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Southern Kings to play Super Rugby in 2013


Written by Clayton Saville (Clayton(PJLD))

Posted in :EP Kings, Original Content, Super Rugby on 27 Jan 2012 at 14:41
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The Southern Kings will participate in next years Super Rugby competition.The Southern Kings will participate in next years Super Rugby competition, SARU CEO Jurie Roux today told the media gathered for the Springbok coaching announcement.

A vote was taken at a SARU Special Council meeting and the decision was unanimous, as to how the Kings would fit they are not certain but Roux stated they would meet with all the local unions as well as with the SANZAR partners to discuss the way forward with either a promotion relegation system in place or with SANZAR expanding the competition.

The latter being possible the only option as unions would have to vote for the promotion relegation system and I don’t see that happening.

The next discussion will take place at a SARU  Special General meeting on March 30th



61 Comments

  • So there won`t be any promotion / relegation matches, the SA franchise with the wooden spoon in this years` super 15 give up their spot.

    The Heat is On ! :twisted:

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.01.12 14:48:31 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • it just became a LOt more important to not suck in Super Rugby 2012.

    The funny thing is that whatever they decide will only be announced after the competition has already started… so in effect, the teams are going into this blind, not knowing what the cireteria are by which they will be judged at the end of the season.

    Player rotation just saw it’s MOER, in other words. Expect the Lions and Cheetahs to pick B sides against the foreigners, because all that matters now is winning the local derbies.

    SARU – jou MOER!

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.01.12 14:49:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Let’s hope SANZAR will agree to an expansion of the local conference then!

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.01.12 14:51:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Boo

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.01.12 14:59:27 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • The logical, and right thing to do would be to amalgamate the Kings and the Stormers – Cheeky can be the boss, Luke can be captain.

    Pumas / Leopards should have more chance of playing Super rugby in 2013 than the Eastern Southern Kings. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.01.12 14:59:50 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 5) : Hell the Pumas play a better brand of rugby than most of the other teams, get that bodybuilder coach of theirs a better gig.

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.01.12 15:07:44 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Why should they be automatically be included and the others chosen on a criteria?? WTF are They??? Surely SA’s best teams shoulld get the go ahead and then other teams chosen on merit??

    This is BULLSHIT!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.01.12 15:10:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : :lol:

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.01.12 15:11:32 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I reckon should be a combination of the Kings & Sharks. Play half the games in Durban, half in PE.

    Can be called the ‘Sharkings’.

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.01.12 15:14:26 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 9) : I also want what youve been smoking :lol:

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.01.12 15:17:21 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 9) : nah,that’s been tried before – let’s do something new..I like Salomonoid’s idea ;-)

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.01.12 15:17:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 9) : see Robs last sentence in comment 2, now repplace SARU with your name… :lol:

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.01.12 15:17:50 by Ice Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 6) : Damn right, I wish the Sharks would take a serious look at him.
    He has always improved any team he has coached (not always easy at this level) and his Ermelo High School teams could lift their legs with all the big boys of schools rugby.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.01.12 15:18:06 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • An expanded sr comp,and that could then be the end of the cc as we now it?

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.01.12 15:20:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    i dont think this will happen . if the lions give up all the over seas teams we wont end above all the other franchises . i recon we just have to beat everybody anyways

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.01.12 15:23:25 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 14) :

    The Queens cant play in CC so they dont care about it . Heck knows how they can expect to play in SR .. they might be worse then then rebels … and thats bad …

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.01.12 15:24:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 13) : Glad to know im not alone in rating him

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.01.12 15:25:58 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 14) :
    Maybe an expanded competition could actually be the saviour of the CC.
    If it gets any bigger they wont have a choice but to divide it into 2 streams / divisions, which would mean less games per team than at present.
    It would be madness to expand it any more in its current format.

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.01.12 15:26:25 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 9) :

    Hendrik should have to serve at least a 2-day suspension just for making that recommendation – half our home games in PE :x :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.01.12 15:41:00 by beet Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 17) : Stonehouse?

