Richard Ferguson

Pat at 10 and other good news – updated


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 12 Jan 2012 at 11:09
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Sharks coach John Plumtree held a press conference and the following key areas were discussed, some positive and some a little negative.

Plumtree was positive about the different way of tackling pre-season, with a much more individualistic approach, as mentioned previously on Sharksworld, as well keeping the guys on track with their own programmes over the Christmas break. The success of this approach will only be seen once the season starts and the players have taken the hits on a weekly basis. The first taste of the success of this can be seen when the Sharks tackle each other in a trial match on 4 February.

Speaking briefly on the Neo Africa Tri-Series, Plumtree mentioned that they have decided to pull out based on the fact that the Sharks play the Stormers early on in the SupeRugby tournament, and that he is against this type of double match up. Secondly, the Sharks have never performed well in Cape Town, and the option to play a game against Boland at Kings Park was preferred.

The two warm up matches against Boland (at home) and the EP Kings (away) will provide some tough opposition for the Sharks, according to Plumtree. Both matches will go a long way in preparing the side to be ready once they take the field against the Bulls in the opening round of the SupeRugby tournament.

The focus was turned to Pat Lambie, and the question over which position the young man will play was always going to surface. Plumtree is excited to play Pat at flyhalf, with the squad having two great fullbacks in Riaan Viljoen and Louis Ludik already. The good news is that the Sharks will have Frenchman Freddie Michalak available for the SupeRugby campaign, which gives the team good depth in that department. Michalak can also cover scrumhalf, which is another position where he might be called upon, especially after news of Conrad Hoffmann’s injury.

The new men in the squad were mentioned, with both Riaan Viljoen and Tim Whitehead receiving praise from their coach, with Viljoen referred to as an experienced and outstanding attacking player, while it was mentioned that Whitehead has been on Plumtree’s radar for some time now, and that the player will finally have an opportunity to step up. This is great news in my books, as it will certainly mean that the player will get his fair share of game time.

Gouws Prinsloo and Paul Jordaan both impressed the coach in the Sharks Under 21 campaign last year, and with such exciting players bubbling under, we can expect them to make an impact off the bench or at some stage during the campaign.

The two areas of most concern in the Sharks setup at the moment are at lock and in the centres. At lock, Ross Skeate found some good form in the latter half of last year, and will be pushing Al Hargreaves for that 5 jersey, whereas the ball carrying lock will be between Jandre Marais and Anton Bresler. Add into the mix the young Piet-Steph du Toit, and we have quite a bit of depth in the second row. Plumtree did make it clear that playing Alberts or Deysel at lock would not be his first choice, but that it might happen during a game.

In the midfield, the combination of Marius Joubert and Meyer Bosman have undergone a series of conditioning programmes and should come out firing in the new season. They will be supported by both Tim Whitehead and Paul Jordaan, which gives the team a nice bit of competition for the two jerseys.

In more positive news, John Plumtree has said that the captaincy announcement will be made next week



110 Comments

  • Sounds promising but the mentioning of Joubert still has me worried :???:

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.01.12 11:26:45 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Thanks Rich. Good news indeed.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.01.12 11:26:54 by war1 Reply
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  • Nothing mentioned about Mjekevu (not sure about spelling)?…

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.01.12 11:40:24 by mbay-shark Reply

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  • I hope Plum sticks to what he’s said. Lambie at 10 thank goodness!

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.01.12 11:41:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Finally Plum, Pat is the best 10 in SA and soon to be the world if they just play him at 10

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.01.12 11:42:56 by Mutley Reply

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  • Steady on boys. Plum has said Pat will play 10, he has not said he will play 10 ahead of Michalak.

    I’ve learnt early on that Plumtree should only be believed when he is seen.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.01.12 11:50:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Fred may prefer to play 10 but he has been “contracted” at Toulon as a 9…

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.01.12 11:55:02 by lostfish Reply
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  • That is great news. Great news.

    I like these early noises coming from Plum. He clearly rates Whitehead which is awesome. He has the potential to go all the way.

    Joubert has to prove himself. One or two average performances and Im sorry but he has to go. Too many talented youngsters out there.

