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Jacobs wasting his chances?


Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Stormers, Super Rugby on 11 Dec 2011 at 15:32
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Former Sharks and Springbok centre Adi Jacobs appears unlikely to become a Stormer despite an approach from coach Allister Coetzee.

Rugby 365 reports that the Stormers have suddenly found themselves with a shortage of experience in the midfield, following the news that Bok star Jaque Fourie would not be returning from Japan to boost their resources in 2012.

The Cape Town side have also lost the services of Timmy Whitehead and Johann Sadie, who have signed for the Sharks and Bulls respectively, leaving Coetzee with Jean de Villiers and Juan de Jongh as his only experienced centres.

Jacobs, who left the Sharks at the end of his contract, has returned to the Western Cape – where he was born in Kraaifontein, but according to Die Burger has not responded to the Stormers’ enquiries about his availability.

Coetzee told the newspaper that Jacobs had not responded to an invitation to train with the squad, which is why the he has been omitted from the 53-man pre-season training squad.

What the 31-year-old’s plans are for the future remain a mystery, but silence regarding the Stormers offer could indicate that he may head overseas.

Jacobs would offer some experience to the Stormers should they persuade him to link up with the squad, as youngsters Marcel Brache, Berton Klaasen, Adrian Kritzinger and Michael van der Spuy are next in line to make their Super Rugby debuts.

Stormers pre-season training squad: Gio Aplon, Reuben Johannes, Donovan Armand, Rohan Kitshoff, Andries Bekker, Steven Kitshoff, Wicus Blaauw, Berton Klaasen, Tom Botha, Siya Kolisi, Marcel Brache, Nick Köster, Schalk Burger, Adrian Kritzinger, Nizaam Carr, Deon Carstens, Clement Lewis, Demetri Catrakilis, Tiaan Liebenberg, Kurt Coleman, Hilton Lobberts, Bolla Conradie, Frans Malherbe, Juan de Jongh, Scarra Ntubeni, Jean de Villiers, Joe Pietersen, JP du Plessis, Danie Poolman, Dewaldt Duvenage, Quinn Roux, Rynhardt Elstadt, Louis Schreuder, Eben Etzebeth, De Kock Steenkamp, Nick Fenton-Wells, Tim Swiel, Schalk Ferreira, Ricky Schroeder, Deon Fourie, Gary van Aswegen, Burton Francis, Gerhard van den Heever, Peter Grant, Hein van der Merwe, Nic Groom, Michael van der Spuy, Bryan Habana, Willem van Wyk, Brok Harris, Allister Vermaak, Yaya Hartzenberg, Duane Vermeulen.



49 Comments

  • How can he not respond? The guy is looking for a team, why would he ignore the invitation?

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.12.11 15:36:54 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Some surprising names in there the biggest of which is Bolla Conradie.

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.12.11 15:38:13 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Perhaps he wants an overseas retirement package.

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.12.11 17:27:18 by lostfish Reply
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  • Peter Grant…? I thought he was still in Japan?

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.12.11 17:34:25 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Bolla was a nominee for CC 1st Div player of the year. So maybe not such a big surprise that he’s included in a squad of 53 names. No doubt he’ll be 1 of the 23 chops later on.

    The 2 players I’m curious about are Conrad Jantjes and Elgar Watts. I know Watts is injured but he appears to be heading towards a dead-end in the W/Cape. He really needs to expand his horizons. Jantjes looks to be in the same boat as Jacobs. Overnight the good cushy batting wicket has suddenly turned mamba-green and these 2 tailenders have been caught unawares. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.12.11 17:44:42 by beet Reply
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  • Here are the Stormers not so well-known players:

    Hookers: Clemen Lewis,
    Props: Tom Botha, Hein van der Merwe, Schalk Ferreira, Willem van Wyk, Allistair Vermaak
    Locks: Donovan Armand, Yaya Hartzenberg (altho he’s more of a l/fwd)
    Loose forwards: Reuben Johannes
    Scrumhalves: Ricky Schroeder (qualifies to play WP u21 in 2012)
    Flyhalves: Tim Swiel (qualifies to play WP u19 in 2012)
    Centes: JP du Plessis (qualifies to play WP u21 in 2012), Adrian Kritzinger, Michael van der Spuy (qualifies to play WP u21 in 2012)

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.12.11 17:46:46 by beet Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 4) : He comes back for Super Rugby when the season in Japan ends.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.12.11 17:51:16 by lostfish Reply
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  • beet
    As far as I know Connie Jantjes is off to play in France.

