, but could perhaps play a role as a stand-in captain when required.

Willem Alberts played a captaincy role with the Lions and understanding the way John Plumtree selects his teams, is virtually assured of a starting spot every week, fit or not. Comes across as a quiet guy, though and it remains to be seen whether he can really get the side to rally behind him and motivate them. A dark horse for overall captain.

Bismarck du Plessis is a name that has been bandied about in some circles and like Alberts is a guaranteed first choice. His inexperience as captain and frequent personal disciplinary lapses should probably rule him out, though.

Jean Deysel is a respected senior member of the side and would lead by example; however, the emergence of Alberts as first-choice blindside, coupled with a not-completely-effective move to lock have left question-marks over his ability to hold down a starting spot.

Alistair Hargreaves has captaincy credentials bar none, but is another whose place in the starting lineup is far from assured. Rumours of a rift with coach John Plumtree refuse to go away as well, making it unlikely that Hargreaves would be entrusted with such an important role on his watch.

Ross Skeate is another who, despite not having done the job in the past, has emerged as something of a de facto leader within the pack. Comes across as perhaps a little too laid back to take on a squad captaincy role, but could perhaps serve as a useful deputy in certain games.

Charl McLeod is another who has never done the job, but a good communicator and motivator who could be called on to lead the side in a pinch.

Patrick Lambie is possibly the most natural leader of all, having done the job for every side he’s played in. Pat is one of those guys who only gets better as the pressure increases and he oozes calm and confidence, which tends to rub off on those around him. It’s only really his age that counts against him, but if the Sharks are awake, they might just take a chance with Pat – perhaps even as vice captain.

What do you all think? Who should we go with here? And has anyone undeservedly missed out on a mention?



116 Comments

  • I’ll make Hargreaves squad captain, Lambie vice captain. Those games that Hargs does not play. Lambie Captain and Alberts vice.

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.11.11 13:59:59 by PTAShark Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    DragnipurSuper Rugby player
     
  • @PTAShark (Comment 1) : you’re picking Hargs ahead of Skeate at 5?

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.11.11 14:01:21 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @PTAShark (Comment 1) : let me say that prior to this season’s Currie Cup, I would have agreed 100%, but I feel Alistair has taken a step backwards. I wouldn’t start him now.

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.11.11 14:02:00 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • If I had to narrow it down it would be between Keegan and Hargs. Although Hargs seriously needs to bulk up a bit to get to his best at Super rugby level.

    The suggestion of Willem Alberts came out of left field for me but I can’t help but think of Wahl Bartman.

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.11.11 14:02:51 by Butchie34 Reply
    Author
    Currie Cup player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Yep, thats the only problem with my plan! That’s why I said when he doesnt play, Lambie takes it

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.11.11 14:03:10 by PTAShark Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    DragnipurSuper Rugby player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Have to agree, Hargs didn’t seem to be the same player this year.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.11.11 14:04:21 by Butchie34 Reply
    Author
    Currie Cup player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : I see he’s groing one hell of a mo for Movember. Maybe that’ll help, Simpson style?

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.11.11 14:05:35 by PTAShark Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    DragnipurSuper Rugby player
     
  • mmmm . off all those Lambie sounds the best to me . but he come across as a very quite guy to me . never met him personally of course

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.11.11 14:08:34 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • I would give it to Keegan for the SR. Not completely convinced yet but I’ll give it some time.

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.11.11 14:08:46 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • I think we may be being a bit harsh on Keegan. As far as I know the mandate was for him to lean on some of the more experienced guys as he got used to the captaincy. Is Keegan ‘the man for the job’ at the moment? Probably not. Can he become ‘the man for the job’ in the near future? I certainly think so.

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.11.11 14:10:09 by war1 Reply
    Author
    war1Super Rugby player
     
  • @war1 (Comment 10) : well, let’s be fair and say that neither Gary Teichmann nor Johann Muller was “the man for the job” when first given the captaincy, but both grew into it.

