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Influx of overseas Springboks?


Written by Chris Smith (ChrisS)

Posted in :Original Content, Reader Submissions, Springboks on 31 Jan 2012 at 10:52
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Heyneke Meyer has gone on record recently as stating that he’ll be travelling overseas to chat to potential Springbok players. The likely suspects are:

Ruan Pienaar (scrumhalf)
Johann Muller (lock)
BJ Botha (tighthead prop)
Frans Steyn (inside centre)
Joe Van Niekerk (eighthman)
Jacques Fourie (outside centre)
Gurthro Steenkamp (loosehead prop)
Fourie Du Preez (scrumhalf)
Bakkies Botha (lock)
Danie Rossouw (lock / blindside flank)
Gerhard Mostert (lock)
Shaun Sowerby (eighthman)
Brian Mujati (tighthead prop)
Jacques Cronje (eighthman)
Heinke van der Merwe (loosehead prop)
Wian du Preez (loosehead prop)
Sarel Pretorius (scrumhalf)

Some of the overseas-based players won’t make the Boks but it would be foolish to overlook them and diminish our talent pool. Looking at the list of players above we can increase our eighthman, prop, scrumhalf and lock options considerably. Local is lekker but let’s select the best players regardless of where they play!!

There’s been a lot of speculation recently about who the next Bok captain will be with Schalk Burger, Jean De Villiers, Juan Smith and Pierre Spies being the most popular choices and a few journalists throwing Bismarck du Plessis’ name in as a wildcard.

Thinking outside the box for a minute there are other options available to Heyneke Meyer:

Johann Muller is doing a fantastic job as captain of Ulster and has captained the Boks on occasion so it wouldn’t be anything new for him. At 32 he also has a fair few years of top flight rugby left in him. The concern is whether or not he could nail down a spot in the starting XV as Heyneke Meyer has stated that his team is chosen first and then the captain.

The next possible candidate is “Big Joe” Van Niekerk! Anybody who’s been watching Toulon lately will be able to testify to his captaincy skills and the fact that he’s added a harder edge to his game. Long seen as a show pony afraid to do the hard work and happier amongst the backs, he has changed his style of play and now has the mongrel and hard edge to lead the Bok pack from the front! Given the lack of a dominant 8th man in the Bok fold for the last (when did Spies make his debut) couple of years, Joe Van Niekerk could actually earn a spot in the starting line-up. Age is also on his side as he is only 32 this year!

The last possible overseas candidate is Fourie du Preez, long regarded as the world’s number one scrummy! He’s led the Bulls on occasion, is still young enough to play for the Boks for many years to come and has been part of the Springbok leadership group for many years. The question marks surrounding him are his desire to play at the highest level again and whether or not he can regain his form following a disappointing 2011.

It’s going to be interesting to see who Heyneke Mayer will choose from the overseas-based players as well as who his captain will be but at least the cupboard isn’t as bare as it looked at first glance!



87 Comments

  • “…Age is also on his side as he is only 32 this year!” – in my book, thats near retirement OR WP recruitment age… :twisted:

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.01.12 11:00:02 by VanWilder Reply
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  • Mostof these players are old and had their chance. There are young willing players here in SA

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.01.12 11:01:25 by Mutley Reply
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  • Fourie du Preez, great player though he may have been, is nowhere near captaincy material, so says Culling Song. Debate over. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.01.12 11:02:56 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Overseas based players, yes, but picking the captain from them, I wouldn’t. Your captain needs to have a relationship with his team, that will be hard if at most two out of 30 are in the same provincial league as you, not even the same team

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.01.12 11:03:11 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Actually my article Richard but no biggy, haha!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.01.12 11:03:56 by ChrisS Reply
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  • NO NO NO!

    Time for a clean slate, methinks… let’s not go and drag up every has-been we can think of when there are eager young players in South Africa.

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.01.12 11:05:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 1) : Depends on who the player is Van. Martin Johnson was a great captain and player in his 30s.

    @Mutley (Comment 2) : Most but not all of the players. BJ Botha still has lots to offer as well as Ruan and Frans Steyn. Mostert is also the enforcer we need for the Boks!

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.01.12 11:06:00 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 1) :

    another few years then he is old enough to be recruited by the Sharks as well ..

    on a more serias note … most of those players should not come near the green and gold . Fransie should … maybe Ruan Pienaar …

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.01.12 11:07:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Not all of the players are has-beens! Considering the lack of leadership in the country I think that we may need to look outside the country!

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.01.12 11:07:08 by ChrisS Reply
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  • I’m only interested in Frans Steyn, phenomenal player. Possibly also Sarel Pretorius, but must play in SA. The other guys and remain Japanese, French, Irish etc. The talent pool in SA is awesome, and will only be interested in the two above mentioned. I will boycott SA rugby if the fossils return… Dinosaurs are extinct – lets not go all Jurassic Park please…

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.01.12 11:09:30 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • The captain doesn’t have to be appointed for 4 years. I favour choosing the team and then the captain!