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.12.11 19:07:50 by wpw Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 7) : I know he’s returning to the Stormers, but he’s currently in Japan, so including his name in a pre-season training group seems a trifle redundant…

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.12.11 19:52:18 by Culling Song Reply
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  • But Fourie signed a two year contract with a Yapanese team?

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.12.11 22:09:34 by LordHope Reply

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  • Just realised you are talking about Grant

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.12.11 22:15:01 by LordHope Reply

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  • @LordHope (Comment 11) : :smile:

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.12.11 22:16:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @beet: I dunno if the stormers aren’t perhaps missing a trick by not playing watts?
    Deadly goalkicker,eye for the gap and the pace to to slice thru the defence and he doesn’t seem a liability on defence.plus a really good dummy pass .

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.12.11 22:19:04 by bergshark Reply

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  • @LordHope: eish .. :-D

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.12.11 22:20:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • When do the sharks players go on Christmas break? And when do they return ?

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.12.11 22:27:57 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 9) : true but I guess he is there because he is guaranteed to make the squad.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.12.11 22:40:24 by lostfish Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 6) :

    Gonna be a heck of a strong WP U21 team next year.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.12.11 02:02:55 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 17) :

    Might even call it a bit of ‘depth’ at U21 level.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.12.11 02:09:55 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 18) : I think the CC might take it’s toll on the WP u21 challenge again in 2012, it just depends on availability of SR players at the back end of the season.

    For fear of being accused of triggering a Muzi onslaught, I won’t mention the team that I believe holds the junior rugby depth cards for 2012.

    I actually believed that the Sharks will be favourites going into next year’s u21 campaign, based on the number of players that wud be returning for a 2nd year (unusual in the past to have so may with u21 experience coming back). But our team doesn’t have that much depth and right now, we look to be short of at least 1 quality lock.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.12.11 08:00:12 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 19) :

    Can’t see the Bulls doing it again at that level because I think they’ll head to the CC final (and probably win it)… That means most likely missing out on a few players that made them so damn good this year.

    You’re right about Province U21 losing lots to the senior side, but even taking a few of those out we could be in a decent spot. Maybe not enough to win though :mrgreen:

    Probable to be playing for senior side at some stage: Steven Kitshoff, Scarra Ntubeni, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Siya Kolisi, Nizaam Carr, Timo Swiel & JP du Plessis – (Ricky Schroeder, William van Wyk & Michael van der Spuy also included in Stormers training group).

    So a guess at it:
    1 Adriaan Botha
    2 Renier Marais
    3 Justin Ackerman
    4 Wilhelm van der Sluys
    5 Gerbrandt Grobler
    6 Beyers de Villiers
    7 Cobus Nel
    8 Rayn Smid
    9 Ricky Schroeder
    10 Dillyn Leyds
    11 Devon Williams
    12 Michael van der Spuy
    13 Patrick Howard
    14 Tshotsho Mbovane
    15 Craig Barry

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.12.11 08:10:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Odds are Jacobs will sign for Boland and then end up playing for Stomers should they need him. ALtho i think they are rather going to back the u21s they used in stages during the CC.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.12.11 08:28:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 20) : The Province site had Willem van Wyk listed as a prop but I think you’re right, this is William van Wyk.
    I suspect he’ll start at 10 for WP u21 with Tim Swiel operating from his most familiar possie of fullback. This might prompt a move of Craig Barry to wing. I remember it wasn’t the most popular opinion on another blog in 2010, when I suggested that Swiel was a better FB than SA schools player Barry, who was darn good. Anyway, if Swiel is to earn a starting spot in u21, he’ll have to take out an SA Sch player, one way or the other – van Wyk or Barry.
    Leyds will have his work cut out for him trying to break into the team.
    I’d also be keen to see how a guy like flank Jody Reyneke goes. He was one of the players disadvantaged by being u19 in matric. Also don’t forget wings Clearance and Sizo. They might stand an outside chance if Tshosho goes up. Am a big fan of Cobus Nel and I like Beyers and Smid but the compo at this level is hot and they might take some strain.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.12.11 09:02:21 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 22) :

    Sarugby.net has a 2010 Maties prop listed in its player profiles called Willem van Wyk, but I can’t see how he would have made this considering that was the only squad he’s been a part of and didn’t play for any representative teams in 2011.

    Word is Rassie wants to invest in Timo Swiel as their flyhalf of the future, so I don’t think they’ll be playing him at fullback much. Probably be part of the senior side though for parts of the season (off the bench?) with Grant most likely not being around.