    Am I being silly in saying that I don’t think Keegan necessarily starts? I mean, the only oke who could really replace him at 6 is Deysel and I honestly don’t think that’s going to happen… hope it won’t, rather.

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.11.11 14:12:26 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • Many of the great captains were give the responsibility at a young age and had long successfull careers.

    Give it to Lambie I say!

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.11.11 14:12:42 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 12) :

    If not Lambie then give it to Bismark or maybe even Jannie. It just might sort out their attitudes.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.11.11 14:14:26 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : Bismarck is far from captaincy material imo!

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.11.11 14:15:33 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • In one of the articles in the Sharks magazine Plum stated that they were grooming Alberts for the SR captain I’ll dig that article up when I get home & send it to Rob

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.11.11 14:20:53 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • Willem Alberts, Bismarck, and Pat Lambie are the only real options considering they have fixed their place in the starting XV. The others are not really captaincy material, with the exception of Jannie.

    If Willem gets chosen I think that he might captain the team in similar method to that of Juan Smith, i.e lead by example.
    His my best bet.

    Keegan’s mental breakdown at the CC final just proved his not a born leader.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.11.11 14:21:34 by Mocho Reply

    MochoVodacom Cup player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Who is your number 4?

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.11.11 14:22:12 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
    Administrator
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : I think Keegan is established as a starter, be it 6 or 8. Whoever is captain next year will need the help of all other senior players too.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.11.11 14:23:38 by war1 Reply
    Author
    war1Super Rugby player
     
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 17) : Jumping the gun. Mine is Bresler.

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.11.11 14:23:57 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 17) :

    Probably Bresler or one of the Marais bros. I hope he doesn’t continue with Deysel there.

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.11.11 14:25:03 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • Keegan is not a captain, saw that in the CC. Bismark and Lambie are better left to just play their game and not worry bout captaincy. My choice for captain would be one of either Willem Alberts or Meyer Bosman…

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.11.11 14:25:48 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • I’d like to see Keegan Daniel retain the captaincy with Willem Alberts as vice-captain. If thing don’t work out with Keegan at the helm, make Albert captain and Lambie his deputy.

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.11.11 14:26:01 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • Alberts or Lambie.

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.11.11 14:26:04 by JarsonX Reply
    Competition WinnerCompetition WinnerCompetition Winner
    JarsonXAssistant coach
     
  • No mention of Kanko Rob.

    Probably another option.

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.11.11 14:26:17 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • Pat Lambie – no doubt.

    All the characteristics to be a top-notch leader.

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.11.11 14:26:42 by Big Fish Reply
    Author
    Big FishAssistant coach
     
  • Actually Ben in the same article both Plum and Bash had said that they were also considering Bissie as among the Sharks team he was one of the more influential players that the team tended to follow Bissie’s lead. As promised above I will get that article to Rob before KSA accuses me of punting my favorite ;)

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.11.11 14:27:21 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • I want Skeate as Captain…cool headed,Surely our first choice lock, has captained WP before and has good experience; i am also satisfied that he plays 100% when he puts on The Sharks jersey. And hopefully won’t have to leave on Bok duty during CC. If he keeps playing the way he is, he will have a good shot of being backup for Bekker at 5.

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.11.11 14:27:32 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 17) : Bresler

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.11.11 14:27:42 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @JJR (Comment 27) : has he captained WP?

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.11.11 14:29:04 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : Agree, but i would still want to give him a bit more time…his game wasn’t too consistent this year…soo i would rather let him sort that out first before giving him the captaincy.

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.11.11 14:30:36 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • Thanks guys, I also think that if someone gave Hargs the odd klap to the back of his head he could get the job done there.

    @robdylan (Comment 29) : Yes. Did he not captain Toulon a few times as well

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.11.11 14:31:35 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
    Administrator
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
     
  • JJR agreed I would go with Skeate and Alberts

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.11.11 14:31:45 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Don’t have the proof; but i remember him leading Wp in a few games in the CC, just before he left for France.