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.01.12 11:13:34 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 5) :

    Shit, sorry dude..

    Let me update it..

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.01.12 11:15:23 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : it’s been done… I take it the two are related anyway, so no biggy.

    Chris, can you upload a pic for us please?

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.01.12 11:18:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • ChrisS you seem to have fallen into the trap of “in the land of the blind one eye is king” when comparing the o/seas players’ abilities.

    Not half those players would be 1st choice and in some cases 2nd choice Boks. :(

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.01.12 11:19:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) : that said, I think it’s AWESOME that Chris has contributed such a great article to the site.

    Lovely way to start!

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.01.12 11:23:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) : I agree that most of the players aren’t likely to make the cut. I was just pointing out that we do have options.

    The most likely options are Frans Steyn, Jacque Fourie, Ruan Pienaar, Sarel Pretorius and Gerhard Mostert. I think BJ Botha would also give us depth at tighthead.

    The rugby season’s even longer now so there are bound to be injuries and more player rotation even at national level.

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.01.12 11:25:44 by ChrisS Reply
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  • I’d definitely be keeping Ruan Pienaar & Frans Steyn on. Bit peeved that neither of them look like coming back to SA, but both irreplaceable at the moment.

    No players from Japan should be selected. Counts out Jaque Fourie, Fourie du Preez & Danie Rossouw. Just creating another market for players by allowing it. Soon we’ll have twice as many players playing overseas if that happens.

    The rest I’d keep an eye on Gurthro Steenkamp & Heinke van der Merwe – though we have plenty of capable looseheads in SA meaning their selections should be ‘unlikely’

    Gerhard Mostert is a no go – left SA too early, capable players in SA.

    And the rest no thanks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.01.12 11:26:47 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Yes, we’re twins.

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.01.12 11:27:25 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 10) : I would say playing SR is acceptable to Judge a player on being included and (many won’t agree with this) then any player who was dropped from the Boks and suddenly “gained form, playing much better now, has become harder (insert you own sudden improvement adjective here) up North should probably be overlooked.

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.01.12 11:27:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 18) : awesome!

    BTW, Transformer pictures always score extra points :)

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.01.12 11:28:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : :lol:

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.01.12 11:29:32 by StevieS Reply
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  • Supersub Schalk Brits perhaps? Helluva player when given a chance.

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.01.12 11:29:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 17) : I agree about Pienaar and Steyn! We need both of them. I’d rather have Pienaar at 9 than Hougaard (his best position is wing) and Steyn at 12 ahead of JdV!

    @robdylan (Comment 20) : Thanks :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.01.12 11:30:22 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Best start we can ask for. IMO opinion articles are excellent.

    ChrisS please be aware that opinion articles draw alot of comments usually and don’t feel in anyway disheartened if not everyone agrees with you. :) That is what blogging is about.

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.01.12 11:30:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 22) : A good player that I overlooked, my bad! Brits would definitely be a great supersub!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.01.12 11:31:51 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : Thanks man! I was just thinking how bare the captaincy cupboard is looking and was wondering about possibles from overseas. At least people are chatting about it, that’s the point of the article…to get discussion going :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.01.12 11:33:35 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : absolutely agreed… Rugby is a money game, so to go overseas you forfeit a national honour… Klaar. The rugby is not at the same level there, this is a fact. Great names in that list, but they made the decision to go. As for Fourie, Danie, J.Fourie and the other thirty somethings – that era is over… People become bored and I’m bored of these guys.

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.01.12 11:34:25 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 27) :even though I’m a thirty something…

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.01.12 11:35:12 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 17) : Agree with most eccept Mostert. We Don’t have enough capable locks IMO.

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.01.12 11:35:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Sowerby, Van Niekerk and Cronje were mentioned just to show people that there are options beyond Spies. I prefer a more “in your face” player at 8. Of the 3, Cronje’s the only real option as he’s not yet 30. Don’t get me wrong though, the other 2 could fill in for a year or 2 if needed.

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.01.12 11:35:50 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 21) : he looks nothing like you, though… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.01.12 11:36:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : “ChrisS please be aware that opinion articles draw alot of comments usually and don’t feel in anyway disheartened if not everyone agrees with you.”

    Except when I’m the author. Then everyone nods in humble agreement, apparently :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.01.12 11:36:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 27) : I like a mix of experience and youth. 30 something is ok for the forwards and have younger backs.

    The list of players isn’t to go to 2015, it’s just a list of options.

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.01.12 11:37:54 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 22) : CLASSIC example of “not good enough in SA but suddenly good enough when playing in an inferior comp”

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.01.12 11:38:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : I bow before the master!! :grin:

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.01.12 11:38:37 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) :

    Word on the street is… look for Eben Etzebeth to get a lot of game time for the Stormers, and make a helluva impression.

