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Mjekevu set for Sharks trial


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby, Vodacom Cup on 5 Dec 2011 at 07:40
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In a bid to bolster their stocks at centre, given the departure os Stefan Terblanche and Adi Jacobs, the Sharks will welcome Baby Bok Wandile Mjekevu into their pre-season training squad this morning – but only on a trial basis at this stage.

The 1.90m Mjekevu attended King Edward’s in Johannesburg before being a surprise pick in Dick Muir’s Lions Super 14 squad in 2010, on the wing. One of the few players to stand out in a truly dismal campaign, he went on to play for the team in 10 of their 13 games, before injury ruled him out for the rest of that season. His natural position is at outside centre, though and it was his play in the number 13 jersey that prompted KES to offer him the opportunity to relocate to Johannesburg in his late teens; despite being born in Durban, Mjekevu grew up in the eastern Cape and attended Dale Junior School and Selborne College before moving to the Highveld. He captained the KES first team in his matric year and was also head boy.

His age-group credentials are impeccable and in addition to the Super Rugby appearances, has also represented SA Schools and the Baby Boks. Mjekevu turns 21 in January next year, meaning he would be eligible for under 21 rugby in 2012 as well.

Our understanding is that Mjekevu will train with the Sharks until they go on their Chirstmas break at the end of next week. This will give the Sharks coaches two weeks in which to assess the player and determine whether he should be offered the opportunity to relocate to Durban and join the side permanently in 2012.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that another centre, Morgan Newman, also arrives in Durban today, to join the Sharks XV training squad on a similar basis. Vodacom Cup coach Sean Everitt has invited Newman to train with his squad ahead of next year’s competition and one would imagine that if he manages to impress, he may also be offered the opportunity to represent the side in 2012.



225 Comments

  • Hmmm, surprised that he doesn’t have a Lions contract! Very quick, and a great step, and certainly has the height to fill out to over 100kg.

    Will be very interested to see how this plays out.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.12.11 07:46:18 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Great! These are both skillful guys. Always rated Morgan Newman. His injury really set him back.

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.12.11 07:50:56 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 1) : he’s pretty much a dead ringer for JP Pietersen, in terms of size.

    Let’s hope he doesn’t fill out too much, though, or Plum will be picking him at lock :)

    Just kidding… really excited about this development. While I still think that we should be giving our own kids a shot, Mjekevu is exactly the sort of oke we should be buying if we are going to buy. He’s coming in while still under 21, but has already shown that he can cut it amongst the seniors while boasting an impeccable junior rugby CV. Also, he’s big, quick and skilful, which is just what we need at 13.

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.12.11 07:55:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • He’ll be a great addition to the squad if he is included.

    I have to ask the same question as BF though. No Lions contract for him????????

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.12.11 08:03:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I like both these players so i hope they stick around. Mjekevu never really seemed to get a chance in the Lions senior side and I just wonder if its not a clash of personalities with the coaching staff?? Newman is solid if not spectacular…also a player in the Bosman mould as he is more of a distributor but has a bit more gas than Bosman. Is this possible an indication that Plum and Co are not happy with the progrss of Williams and Lindeque??

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.12.11 08:05:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Hey Rob don’t you think its better for the sharks to back heimar and piet.

    This basically pushes piet down the order if the sharks do sign wandile and newman.

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.12.11 08:13:54 by Muzi Reply

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  • At least he’s nowhere near 30. A step in the right direction?
    I’m also surprised Mjekevu he doesn’t have a Lions contract.

    Not so sure about Newman though?

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.12.11 08:15:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : When i watched Piet this year in the vodacom cup he looked ready sure he was playing wing but he was a try scoring machine.

    Then he got dropped for jerome pretorius who is in PTA as we
    speak.

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.12.11 08:16:13 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 7) : Very surprised they rate bradley moolman as a better prospect than wandile. :???:

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.12.11 08:17:18 by Muzi Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : Spoke to a bulls scout and he could not believe it that the sharks let wynand pienaar and co leave.

    The tukkies side will be powerfull packed with sharks academy,bulls under 21s and a couple of UCT,Hamiltons players.

    Something special is happening in deie blou bulle land. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.12.11 08:20:36 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 6) : I think it’s important not to get carried away here… they’re just having a look at the guy at this stage. No talk yet of anyone being pushed down any pecking order.

    Mjekevu has already played Super Rugby – in fact, he shone in a poor Lions team as a raw 19-year-old. That alone must surely count hugely in his favour when we’re looking at potential Super Rugby options for 2012.

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.12.11 08:23:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 8) : that’s at best a selective recollection of what happened and at worse, completely inaccurate!

    Trompie played the whole season at 13, with Piet filling in at wing when required. Lindeque was never dropped for Pretorius – if anything, you could argue that Piet didn’t do enough to displace the incumbent.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.12.11 08:24:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 10) : I dont think its a case of the Sharks wanting to let them go but they couldnt offer them Varsity Cup rugby here in Durban. Im all for backing the guys coming through but if the coaches feel that something is just not there then i cant blame them for looking elsewhere. ALso these guys are just on trial and not signed yet so maybe they just looking to see how Williams etc compare.

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.12.11 08:25:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Ja, I think we can’t be too precious about this. Sharks have an issue in midfield and (rightly or wrongly) don’t believe that the under 21 centres are ready to step up to super rugby yet (which is fine because they’re both only 20). At least they’re now looking at players who could be said to be in their prime, rather than the last centre we bought who is quite clearly past his.

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.12.11 08:34:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Gain for the Sharks, loss for the Lions. He is great on attack but still not sure about his defense.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.12.11 08:35:15 by Mutley Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : hey Rob, you sure they are looking at him for a centre spot? i would rather have him as a wing, behind JP, Mvovo and Odwa (and with Richards with the Sevens squad). We lost out last year in signing an extra wing(Mapoe), so maybe they are looking at bolstering our wings stock?

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.12.11 08:40:15 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 16) : with Sithole and Ludik there too? Nope, we don’t need more wings.

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.12.11 08:42:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good Stuff!! Mjekevu has already shown what he can do, i think he would be a great signing. Would be great to have a centre with some flair joining the team now that Adi has left. Also Newman…not so sure, yes solid player, great tackler and distributor, but he is a bit too slow. Can definitely add value to The Sharks XV. Sharks XV gonna be very young next year and the loses of Arno van Zyl, Jerome Pretorius, etc Newman’s experience will be needed.

    If we only didn’t have those problems with Mapoe…i think he would’ve been the no.1 13 for The Sharks right now. I think it was a stupid dicision to choose the Lions over The Sharks. Won’t be surprised to see Lions Bottom 5 of Superugby, again this year. Sharks should always be one of the title contenders for Superugby.

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.12.11 08:43:07 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : And maybe just maybe by bringing in these 2 young guys it will mean that the other centres in the squad push themselves a little bit harder as their place may be on the line! Nothing wrong with competition

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.12.11 08:45:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : exactly. More quality options pushes everyone to be better.

    Been looking at some of Wandi’s play on Youtube. Big kid, very strong with a very interesting backhand offload technique. Seems to battle a little bit with decision-making on attack, though. That could be a problem, cos I’m not sure who in the Sharks coaching ranks can actually teach him….

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.12.11 08:50:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • I believe Superugby 2012 will be won by one of these teams: The Sharks, Stormers, Blues or Crusaders.