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.01.12 12:04:26 by John Galt Reply

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  • He did say fred prefers 10 but he can play that off the bench…..sounds good to me

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.01.12 12:05:04 by juba_fan Reply

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  • it all sounds very promising….. lets hope……

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.01.12 12:21:04 by Franshark Reply
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  • the S15 game against the bulls are gonna be huge……

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.01.12 12:22:41 by Franshark Reply
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  • It was lousy losing the Currie Cup final period but in the fashion we did lose it made it even harder to stomach. However from that bad, good is hopefully going to come, as the Sharks realised they need a fresh approach and better personnel in certain departments.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.01.12 12:27:22 by beet Reply

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  • I think Pieter-Steph was the best aquisition the Sharks Union made for the 2011 season. Our guys stole him from right under the noses of the WP boys. Really good work.

    It’s hard to image he’ll be really for SR action come the end of Feb but if his game and size picks up like Marcell’s did over the same summer break last year, the sky is the limit.

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.01.12 12:30:14 by beet Reply

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  • Wow, it would have been just great if the Sharks played Boland here in the Winelands… ;-) , all the best for your Super Rugby 2012 season!

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.01.12 12:38:50 by Anneleen Reply

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  • @juba_fan (Comment 9) : I also read that, but can’t seem to find it now…

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.01.12 12:57:43 by mbay-shark Reply

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  • Hi Everyone! Great to join this school of Sharks! I like the input here.
    Bosman & Joubert are both good, experienced players but proved lazy in defence. Maybe they are on their last chance if they can not prove themselves early in the season???

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.01.12 14:20:41 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • “In the midfield, the combination of Marius Joubert and Meyer Bosman have undergone a series of conditioning programmes and should come out firing in the new season.
    Me not convinced… :roll: I’m backing the youngsters

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.01.12 14:22:11 by CapeShark Reply
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  • :twisted: I prefer experience and need to see the young guns prove themselves by going through the downward part of their season first and then see if they can raise themselves from the ashes. I predict that Bosman is going to make a few critical plays. Hope he tips the scales to deserve a place here. Personally not a fan yet! :twisted:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.01.12 14:48:59 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Pleased that Pat will play fh.

    So it looks like we will have Joubert and Bosman as our starting centers :roll: was hoping Plum would go with Mjekevu (if he gets a contract) or Whitehead and Jordaan.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.01.12 14:52:53 by Puma Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 18) : Bosman has to deliver this year. And I believe he will. Hope Whitehead plays outside of him. Cant see Bosman shining with Jouba on his outside.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.01.12 14:54:03 by Ben Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 19) : meant – centres

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.01.12 14:54:23 by Puma Reply

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  • :twisted: I believe we may be okay at centre. We need to be quicker and more effective at the breakdown though. I remember that we proved ineffective at crucial times in both campaigns! Too slow to clean and protect. And we need better discipline!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.01.12 15:01:00 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 17) : meyer bosma, come out firing> bwahahahhaha :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.01.12 16:34:08 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : Joubert (there is only one Jouba) is too much of a cart horse at the moment. His time in Europe (or his age) is showing in his complete lack of form. It just shows that you cannot compare northern hemisphere rugby to southern hemisphere rugby because Joubert was one of the top rated centres in France the last season he played.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.01.12 17:02:00 by lostfish Reply
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  • All good news ! They must give jandre a chance , I could even see him playing 5 -much like johan muller!keep him and this du toit kid for the future …

    If paul jordaan is to be used I wouldn’t hesitate trying him at 10 and shifting pat along to twelve -but ideally pat must have an extended run at pivot however injuries happen . I’m also happy with our midfield and in my opinion we should not be adverse to the idea of rotating players . I think bos/joubert-will be good and first choice ,also bos whithead is an exciting prospect ! Feeling good about this season

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.01.12 19:25:03 by Talent Reply
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  • Just one comment.

    In my opinion the Sharks (compared to the Bulls) got the better center from WP in Whitehead. Pissed about losing him.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.01.12 19:25:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 26) : Hopefully he can live up to the hype unlike the other utility back we got from Province ;-)

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.01.12 19:46:15 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 27) :

    Hoffmann?

    If this guy can stay injury free he will become the premier 9 in SA in a very short space of time.