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.01.12 15:41:41 by Ice Reply
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  • Promotion-relegation may not be such a bad thing.

    However the team seeking promotion should prove they are worthy of a place in SR. Kings ain’t I’m afraid. A team like Griquas would have a far better case, they’ve sustained competitiveness in the CC without SARU’s help.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.01.12 15:44:34 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 19) :

    Haha just being silly :mrgreen:

    I think for this to work they’ll have to either sacrifice the Lions, which would be a bad move (and SARU probably know a lot more about the financial situation then we do)… or find some way of getting all 6 teams involved.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.01.12 15:53:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 20) : Yebo

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.01.12 15:58:38 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • SANZAR should consider a ‘Barbarian’ conference in addition to the three established conferences. It could include a Pacific island team, an Argentinean team, the Kings and perhaps even a North American team comprised of USA/Canada rugby players. Would complicate scheduling quite a bit but could make for some interesting watching and would draw all sorts of new audiences.

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.01.12 16:28:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • :lol: :mrgreen: i don’t know why you lot are so worked up, this is how SARU strings the Eastern Cape along, how come if they can vote unanimously on the fact that the Kings should participate they can’t decide there and then how it will go down?

    the Spears were ALSO promised that they were definitely going to play super rugby and what followed was Regan Hoskins using R10 million rand of SARU money in legal fees to get rid of the Spears.

    this is what they did with the Currie Cup too, they decided 6 teams will make up Premier Div and only after the competition was done did they tell us, there will be no promotion/relegation games, so Boland’s win of the 1st Div is WORTHLESS :D

    remember this post, the Kings won’t be playing Super rugby next year!

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.01.12 16:39:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Winning the local derbies will be of no use if you lose all your o/seas games, the log positions are determined by wins and loses against ANY opposition.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.01.12 16:44:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 23) : bumped into him at a small sushi bar in Ballito – short but fris! He has loads of heart!

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.01.12 16:47:14 by Ice Reply
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  • This is going to be an interesting season indeed. BUT the end of NEXT season is going to be even more important.

    let me set the scene.

    at the end of the 2012season The Cheetahs (I doubt it WILL be them) end bottom and the Kings replace them.

    2013: The Cheetahs struggle even more to retain players but absolutely cream everybody else in the Vodacom Cup. :)

    at the end of the 2013 season the Kindgs are STILL bottom but can’t be dropped so the second bottom team (let’s say Sharks) are dropped so now we have the Kings and a team that has missed a year of SR representing SA in the SR tournament. Can anyone say “whipping boys”?

    And so the cycle will continue with some team coming in and another dropping out every season leaving us with 2 weak teams every year.

    Add to that the inevitable exodus and influx of players to and from the teams going into and leaving the comp and we end up with the top (say 2) teams being the only really settled teams in SA.

    WHIPPING BOYS!!!!!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.01.12 16:50:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 25) : Like one of those permanent signs ina bar “Free beer TOMORROW” :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.01.12 16:51:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • SARU’s official statement

    The Southern Kings’ place in the Vodacom Super Rugby competition in 2013 was reaffirmed at a Special Council Meeting of the South African Rugby Union (SARU) in Cape Town on Friday. Proposals on mechanisms to identity the four other South African entrants will be considered at a SARU Special General Meeting on March 30.

    “The decision to include the Southern Kings in the 2013 Vodacom Super Rugby tournament was unanimously confirmed by the members,” said Jurie Roux, CEO of SARU on Friday.

    “We will now look at the options to identify the other entrants to the competition, which will include further discussions with our SANZAR partners on the possibility of including a sixth South African team in the competition.

    “The Unions will also be making their own recommendations and the outcome of those discussions and other proposals will be tabled for the Executive Council and ultimately a General Meeting to consider.”

    That last sentence is an indication of the bunfight we are about to have at SARU.

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.01.12 16:54:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) : Time for the unions to headhunt politically correct struggle veterans for urgently created board positions.

    This is a modern day SArugby comment…just in case anyone was wondering.

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.01.12 17:07:56 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 31) : :smile:

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.01.12 17:36:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • in SA rugby nobody changes anything unless they are pushed.