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.12.11 08:52:29 by JJR Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : We need to have Varsity Cup in Durban, not Maritzburg. It’s easier logistically and they could use the Sharks Academy players. It would give them great exposure.

    I spoke to the manager at Durban Varsity and they’ve made a few big signings apparently.

    Problem there is that the Sports Council are too concerned with what they can get out of sports and not what they can contribute. The one woman tried to force her way into the organisers position for the Varsity Shield, a salary of R20 000 a month, and had a fit when they refused to allow her to do that.

    Every sport on campus has complained, soccer, cricket, hockey etc. I hope they get their act together.

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.12.11 08:55:45 by StevieS Reply
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  • Really hope Morgan does come through, the lad has a good head on his shoulders and puts a lot of work into his conditioning etc. Would be really stoked if this came to something.

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.12.11 08:59:10 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 22) : Patience is needed…there will hopefully be varsity shield and then varsity cup rugby in the next few years in Durban. Things have to go through the right channels though and the side has to win. And no im not talking about the UKZN side, but hopefully they do get stronger.

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.12.11 09:07:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Remember bulls flop :mrgreen: Bradley Moolman is ahead of wandile.

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.12.11 09:26:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • I’ve had Berton Klaasen and Mjekewu on my mind as possible long term replacements for the veteran Adi ever since I suspected that the relationship between the latter and coach Plumtree had gone sour.

    However I’m astonished, actually shocked that we were able to prize Wandile away from the Lions this easily. We are talking of a player who is quite capable of matching, perhaps even exceding the expectations of Lionel Mapoe, who went to the Lions at a premium. So very surprised that they let this u21 player go.

    The Lions management of Rudy Paige as well suggests that they might be missing the big picture in SA rugby. I have a feeling the synergy isn’t quite there in Jozi right now. Certainly what their schools are bending over backwards to get right (remember Mjekewu was aquired from an E/Cape school to join a Jozi school)and what the Union is doing right now appears to be out of sync.

    I hope that the coastal air can inspire Mjekewu to lift his game and fulful his true potential. This could turn out to be a really good buy but that all depends on Mjekewu’s attitude

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.12.11 09:27:49 by beet Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 23) : Funny how we just talked about Morgan last week. He seemed to have disappeared off the radar.

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.12.11 09:29:27 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Rob so what is the plan for Piet will the sharks only give him exposure in the warm up super 15 games or another full under 21 rugby season then hopefully the bench in the currie cup.

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.12.11 09:30:29 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 25) : If we got Mjekewu down to Durbs this easily, we should approach Jho.

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.12.11 09:30:31 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 27) : I was just trying to figure out who I was chatting with.

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.12.11 09:33:20 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 29) : Hey Sir you are 100% right the sharks have an opportunity to sign Andile Jho.

    I like andile BUT for the sake of his career he needs to make a decision soon.

    Trust me Jan Serfontein is already a threat for William Small Smith and Francois Venter. :mrgreen:

    Lets not forgeT Bosch who looks good at the moment.

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.12.11 09:34:02 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 29) : It looks like the bulls scouts are taking a different route when signing schoolboys these days.

    The key word is target acquision like arno botha joshua stander is an example add JP Smith and Dale star wing Milani Mqhayi.

    I will try have a word face to face with xander ;-) and ask him which players have they already signed.

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.12.11 09:40:20 by Muzi Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : Agree with you the samething happened with Horse as Rob ca :mrgreen: lls him he was on trial.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.12.11 09:41:58 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 28) : you seem to be confusing me with the sharks coaches. That’s frankly a little insulting. To me… ;)

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.12.11 09:42:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 27) : Hasn’t he been hiding out in the Eastern Cape?

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.12.11 09:43:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • Not possible to have even one thread that doesn’t end up being about the [email protected]+_king Bulls and their youth programs!?

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.12.11 09:44:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Well there not much to talk about the Bulls senior side!! haha

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.12.11 09:52:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Halle-frikkin’-luya!!! A signing that actually:
    a) targets an area of weakness in the current Sharks setup
    b) targets a player with (proven) potential, but who is still at the start of his career
    Who’d have thought it? :shock:

    I don’t see this as a problem in terms of our current U-21 centres either. Should we sign Mjekevu, we could be looking at a situation of Bosman/Mjekevu as starting centre pair, with Whitehead covering both positions from the bench, and Joubert pulling out weeds on the B-field. Given the length and attrition rate of Super 15, I see no reason why Piet & Heymar shouldn’t be able to get some time on the pitch.

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.12.11 09:52:20 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Now, to which deity do I need to make a burnt offering for the next Sharksworld article to read along the lines of “Sharks sign new backline- and skills coaches and sports psychologist”?

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.12.11 09:58:42 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 38) : I dont agree with u Sir…i really believe that Joubert needs to be on the field…in the Sharkie costume! That would add the best value to the team dynamic…and ensure ensure the fields are weeded properly!

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.12.11 10:03:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 22) : Mate UKZN sports is a mess. I don’t see a future in the Durban campuses.

    The problem is that the sports union is run by students and not the university like other places such as UCT, Maties and Tuks. Actually its run by the SRC. The SRC is run by political parties. Infact its run by a famous youth league party. I don’t want to go into detail as its against the websites rule by let’s just say running the sports union is a stepping stone for politcal brownie points.

    The Sports Union is highly incompetent. I remember joining the swimming club ( as I came from Westville Boys, undefeated in South Africa for years ). I paid my registration fees, which they gladly accepted, and that was the end of that. Never heard a word from them. Although every year they ask me to pay. Our cricket team is basically who ever pitches up gets to play, and so it goes on.

    The only solution is for an outside company to come run the sports union. If they do this, we could get a competitive varsity cup team but I can’t see this happening because the University is cutting down on expenses.

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.12.11 10:05:33 by Mocho Reply

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  • if whitehead can play 12 I would like to see what a whitehead,mjekevu center pairing can do

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.12.11 10:09:07 by BR Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : Have seen Lindeque a few times and he didn’t impress me. Could be wrong, but I picked up that he has slow hands which makes it seem as though he is rushed (Lambie for example has quick hands and it therefore seems that he has lots of time) and doesn’t read the game well and therefore makes not so good decisions. Maybe needs more coaching but I’m not convinced at this stage.

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.12.11 10:12:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 43) : Look i havnt seen much of the guy to be honest so im judging by the actions of the coaches etc. But surely the guy cant have that slow hands? How did he make it this far? Lambie and Carter etc are class players so they will look like they have a lot more time than other players.

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.12.11 10:21:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : Come on Sheldon, if these guys can’t make a Varsity Cup side, what makes you think they’ll cut it in our senior side and be able to hold their own in Superugby?

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.12.11 10:23:35 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Really surprise to read that Mjekevu is not contracted to the Lions, thought he was.

    Has awesome speed and think he would be a great buy. Born in Durban? Never knew that so all the better.

    Also agree with some here, think we need to be giving some of our own youngsters a chance, but I would welcome Mjekevu anytime at the Sharks.

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.12.11 10:24:04 by Puma Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :

    this is Bad news for the Lions ? was he out of his contract at the Lions you say ?

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.12.11 10:31:54 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : At age group level you can get away with murder. Senior rugby is a different beast, there you need that little extra to get you ahead. Adi’s hands are also quick, Bosman and Whitehead can distribute well…a centre with not so quick hands or not a strong pass will fall short at this level…bar SBW and Nonu.