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.01.12 19:58:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : I hope so. He hasn’t had a decent enough injury free run to prove it though.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.01.12 20:07:04 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 26) : Interesting! You rate him above Sadie? How so? (Perhaps it’s been too long since I’ve seen Whitehead play)

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.01.12 20:15:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 26) :
    Morne, anybody else and I would choke on my earl grey at this one.

    You really think Whitehead is better? I haven’t seen a great deal of him, but I do find that surprising. Why do you think this.

    I agree that Hoffman is very talented – but its the tendency to get injured that worries me. He won’t be the first kid to failure to reach his potential cos of injury.

    I just hope he manages to stay injury-free so that we can see him get to the top of his game.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.01.12 21:04:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 31) : hope the Sharks will give him a chance. So not convinced by our golden oldies in Marius/ Meyer – so do hope they will make me eat my words.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.01.12 21:16:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : :shock: :shock: You have to be joking Morne??

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.01.12 21:16:53 by Villie Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : i think I have to agree with Villie on this one. Good – yes but premier may be a bit too emphatic.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.01.12 21:19:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • To me Hoffman was just that slight bit slower when clearing the ball at the base. He grew a tendancy to look around (alla F du Preez) and spoil attack momentum. He needs game time with Vodcom group again.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.01.12 21:42:41 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • Sorry guys, hectic day – will share my thoughts on Hof and Tim tomorrow.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.01.12 21:47:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : How shall I put this delicately? Er, Morné, are you hitting the bong or the bottleneck?

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.01.12 22:31:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • One player i would still love to see at the sharks is francious hougaard..i love his play..

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.01.12 00:25:44 by shaniboi Reply

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  • Okay first up Hoffmann.

    I don’t know how much you boys have had to see of this lad? But that for now is irrelevant so let’s carry on.

    I have played scrumhalf all my life, and when I got into analysis many years back it was inevitable that it would also be the position I would be most comfortable (and spend the most time on) analyzing. There is no doubt in my mind that scrumhalf is the most difficult position on a field to play. You need to have the fitness of a loose-forward, you need the distribution of a center, you need the explosive power off the mark of an outside back, the vision and measure or ability to control like a flyhalf and be able to read the game like a fullback. Over and above that you cannot have a weak defense and you also need to be able to be more than just an average kicker out of hand.

    Now 80% of what I mentioned above can in fact be coached, and depending on how good a coach you have, you can actually become quite good in this position even if you do not have the natural talent for it. Which is why we sit with so many good (mostly average) scrumhalf’s, but the true greats comes along once in a while.

    Now the great ones I speak of has something you cannot coach – where as a coach you can merely assist in developing and refining it in the player – and this is the ability for a scrumhalf to control the game. It is to me more than the role of a flyhalf and how they ‘control’ a game simply, but not limited to, how much more a scrumhalf is involved in almost every area of play – set and broken. The great scrummies of the world has the ability to manipulate all 30 individuals on the field of play at any given time. He decides which areas of weakness (or strength) to attack in the opposition, and he decides how it is done using people in his own team (again refer to how I believe scrummies abilities to control a game more than a flyhalf).

    For a practical example of this look no further than (in my view the best scrumhalf SA if not the world has seen) Fourie du Preez in the RWC game against England in 2007. Of course no player on earth can play or dictate a game like that week in and week out but if he displays that type of genius on a field, you know you are witnessing something really special. It is more than just being involved, reading plays and making calls – it is a natural ability to control all of that.

    Conrad in WP was unfortunately stuffed around positionally (played fullback, flyhalf, scrumhalf and even wing once I believe). Amazingly he was not bad in any of those positions (refer above to the skills I believe scrummies need to have) but he was never picked consistently in the position all this will come together if he can refine all these skills like Fourie did – and this over a scrumhalf I reckon is one of the most average I have seen at Super Rugby level (he should rather play 10) Duvenhage.

    We have a lot of good, even very good players in South Africa, but small things in games – that something special that sometimes even goes unnoticed sometimes gets me very excited about certain individuals, and Conrad is one of those players and I can only hope he is given the time and opportunity to show it.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.01.12 08:17:56 by Morné Reply
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  • I will give my thoughts on Timmy a bit later.

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  • @Morné (Comment 39) :

    Thanks for the insight Morne.