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.11.11 14:31:48 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Sharksmad ? The Blog?s Dudette (Comment 26) : Yeah well that’s their opinion. I’ll stick to mine, okay? :) ;)

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.11.11 14:34:02 by Ben Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    BenAssistant coach
     
  • I don’t rate Keegan a captain at all. Good player but definitely not a good captain. A year ago I would have said Hargreaves not any longer.

    If I was coach I would not even hesitate to make Lambie our Captain. Lambie is mature beyond his years. Young or not he has unbelievable leadershiip qualities about him. Reminds me of a young John Smit.

    Be brave Plum and give the captaincy to Lambie who will always have a starting position.

    If Warburton can Captain Wales at 22 why can’t Lambie captain Sharks at 21?

    Saying the above has anyone heard of clubs in England head hunting for Bissie? Let us hope he stays with Sharks as he has a contract with us until 2013. If he was made captain he would not leave. But Bissie is not captain material really.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.11.11 14:39:02 by Puma Reply

    PumaCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : Agree 100%.

    We don’t have to look further.

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.11.11 14:40:30 by Puma Reply

    PumaCurrie Cup player
     
  • I agree its time to go big, Pat as captain and starting @ 10….

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.11.11 14:43:26 by Franshark Reply
    Author
    FransharkTeam captain
     
  • Daniel can’t be Cap. I think our best back 3 would be 6-Coetzee, 7-Deysel 8-Alberts. I think with having a Big loose trio we can afford to play Skeate and Hargreaves together at lock. But Jannie or Herbst must be playing at tighthead prop when our locks are like that. Else we could struggle in the scrums.

    All about getting the balance of talents and abilities right; but i can’t help but be biased to having as many Big ball carriers as possible in the pack :)

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.11.11 14:45:52 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @JJR (Comment 38) : wow dude… my gran will get to the breakdown faster than that loosetrio :)

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.11.11 14:51:46 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • Lambie is far too young for captaincy, definitely at 25 though. Respect of senior players needs to be earned and Pat has only been around for 2 years. Ross Skeate, McLeod or Botes! If Brad Barritt was still there I would have picked him.

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.11.11 14:54:52 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Just had that argument with my Old man…i think it will work fine if we play two 5′s at lock…i think marcell can be a great 6 aswell, just needs someone to tell him…pass the ball to deysel and Alberts, and when we don’t have the ball go fetch the ball…go boy Go!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.11.11 15:00:36 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Didn’t Plum try that a few years ago?Having this big bruising loosetrio, or was his problem selecting a very light loosetrio?

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.11.11 15:08:15 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
    Administrator
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
     
  • @JJR (Comment 41) : And then you suffer at scrum time with no tighthead lock.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.11.11 15:09:19 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
    Administrator
    Clayton(PJLD)Team captain
     
  • @JJR (Comment 38) : but i can’t help but be biased to having as many Big ball carriers as possible in the pack

    Plumtree tried that and it lost us the Currie Cup, cos nobody was actually securing the ball.

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.11.11 15:12:20 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 43) : Reason why i said Jannie or Hernst must be at 3 if two 5s are at lock; because they hardly ever go backwards and have solid technique…different story if Eugene is at 3…he could get scrummed and give away a penalty or 2.

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.11.11 15:12:56 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 42) : nah – he’s tried the very light loose trio before and it hasn’t worked.

    We saw the Deysel-Alberts-Hoff trio work quite well in the Super 14 against you okes in 2010… only time it’s worked though.

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.11.11 15:14:30 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : True and the Sharks still doesn’t have somebody in the squad that is really good at it.