    The E Cape could perhaps have been included in a more structured way had there been more committment to changing the status quo, but that was lacking.

    If the last-placed SA gets dropped for them, then what’s the big deal?

    How do we talk of them getting given a free lunch while the big unions already have guaranteed spots in Super Rugby?

    I wish the Kings all the best: let’s hope SARU doesn’t screw you again.

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.01.12 18:05:25 by Big Fish Reply
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  • This sucks!!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.01.12 19:40:12 by Mutley Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 7) :

    We are not allowed to discuss politics here right?

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.01.12 20:09:41 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 6) : I was saying during the Bok Coach Saga of 2011 ( :lol: ) that I wouldn’t be too upset if his name was thrown in the ring. He had the Pumas playing some great rugby and they made a lot of teams (the Sharks and Lions immediately spring to mind) sweat and really work for their wins.

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.01.12 21:28:23 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 27) : Don’t know if you saw my comment on ‘Palace rebellion in the land of the Kings’, but just wanted to thank you for your comments on my article. Really appreciate it :smile:

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.01.12 21:29:58 by StevieS Reply
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  • If the other SANZAR officials refuse an expanded tournament, SARU might end up going with the merger option to make space for the Kings. Geographically the best bet would be to merge the Lions and the Bulls due to their close proximity, but practically speaking neither would allow it. I don’t see how SARU is going to work around this one.

    What upsets me more is that a team that struggles in the Currie Cup gets a leg up ahead of teams like the Griquas that have actually impressed in that competition.

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.01.12 01:12:06 by Leviathan Reply

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  • leviathan…the Griquas players have BEEN guaranteed Super rugby for years now with their association with the cheetahs, wake up!

    Where do u think sarel pretorius, riaan viljoen, davon raubenheimer, barry geel, naas olivier & before the bjorn basson come from?

    Why do u think the likes of marnitz boshoff who got discarded by the bulls choose to go to the Griquas, because Kimberley is such a vibrant city?

    No bud, if they play well they have a SHOT at super rugby with naka!

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.01.12 05:55:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 39) :
    It’s not the same. Why should the Kings get their own place while Griquas players have to play for another team when on their own they are a formidable currie cup side.

    Besides which, the Griquas would at least offer something of a challenge in the Super 15, I’m not seeing the Kings being anything other than wooden spooners for years to come.

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.01.12 10:45:09 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @Leviathan (Comment 38) : northerns came into being(1938) by splitting from transvaal ,so I don’t think either of those two would like to join forces again.the jukskei rivalry is too big.

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.01.12 10:58:19 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 39) : ep have played sr though..weren’t all that successful.

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.01.12 11:08:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 41) :
    that is the problem isn’t it?

    Its even worse now that the Lions are on the rise and want to make a name for themselves. I admit I dont know much about the rugby history in that region, but Lions Bulls games always seem intense.

    BTW when are my beloved Stormers going to get their congratulations for winning last night and against the CC champions and all. Come on people, can I get some applause?

    you guys suck :(

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.01.12 11:10:33 by Leviathan Reply

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  • if the 5riquas thought they could build & market a franchise in KIMBERLEY i’m sure they would’ve pursued that venture eons ago! You all can’t bitch because the south-eastern cape – from Kokstad to George – want a franchise and we believe we can support it and make it work!

    No union in SA Rugby has a devine right to play super rugby, NONE!
    The sooner some of you realise that the better for all of you! :D

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.01.12 11:39:39 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 44) : No union other than the Kings that is. :)

    What’s the bet they would turn down a promotion relegation offer. :razz:

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.01.12 11:43:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 44) : well maybe if they allow fracking in the karoo then suddenly there might be an economic boom in both the northern and eastern cape _ would help the rugby unions.

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.01.12 11:54:17 by bergshark Reply

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  • But there is also the issue of the environment and just how safe fracking is.

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.01.12 11:56:52 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 47) :
    “fracking”?
    Isn’t that what they call f!cking on Battlestar Galactica?
    Can we stick to the rugby please?