    We can only hope that you are right and he does hit the form and ability you are talking about.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.01.12 09:13:24 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 41) :

    I forgot to mention, I have seen him bring it all together at 9 personally before – hence my belief he will be able to do it again.

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.01.12 09:18:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) : Morne, I have to agree wth you, sometimes it is the little things that gets one excited. Things like taking 17 minutes to clear the base of every ruck in the Currie Cup Final 2011; that made me VERY excitable… :twisted:

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.01.12 09:20:43 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 42) :

    If so, I hope Plumtree’s optimism comes through and he is fit again in a few weeks, instead of a few months.

    Morne, seeing as you are a bit of a scrummie fundi then, what are your thoughts on Charl McLeod?

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.01.12 09:21:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 43) :

    :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.01.12 09:21:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 44) :

    He is a link. Or plays like one. Nothing more.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.01.12 09:22:47 by Morné Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 43) :

    :mrgreen:

    Howzit CS, compliments of the season! Haven’t seen you in a while.

    You keeping well up in Northern KZN?

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.01.12 09:23:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 43) :

    Don’t worry, I suspect to good old SA trend to continue of playing guys out of position or as they like to call it, utility players.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.01.12 09:23:47 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) : WIth Fourie being one of the best if not the best scrummie to tread on a rugby field it is a crying shame that he has decided to go into early retirement in Japan.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.01.12 09:25:09 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 46) :

    Thanks..

    I’ve never been his greatest fan, and even though I think he deserved that once-upon-a-time Bok call up (he was in great form that year), he has slid back into some form of comfort zone with the Sharks.

    We need to see him being pushed by both Hoffmann and Reinach this season.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.01.12 09:25:41 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 49) :

    Some might think that, but the mark of a great players is perhaps also knowing when your time has come and gone?

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.01.12 09:26:00 by Morné Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 47) : Been a mad, mad, mad festive season, work wise! can’t wait for end-Feb to go on leave!

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.01.12 09:26:34 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 50) :

    Charl (and again just my opinion) is a good scrummie and one of many in SA, but does not have the complete skills set to become one of the greatest, not in the company we are talking about (Joost, Fourie etc.).

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.01.12 09:27:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 52) :

    Feb leave? That sounds like a nice plan that. Just in time for rugby season.

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.01.12 09:36:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 46) : Again, I agree. This was actually his strength, because it fit in with the game plan, and allowed the primary decision maker, Pat Lambie as much time as possible on the ball. Once Charl deviated from that, his weaknesses in other areas were exposed.

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.01.12 09:41:44 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 51) : Perhaps but he wasn’t that old and I think he still had a few more seasons left in him.

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.01.12 09:44:13 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 50) : The only reason he was called up is because everyone else was injured ;-)

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.01.12 09:45:43 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 56) :

    He was quoted as saying he is physically and mentally exhausted from too much rugby.

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.01.12 09:45:49 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 58) : That is why it is a shame. Too much mediocre rugby robbing us of great players and good rugby. I am interested to see how this years SupeRugby competition plays out with regards to player management and injury.

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  • @lostfish (Comment 59) :

    I think SA teams in general will be quite shitty this year – but there is a case to be made that NZ (RWC hangover) and Oz (Lions tour) might also not be that great…

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.01.12 09:57:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morne: hope hoffmann has an injury-free season after he recovers from this latest unfortunate setback :-( .can’t be good for a player to be unable to play or train for long periods of the season.
    For a scrumhalf the pass is the position.let’s hope all the scrummies in the sharks set-up works on this aspect of their game.
    Would like to see the sharks develop a long-term 9/10 combo (think gregan/larkham).
    Then there were also speculation near the end of last year that kockott might return to the sharks …?

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.01.12 10:08:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Morne:comment53: joost though was another scrummie with a shocking passing game-but he was an opportunistic try scoring machine at 9.and a tigerish defender.played like a 4th loosie.

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.01.12 10:17:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • Do coaches in sa really spend the time with their players to develop the basic skills of the position?a scrummie with a poor pass at professional level should be unheard of.coaches need to step up and develop the player.

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.01.12 10:39:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • Okay onto Timmy since Big Fish was so forceful!

    I think before I get to Tim I must just give my views on centers, or rather, inside and outside backs.