    People are saying we need locks and centres but my biggest concern for next year is the lack of a specialist fetcher.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.11.11 15:14:47 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : I see what ur saying; but i felt it was because our locks were not getting involved come ruck time…if we had mossie in there it would have been a different story…i think. Think about it…Keegs doesn’t really go to secure ball too often, mainly carrying out wide and Kanko is too scared to go into a ruck :lol:

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.11.11 15:15:58 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @JJR (Comment 41) : pass the ball to deysel and Alberts, and when we don’t have the ball go fetch the ball

    Dude… Plum has been trying that gameplan all season and it has failed miserably. Other teams have worked out that to stop the Sharks, all you have to do is tackle Alberts/Deysel and they have no other ideas.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.11.11 15:16:10 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 47) : Kleinhans should be given a go…the minimal time he was on the field for The Sharks early in the CC, showed what he can do…he’s still young, but he can do it, i believe.

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.11.11 15:17:41 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 47) : it’s a concern I share

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.11.11 15:18:24 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @JJR (Comment 50) : but Franna is also not REALLY a fetcher…

    Check out Chris Cloete’s pics on Facebook… jinne, but that boy is built like a brick shithouse!

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.11.11 15:20:28 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • Call me dof, but I’ll go with Lambie and Coetzee. If u need a senior – go Willem. But those two youngster have it in them to go far. Both calm and in control. Marcell reminds me in a way of Teichmann.

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.11.11 15:22:00 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : Ja i know Cloete is a fetcher and a half, and i just toomk one look at the guy and i knew he was a beast in the Gym. Best fetcher i have seen since Brussouw; but i want to see how he handles 120kg players trying to clear him off the ball.

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.11.11 15:26:39 by JJR Reply
    Author
    JJRCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 40) : Bullspit! Leadership is a natural ability. No one needs to earn respect. If you have a natural good leader, he will have the respect. And Pat is such a bloke.

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.11.11 15:27:32 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • I’m gonna throw my hat in the Lambie-as-captain ring. I’d include Ross Skeate in my leadership group; I wasn’t thrilled when he joined the Sharks, but he’s made me eat humble pie since with his displays on the pitch and his passion for the jersey.

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.11.11 15:28:09 by Culling Song Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    Culling SongTeam captain
     
  • @Ice (Comment 53) :

    Doffie…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.11.11 15:30:44 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Ice (Comment 55) : to add: Pats ability and the player he is – I am sure he has the respect of senior players.

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.11.11 15:32:53 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 57) : Common – say that u truly believe I am silly with that statement… :wink:

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.11.11 15:35:22 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @ice, you obviously never went to a traditional school then. No one player is bigger than the team and there is a right of passage in rugby. Even John Smit had to learn from Gary Teichmann and earn respect in the change room for a few years. Pat will most likely be the Sharks captain and maybe bok captain after Schalk but he needs to get more experience. Look at business, only through experience do u get management roles no matter how good you are, it’s called heirachy! Skeate for captain with Lambie as vice.

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.11.11 15:38:47 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • @Ice (Comment 59) :

    Pat yes he’s proved himself.
    Coetzee…is jy mal?

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.11.11 15:43:54 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 60) : I went to a traditional school, but I did not play rugby, nO! :wink:

    And I am going to differ about Management roles in business too. Perhaps it should be like that, but the tendence is changing (unfortunately)!

    If none of the “senior” players have the good ability to be a captain, what then? I am prepared to break away from “it always works like that” and all that stuff – no need to stick to it if you don’t have too!We all know the importance of a genuine leader in the game. Faking a captain just because it is how it has always been or simply for the fact that he has gone through the “ranks” is no good either.

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.11.11 15:48:43 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 60) : @Pokkel (Comment 61) : I have to ask what other rite of passage does Pat Lambie have to go through? He’s won the Currie Cup and is the incumbent Springbok flyhalf? Does he need to lean over some chair so the senior players can pummel him with a stick? Those days are over! (And yes I did go to a traditional school).

