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Is Steyn’s agent at it again?


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Springboks on 11 Dec 2011 at 21:34
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We all know the feelings that were aired and accusations that were made against Francois Steyn’s agent Gerrie Swart when Steyn left the Sharks and when Steyn withdrew from the Springbok match against Wales in 2010. Well from reading recent news items it seems, to me anyway, as if Swart is not out to make himself any new friends.

Swart who has in the past been accused by the then SARU Media Manager Anthony Mackaiser, of insisting on acting as a middle man between Steyn and Pieter De Villiers – thereby making his player virtually “uncontactable” was also not popular with the fans when he was seen to be more interested in lining his own pockets than doing what is best for Steyn or South African Rugby.

We also all know that the media is full of tales of Steyn being keen to return to RSA when his contract with Racing Metro expires later this year. I say “tales” because I have my doubts about this and now I have read a statement today which just adds fuel to the fire of my doubts. In an article in which Lions’ provisional CEO, Ruben Moggee confirms that there is currently no offer on the table from the Lions for Steyn’s services, Swart is quoted as saying “We are busy negotiating with Racing (Steyn’s club in France). Frans will always consider playing in South Africa. He wants to play for the Springboks. But there is nothing concrete,”

Why is there any negotiations with Racing Metro? Is Swart merely playing the return to RSA card to get a better contract renewal commission for his back pocket thereby getting all of us excited over something that isn’t going to happen? With the past track record of this agent, I know what I believe his motives are.

Just to refresh your memory here is what Springbok coach De Villiers had to say after Steyn withdrew from the Springbok team to play Wales: There has never been tension between Frans and I. The problem involves me and Frans’s agent Gerrie Swart. Gerrie has poisoned Frans’s mind by saying I don’t want him in the Springbok setup, which is far from the truth. It’s because of these lies that Frans does not want to play for the Boks. Two weeks ago, Gerrie sent me an e-mail saying on Frans’s behalf that he doesn’t want to play for the Boks. He also suggested some players I should replace Frans with.



42 Comments

  • He also suggested some players I should replace Frans with. from agent to Bok selector in one swoop. :cool:

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.12.11 21:38:37 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • The question is:

    Whom did Swart recommend?

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.12.11 22:00:43 by LordHope Reply
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  • Same thing @beet said earlier in the week: that perhaps this is a ploy to increase the offer from racing metro.

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.12.11 22:01:14 by bergshark Reply
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  • How long has he been frans’ agent?

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.12.11 22:02:36 by bergshark Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 4) : Since before he left the Sharks I believe.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.12.11 22:04:08 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Nice article KSA Shark. :wink:

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.12.11 22:06:03 by wpw Reply
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  • Side-shows aside,I’d still really like for frans steyn to join the sharks.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.12.11 22:07:08 by bergshark Reply

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  • @LordHope: ..was thinking the same thing…?

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.12.11 22:07:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • players agents are pond scum and Swart is lower than that.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.12.11 22:39:18 by lostfish Reply
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  • Hmm yeah no, he’ll be staying in France.

    If he’s negotiating with Racing Metro, he won’t be leaving. No way you negotiate, and then turn down the big money.

    Swart is wasting our time.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.12.11 01:48:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 10) : How much is Racing paying him on his current contract?

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.12.11 02:07:48 by Ben Reply
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  • I hope the next Bok coach decides to not select overseas players for the Springboks.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.12.11 02:09:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 12) : On the one hand we would shoot ourselves in the foot with the likes of Frans and JF overseas but on the other hand it might convince players to stay in SA.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.12.11 02:10:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 11) :

    Think he’s getting something like R7 million a year.

    @Ben (Comment 12) :

    Agreed, but at the same time I think we’d be a lot better team with Frans.

    I’d rather think that the next Springbok coach will only look overseas when he’s got nobody close to that level in SA. Leaving the door open for Frans Steyn & Ruan Pienaar.

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.12.11 02:12:37 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 13) :

    Yeah it’s definitely something we need to address,

    and I think if they acted quickly it could still mean Frans moving back.

    But would be a tad unfair to change the ruling after they’d signed contracts overseas.

    I’d hate to miss out on Frans because he’d signed a 3-year extension, only to be told afterwards that this means he won’t be playing for the Springboks.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.12.11 02:14:38 by hendrikp Reply

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  • im still undecided whether Steyn @ the Lions would be a good or a bad thing ..

    i would tend to prefer players like Taute @ 15 ahead of him because he is a local boytjie

    Same story with Hollenbach/Doppies @ 12/13 . Both have shown loyalty and i recon that goes a long way .

    wouldent mind havining him but if he does not come wont be the end of the world …

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.12.11 06:50:17 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 16) : I have my doubts about the longevity of the Hollenbach/Doppies partnership esp with Doppies at 13. Maybe you’ll be dancing to a different tune in a few months time re change in midfield. Or maybe not :smile:

    I am excited about the Lions fierce contesting of tackled ball. Will really be good to see how this improvement stands up to the challenges in SR.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.12.11 07:53:27 by beet Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 16) :

    They’ve been loyal yes, but…

    Frans is still better then any one of those players, including Taute. A lot better actually.

    I don’t think any side can turn him down.