    I like the idea of Craig Barry on the wing. If there’s one thing we’re short on, it’s quality wingers. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.12.11 09:16:44 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 22) :

    Will be a tough midfield to get into as well with Kobus van Wyk, Michael van der Spuy, Patrick Howard & JP du Plessis.

    Guessing one of the first three will end up on the bench, and reckon JP will be in the senior side by then… similar to what they did with Sadie this year. Otherwise one will be missing out.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.12.11 09:20:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 24) : Of all the van Wyks in Province, Kobus is the 1 I’m most desperate to see play. He was injured for the Sharks u19 game at KP. Warren Seals who went to my old school played and scored an amazing try. Seals is a gifted sportsman with good allround ability but his head isn’t always in the right place. Province seem to have sorted him out – he scored a sensational solo effort try against the Sharks u19.

    Personally the centre choices are easy for me : vd Spuy and JP. Deadly combo, oosing creativity.

    I actually know someone close to the Swiels. Tim is an amazing fullback. Drifts and carves up defences at will. He moved to flyhalf at Bishops this year coz of a need rather than a want. They basically had no one else with class to fill the slot.

    For some useless info, earlier this year I asked a Bishops old boy who was around for Ehrentraut, who was one of the most amazing SBR players of all times in this country and even received the greatest ever compliment from Doc Craven, to compare Swiel to the former star Bishops FB. Swiel is class but was told he didn’t come close to Ehrentraut in ability. Off course, sadly Ehrentraut didn’t get far in senior rugby, never fulfilling his true potential. We’ll see how Swiel goes. I think he has the potential to reach G&G level. I love his passing game.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.12.11 09:39:15 by beet Reply
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  • @beet: michael ehrentraut?

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.12.11 11:09:40 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 26) : Doc Danie Craven once said he was the best SBR player the Doc had ever seen.

    He had a game or 2 for Province then later played for Vrystaat but he can’t match his ability as a SBR player. In my opinion he wasn’t tough enough for senior rugby. Its a big jump. Not all players make it.

    Watermeyer is another player people wud have bet their lives on to make Boks one day based on his school rugby exploits.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.12.11 11:18:24 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 27) : There are so many talented boys at school level but that is usually the ceiling of their potential. Just look at how many of the u21′s fade away and are never heard from again.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.12.11 11:35:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 28) : So true.

    I’ll even put a step in-between, of all the talented SBR players only a handful make it to u19, u20, u21 level.

    That said the 2 players mentioned above were cream of the crop – the sort of players you’d bank on to get to the top. :smile:
    In his defence, I think Ehrentraut had a few injury setbacks. Watermeyer played senior provincial and SR. Not many guys from his year have done that. So probably not failures but relative to where they were expected to end up, they fell far short.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.12.11 11:43:46 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 29) :

    that’s why hyping up Goosen and all the new bulls players doesnt cut it for me :P

    Show me the money at SR level please :mrgreen:

    Even a guy like taute first needs a good SR season before he can think about green and gold

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.12.11 11:54:17 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 29) : It would be interesting to see how many boys who excelled at Craven week make it to u19, then u20 and after that u21 and then who go onto senior rugby and see where the majority of them fall short.

    I see Watermeyer has just signed to play for the Ospreys.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.12.11 11:58:49 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 30) :

    As long as you have Taute in there I’m happy. Don’t want people only putting Goosen in that box :mrgreen:

    The same counts for Jantjies. Needs a solid SR season before even thinking he’ll be starting 10 for the Springboks.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.12.11 12:08:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 30) : I agree. It makes a lot of sense not to put the horse before the cart.

    However sometimes you get to see a schoolboy who is just a cut above his peers and you can’t help but get excited about his future potential and that’s when you get carried away.

    I try my best not to make these brave predictions anymore but with Goosen, I was so awestruck by what he could do at SBR level that I’m just as guilty as the next guy who said he’d be a Bok. In my case, I claimed he’d be starting 10 for the Boks at RWC 2015, this before he’d even finished school. Madness!

    Fortunately he’s produced that sublime performance against the Sharks in Bloem – arguable the best individual performance by a player in the CC this year. Many Boks have earned caps based solely on their Currie Cup form in the past. This line of thinking may be changing as S/Hemisphere rugby evolves but for now the CC still carries a lot of weight.
    For example, many SW fans have forgiven Meyer Bosman for his SR shortcomings, based on his recent CC form???