    Think Coetzee would actually make a good great captain. And as for proving oneself and going through the heirarchy Graeme Smith (as much as I dislike him) did none of that when he was appointed as the national skipper at what 21???? Times are a-changing and it’s time to get on the train before it pulls out of the station.

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.11.11 15:48:44 by Butchie34 Reply
    Author
    Currie Cup player
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 61) : perhaps not now, but he is deffo a prospect for the future. Please give your reasoning behind the “is jy mal??” :lol:

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.11.11 15:51:24 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @Ice (Comment 64) :

    Coetzee is nowhere near assured for a starting spot in the team to start of with. He’s competing with Alberts and Deysel for the 7 jersey and will you leave either of them out of the team for Coetzee?? (while taking your cougar sunglasses off) :lol: ;-)

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.11.11 15:56:46 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 65) :

    Hy is goed maar nog nie so goed nie! ;-)

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.11.11 15:58:08 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @butchie34, sorry boet I would definitely not listen to some 20 year old wet behind the ears kid telling me what to do if I was 30 something veteran even if he had a currie cup and a few bok caps. It’s like an intern telling a director how to run the business. No denying Pat is a future captain but definitely not ready yet, like Greame Smith was not back then and we learnt from it, egg in face comes to mind! Experience wins cups!

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.11.11 16:01:35 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • Lambie. Without a shadow of doubt.

    If this is too adventurous for our unadventurous coaching staff, then Alberts as captain and Lambie as vice captain.

    Daniel is not a captain, and unlike Lambie and Alberts, isn’t 100% guaranteed a starting place.

    I would have said Hargreaves a year or two ago, but boy has he disappointed since and the rumoured rift between him and Plumtree explains a lot I guess.

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.11.11 16:03:26 by siorc Reply

    Gold's MemberTeam captain
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 67) : the problem I have with that statement is that it rings “Ego problem” not “respect”. If the best man for the job is younger, so what? It kinda reminds me of the “syndrome” some men have when their wifes earn more than them.

    I don’t buy that.

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.11.11 16:05:35 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @Ice (Comment 69) :

    I wish my wife earned more than I do! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.11.11 16:09:21 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 70) : hahahahaha!

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.11.11 16:13:33 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 67) : I think you’re too stuck on the whole business point of view. I remember a clerk who worked with me went to a CA partner on the first day of work and told them they were doing it wrong – that was a career limiting mood.

    Who do you think is more powerful? The CEO of PPC or Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook? The CEO worked his way up through the ranks while Zuckerberg was an enterpreneur and was that 20 year old wet-behind-the-ears guy.

    Like I said, the world is changing!

  • Comment 72, posted at 16.11.11 16:14:10 by Butchie34 Reply
    Author
    Currie Cup player
     
  • bryce is bang om in sa te kom blaas, nou moet ons net hoop ons mis hom in nz en aus ook

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.11.11 16:42:00 by BR Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Currie Cup player
     
  • @Ice (Comment 71) : @Pokkel (Comment 70) : me too me too!!!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 16.11.11 16:48:04 by Franshark Reply
    Author
    FransharkTeam captain
     
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 72) : I agree with you

  • Comment 75, posted at 16.11.11 16:53:45 by Franshark Reply
    Author
    FransharkTeam captain
     
  • just stick Lambie in the deep end,I mean I wasn’t always convinced of his maturity,but that head is that of a 30 year old player on a 21 year old’s shoulder. His maturity is hard to believe,but leadership is something that comes naturally to him,that much is evident

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.11.11 16:59:28 by Ludz Reply

    LudzSuper Rugby player
     
  • Lambie is the best choice for captain but I think he is a bit young maybe a year or two he will be perfect. For now Hargreaves captain and Lambie vice

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.11.11 17:01:49 by Mutley Reply
    Author
    MutleyTeam captain
     
  • @Butchie34 and Ice, OK I get your points but then we will have to put up with a few bumps and mistakes along the way as Lambie learns on the job. In life we all make mistakes and hopefully learn from them, so if they appoint Lambie it’s to groom him for the future and in doing so expect some wobbles along the way. If they appoint a senior player as his vice and have a spine (Hooker, No8, scrumhalf) of senior players he should do ok. I think he should only captain from flyhalf then as from fullback he will not be close enough to the game.

