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Erasmus linked to Bok role


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 16 Jan 2012 at 08:17
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Weekend newspaper speculation has linked Rassie Erasmus to a permanent technical advisor role with the Springboks, suggesting that the former WP director of rugby will be roped in as a key assistant to the new Bok coach when he is named on 27 January.

Furthermore, Stormers defence guru Jacques Nienaber and national Sevens coach Paul Treu were, according to the story, due to play a role in the national setup as well. Erasmus, it is claimed, is on his way to France in a bid to sell some technology that he has developed to clubs over there, rather than to seek a coaching position with any French side. He has, though, poured cold water on all of these allegations, dismissing the entire story as pure speculation.

It is further believed that SARU are split down the middle, with the executive unable to separate Heyneke Meyer and Gert Smal as candidates for the Bok coaching job. With the announcement only 11 days away, any thoughts that assistants and advisers to the new coach could already have been appointed seem quite laughable, as I’m sure all of the national body’s efforts are now focused on deciding on a chosen candidate to take up the so-called “poisoned chalice”.

As always when it comes to Rassie Erasmus, trying to get to the bottom of what’s really going on is a tricky matter indeed!



48 Comments

  • I have a feeling Heyneke Meyer will be the bok coach apparently he had a meeting with the bulls last week.

    That means Heyneke is leaving the bulls :sad:

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.01.12 08:30:56 by Muzi Reply
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  • Had a feeling…

    @Muzi (Comment 1) : Ill stop watching springbok rugby if thats the case. Super pat pack your bags boet ! Please please please no…

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.01.12 08:36:27 by Talent Reply
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  • If I’m not mistaken, announcements will be made on the 27th of January, furthermore it might happen that new Bok coaches will only get 2 year contracts with strict performance clauses.

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.01.12 08:36:46 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 1) : Seems we were not to far off the other day!

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.01.12 08:37:52 by mbay-shark Reply

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  • Heyneke is in my opinion the logical choice for the job.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.01.12 08:39:06 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @mbay-shark (Comment 4) : you were spot on mate SARU want meyer ;-)

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.01.12 08:42:46 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 2) : Hey mate if you read the SA rugby magazine last year Meyer spoke about introducing a new game plan for the bulls.

    Meyer knows 10 man rugby will not work these days.Spreading the ball is the way to go.

    Meyer will not let the country down. ;-)
    He will select players on merit and bring a winning culture to the side.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.01.12 08:47:47 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 1) : That makes me want to cry as well, but for an entirely diffferent reason. :cry:

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.01.12 08:47:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 1) : no, you’re jumping to conclusions. Heyneke did chat to the Bulls, simply because he knows he’s in the running and wanted to understand how they would react should he be chosen. I believe he’s been given their blessing to take up the post if it is offered.

    That doesn’t mean the SARU committee has offered him the job.

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.01.12 08:52:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • If I had to put money on it, it would be on Gert Smal.

    The Bulls, after the Currie Cup, would be very hesitant to let him go…

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.01.12 08:53:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 7) : mhmmm lets wait and see

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.01.12 08:53:18 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : ok….sweet ek verstaan. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.01.12 08:55:17 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : Very true sir

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.01.12 08:57:05 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 11) : we did not buy sadie to chase up and unders for 80 minutes.

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.01.12 08:58:30 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 14) : Nope, thats what Basson and JJ are for :wink:

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.01.12 09:00:49 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 15) : haha funny guy hey

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.01.12 09:02:00 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 16) : I try :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.01.12 09:13:12 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I do share the concerns of non-Bulls fans if Meyer were to take over the Bok coach reigns and yet I still feel he’s the best man for the job. Let’s just hope that if he’s the chosen one there won’t be as much player-bias as we fear.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.01.12 09:42:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • If Meyer becomes Springbok coach…

    He will select a Bulls squad on merit.

    Even Brussow will have reason to be worried because. Steggies will be given every opportunity imaginable.

    Spies Bok captain.