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.12.11 12:15:57 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 33) :

    You’re right about Goosen though,

    he’s destined to be our starting 10 for probably at least the next 2 World Cups.

    I hope :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.12.11 12:21:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 34) : And Lambie is just thrown onto the scrap heap at the age of 21 ;-)

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.12.11 12:47:45 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 35) : No, not by a longshot. Lambie is an outstanding player, a homegrown talent. A player worthy of our praise and support. Hopefully he’ll help the Sharks to win many more titles.

    Wanting the best for the Bokke and supporting Goosen shouldn’t be translated as kicking Lambie in the head. I’m a big Goosen fan but it doesn’t mean I’m ungrateful for the massive contribution Pat Lambie has already made to our cause at the Sharks and for the Bokke.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.12.11 12:55:28 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 32) :

    well i think any player should first prove him @SR level . like Beet said in another topic its a big step up even from u/19 to u/21 . so i recon CC and boks might as well be different sports .

    im hoping Taute and Jantjies can make the step up but they have to show they have the mental toughness to do it

    @beet (Comment 33) : No Problem at all with getting excited . My thinking is that somebody like Lambie or Jantjies do ATM have more experience then somebody like Goosen does . so in the case that both Goosen and Elton have a good of a season in SR you would think that since Elton have more experiance you would go with him . Bit if Elton fails and has a horrid season and Goosen helps FS to win SR i would go with him . Thats sort of my thinking . Heck we might end up with Lambie @ 10 and everybody will be happy :P

    im hoping the whole Lions team have a great SR season . hehe but lets wait and see ;)

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.12.11 13:01:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 35) :

    I agree with Eddie Jones in that I think Lambie’s test future is at 15.

    Definitely not the scrapheap.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.12.11 13:06:17 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 37) : I actually think young Elton has played just as well this CC as he did in the 2010 CC. It’s just that the guys around him have stepped up a bit more this time round and obviously the CC 2011 featured fewer test players – something that didn’t have much impact on the Lions.

    If they both have good seasons, I still think you have to consider player with the greater potential and the player that fits the system better as neither of them have test level experience to fall back on.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.12.11 13:18:09 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 39) : Thats exactly why i say they should have a good SR season . Because off the gap between Currie cup (with the boks away) and SR (against Boks Ozzie and kiwi test players). Elton might fail and break down . or maybe he wont . Same goes for Goosen . Unfortunately i dont think thats something you can predict . How the player will perform in that moment .

    If both of them have blinders , well then the coach will probably do as you said you would and take the guy with more potential. if that would be the right choice we will have to wait and see . but somehow i cant see both of them having a great season . i think it will be one or the other .

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.12.11 13:30:06 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Could also depend on if brussow is fit.he could win a few t/o for cheetahs which could give goosen opp to shine in broken play?

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.12.11 13:34:08 by bergshark Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 33) : I’m not one of those SW fans. :)

    A LOT of people look at CC performances and call for players to be Springboks or expect teams to perform well in SR based on the previous CC.

    There are many examples of the CC not being a tough enough comp to judge players or teams well enough.

    CC Lions 2010 v SR Lions 2011 is a classic example and then there is Gary Botha CC 2010 v the SR 2011 version. Sharks locks CC 2010 v SR 2011. etc.

    Meyer Bosman’s half decent 2011 CC has done nothing to make me believe he will be any less woeful in the 2011 S15 than he was in 2011.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.12.11 13:36:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Lambie vs jantjes vs goosen : I’d put lambie in 3rd place if it came to rating goalkicking .
    Lambie will have to work on this ( if kockott comes back to the sharks or not ).

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.12.11 13:37:38 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 37) : Goosen helps FS to win SR?? :shock:

    Did you mean to say “Goosen helps FS to finally win a SR game” :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.12.11 13:41:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) :

    well here to hoping the Lions can pull it off in 2012 .not saying they will most defiantly do well . Im saying they have the potential to perform well . Same goes for the players

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 44) :

    hahah :grin:

    i cant say much since my time have a (mildly put) poor SR record of late …

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.12.11 13:49:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 36) : @hendrikp (Comment 38) : I think we need to have a sarcasm font here :grin:

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.12.11 14:38:07 by lostfish Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 36) : It is great that it seems there are 2 excellent flyhalves just waiting to shine for the Boks. When last did the Boks have what you could call a world class flyhalf?

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.12.11 14:39:50 by lostfish Reply
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  • Re: adi jacobs: latest news on his plans?

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