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.12.11 10:37:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 45) : Yeh well thats kinda my point. The Sharks would have hoped that those guys stick around and hopefully force their way into the Vodacom Squad and then up. But the guys want Varsity Cup rugby as they think its a stepping stone straight into a senior side. So i think its more a case of them wanting a spot right now than the Sharks saying we dont want u.

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.12.11 10:37:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 18) :

    yes i agree .. . we had No chance in the Semis against province … and No chance in the final against the Sharks …

    maybe the sharks fixed that game ? who knows … :roll:

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.12.11 10:39:23 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 48) : There was an article quite a while ago asking whether the guys getting produced in SA have the same basic skills as the new zealnders and ozzies etc. The article just went on to say that in NZ and OZ a lot of emphasis is placed on handling and kickinkg skills at a young age and then as the guys get older the work on the speed at which the skill is dont rather than the actual skill.

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.12.11 10:42:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • From what I’ve seen of Mjekewu in u21s this year, I don’t think he’s a starter at 13 senior level quite yet. He could make it at wing tho but we are adequately covered in this dept for now. To be honest, I’d like to see Jordaan getting a shot at the big times ahead of him.

    However Mjekewu is a player for the future. Still u21 next year. Big, strong. He just needs some fine tuning. Also a good deal of his progress will be determined by his own motivation off the field and concentration on the field imho. Problem is the Sharks isn’t the place from a young centre to get good technical help these days.

    I hope this is a good fit for team and player so that we can get the deal done. Seems like the Sharks haven’t signed him yet.

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.12.11 10:55:02 by beet Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : You right, we don’t teach our guys the basics from a young age, they then come short at this level. Remember Clyde, our u21 baby Bok captain at one stage, we thought he was an awesome outside centre, he went to Oz and was told that his skill set is shocking. He was then moved to wing. We might find that all Lindeque needs is good skills coach to help him reach the next level.

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.12.11 10:55:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Just on Morgan Newman…

    Backs up my point about the EP Kings not being able to retain players unless they are given a step up.

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.12.11 10:59:26 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 53) :

    Clyde is a separate case…

    He went to a small school where he scored tries pretty much every time he touched the ball. Never developed the rest.

    I can’t agree that our players don’t have the ball skills. I’ve seen Ruan Pienaar fielding kicks in warm-up while already holding a rugby ball in each hand.

    We just don’t encourage the players to use those skills as much. It’s the approach to the game, rather then the ability.

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.12.11 11:03:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 26) : Wandile wasn’t included the Super rugby training squad which is why he, quite rightly, is looking at his options. He is also still eligible for U21′s in 2012.
    His attacking qualities have never been in doubt but he has been critisised for a percieved weakness defensively. I think that he has worked hard on this and has nuch improved that aspect of his play.
    IMO wing is his best position – very similar physical attributes to JP with the same deceptive pace.
    He only shifted to 13 for the Lions U21′s after Divan Ferguson was injured in the compulsory CC friendly pre season.
    personally I think he is a loss to the Lions who I believe have also cut loose some other promising players no longer eligible for U21.

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.12.11 11:18:26 by steve Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 56) :

    Hi Steve . do you know who was included in the super rugby group ? and who the u/21 guys are who have been released ?

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.12.11 11:23:12 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 55) : Rathbone was a typical SA no.13. Passing isn’t a big issue. If we now start measuring our outside centres by their “quick hands” ability like someone just did earlier, I’m afraid more players will fall short than make the grade.

    I’ve knocked Piet Lindeque far more than I’ve wanted to this year but I can’t help but believe that if the Sharks had left him in the care of Ingo Machts and the Grey Bloem coaches for these last 2 years, he’d be a far better player today. It’s unfortunate to have to confess this but the Sharks need to make a plan to get on par with Province when it comes to nurturing centre talent.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.12.11 11:30:45 by beet Reply
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  • I’m quite excited with the news of mjekevu training with the sharks – actually,I’d have signed him straight away if I were the sharks ,but not as a 13.well,not just yet anyway.
    (Based solely on what I remember he did on the wing in superrugby ,ie on attack).
    Hope morgan newman takes his chances,but also hope heimar and lindeque step up their game ( where the coaches think they lack. Re: lindeque having “slow hands”: surely if this is the case then there must be drills the sharks coaches know to improve this?? ..but then again,I thought they could teach kockott to properly handle a ball.. :-| something you think he shouldve learned at school already :-| ).

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.12.11 11:35:35 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 41) : I agree 100%. It needs to be a professional setup if we want to get anywhere. They gave 2 guys bursaries for rugby. One pitched up to Varsity training as he felt obliged, the other $%&^ took the bursary and played for Rovers or someone and nobody knows what he even looks like or who he is.

    It is a shambles, despite the best efforts of the Management there. They put in a lot of work but get a lot of hassle from the SRC who just want money for nothing!

    They even had to do away with their u20 teams, but I think those are coming back now.

    The cricket seems to be the most organised as I played a few games and they have a core group, but very few new guys coming through.

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.12.11 11:36:59 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 57) : I do – but I would rather not post names on a public forum until there has been some sort of official confirmation. I think that there are aslo ongoing discussions with some fringe players, the union and UJ for their VC squad.
    Ultimately though the Super rugby squad is reduced to 30 players which should look pretty much like the Currie Cup squad did this year with the youngsters playing Vodacom Cup.

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.12.11 11:50:33 by steve Reply

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  • Well,play it out of pmb uni then?

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.12.11 11:53:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • A lot of guys seem to develop into top 13s by being blooded at wing first then moving to centre after a few years. Maybe we’re missing a trick here… A guy like JP could make a dynamite centre and it’s not like we’re short of options out wide if we decide to move him… Might even open a gap for a guy like piet to play a few games at wing.

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.12.11 11:55:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan: would jpp be willing to do that though?
    I also think we might hear the sharks signing another 13 from france when his contract is up..

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.12.11 12:12:10 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 64) : Who?

    @robdylan (Comment 63) : I like that idea!

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.12.11 12:15:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 64) : dude, enough now… honestly.

    if Ronnie Cooke was as good as you think he is, he would be a Bok playing for a big side in SA, not playing in france.

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.12.11 12:15:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • What does Wandile weigh?

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.12.11 12:19:19 by Ben Reply
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  • Who knows his reasons for being in france..but I do know straeuli was really keen on getting him when he was still at griquas ..even went as far as to say on east coast radio that he is sure the player will be in durban for the 06 sr season..I’m glad they were (still?) are looking to get him .

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.12.11 12:20:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :

    You tell him!

    The guy plays wing half the time, and hardly makes a big impression.

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.12.11 12:22:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 67) : 95ish, I think.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.12.11 12:22:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 58) : The other day i told bog i hope the bulls do not mess up venter,willa,serfontein and swanepoel.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.12.11 12:22:55 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Ben: not that much I reckon..under 95kg??

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.12.11 12:23:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : We’ve kind of already turned our backs on a player that’s done everything humanly possible at junior level to merit a legit shot on the wing in senior rugby – Mark Richards. If there is a gap at wing in 2012, I’d again say Paul Jordaan first or bring Richards back.

    I think there are still going to be some interesting developments and opinions about who the first up starting centres should be in 2012. Equally interesting will be who the Sharks want as their Vodacom Cup centres.