    You can be guaranteed that Juandre Kruger will be in there with Andries Bekker also.

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.01.12 11:38:54 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : I think he’d add value to the Boks. He’s brilliant off the bench and can change a game with his pace and attacking skills. His scrummaging and lineouts have also improved.

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.01.12 11:40:05 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 36) : Juandre, Flip, Bekker and Mostert would be my locks with Vermeulen at 8, Alberts at 7 and Brussouw completing the loose-trio.

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.01.12 11:41:25 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) :

    Can’t agree with that. He was thrown in the deep end the small opportunity he got with the Springboks.

    Played pretty damn well for the Lions & Stormers.

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.01.12 11:41:31 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : You’re right there, I’m the handsome one, also more modest (just one of my many talents ;-) ) :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.01.12 11:41:53 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : :lol: :lol:

    Maybe everyone thought yours was another sci-fi piece. :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.01.12 11:42:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) :

    In fact, there was an article a while ago about some SA coach, think it was Alan Zondagh… who attended a Province practice session.

    He went home that night and told his wife that he’d just seen the most talented rugby player he’d ever seen, or could ever hope to see… no other then Schalk Brits.

    He wasn’t used correctly. Didn’t fit the pattern they were hoping to play and wasn’t going to make the bench for other reasons.

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.01.12 11:43:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • I like the idea of looking at the overseas based players, but they should only be brought in under the following circumstances:

    1. They are MILES better than anyone plying their trade in SA.

    2. To help out in a fix e.g. we lose our top 3 players in a position to injury and the overseas player is selected to fill the void for the time being.

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.01.12 11:45:06 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 39) : Agreed! And he can cover loosie if he’s on the bench! Never got a fair chance to prove his worth.

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.01.12 11:45:34 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 42) : They had to use him as a flank according to Sanzar. Imagine him as a centre option. Good hands, explosive, good turn of pace.

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.01.12 11:47:31 by StevieS Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 43) : Frans Steyn is a must at 12! Ruan Pienaar is one of our top 3 at 9 along with Pretorius and Vermaak (I’m saying it again, keep Hougaard at wing). BJ Botha is a must at 3 as I rate him above Jannie! The others can come in where needed.

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.01.12 11:48:01 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 42) : Where’d you read that article? Always keen for news like that.

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.01.12 11:48:54 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 45) :

    Would’ve made a helluva 12 if he’d played there since his school days… would’ve made Tim Horan look like an amateur.

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.01.12 11:53:48 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 47) :

    I’ll try find it.

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.01.12 11:55:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 39) : at CC and SR level he maybe played well for them but not good enough for the step up.

    All flash and very little substance IMO.

    We have Du Plessis and Strauss in SA and then Brits and Chilliboy would be joint 3rd IMO.

    If a player was 1st choice and MAYBE in special circumstances if he was a 2nd choice then I’d say try and include him.

    Including a guy who is maybe 3rd best send a shitty message to the local 3rd ranked player.

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.01.12 11:56:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 47) :

    Heck I backtrack on that… it was Brendan Venter, and when Schalk Brits was with the Lions/Cats.

    http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/110630/The_best_player_I_have_coached

    My memory goes blurry over time :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.01.12 11:57:22 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) : Like I said above, the season is even longer now so it pays to look at all of your options. The Stormers found that out last year when they were down to Sam Lane and Koleman who hadn’t even played Currie Cup for WP.

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.01.12 11:59:43 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) :

    No man, Brits is a class player, who is more then capable of playing test rugby.

    Saying that, I do rate Adriaan Strauss EXTREMELY highly… very close to the second best hooker in world rugby if you ask me…

    But yes, if you want a different option off the bench… Schalk Brits is one I’d look at. He’s just unfortunate to have played in a team that was never going to allow him to take the place of the captain & didn’t complement his skill-set.

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.01.12 11:59:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 51) : Thanks man!

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.01.12 12:00:17 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 42) : how long is a while? :lol:

    Note that all his praise comes from teams he played for or is actually playing for. I think Edward Griffiths also said he was the best he ever saw. Every mother thinks their child is the best.

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.01.12 12:00:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) :

    Read that article… Brendan Venter says it perfectly. He should not be competing with other hookers, he offers something completely unique.

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.01.12 12:01:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 55) :

    Note Brendan Venter said that not when he was coaching the Cats… only attended a defensive training session.

    Schalk Brits is a freak. Probably the best player in Europe right now… that says enough IMO.

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.01.12 12:02:49 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 46) : Hougaard should be our 1st choice 9.

    Ruan looks around like an ostrich to much and the screws up.

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.01.12 12:03:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) :

    I was thinking Pienaar as well until recently… tactically I think he’s way ahead of Hougaard. Haven’t seen enough of Hougaard against opposition of any decent quality to really know what he can do at 9.