    PS. yes I know what fracking is, so please don’t bother pointing that out.

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.01.12 12:43:58 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @Leviathan (Comment 48) : bloggers sometimes talk about cricket,music,nfl,whiskey on here at sw :-D
    But it wasn’t my intention to go into that.

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.01.12 13:40:55 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Leviathan (Comment 48) : though I’m not impressed
    with your sarcastic “definition” of it :-|

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.01.12 13:44:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 39) : let’s go for an expanded sr series (dunno how but maybe sanzae can come up with something somehow that appeases all three countries _and argentina_ without signalling the end of the cc ),that includes all 6 of the former test unions ( fs,bulls,lions,weepee,sharks and ep ).

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.01.12 14:12:29 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 50) :

    If you havn’t seen the show you probably wont get it.

    And I can’t agree with an expanded series. Super Rugby is supposed to be for the best of the best. It’s already been watered down with sides like the Rebels. I can’t for the life of me figure out why SARU would want to throw the Kings to the wolves like this.

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.01.12 14:26:45 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @Leviathan (Comment 52) : megatron’s has always argued that the talent is there- problem is the talent keeps on leaving.I can ubderstand that he feels a shot at sr in the ec region would be something that could sway the sbr players to rather stay down in ep .
    And they are playing in the varsity cup (nmmu) down in ep.
    Now this won’t happen overnight,that’s why an promotion/relegation solution would most probably just see them in and then gone,then back in again.nothing really gained from that if it pans out to be the case.
    Give them a spot and let’s see what happens..not overnight though,that would be unrealistic,unless they get a huge sponsorship that allows them to put some big money on the table when negotiating with current boks etc.

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.01.12 14:43:09 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 53) :
    I get your point, and I agree that alot of talent comes from EP and should stay there as opposed to moving to other unions.

    I just think that SARU is moving too quickly with this. I mean, they’ve already agreed on the Kings’ place without even determining how they’re going to fit them in first.

    And shouldn’t the Kings at least have to prove themselves in the CC premier division first? It just feels like they’re being gifted an awful lot.

    As for relegation, it could work, but it would have to be an actual promotion match to make it fair, not just an automatic process.

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.01.12 14:53:51 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 37) : I did! Its a pleasure – I always enjoy a bit of warped humour in an article! :grin: Keep it up!

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.01.12 15:07:07 by Ice Reply
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  • Not sure how a team that can’t even get out of their division gets into super rugby!
    On the brighter side, great to see Frans Steyn back on the park. Kicking still a bit rusty, but outstanding otherwise.:)

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.01.12 18:34:26 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 44) : except of course the kings …:(
    Isn’t Kokstad part of Natal?

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.01.12 18:40:50 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 56) : yes,had one strong run in the first half(bit of a 50/50 off-load),a well-judged grubber that had toulouse scampering, and seemed keen to get stuck in.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.01.12 19:58:31 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 57) : kokstad is indeed part of Natal, they changed Matatiele to the eastern cape

  • Comment 59, posted at 29.01.12 00:07:16 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • So the Kings will be made up of EP, Border and SWD? None of whom play in the Currie Cup, so i suspect you’ll see a host of players from whoever gets relegated sign on “loan” with the Kings for S15 2013… Or maybe they’ll get out the cheque book and rope in the best players they can afford, guys like that Samoan guy who butchered the Sharks semi-final a few years ago, or Jaco van der Westhuisen… On the plus side it will give guys who’ve not been offered contracts a chance to make a comeback, Andre Pretorius for example, can move down from the Leopards and maybe Adi Jacobs might sign on for a season or two… I suppose it doesn’t really matter because, in all likelihood, they will finish stone last with maybe one bonus point earned against top opposition like the Melbourne Rebels or the Western Farce…

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.01.12 08:24:47 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 57) : @RuckingFun (Comment 59) :
    Megatron not only wants to annexe a spot in Superugby but now wants to start carving up KZN. Matatielle is now in the Easrtern Cape but the residents want to be reincorporated in KZN.

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.01.12 09:16:54 by Salmonoid Reply

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