    I have a bad feeling that unless the Sharks go with Pokkel’s suggestion to try Freddy at no.9, it means that Lambie will probably start at 12 and Whitehead at 13. Bosman will probably get the bench role. – just one possible scenario here

    So what then becomes of Joubert, Williams, Lindeque, Jordaan and Mjekewu. Who gets Vodacom Cup game time in the midfield? Personally I’d want the spaces to go to Williams and Jordaan but that might be inspired by favouritism. Joubert cost a lot so it might be a top level decision to try and keep him in tip-top condition. If Mjekewu and Lindeque are forced out wide, they might have to compete with Sithole and Specman (based on JP, Mvovo and Odwa staying with the SR team)???

    It’s nice to have depth but to keep all our centres/wings happy might become a little tricky.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.12.11 12:23:30 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 58) : I was watching Rob Ebershon playing for the sevens side he does not look quicker than before.

    He has bulked up abit.

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.12.11 12:24:06 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 69) : ok – so consider this… Riaan Swanepoel is now Cooke’s centre partner at Brive. This is Swannie who was regularly panned as nowhere near good enough to play for the Sharks, yet he’s a starter in France.

    Another case in point – Marius Joubert. Might have looked decent playing for Clermont, but badly exposed in SH rugby. Reality is, the French league is nowhere near the standard of even our Currie Cup and we’d be foolish to read anything into the form of players over there.

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.12.11 12:24:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 67) : must be around 100kg. He’s a big boy.

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.12.11 12:24:27 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : Yeah JPP is very strong on his feet. He would make a pretty decent 13.

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.12.11 12:24:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : Look how groot frans steyn was when he came back.Poor dude needed a 6 week diet. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.12.11 12:25:27 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 76) : He looked small when I saw him at the Lions. Did he bulk up?

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.12.11 12:28:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 71) : Hey don’t mention Bulls juniors here again :twisted: :mrgreen:

    Listen goto the KES Festival page on that other site we like so much. Read the comments. There’s a nice surprise for you there about a certain top schoolboy player.

    Don’t come back here and gloat about it tho. This is Sharksworld.

    Come to think of it you probably already knew about this player development.

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.12.11 12:29:45 by beet Reply
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  • @Muzi: lol :-D
    @beet: mjekevu almost 100 kg?? Mustve bulked up since sr 10 ( if I recall,he looked slighgtly built than ).

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.12.11 12:30:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • Hey guys & best friend Ben…he’s a big boy, and weighs in at 87kg and his height is 190.

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.12.11 12:30:21 by Prohibitid Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : After Percy was such a success coming back from Europe (Wales), now everyone thinks all the players get better when they come back from Europe.

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.12.11 12:30:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @Prohibitid (Comment 82) : 87? Big boy? :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.12.11 12:31:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben: lol my same thought 3e: mjekevu’s weight.

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.12.11 12:32:07 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 79) : I’m basing it on my new Willie du Plessis is 91kg formula. Mjekewu is taller and has a bit more meat on the bone therefore must be 100kg. To be honest, my guestimates are really bad recently. I shd really shut up :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.12.11 12:32:47 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 80) Will do ;-)

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.12.11 12:34:11 by Muzi Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 86) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.12.11 12:34:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 81) : He’s definitely put on weight since Dick Muir picked him for SR in 2010. We’re talking 18 months in the life of a teenager. He played in the JWC as well. He’s definitely not small

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.12.11 12:34:45 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 68) : Strauli is hardly the best judge of centres – or any backline position for that matter ;-)

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.12.11 12:35:42 by steve Reply

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNoXqmwcP3o

    Mjekevu on youtube.

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.12.11 12:36:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 89) : He is at least 100kg if not more. he has put on a lot of muscle in the last couple of years and his pace doesnt seem to have suffered

  • Comment 92, posted at 05.12.11 12:39:54 by steve Reply

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  • @steve: well dick muir was still involved with the sharks in 2005.. Maybe he whispered something into straeuli’s ear..?

  • Comment 93, posted at 05.12.11 12:40:33 by bergshark Reply

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  • sorry but for me this is a joke

    i very seldom complain re the sharks as i aint the coach etc , but surely its time their eyes opened up and saw the need for star backline players??

    we keep buying players that have nowhere else to go, their own provinces dont rate them

    surely its time to spend and buy qualilty or play the up and comming juniors, yes the first year it will cost us but long run you will have star backs with loyalty :roll:

    break the damn bank for a f steyn or international star centers

    newman??? 3rd grade, mjeveku??? 1 season wonder now turned into a blunder :evil:

    BUY F*ING STARS SHARKS FOR PETES SAKE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  • Comment 94, posted at 05.12.11 12:46:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @beet: is wynand pienaar contracted to tukkies as 13 or 15? Remember the talk of sharks looking at him as an option @13 ( pre-season ’11 )?

  • Comment 95, posted at 05.12.11 12:46:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • So what do you guys think about moving Odwa to 13 for the SR Series :?:

  • Comment 96, posted at 05.12.11 12:48:15 by Prohibitid Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 6) : I agree 100% with you mate

  • Comment 97, posted at 05.12.11 12:48:21 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover: getting frans back at the sharks I’d also think is priority number 1 (hope they are negotiating behind the scenes )

  • Comment 98, posted at 05.12.11 12:48:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Prohibitid (Comment 96) : only problem is he aint a big defender,13 must be big on defense

    then again the sharks play marius joubert there and his defense is crap for the most

  • Comment 99, posted at 05.12.11 12:49:45 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 98) : berg i just cant understand this stupidity anymore man,

    our backline is a glaring problem , and maybe lock position, the rest first class

    we need star centers :|

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.12.11 12:51:08 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Prohibitid (Comment 96) : I would much rather have him there than MJ.

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.12.11 12:52:18 by Ben Reply
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  • I’d also have thought that not losing both sykes and mostert wouldve been a priority.with the departure of bakkies,matfield and russouw from sarugby scene,the sharks were in the position to build a bit of dominance there ( although bekker’s line out prowess shouldve still been a problem to us ).
    Willbe interesting to see how the bekker/elstadt combo develops this season.

  • Comment 102, posted at 05.12.11 12:52:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • why not then play mvovo or sbura at 13???? surely our own should be tested first

    then again some might laugh but i would love to see Ludik at 13 , his defense is good and running lines very good and he has some gas

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.12.11 12:54:04 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • by the way i watched cockott playing a match in france recently and he had a damn good game , got the backline moving brilliantly

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.12.11 12:55:32 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover: guess the need is there for a skills coach at the sharks..looking at some of the pics of the sharks in pre-season training,there is a pic of movov.. From the pic I’d say he was on the left wing (playing a game of touch I’d guess)and swerving to the left..but with the ball still in his right hand..:-|

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.12.11 12:58:48 by bergshark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 94) : Once upon a time we bought this promising 19 year old out of the Cheetahs junior programme – Frans Steyn.

    We bought a no.8 that was good but by no means the star he is today from the Lions – Willem Alberts

    We got throw away players like Terblanche, Kockott and Deysel.

    We helped Jannie du Plessis lift his game to new heights.

    It’s hard to buy the star. Much easier to buy the next star.

    Verdict has to be out on Mjekewu, he’s still only 20.