    Don’t think we always realize how far ahead Frans is compared to others playing in the same position. Best backline player in the world if you ask me :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.12.11 07:53:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 17) :

    Think you’re spot on with that one.

    Doppies is a 12. Think we all know that by the way he plays.

    And Hollenbach. I’m not sure he’s got the ‘durability’ to be making a dozen tackles a game plus having to play somewhat of a bash-type game when needed. He’s definitely not a 13 either. Ideally, the way he plays, I’d have thought he’d have spent his career at fullback :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.12.11 07:59:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Where Steyn will fit best in SA is all irrelevant IMO. The SR teams are being taken for a ride.

    The guy will IMO stay in France.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.12.11 08:07:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • The best team in SA for Steyn would be the Cheetahs, they like to run at everything and play an expansive game just like Steyn. There is no other team in SA that suits him better. The Bulls play 10man rugby, WP don’t know how to score a try, Sharks had there chance with him and they are known to play the wrong players in wrong positions and the Lions are just to structured under Mitchell and wont take Steyn’s nonsense

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.12.11 08:11:58 by Mutley Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 17) :

    For a change im excited about SR next season . really hoping we can pull it off . i think we have some flexibility in midfield with Mapoe and Butch , so we will see

    @hendrikp (Comment 18) :

    yes . Frans is a fantastic player . im not denying that . My question is not wether or not frans is a good player . my question is how will he fit into the Lions set up .

    Hollenbach is a hard working player . He never just got what ever he wanted . he had to work for it ..

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.12.11 08:16:01 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 21) : So he should play for a losing team, just because he fits in there? Wrong call IMO.

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.12.11 08:22:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) :

    so then he should go to the Bulls …

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.12.11 08:29:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) : I’m afraid they will be at best the 3rd placed SA team in 2012.

    BUT as I said having these discussions are futile. We are being played by a guy who only serves his own back pocket. All the talk is from the agent and nothing from Steyn. (We need to remember who to be pissed off at when it is announced that Steyn will stay in France.)

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.12.11 08:50:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) :

    true true . just for the record . you going ? Sharks , Stormers , Bulls , Cheetahs , Lions ?

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.12.11 08:58:24 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Thought ‘silly season’ is over. And all this speculation when his contract only expires July 2012. Plenty can happen in that time……

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.12.11 09:06:09 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) : I think there is evidence since 1990 to suggest that SA rugby works in cycles. At the moment it looks like the Lions are on the up and the form at the back end of 2011 suggests that the Bulls without the visibly dominant pack and assertive scrumhalf of the last few years along with the Sharks’ absence of a solution to the retarded tactical approach (no new coaching personnel with fresh ideas brought in to assist) might be on a downward spiral.
    The only thing likely to halt the Lions upward cycle are their finances imho.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.12.11 09:08:49 by beet Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) : 100% correct

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.12.11 09:15:26 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • im not so sure about the bulls truggling next year

    their backup is not as bad as some suggest

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.12.11 09:16:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 26) :

    Nope.

    Stormers
    Sharks
    Lions, Bulls
    Cheetahs.

    undecided on the difference between the Lions and Bulls.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.12.11 09:28:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) :

    i dont know . so many teams have lost so many quality players .

    the stormers are one midfield injury away from having a big problem.

    For me the Lions should do better then the bulls . that is if the Lions can play like they played in the semis and finals .

    Do the Lions have enough Dept ? i read somewhere we are aiming for 3 players in each position . not sure if that would imply 3 centers , or 3 inside centers and 3 outside centers . i think it should be the latter . you cant really risk having only one inside our outside center . or any position liek that for the matter .

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.12.11 09:39:56 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 10) :Agree!!*

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.12.11 10:30:06 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Wonder how much he can get for frans in japan..? :-|
    @KSAShark: do you know exactly when he became the player’s agent?

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.12.11 11:03:39 by bergshark Reply

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  • you guys should listen to me… he’s going to the Cheetahs

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.12.11 11:17:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : Seems like I’m the only oke willing to stake a 13.5% confidence level in what you’re been saying for a while now. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.12.11 11:19:59 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : I believe you.

    All this to `ing and fro`ing is getting tiresome, he should just come out and make up his mind.

    What`s the use of signing Steyn when Plumtree will probably just select Bosman and Joubert anyway?

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.12.11 12:01:28 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    I’m going to not listen to you, because I can’t see why he would turn down big money after negotiating with Racing Metro… makes no sense to even negotiate if you have no intention of staying.

    But if you’re right, I won’t doubt you again… for a while at least :mrgreen:

    Oh, and I’ll be very happy for the Cheetahs. Frans could be key to them going very far in the S15.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.12.11 12:03:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 11) : Last i heard it was 750 000 euros a season…

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.12.11 08:23:03 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 39) :

    Correct, 750K Euros

    @hendrikp (Comment 38) :

    And you should listen to Rob.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.12.11 11:26:57 by Morné Reply
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  • Steyn is window-shopping. The same way my dad taught me to bargain in the Durban bazaar when I was visiting my gran as a kid.

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.12.11 01:08:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : he might think he wants to go to Bloem and start farming but when the time comes…think he’ll follow the Du Plessis’ brothers’ model.

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.12.11 09:32:42 by GreatSharksays Reply

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