    In the backline I view your inside backs (10 and 12 mainly but sometimes 9) as the creators, and your outside backs (outside center and back three) as the finishers. Logically I think you will see I also deduce that without quality inside backs, the best outside backs in the world are ineffective.

    The skills set of outside backs would include the obvious pace factor and strength through contact (bursts). They would also in the modern game need to possess good upper body strength as they will be involved in rucks quite a lot, acting as the ‘fetchers’ of the backline (specifically outside center and to a lesser extent wings).

    But where it all happens in a backline is at your inside backs (for the backline on attack specifically) if you are looking to be effective.

    I wrote an article on this very site a couple of years ago where I mentioned that I believe the roles of primary playmaker is more evenly distributed between 10 and 12 and not just 10 as in the older days. I would go as far as to say in some cases the balance has even shifted in favour of the 12…

    The skills are pretty obvious for everyone I reckon – must be a good distributor, solid defender on both shoulders and a decent kicking game is a plus for any 12 (this is where Jean falls way short). Since the modern 12 has become more of a playmaker his traditional role of organizing the defence has also diminished somewhat, where your 13 and sometimes even your wings set modern defenses. This, above all is what makes Jaque Fourie one of the best outside centers in world rugby.

    But back to 12 and Tim.

    The reason for this shift from 10 to 12 as playmaker has a lot to do with time available to the player in each position. Modern defenses are immensely quick and every half a second you have with ball in hand often the difference between executing plays effectively or not. The very best inside centers in world rugby are the ones who are very aware of ‘lines’ at all times. Creating them (running lines), managing them (distribution) and cutting them down (opposition lines and time on the ball). In essence, the job of a 12 is to manipulate time – reducing it for opposition on defense, and creating more of it with ball in hand on attack.

    You might have heard people talk about players (12’s) who has the ability to create space (break defensive lines) through their running (again Jean is this type of player from what I have seen over the years). The problem with this type of 12 (and most 12’s in SA are exactly the same) is that you will not be able to run through or over defenses all the time as they are simply too good and too organized – but it is a typical South African trade to create these monster type donkey’s to do this. Just have a look at the amount (total) of ‘line-breaks’ SA inside centers make – then if you have time, compare that to how many times they get tackled or stop behind the advantage line (a stat you never see).

    So again when I see a player who has the ability to ‘manage’ lines (defensive in this explanation) through distribution and running angles I rate them as something rather special – a player who can effectively, ‘pass’ players into space (remember the old cliché of the not being able to beat the ball?). Very few defensive systems can counter this as it is something you cannot train for but something you have to adapt to on game day.

    In the years I have seen Timmy play for UCT and for WP with Sadie on his outside, this is what struck me about him – he manages his lines tremendously well and is one of the very few centers that can ‘pass’ his outside backs into space (which some might say made Sadie what he is today…). I see Sadie’s game suffer at the Bulls personally, and I see Tim becoming (potentially) the modern day 12.

    BTW, if you want a recent example of a player, in South Africa who I reckoned has this ability too but was screwed around at provincial and national level, look no further than Adi Jacobs.

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  • ability to ‘manage’ lines (defensive in this explanation) through distribution and running angles

    Sorry it was meant to read “(attacking or ball in hand in this explanation)”

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.01.12 11:15:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 39) : @Morné (Comment 64) : Nice insight :cool:

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.01.12 11:21:09 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 64) :

    It would be great it Tim is that kind of player. I haven’t seen enough of Tim to really know. You explanation above reminds me a lot of the Dick Muir/Jeremy Thompson combination. Muir was the type of player IMO that created space for the players outside him and when he went on retirement at WP Jeremy Thompson’s gave took a big knock.

    If that a fair comparison?

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.01.12 12:11:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 67) :

    Dick Muir, very much in that mould yes. Another of that generation, Hennie le Roux when he played there.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.01.12 12:13:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 66) :

    Thanks buddy.

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.01.12 12:22:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 68) :

    Thanks Morne…as you know I always value your input. Good to see you this side again.

    Soooooo are you available as technical advisor for the Sharks yet? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.01.12 12:26:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 70) :

    Haha, yes hoping this year will be less hectic than last, I always check in, just did not comment as much in the past.