    Please let it be Gert :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.01.12 10:23:59 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : I feel the same as you mate

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.01.12 10:28:57 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • “Erasmus linked to Bok role”??? I’d much rather prefer the headline “Erasmus linked to Bokdrol”

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.01.12 10:36:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 19) : Steggies in the 2nd best fetcher in the country!

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.01.12 10:53:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) :

    :lol:

    If that were true, it would only point out the huge gap between Brussow and the next best.

    Steggies blerry hopeless.

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.01.12 11:01:05 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : Are you gonna tell us Pookey Watson is the best? :)

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.01.12 11:03:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : Bwahahahahaha!

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.01.12 11:08:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : luke is an 8th man.

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.01.12 11:11:45 by Megatron Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : hehehehehe.

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.01.12 11:24:06 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : In a world where slowing down or stealing the ball is the exact same thing as being penalised I would have to agree 100%

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.01.12 11:29:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) :

    way to stir :grin:

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.01.12 11:36:48 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 19) : agreed [email protected]Megatron (Comment 22) : ha ha ha ! good one !! -if you`re serious ill never respect your rugby opinion again -not that i really take to heart your anti shark pro ec agenda anyways.

    CANT WE JUST HAVE JAKE OR MALLET ??

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.01.12 11:49:13 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 30) : jake? nee fok. he must stay as far away from the boks as possible. he’s got his hands full with the putrid brumbies :razz:

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.01.12 11:59:50 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 31) : i wouldnt mind pdv aslong as his assistants were good

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.01.12 12:01:14 by Talent Reply
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  • I think Heyneke Meyer is the coach for me. He has a proven trackrecord and his Bulls record is impressive. For those cynics who think the Boks will be one dimensional, i dont think so. Heyneke is realistic enough to know the flaws of South African rugby, heck any armchair critic can see it, and he will get the correct people in to remedy this. For instance in 2007 he got Todd Louden to work with the backs and that clinched the Bulls maiden title.
    I hope Erasmus is involved in some way, maybe Heyneke as coach with Rassie working as Technical Director. I think Rassie should be moulded as the “coach in waiting.” However, i dont think it is the right time for him at this moment.

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.01.12 12:05:43 by Pat Reply

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  • @Pat (Comment 33) : in 2007 were the Bulls the team with the best try-scoring record? as far as i can remember derick hougaard wasn’t running anything, instead the Bulls won mostly with penalties & drop goals.

    what is it exactly that Louden supposedly introduced/improved, backline fluidity?

    i’m eager to know.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.01.12 12:35:06 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Pat (Comment 33) : you really think so??
    One just has to look what happend to him at leinster ,when the chips are down(i know he had familly issues)… but his team wasnt as good as the bulls he had coached. Im a closet bulls fan and i dont want him as coach ,no ways . We will be stuck with a kicking 10 .

    You know how painfull it is to watch morne steyn try quade cooper tricks ,its almost retarded -I would like to liken that to HM when he says he can impliment a running game ,at best it will be a cheap imitation ,version 0.1 of what the ausies are currently dishing out. Think ’95 level of rugby vs 2012. He doesnt know it and he will undoubtedly return to blou bull no brain rugby.

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.01.12 12:55:49 by Talent Reply
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  • + the green and gold will start looking less green and more blue, as I suspect he will choose his people.

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.01.12 12:58:47 by Talent Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 34) :

    They were the best attacking franchise in SA, however, playing behind a forward pack with that much power certainly helped. Louden instilled more of an attacking dimension to the Bulls, Hougaard played a heck of a lot flatter and the Bulls created a lot more chances as a result. They were not the best attack in the competition at all, but the principle is that Meyer realized that he needed an attacking skills coach and sought it. The same applies for the Boks, he will analyse their strengths and weaknesses and then bring in people that are necessary.

    @Talent (Comment 35) :
    Firstly it was Leicester, he actually did really well with them before he left. Certainly a lot better than Loffreda. Many South Africans have left England due to family reasons – Wickus Van Heerden, Brendan Venter etc so i dont think you can judge him on that.