    Newman – well the reason for giving him a shot to prove himself should be apparent. :smile:

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.12.11 13:00:32 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 105) : berg look to me the first choice should be getting in genuine centers, not make shift

    we let wynand pienaar go that wasa brilliant 13/15 why??

    yet we buy crap from else where, its crazy man

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  • @bergshark (Comment 105) : Bang that drum Bergie! :)

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.12.11 13:02:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @sharks_lover: the idea of ludik at13 was actually mentioned by plumtree ..as far back as pre-season 2010..yes,2010 pre-season…can’t recall seeing ludik play there though whilst at the sharks..maybe a vodacom cup game?? I dunno?

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.12.11 13:03:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 106) : beet sorry boet but we let go of ture stars like steyn

    why didnt they keep wynand pienaar?? big strong fast and natural ball player

    if we dont wish to buy quality why not then play our own up and comming stars from the junior ranks??

    give the likes of paul jordaan a go, get him right for super rugga, by the way his only weakness is his defense , work on him to better it

    if buying why not the likes of small smith ?? top notch up and coming center, no we buy has beens and cant make it anywhere else players

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  • @bergshark (Comment 109) : boet i saw him play there for the lions once or twice and was not bad at all

  • Comment 111, posted at 05.12.11 13:07:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Just a random thought, thinking outside the box as it were:

    Backline (reserve backline player listed second in the position)

    9. McCleod/Hoffman
    10. Lambie
    11. Mvovo
    12. Viljoen/JLP
    13. Ludik
    14. JPP/Sithole
    15. Odwa

    Would give us speed in the backs, that two flyhalves at 10 & 12 which seems to work so well (Mauger and Carter, Carter and Mehrtens etc), and would see our top guys on the field.

  • Comment 112, posted at 05.12.11 13:07:26 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 108) : we must toi toi and demand we get frans steyn back :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 113, posted at 05.12.11 13:07:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 112) : not a bad backline at all

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 113) : He would be our ideal 12! Loved how the Bok backline ran when he was at 12 and Jaque Fourie was at 13.

  • Comment 115, posted at 05.12.11 13:10:05 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Ben: lol been banging this drum so much and so hard I’ll need a new one very soon..!

  • Comment 116, posted at 05.12.11 13:10:50 by bergshark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 114) : Thanks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 117, posted at 05.12.11 13:11:00 by StevieS Reply
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  • @beet: fransie was contracted by the sharks whilst still at school..before the cw 2005 if not mistaken.guess the irb under19 wc in dbn/pmb helped the sharks spot that one lol

  • Comment 118, posted at 05.12.11 13:13:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • could you have imagined this as a sharks backline, if we bought right?

    15 Viljoen
    14 JPP
    13 JFourie
    12 F Steyn
    11 Mvovo
    10 Lambie
    09 Mcleod

    bench: many to choose from

  • Comment 119, posted at 05.12.11 13:14:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 118) : :roll: they spotted and then let him go?? tragedy of the century

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 119) : That would have been ideal. I’m hoping Viljoen will be at 15 for a few games, he’s a great player.

    I am still disappointed we lost the Barrett/Murray combination. That was perfect! We could have had that combination for years!!!

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 119) :

    Could you have imagined this as a Sharks backline, if you’d bought right?

    9 Francois Hougaard
    10 Johan Goosen
    11 Johann Sadie
    12 Francois Steyn
    13 Jaque Fourie
    14 JP Pietersen
    15 Patrick Lambie

    My point: it matters little :mrgreen:

  • Comment 122, posted at 05.12.11 13:19:29 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @sharks_lover:j fourie approached the sharks,but guess straeuli and co weren’t so sure about the legalities of the contract..guess we’d have lost him for this sr season though anyway even if we had him(but there were some close games in 2010sr season the sharks lost that a player like j fourie might have turned with a moment of individual brilliance..remember the try he scored sgainst the saders in [email protected]?).

  • Comment 123, posted at 05.12.11 13:25:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp: missing the point..these wereplayers we actually couldve had or did in fact have..

  • Comment 124, posted at 05.12.11 13:27:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover: heard something on the news about the nz sr franchises up for sale..??

  • Comment 125, posted at 05.12.11 13:29:49 by bergshark Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 119) : Howzit mate, have not seen you blogging for quite sometime.

    That would have been a explosive backline. Though Fourie might have been off for the money right now.

    I agree with a post of yours above. Frans Steyn would be first prize always at 12. We should be making him a offer he can’t refuse. Always been my favourite player. Though doubt he will ever come back to the Sharks. So for now think we need to try Jordaan at inside centre. I really never rated Bosman there this year.

    I actually hope we sign Mjekevu. Saw him for Lions and thought he had some awesome speed. Seemed a very good player to me. Needs game time before we can really judge him. I think he would be a great 13 given plenty game time. Also he is young that is a plus.

    I somehow doubt Plum will start with either Jordaan or Mjekevu if we do offer Mjekevu a contract. Think it will be with Bosman and probably Joubert who is just not up to it at all.

    Agree we need to give our own youngsters a chance as well.

    We need another lock too. Also Lambie has to start at 10 this year. Freddie wants to leave in June. Let him play scrummie or off the bench. Really don’t rate Hoffman much, unless he too needs more game time.

  • Comment 126, posted at 05.12.11 13:32:40 by Puma Reply

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  • @sharks_lover: contracted 2 centres from the free state under 21 ranks: andries strauss and ockie vermeulen in 2005 for 2006 also. Can argue that only one who delivered of those two were andries strauss ..and that in the latter part of the 2010 cc season.
    But I always liked andries strauss because he seemed like a loyal player_ even though not local born.

  • Comment 127, posted at 05.12.11 13:37:16 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 126) : hiyas brother from another mother :mrgreen: yeah mate to busy for blogging all the time :roll:

    bro i aint sure about these nobody buys we are making man , rather play genuine centers that we have in our junior ranks

    we gave lambie a chance at a very young age, he came through beautifully, we have a youngster from westville high , played sa schools earlier in the year kyle fisher i think his name is, he played 13 all his life so far

    why we want a kid that cant make his own provincial team , or like newman ,? from province to cheetahs now to sharks?”??

    and yes bring through the likes of heimer williams and jordaan, they genuine centers with speed

  • Comment 128, posted at 05.12.11 13:39:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 125) :

    For sale yes.

    But it’s more like asking for an investment that you won’t ever see a return from. They’re all going bankrupt.

    And you don’t even get a say on which players are signed, or who the coach is etc.

    More like paying millions to have your name attached to them :lol:

  • Comment 129, posted at 05.12.11 13:41:56 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Puma: agree on signing mjekevu asap.have doubts on him covering the outside centre pos though.admittedly this is because I haven’t seen him play there.

  • Comment 130, posted at 05.12.11 13:42:39 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 129) : :lol:

  • Comment 131, posted at 05.12.11 13:43:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 110) : When last did we buy a local star player that already was a star player. The only team able to get that right recently has been WP.

    Trust me our guys aren’t twiddling their thumbs and just watching the likes of Small-Smith sign for the Bulls. Even Province with their depth at centre came within a whisker of signing this guy. You don’t have to be a scout with an eye for talent to spot good SBR players. You just pitch up at the games and watch. You’ll quickly find out who the best guys are at this level. It’s a tough and competitive market contracting them tho. It’s not as if the Sharks are the only party interested. Add to this very few talented SBR players actually grow up wanting to play for the Sharks or supporting the Sharks and now we don’t have an established University rugby programme or Cup team either.