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.11.11 17:03:06 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • There are 3 things I’d carefully weigh up before considering Lambie for captain:

    Settling him in 1 position.

    The impact the added responsibility wud have on his developing game.

    The level of respect and support he wud receive from the senior players.

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.11.11 17:13:40 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • In John Smits book he says when he got moved to tighthead prop it was the first time in 5years or so that he had to focus on his own game before the teams game. Its quite understandable and one thinks he got away with it with such good leaders around him.

    Many on this site are shouting for Lambie to be captain. While there is no doubt he has all the leadership abilities required, don’t you think he needs to find his preferred position and settle in it before he gets the captain armband ( do they even use those things? I think they only use it in soccer). I would think Lambie needs one or two years before he can even think of captaincy. He already has to contend with some strong (although not as good as him) opposition for his Bok position.
    Let Lambie settle in his preferred position ( hopefully flyhalf) first, then after which we can have an opening ceremony at Kings Park, have a ticker parade and do whatever else to welcome him as Sharks captain :)

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.11.11 17:15:05 by Mocho Reply

    MochoVodacom Cup player
     
  • I wud love to know what sort of impact leadership wud have on Bismark’s game.

    I remember Martin Johnson was a bit of a thug as well for a time.

    There however has to be some kind of leadership to work with to begin with. Johnson turned out to be an inspirational leader.

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.11.11 17:16:59 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • @beet (Comment 79) : Exactly!! Highway boys think alike ;)

  • Comment 82, posted at 16.11.11 17:18:43 by Mocho Reply

    MochoVodacom Cup player
     
  • @Beet and Mocho, totally agree with you guys! I lived in Westville from 14 to 21, but grew up on the Bluff so I could be considered an honourary Highway boy…

  • Comment 83, posted at 16.11.11 17:22:24 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • @Mocho (Comment 82) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 16.11.11 17:24:06 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • @beet (Comment 84) :

    The SA U20 squad for the Stellenbosch camp after the trials in kimberley is:

    Wian Fourie (Border); Hendri Christian Rust, Richard Dean Gorrah, Andile Jho, Dries Swanepoel, Hendrik van Wyk, Jan Serfontein, Juan Nel, Marvin Orie, Marzuq Maarman, Rudi van Rooyen, Schalk van Heerden, Tony Jantjies, Travis Ismail, Wian Liebenberg (all Blue Bulls); Henco Venter, Hlanhla Hlungwane, Jan de Klerk, Johan Goosen, Kevin Luiters, Maphutha Dolo, Mathys Smit, Niel Marais, Niell Jordaan (all Free State); Errol Jaggers, Ettiene Oosthuizen, Fabian Booysen, Gideon Muller, Henri Boshoff, Mark Pretorius, Paul Willemse, Ruan Botha, Vian van der Walt (all Golden Lions); Allan Dell, Franco Marais, Guy Alexander, Khaya Majola, Nicolaas van Dyk, Paul Jordaan, Pieter Steph du Toit, Shaun Adendorf, Siseko Jafta, Siyabonga Tom (all KZN); Francois Grobler (Leopards); Cobus Nel, Jacobs van Wyk, Patrick Howard, Steven Kitshoff (all WP).

  • Comment 85, posted at 16.11.11 17:28:26 by Muzi Reply

    MuziVodacom Cup player
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 83) : @beet (Comment 84) : haha must be something in the air?

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.11.11 17:34:29 by Mocho Reply

    MochoVodacom Cup player
     
  • Well done Shaun Adendorff and Siyabonga Tom, both Glenwood boys. We had 2 last year in the team so let’s hope these 2 make it too. Well done to Khaya Majola (ex Westville) and the other KZN lads. Methinks Shaun Adendorff should be listed as a Bull as that is where he plays. Is Paul Willemse that beast of a lock, 130kg or so?