    And no – there is not enough money in the world to make me go back at this stage of my life to rugby! :twisted:

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.01.12 12:30:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 69) : Also I haven’t seen Letgo around for a while….so you can change your avatar again… :grin:

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.01.12 12:30:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 71) : Let’s hope Plumtree reads Sharksworld then!

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.01.12 12:31:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 72) :

    Haha, my luck she will be back as soon as I do that!

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.01.12 12:32:12 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 73) :

    Let’s not forget all this actually came about because of the fact that I was so pissed WP lost these two players! And the Sharks boys not quite realising what a find they got! Well in my opinion at least!

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.01.12 12:34:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 67) : Dick is one of my fav Sharks players of all times. I believed that he was robbed of a good few Bok caps in his day. Super distributor. No just Thomson, Pieter Muller who was perhaps an even better close quarters shoulder runner benefitted tremendously from his passing game.

    I believe that Sharks fans can only hope that Whitehead can rise to occasion. I’ve liked Whitehead for quite a few seasons now and thought that he deserved to be more than just a 5th choice centre and always hoped that he’d move to the Sharks. However the reality is we’ve aquired a bit of an injury prone player who altho has some skills that can benefit the team, hasn’t had enough of an extended run at the top level to merit or justify getting overexcited. There is a lot of uncertainty about him still and I doubt he will ever be good enough to be mentioned in the category as Dick Muir.

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.01.12 12:39:13 by beet Reply

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  • Sadie is an x-factor player who is destined to become a Springbok this season. Having watched him play outside various centres, I firmly believe that it would be grossly unfair to attribute his overwhelming success to the players who’ve passed the ball to him. He’s made many plays out of nothing using his eye for the gap, his blinding pace and good balance/strength.

    Personally I think Sadie stands a far better chance of adding more value at the Bulls than Whitehead will here in Durbs but I’d love to be wrong on this opinion.

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.01.12 12:43:20 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 77) :

    Sadie’s biggest weakness is isolating himself. he has botched more tries than he has scored.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.01.12 13:00:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : Think again. Lambie at 10 means you know who at 12 . . .

    But overall it sounds positive. Good to hear Deysel will revert back to flank!

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.01.12 13:04:18 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Anycase, never quite caught onto the Sadie hype in the last 2 years at WP – hope to see more of this potential under Pieter.

    I am out for a bit, cheers.

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.01.12 13:07:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 80) : It sounds like you missed the whole of the 2010 WP u21 campaign coz Sadie was a sight for sore eyes in just about every game. :mrgreen: But it’s understandable, not many supporters, even the staunch ones watch junior rugby.

    Sadie is a huge asset to any team that wants a weapon capable of punching a hole and coming out on the other side of a defensive wall. Defences are so good at closing down linebreakers these days but the opportunity to set up a precious quickball situation increases tenfold from these breaks. Once a player breaks this line, it’s a game of option taking and often we see SA players make the wrong choices (Kanko is player that comes to mind here). So I agree with you, Sadie is a poor executor in this regard. He needs to work on his lateral vision and decision-making when in space that’s being quickly closed down. This is something I’ve always appreciated about Adi Jacobs. Once he got through a hole, he always knew that the work was only half done.

    I kind of think comparing Sadie to Whitehead at this point in their respective careers a bit like comparing Benson Stanley to Robbie Fruean. Benson isn’t a flamboyant player but has good hands and is a playmaker, so there are many good things one can say about his game. Likewise there are a few weaknesses one can point out in Fruean’s game but when push comes to shove and a choice has to be made between the 2, very few would recruit Stanley over an explosive beast of a player like Fruean.

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.01.12 13:29:11 by beet Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 64) : Thanks for the explanation. Based on that it would be foolish to swap players between 12 and 13 (ala Juan de Jongh, Adi Jacobs and Doppies le Grange) because they’ve become such specialist positions.

    Question is will young master Tim be used at 12 or 13 (or both) by the Sharks? He should only be employed at 12 in my humble opinion.

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.01.12 13:36:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 81) : Can you please give me your e-mail.

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.01.12 13:56:58 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 79) :

    Problem is that Freddie is leaving half way through the S15.