    Wynand Pienaar, a favourite player of mine. Wished we could have held onto him. But 2 things, 1) when we released him, other teams didn’t fall over themselves to sign him and 2)his departure is not about signing players, it’s about retaining the guys. In this dept, you can also count the no. of stars we’ve lost to neighbouring teams on one hand – Kempson, Small, Watson, Aiken, Jaco vd Westhuyzen. The other big guns like Steyn, Pinaar, BJ Botha, J. Muller , list goes on – lost to the rich clubs in Europe.

    The hasbeen theory has backfired on us this time with MJ. But it’s worked when we re-signed Stef, it worked with Percy and Johan Ackermann as well.

    If you can’t see why we have to look at guys like Mjekewu and Newman, you’re missing an important reality of SA rugby.

  • Comment 132, posted at 05.12.11 13:44:17 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 130) : I think he will be okay there.

    How is this backline:

    9 – Freddie
    10 – Lambie
    11 – Mvovo
    12 – Jordaan
    13 – Mjekevu
    15 – Viljoen

    Really hope we don’t go the same route this year with M. Bosman at 12 and definitely not Joubert at 13. Need to take chances with the youngsters. Even if we try out Sithole at 13 I would be happy.

  • Comment 133, posted at 05.12.11 13:46:18 by Puma Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 131) :

    You can get a Auckland+Blues season-ticket for NZ$109 dollars now.

    They’re getting desperate hey. Like I said on thesilverfern a few months ago. The Hurricanes are unlikely to break 5,000 spectators for a game the entire season.

    I’m actually thinking of lowering that number to 3,000… but we’ll never know because they count a lot of members as attending even though the majority aren’t there.

  • Comment 134, posted at 05.12.11 13:48:16 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 94) : To be honest. At least the Sharks have seen that centre is a problem and they are trying to do something about it. I’m going to get a coronary if I say MJ occupy that 13 jersey for most of next season.

  • Comment 135, posted at 05.12.11 13:48:44 by Ben Reply
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  • :shock: no mate i am seeing the quality of sharks backline players going downhill, this is my concern

    and we have good local talent , we just dont see it, another example was a center from natal that now plays in WP, patrick something, a genuine quality center

  • Comment 136, posted at 05.12.11 13:48:48 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @beet: signing ackermann was a stroke of genius..! Big powerful lock to add the bulk and skill to the sharks mauling game in the 2006/2007 sr campaigns.though I thought they were just a little more than crazy..but could see the reasoning for it as season developed.also a very strong scrummaging lock.

  • Comment 137, posted at 05.12.11 13:50:23 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 132) :

    Very sub…..tle :mrgreen:

    Rugby is an 80 minute game. Marius Joubert can still come right!

    All that experience & know-how has to count for something. Just needs to get his head right.

  • Comment 138, posted at 05.12.11 13:52:39 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 128) : I also like us to use our very own, but somehow we seldom do.

    Mjekevu been born in Durbs can be ours.. :mrgreen:

    I just really don’t want us have Bosman and Joubert as our first choice centre pair. Then we buggered before we even start S15. Remember we also bought Whitehead. For now think we need to give Jordaan a start and if Mjekevu come off this trial with the Sharks and gets a contract, then he has to play in S15. No use buying a talent like that and letting him play only in the CC. I think he has huge potential. Needs plenty game time.

  • Comment 139, posted at 05.12.11 13:53:09 by Puma Reply

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  • Patrick howard

  • Comment 140, posted at 05.12.11 13:53:12 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 139) : :lol:

  • Comment 141, posted at 05.12.11 13:57:55 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 140) : thats the one

  • Comment 142, posted at 05.12.11 13:59:17 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @beet: now to find a lock that has 1. Experience 2.bulk 3.excellent mauler 4.powerhouse in the scrums 5.strong ball carrier (can make the “hard yards” and stay on his feet whilst doing that 6 be a “mr dependable” on his own line out ball ?

  • Comment 143, posted at 05.12.11 13:59:42 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 138) : I think Oom Jan has gotten to you. Remember he’s Gimmies and you’re a Gilpil You have the utmost respect for each other but you most certainly don’t agree on things :mrgreen:

    But I also hope MJ comes right for the sake of the Sharks and my desire to win Superugby (while we still have some of the best players in the world participating in it)

  • Comment 144, posted at 05.12.11 14:03:00 by beet Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 141) : Yip before the Lions supporters say we stole him……hehehe.

    Another thing this S15 is 7 months long this year. Think we gonna need a really big squad this year. The better depth we have, the better for us going the distance.

    Need to be looking to buy a good lock as well.

  • Comment 145, posted at 05.12.11 14:04:27 by Puma Reply

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  • Okay work calls. Need to go. Catch up later.

    Cheers everyone.

  • Comment 146, posted at 05.12.11 14:07:17 by Puma Reply

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  • @shark_lover:re: scrumhalf: we will need kockott back in the tank before sr’11 starts though.dunno how the contract reads he signed in france.

  • Comment 147, posted at 05.12.11 14:07:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 140) : Yes Pat Howard. Another player we wished we could have kept, tried our hardest to sign but lost out to WP.

    He played 2 years of Craven Week. Definitely not the kind of player the Sharks just miss or overlook. + we signed a load of MHS players before him in recent years.

  • Comment 148, posted at 05.12.11 14:08:12 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 144) :

    Oom Jan knows what he’s talking about hey!!

    But really I think Marius Joubert’s career is pretty much over. He lived off his explosiveness, something he doesn’t have anymore. Outside of that he’s plain average, at best.

    I’m still a believer in having experience though, and having certain older players who control the attitude of the team.

    Sometimes it’s easy for us to sit back and say, this youngster, that youngster… but some players add a lot in terms of preparation, and are held to a very high level on the field.

    Habana being a prime example.

    Might be rich coming from me, but depth never hurt anybody. If you can get even a little bit of value out of him, then that’s good. As long as there is a long term solution in the making.

  • Comment 149, posted at 05.12.11 14:14:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet: how has pat howard been doing at weepee?

  • Comment 150, posted at 05.12.11 14:15:37 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 144) : @hendrikp (Comment 149) : Who is oom Jan?

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  • @Ben (Comment 151) :

    PaarlBok.

  • Comment 152, posted at 05.12.11 14:24:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 151) : PaarlBok

  • Comment 153, posted at 05.12.11 14:24:13 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 152) : @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 153) : Oh, the guy who reckons MJ should only play 13 and wing because he still has a lot of gas to burn. Certainly knows what he’s talking about. :roll:

  • Comment 154, posted at 05.12.11 14:26:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 154) :

    Hey hey hey.

    Oom Jan may be slightly attached to former pupils of his beloved Paarl Gym, especially the ones that he knows personally, such as Marius.

    We don’t use sarcasm to downplay other opinions!

  • Comment 155, posted at 05.12.11 14:29:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • The only gas MJ has left to burn comes from his stomach area! :)

  • Comment 156, posted at 05.12.11 14:29:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 155) : Okay that might have been a bit harsh from my side. But saying MJ has a lot of gas to burn is just down right silly. Not an opinion, a lie.

  • Comment 157, posted at 05.12.11 14:34:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 157) :

    He’s been signed, so if they can get some value out of him… if they win with him, then it’s job well done.

    I think the more is expected of him, the better he’ll get. Unlikely to see all that much game time though, and probably rightly so.

  • Comment 158, posted at 05.12.11 14:39:26 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 155) : @Ben (Comment 154) : What Hendrik said.