  • Comment 87, posted at 16.11.11 18:04:37 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 87) : he’s apparently shed a few pounds. Now 125kg. But its barely noticeable. Good player around the park, yet to convince me of his lineout worth.

    Was hoping Shaun A had decided to return hope. I saw him enough times here in Dbn this year anyway.

  • Comment 88, posted at 16.11.11 18:11:16 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Muzi (Comment 85) : thanks Muzi. I’m surprised how few WPers there are left.

    I’m happy for our guys esp Franco Marais our hooker. I think he’s worked hard to get there.

    You must be shocked at Gorrah’s inclusion.

  • Comment 89, posted at 16.11.11 18:14:26 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Muzi (Comment 85) : Damn. Wian Fourie shd have been one of our players. He’s from the old ZRA.

  • Comment 90, posted at 16.11.11 18:16:29 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • @Muzi (Comment 85) : have to be real honest I’m starting to question Dawie Theron’s selection,1 good trial match and you’re in,Tom for example,I know am on a Sharks blog,but Tom just doesn’t do it for me. Dawie isn’t being realistic Tom won’t play for the u20s next year and he should’ve rather gone with a lad who can play there next year

  • Comment 91, posted at 16.11.11 18:25:13 by Ludz Reply

    LudzSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Ludz, well as a Glenwood supporter Tom does it for me. He is still in grade 11 so it might be too early for him. I think he will definitely make KZN Craven Week again and most likely SA Schools so Dawie is just covering there with an expected SA Schools player if he remains fit. Give the bloke some credit, he is only turning 17 in a few weeks! He did not pick himself..

  • Comment 92, posted at 16.11.11 18:30:48 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • @Ludz (Comment 91) : I wonder what happened to Tshotsho. He wud have been the first wing to be picked if I had a say.

  • Comment 93, posted at 16.11.11 18:31:42 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • @beet (Comment 93) : and Barry’s had an injury plagued season but we all know that guy has gears.

    These guys + WSS must be out coz of 7s commitments. That sucks.

  • Comment 94, posted at 16.11.11 18:35:33 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • A pity Fisher missed out. Also, I think Boulle from Westville could have been a good surprise pick eventhough he did not make SA Schools…

  • Comment 95, posted at 16.11.11 18:38:16 by Grasshopper Reply

    GrasshopperVodacom Cup player
     
  • @Grasshopper (Comment 92) : don’t get me wrong,am just saying he’s not there yet,he has the makings of a very good winger,with a decent boot to add,but not next year

  • Comment 96, posted at 16.11.11 18:44:32 by Ludz Reply

    LudzSuper Rugby player
     
  • @beet (Comment 93) : isn’t he also with the sevens,I think Dawie knows the value of Tshotsho,no.14 jersey belongs to him I reckon. Pat Howard against Willa Small-Smith who’s your pick for the no.13 jersey?

  • Comment 97, posted at 16.11.11 18:49:30 by Ludz Reply

    LudzSuper Rugby player
     
  • guys – it took a while, but there’s a proper thread up now for baby bok squad discussion

  • Comment 98, posted at 16.11.11 18:57:44 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • From twitter “@BokShark: @RuggaWorld Victor Matfield on Highveld just named Scha
    lk, Spies & Bismarck as leading candidates for Bok captain.” So if good enough to be considered for Boks then why not Sharks? Although Spies not good ad there :)

  • Comment 99, posted at 17.11.11 07:50:46 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 99) : Isn’t this what they do at beauty pageants – pick 2 average looking princesses to make the winner look really good. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 100, posted at 17.11.11 08:22:25 by beet Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    beetCurrie Cup player
     
  • I`ll go with Bismarck. Maybe it`ll sort out his discipline trouble as well? Or is his place in the team questionable after he got shown up by Maku?
    Lambie should be groomed for the position though . . . maybe vice captain for now?