    It will still be impportant to have a kicking 10, that will never change. Dont forget either that the rugby world cup will be in England and therefore a kicking game is going to be very necessary plus a strong forward pack. The problem is if you play a fast and loose attacking game you will get creamed, there needs to be a balance of strong defense, attack and a good kicking game. The Bulls had the best kicking 9 and 10, best lineout in world rugby and the fastest 11. It would have been very stupid to therefore play a wide brand of rugby with big forwards who would inevitably get tired. The kick chase approach worked very well under Meyer because they had the players necessary to employ it. He looked at the players he had and orchestrated a game plan accordingly. There is no point in playing a game plan that doesnt suit your players.

    His recruitment for the season ahead, shows that he will play more of an attacking game. Recruiting Lionel Cronje, Sadie and having Hougaard as 9 means the Bulls will have to adopt a more attacking game. If Meyer cannot implement that kind of game, he will get the right coaches that can.

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.01.12 13:19:08 by Pat Reply

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  • Rob just for your information, Keegan has been made captain for the S15.
    Bismark is his deputy.

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.01.12 13:23:21 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 38) : John, Just for your information, there is an article on it up. :wink:

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.01.12 13:29:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) : :grin:
    Thanks KSA.
    Article wasnt up when I posted.
    Was just looking at the Sharks website and noticed the announcement.

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.01.12 13:38:09 by John Galt Reply

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  • If Gert Smal is made Bok coach then you can bet your bottom dollar that Elton Jantjies will be the next Bok flyhalf. Which means Lambie’s hopes of getting back into the No 10 shirt will be hit hard.

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.01.12 16:44:35 by starcrossedlover Reply

     
  • @starcrossedlover (Comment 41) : what do you base that assertion on?

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.01.12 16:56:20 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 42) : Smal’s record regarding transformation. SARU is committed to furthering its transformation at both grassroots level and selection of national squads. It’s widely accepted that Jantjies is being groomed as SA’s first flyhalf of colour, and with Smal’s history at WP (ie: Paulse, Davids, Conradie etc) it seems logical to me that as soon as everyone decides that Morne Steyn is ready for pasture, Jantjies will be next in line, provided he proves his case in this year’s SupeRugby campaign, even though I firmly believe Lambie to be a much better proposition at FH.

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.01.12 17:14:37 by starcrossedlover Reply

     
  • @starcrossedlover (Comment 43) : You are as we would say in Afrikaans “hap nou bubbles”!!!

    Paulse, Davids (for a short period) and Conradie were the best in their positions when they were picked.

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.01.12 19:54:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @starcrossedlover (Comment 43) : What about that flyhalf from the 80s, old Errol Tobias. :mrgreen:

    Also don’t forget about the teenage sensation from Vrystaat – Johan Goosen. He oozes potential.

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.01.12 20:58:42 by beet Reply
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  • @stacrossedlover (comment 43): i’m sorry chap, there is NO ‘logic’ in what you’re sayying whatsoever! Your is nothing but useless conjencture based on nothing but your own parochial perceptions.

    Wasn’t the last time WP won the currie cup with Smal? He had paulse
    & slaptjips rossouw as his wings and most if not all the players of colour who were in the team DESERVED to be there, so your assertion that jantjies will be preferred before lambie based only on the hue of his skin is rubbish.

    Try again and use logic this time.

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.01.12 21:58:55 by Megatron Reply

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  • Don’t worry starcrossedlover – we’re not all this grumpy. Negatron comes with his own set of issues :mrgreen:

    I doubt Jantjies will pip Lambie in the Bok pecking order. Lambie (unfortunately some would say) also comes with the benefit of being a utility back. Add that to his WC experience and it seems even like likely to happen (unless Pat has a huge drop in form). I don’t for a second though think that Jantjies won’t be in the Bok selector’s mind based on his performances in last year’s CC. Let’s hope he keeps it up and we’ll be spoilt for choice at Bok flyhalf which is a wonderful problem to have.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.01.12 22:39:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @starcrossedlover (Comment 43) : hey – welcome to the site.

    Listen, I know you’re new here, but I need to ask you to please be aware of the site rules. We don’t discuss skin colour here, at all, under any circumstances. Please steer clear :)

    Thanks- I’m sure we’ll all get on fine

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.01.12 23:12:02 by robdylan Reply
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