  • Comment 159, posted at 05.12.11 14:42:56 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 148) : The Sharks biggest drawback at a recruitment level is the lack of integration with a proper varsity – the deal with varsity college just doesn’t compare to what Stellies (by way of eg) offer through the WPRI and campus life. Tuks, UJ, OFS and even Pukke are better in this aspect.

  • Comment 160, posted at 05.12.11 14:45:14 by steve Reply

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  • Let’s get back to discussing if the sharks should perhaps not just give mjekevu a ten year contract :-)

  • Comment 161, posted at 05.12.11 14:46:03 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 159) : :grin:

  • Comment 162, posted at 05.12.11 14:46:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 161) :

    I think so…

    And definitely…

    Definitely…

    Wait until the 10th year to play him.

  • Comment 163, posted at 05.12.11 14:48:09 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @clayton(province-jou-lelike-ding :-D ): where to with adi now?someone told me he mentioned playing for boland next season?

  • Comment 164, posted at 05.12.11 14:48:47 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 164) : :lol: tsek jy. Not going to turn out for Boland but I personally hope he spends next season with the Stormers.

  • Comment 165, posted at 05.12.11 14:51:35 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Ben: the know-it-all who doubles as a stand-up comedian on sw is @hendrikp :-D ;-)

  • Comment 166, posted at 05.12.11 14:52:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • Morgan Newman is a 12 isn’t he?

  • Comment 167, posted at 05.12.11 14:52:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @clayton(PJLD): actually hope he does get weepee contract and plays really well also (but not versus the sharks!).

  • Comment 168, posted at 05.12.11 14:54:00 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 166) : :lol:

  • Comment 169, posted at 05.12.11 14:55:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben: dunno ?isn’t he a 13?clayton should be able to help out on that [email protected]?

  • Comment 170, posted at 05.12.11 14:57:21 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 167) : yep… a slow 12 at best… never works turning those into 13s :)

  • Comment 171, posted at 05.12.11 14:57:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • MJ = 13
    Tim Whitehead = 13
    Paul Jordaan = 13 imo
    Wandile Mjekevu = 13

    Meyer Bosman = 12

    So what is being done to bolster our 12′s? :???:

  • Comment 172, posted at 05.12.11 14:57:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 171) : You see my concern is about our 12′s as well.

  • Comment 173, posted at 05.12.11 14:59:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 172) : JLP could be either 12 or 13 in addition to 10. Whitehead can also be a 12. Lambie is a bloody good 12 too and I think Viljoen could be one too.

    I see what you mean though. Not many 12 options. My hope is that they will give Heimar Williams a shot should they need another 12

  • Comment 174, posted at 05.12.11 15:05:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben: frans steyn my fellow sharks supporter :-)

  • Comment 175, posted at 05.12.11 15:12:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 175) : :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 176, posted at 05.12.11 15:17:42 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan: how is newman’s defence? (Morgan “the”newman in the centre for sharks..just working on a headline).

  • Comment 177, posted at 05.12.11 15:18:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 175) : New headlines is as follows

    Super Star center returns to his beloved Sharks(F Steyn) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 178, posted at 05.12.11 15:27:35 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover: now that is a headline I’d save as a wallpaper! :-D

  • Comment 179, posted at 05.12.11 15:30:26 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 167) : Yep, he is a 12

  • Comment 180, posted at 05.12.11 15:37:55 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) and how would you rate his defence?

  • Comment 181, posted at 05.12.11 15:48:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan:please share a link of photos showing mjekevu and newman at sharks training,if you get?

  • Comment 182, posted at 05.12.11 15:53:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 182) : you do know where I live, right?

  • Comment 183, posted at 05.12.11 16:42:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 172) : Nah, surely we`ll go with Whitehead at 12 !

  • Comment 184, posted at 05.12.11 16:53:52 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 184) : They’ve been trying Joubert at 12 as well.

  • Comment 185, posted at 05.12.11 16:56:46 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan: lol I know it is nowhere near king’s park or kp1 :-D
    Meant if you somehow find a link on the internet to please share it with us :-)

  • Comment 186, posted at 05.12.11 17:05:05 by bergshark Reply

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  • Seems as if the focus is on centres at the sharks now..just hope they also remember to get quality back-up in a few other positions also..seems like they putting a lot of eggs into one basket.

  • Comment 187, posted at 05.12.11 17:07:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • Anyone know how good newman is on defence?

  • Comment 188, posted at 05.12.11 17:10:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 188) : its a pity we don’t have a EP Kings expert that actually watches their games, to come and give us a bit of feedback on their players like Morgan.

  • Comment 189, posted at 05.12.11 17:18:12 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 189) : Kings games are televised? :twisted:

  • Comment 190, posted at 05.12.11 17:21:47 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 190) : :lol:

  • Comment 191, posted at 05.12.11 17:23:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 190) : that’s why I added the “that actually watches their games” part.

    I didn’t even know Newman played for them.

  • Comment 192, posted at 05.12.11 17:25:56 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 187) : Like what positions? Only other position I can think off is 4. We have quality backup in all other positions I think.

  • Comment 193, posted at 05.12.11 17:25:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 187) : @Ben (Comment 193) : Here is the backup players in their positions as I have it.

    1. Chadwick, Van Staden
    2. Burden, Cooper
    3. Herbst, Van Staden
    4. ?
    5. Hargreaves
    6. Botes
    7. Deysel
    8. M Coetzee
    9. Hoffman
    10. Michalak, JLP
    11. Sbura
    12. ?
    13. ?
    14. Odwa
    15. Ludik

    All of those are quality backup players except maybe Hoffman. He hasn’t convinced me yet.

  • Comment 194, posted at 05.12.11 17:31:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 193) : I don’t think we shd buy scrumhalves but this is a possie that worries me even more than lock where Plum has been the architect of much of the loss of fan confidence by placing such a high value on the worth of Deysel in the starting line-up.

    I can’t disagree that a safety net lock added to the squad to make 5 specialists wud provide ease of mind but this might be a luxury and might have come at the expense of an existing squad member at this stage.

  • Comment 195, posted at 05.12.11 17:35:32 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 195) : How far do you think PS du Toit is from SR?

  • Comment 196, posted at 05.12.11 17:41:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 196) : A long way still. I’d say an absolute min of 2 years. But all indications are that he’s going to be a star player. His workrate is unbelievable.

    We have another young lock that works hard. Maybe not as talented as PSdT but I think he has the attitude to succeed. He needs to add some bulk tho and improve his strength – Stephan Lewies. With Mike Williams having left KZN, Lewies might be in line for more u21 action in 2012 than anyone might have anticipated at the start of 2011.

  • Comment 197, posted at 05.12.11 17:54:18 by beet Reply
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  • @beet: and jandre marais?by the stats of him,I think he also showed a high work rate.
    Thing is:when we lost both sykes and mostert we lost really good players with the e : experience.

  • Comment 198, posted at 05.12.11 18:12:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • Hargreaves needs to really put his hand up..dunno if keeping him and letting rhodes go was the right one?

  • Comment 199, posted at 05.12.11 18:13:57 by bergshark Reply

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  • Wouldve been an ideal situation if you could blood the inexperienced locks like bresler,jandre marais next to a sykes and mostert.

  • Comment 200, posted at 05.12.11 18:15:58 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet: one doesn’t know how much money is available ti the sharks for contracting player..because if money wasn’t a problem I’d ask you how lauaki is looking these days lol (thinking of back up in the ball carrier loose forward role ).