    One curve ball though : If it`s a guarenteed starter you want for the role . . . why didn`t anyone mention Bosman? :twisted:

  • Comment 101, posted at 17.11.11 08:31:08 by Original Pierre Reply
    Author
    Original PierreSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Beet :lol: Schalch and Spies r the twa ugly ducklings then ;) .

  • Comment 102, posted at 17.11.11 08:42:36 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 102) : oooohhh if Flasher Girl see you referred to pierre Assegaai as an ugly duckling there will be trouble :mrgreen:

  • Comment 103, posted at 17.11.11 08:46:01 by Original Pierre Reply
    Author
    Original PierreSuper Rugby player
     
  • I agree with you lambie would be great but yes his age is against him but I really think given a chance at his young age he’ll grown to be great leader just like JS and yes start him of has 2nd in charge and then we shall see what he has to offer for the team

  • Comment 104, posted at 17.11.11 09:10:43 by chaz Reply

    ChazTeam captain
     
  • @beet (Comment 100) :Amen

  • Comment 105, posted at 17.11.11 09:12:53 by chaz Reply

    ChazTeam captain
     
  • @Original Pierre (Comment 101) : hahahaha!!!

    All in all, perhaps being in a “authoritve” role, Bis’s discipline might be sorted out. I have seen it before in life. Or same thing – when u sometimes give the “blacksheep/rebel/underachiever” a repsonsible leading role, more times than nothing it gives them such a boost that they turn into absolute role models.

  • Comment 106, posted at 17.11.11 09:28:08 by Ice Reply
    Competition Winner IceAssistant coach
     
  • @Ice (Comment 106) : ok I tend to agree so bis captain and lambie u captain agree

  • Comment 107, posted at 17.11.11 09:47:12 by chaz Reply

    ChazTeam captain
     
  • I like Lambie as a captain for the future when he has a couple more seasons of rugby under his belt. Charl McLeod wouldn’t be the best choice as captain because his form has been iffy and he can’t be guaranteed to start.

    I like Alberts as captain with Keegan as a deputy. Before Keegan was made captain he was always talking on the field and could be seen giving a pep talk in the team circles. Alberts is one of those quiet leaders who would need a lively deputy under him.

  • Comment 108, posted at 17.11.11 09:49:11 by lostfish Reply
    Valued Sharksworld Supporter Competition Winner
    lostfishSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 99) : There may actually be some legs to your “Bismarck as captain” theory… not the guy I would pick, but you know Plum and I seldom agree

  • Comment 109, posted at 17.11.11 10:07:12 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @Rob :lol: any idea when they are going to announce our training squad & captain? Or who these new sighnings mentioned in the W/ender are?

  • Comment 110, posted at 17.11.11 11:10:37 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 110) : I know nothing about signings… not even a rumour.

    Can you send me these articles? I’m a little lost without access to the KZN newspapers. No idea why they don’t put them online

  • Comment 111, posted at 17.11.11 11:41:24 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • Will do Rob it was in the Witness weekender last Saturday, Bashford mentioned that they were in the process of signing some new players ? Will go home and look for the weekender

  • Comment 112, posted at 17.11.11 12:07:11 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • Rob you have mail ;-)

  • Comment 113, posted at 17.11.11 12:30:26 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 113) : no I don’t… it bounced

  • Comment 114, posted at 17.11.11 13:03:56 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • Sorry that darned filter found one word and decided that it was sexually driscriminatory :twisted: That word being tramp :roll:

  • Comment 115, posted at 17.11.11 14:03:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 115) : sent it again.

  • Comment 116, posted at 17.11.11 14:04:34 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

    Sharksmad - The Blog's DudetteSuper Rugby player
     

Add Comment

You must be logged in to post a comment.