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.01.12 13:59:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • soooooo, Jacques-Louis Potgieter signed for Bayonne… if i`m not mistaken, i saw him in the training pictures…

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.01.12 14:00:24 by VanWilder Reply

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  • http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Bayonne-sign-Bulls-Potgieter-20120113

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.01.12 14:01:13 by Uli Reply
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  • :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.01.12 14:02:06 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 86) : “Bulls Potgieter?????” according to the article, its JLP.

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.01.12 14:04:19 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 87) : http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/breves2012/20120113_114453_potgieter-vers-bayonne.html

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.01.12 14:09:22 by lostfish Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 88) : It is JLP, the French have reported it’s JLP. Bayonne must have been desperate.

  • Comment 90, posted at 13.01.12 14:10:18 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 90) : jip, he should have never left the cheetahs…

  • Comment 91, posted at 13.01.12 14:11:17 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Also spotted the article – posted it in the Conradie thread. Quoted from the article “and most recently turned out for the Blue Bulls in the Currie Cup.” :shock:

    swan4, if you’re still reading Sharksworld – the sport24 article – that’s what shoddy journalism look like!

  • Comment 92, posted at 13.01.12 14:19:03 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 92) : i mean, common… who wrote the article? anyone who`s allowed to write a sport article to hundreds and thousands of readers should actually know abit of sports………..

  • Comment 93, posted at 13.01.12 14:23:02 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 89) : now in Afrikaans please…. I cant seem to make out the English on that site… .. hehe

  • Comment 94, posted at 13.01.12 14:34:57 by Uli Reply
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  • On a more serious note. I still recon he got a raw deal form the Sharks on the end of the day. He is a much better player than what he showed with the Sharks, and yes if his goal kicking was better at that match at Twickers I am sure things would have been very different, his goal kicking let him down too many times with the Sharks unfortunately

  • Comment 95, posted at 13.01.12 14:42:34 by Uli Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 83) : beetb@telkomsa.net

  • Comment 96, posted at 13.01.12 14:48:59 by beet Reply

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  • 2012-01-13 13:42

    “Bayonne – Struggling Top 14 club Bayonne have signed South African utility back Jacques-Louis Potgieter, who has represented the Bulls, Cheetahs and Sharks in Super Rugby” sorry a bit off the subject this is from News 24

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.01.12 14:56:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • :oops: read before posting!

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.01.12 14:59:57 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 98) : Ciao bella donna :smile:

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.01.12 15:03:28 by Megatron Reply

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  • Ciao bel uomo! Come stai tutto bene? :) So glad you came on, can u recommend a good camping (caravans)site/resort in P.E- was thinking of coming to see our match against the Kings :

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.01.12 15:12:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 100) : ok, will check it out for you shawty :razz:

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.01.12 15:22:43 by Megatron Reply

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  • Thank you kindly!

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.01.12 15:31:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 102) : il placere e tutto mio :razz:

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.01.12 15:53:02 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 103) : bravo! Anzi bravissimo!

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.01.12 16:13:15 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 26) : difficult one. Whitehead is more your traditional centre, he gets a solid 8/10 for his vision, rugby brain, attack, defense and reading of the game. The other centre’s score ranges from a 6/10 to a 10/10. I’ve rated Whitehead for a long time and think him and Mosman must be our centres.

  • Comment 105, posted at 14.01.12 06:35:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 82) : 13 mate. Was moved to 12 because of his solid passing game, his natural position is. 13.

  • Comment 106, posted at 14.01.12 07:05:05 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 56) : but perhaps not of such quality.

  • Comment 107, posted at 14.01.12 08:47:48 by rekinek Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 105) :

    I’d play Tim at 12 exclusively.

  • Comment 108, posted at 14.01.12 09:47:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 108) : Like x 1000 ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 109, posted at 14.01.12 09:51:46 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 108) : What about MB and who then do you play at 13? Team dynamics are also important when selecting a team. Tim sees himself more as a 13 than a 12 although he can play both equally well. We also need to remember that 12 can be taxing as there is a lot of traffic in that channel and with 3 small guys at 9 (Charl), 10 (Lambie) and 12 (Tim), opposition teams might get excited and attack that channel all day, unless we revert to our 2010 CC game plan and just keep the ball. For some reason the MB and TW combo excites me.

  • Comment 110, posted at 14.01.12 16:21:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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