  • Comment 201, posted at 05.12.11 18:21:43 by bergshark Reply

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  • A big experienced ball carrier in the lock position really isn’t a luxury if one takes the sharks game plan into account.
    @beet: I’d like for kockott to come back – heck,his goalkicking alone might have seen us win a game or at least earn some bonus points this past sr season. But the big concern remains his handling .needs to sort that out if he wants to go further and become a bok.

  • Comment 202, posted at 05.12.11 18:26:45 by bergshark Reply

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  • Keeping rhodes wouldve covered 4 and 7

  • Comment 203, posted at 05.12.11 18:31:08 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 198) : Well Jandre is already an active senior player, having made the step up.

    Over the u21 season as a whole, Peet was easily the best lock we had as well as being one of the best players in his position nationally at age-group level and possibly even one of the best overall players in u21 rugby nationally.

    I remember the Brumbies last season under David Nucifora. They lost the Aussie lock pair of Harrison and Vickermann to the Tahs in the offseason and basically had to start 2 inexperienced/ untested players in young Mark Chisholm and club player Ridiki Samo. Both men stood out. The Brumbies finished 1st on the log and won SR that year. From an individual brilliance point of view they had the many world class match winning players around the locks whereas the Sharks only have a few guys in that league in our team but the Sharks can try to mimic them by playing as a unit with good understanding the Brumbies had back then.

    My point is young inexperienced locks can get the job done as well as seasoned pros if they have the ability. They will just need to learn the ropes a bit faster.

  • Comment 204, posted at 05.12.11 18:32:18 by beet Reply
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  • Will catch a breather and let someone else post a comment now :-D

  • Comment 205, posted at 05.12.11 18:33:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 202) : I don’t want Kockott back even if he singlehandedly helps Castres win the Top 14. I heard he was no good for team morale.

  • Comment 206, posted at 05.12.11 18:36:32 by beet Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 201) : Re: Lauaki : I don’t think SA teams are in a position to over NZers more than the NZRU wud have paid them + with NZ’s strict rules there isn’t much point to playing SR for a non-NZ franchise if you’re entertaining the thoughts of playing test rugby.

    I also can’t see why we’d want to add another ballcarrier at this stage. It’s going to be enough of a headache finding space for Alberts, Deysel and Coetzee in the starting lineup. All 3 are very similar players.

    If I was looking to add variation amongst my loosies I’d be tempted to part ways with Botes and bring into the system a player like Corne Steenkamp of the Pumas or Nizaam Carr as an opensider or Marnus Schoeman of the Griquas or offer more oppos to Frans Kleinhans. I think 1 of these 4 could add more value without complicating matters.

  • Comment 207, posted at 05.12.11 18:46:54 by beet Reply
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  • @beet: had dinner and watched tv news.matfield been appointed as line out specialist at the bulls for next year’s sr season.
    Also heard that digby ioane has been offered a 8mil a year (in rand) contract at a japanese club.

  • Comment 208, posted at 05.12.11 19:25:30 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 207) : What about Jaco Bouwer from Pumas….been very impressed whenever I’ve watched him. Excellent opensider!

  • Comment 209, posted at 05.12.11 19:27:12 by Villie Reply
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  • @beet: isn’t plum going to play deysel at 4 lol (evil) :-|

  • Comment 210, posted at 05.12.11 19:28:07 by bergshark Reply

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  • I’ve watched quite a bit of Mjekevu for both the Lions and Baby Boks and he’s very talented and an exciting player. I wouldn’t say that he is big though…tall yes but still fairly scrawny but that is to be expected as he’s only 20 and still plenty time to fill out.

    He did lose a bit of form last season after his injury and it didn’t help for the Baby Boks when Dawie Theron kept chopping and changing his side. I tend to agree with Beet that he is probably better off on the wing for now but could possibly develop into a 13 down the line. Let’s hope he performs well during his trial and is snapped up.

  • Comment 211, posted at 05.12.11 19:31:44 by Villie Reply
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  • @beet: nizaam carr been included in the stormers sr training squad..gonna be diff getting him away from there now.

  • Comment 212, posted at 05.12.11 19:32:05 by bergshark Reply

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  • We need to (hypothetical now) get 4 (deysel,alberts,coetzee and lauaki
    ) Into16 sr games (not counting possible knock out(s) ) and then the cc .so we play 2 at a time and one on the bench?

  • Comment 213, posted at 05.12.11 19:37:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • We need to (hypothetical now) get 4 (deysel,alberts,coetzee and lauaki
    ) Into16 sr games (not counting possible knock out(s) ) and then the cc .so we play 2 at a time (some games) and one ( or two)on the bench( in other games)?just an idea..don’t wanna see a situation where alberts is over-played .and yes I know we have deysel and coetzee to cover there.but if the money was available to entertain this idea,I’d like to see it.( Depending on his form ,naturally).
    Put it out there:now busy taking cover from the flak about to come my way lol

  • Comment 214, posted at 05.12.11 19:42:02 by bergshark Reply

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  • That didn’t come out right lol what I want to say is: I’m thinking of luauki as back up more for alberts .don’t wanna see him played into the ground.

  • Comment 215, posted at 05.12.11 19:46:41 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Villie (Comment 209) : True. He has been a standout player this season and probably even more of a genuine openside player than Corne Steenkamp. I think the thing that makes me look past Bouwer is his age. I read somewhere that he is 28 and I was sort of looking at younger players. But even a guy like Bouwer on a 1 season contract might be worth our while.

  • Comment 216, posted at 05.12.11 20:34:25 by beet Reply
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  • Would love to see Lobberts in the black and white jersey with a number 4 on his back. Our pack with him there would be unfair, no pack would stop us.

  • Comment 217, posted at 05.12.11 20:55:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 217) : He’s the same height as Deysel and probably weaker as well. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 218, posted at 05.12.11 21:03:56 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 122) : just swop 15 and 10

  • Comment 219, posted at 06.12.11 10:46:28 by Franshark Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 207) : Agreed re our loosies. We need an openside to compliment our ball carriers. I like the look of Marnus Schoeman. Think he was on loan at Griquas. Was one of the top try scorers in the U21 competition in 2010. SA Schools in 2006/2007. If we dont get another openside in then I reckon Chris Cloete should be given a crack.

  • Comment 220, posted at 06.12.11 16:13:09 by slammerboy Reply
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  • I saw Morgan Newman play for Maties this year. He looked very average.

  • Comment 221, posted at 06.12.11 18:03:25 by mikey Reply

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  • @mikey: only on trial- let’s see what happens.

  • Comment 222, posted at 07.12.11 13:59:20 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Villie @beet @slammerboy: doesn’t look like playing an out-and -out fetcher is part of the sharks game plan.
    Now for @SheldonK to say “what’s this fetcher nonsense??!! Every player is a fetcher!!”" :-D ;-)

  • Comment 223, posted at 07.12.11 14:02:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • So I was thinking of another player that could tag team with alberts since I don’t want to see him played into the ground .a player that plum and straeuli would feel comfortable giving start pos in big games.
    @slammerboy: do you know if chris cloete is training with the sharks ?

  • Comment 224, posted at 07.12.11 14:05:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • @mikey: just re-read the arti: morgan newman is on trial basis for the vodacom cup team .

  • Comment 225, posted at 07.12.11 15:24:57 by bergshark Reply

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