    With Ruan we’ve got someone that can manage the game… that can put you in the right parts of the field. With Hougaard, you’ve just got a guy who plays the moment… hard to implement a game plan with him at this stage IMO.

    That being said, with a good SR campaign, one where he shows that he’s learning as a 9, it should probably go to Hougaard.

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.01.12 12:07:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : I read the article and agree 100%. He can cover loosie, hooker and even wing or centre at a push!

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : Hougaard doesn’t have a good enough pass to be an international 9.
    Pienaar’s service was good last year. He was quick to the ball but wasn’t afforded enough opportunities with the Boks. A 9 has to look around to assess his options.

    Watch the game against Namibia again, where Hougaard played 9 for the Boks. His passes loop downwards and backwards so that Morne Steyn was catching them at knee height and slightly behind him.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.01.12 12:07:51 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) : If we want a nippy 9 then I’d go for Vermaak or Pretorius! Hougaard plays the moment which is what you want from a wing.

    He’s also, IMO, one of the most gifted attacking wings in the world and would be wasted at 9.

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.01.12 12:09:55 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 59) :

    I don’t agree that Hougaard is a winger though. He made an impression during the WC running support off rucks and so forth… didn’t show anything “out wide” that would make me consider him as a full-time winger.

    He can teach the loose-forwards a thing or two about running lines, but no, he is a scrumhalf through and through. One who needs to learn to play smart rugby to compliment what he already brings to the table.

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.01.12 12:10:12 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : I was impressed with him on the wing during the Bulls super rugby winning campaign. 2010 I think. His passing isn’t up to scratch for a 9.

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.01.12 12:12:20 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 60) :

    Yeah I kept an eye on his passing game as well… not very good. Players he was giving the ball too weren’t running onto it, they were flat-footed waiting for the thing.

    But at the same time, passing the ball isn’t a difficult thing to improve on.

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.01.12 12:12:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 57) : Interesting how Brendan Venter happens to suddenly remember that he said that all these years later when he happens to have been coaching Brits for 70games. :)

    Every coach thinks his baby is the best. :wink: (yes I know)

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.01.12 12:12:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 64) : I’ve played scrummy and when it comes to passing of the required calibre you either have it or you don’t. You can improve the accuracy but the ability is a God-given gift.

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.01.12 12:14:29 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 63) :

    Bring up a highlight package… lots of it is inside steps, or running off Fourie du Preez and so forth. I’ve yet to see his skill-set really prove to me that he is a career winger.

    If he improves his passing game – not a difficult task, and goes to the Fourie du Preez Institute of Player Smarter Rugby at Scrumhalf, then he could give us what Genia gives to the Wannabies.

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.01.12 12:14:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 67) : I think better options for a Will Genia-type game are Vermaak and Pretorius.

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.01.12 12:16:45 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 66) :

    Let’s just say… I don’t think his passing is as bad as you’re making it out to be in that case :mrgreen:

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 65) :

    It doesn’t matter. Schalk Brits won’t play for the Boks again because he’s not playing in SA :|

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.01.12 12:16:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 68) :

    Vermaak is average hey. He’s been playing for many years now and never really shown to be anything more then an excellent CC player, and a good SR player… not in the same league.

    Pretorius on the other hand is a joker. Runs it far too much from the back… Rory Kockott syndrome, and he also misses most of the tackles he attempts.

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.01.12 12:19:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 66) : I’m a scrummy and the ability comes from hours of hard work passing a Medicine ball to a mate 10m away. :)

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.01.12 12:27:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 69) : My favorite comment of yours. :razz:

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.01.12 12:29:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • So you’re both short. :lol:

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.01.12 12:30:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • sink that ship, now we play with player from within SA, we not contending for the WC now…

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.01.12 12:31:50 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 74) :

    Yup, has to be some incentive to stay put.

    Needs to be some exceptions though… Frans being one of them.

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.01.12 12:35:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Only player I’d bring from overseas is Frans Steyn…the others kan ma bly…

  • Comment 76, posted at 31.01.12 14:17:05 by Ice Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 75) : @Ice (Comment 76) : agree and agree. a player must absolutely stand out to be called in from overseas, when we are playing ‘normal’ tests,

  • Comment 77, posted at 31.01.12 14:23:32 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 77) : @Ice (Comment 76) : @hendrikp (Comment 75) : Please can we all agree Frans should play at 12?!

  • Comment 78, posted at 31.01.12 14:38:07 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 78) : We absolutely agree!

  • Comment 79, posted at 31.01.12 14:58:41 by Ice Reply
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  • There is a good reason NZ doesn’t select overseas Boks. You can’t expect to keep your local rugby sustainably strong if you select from abroad.

    I think this would be short-sighted, unless exceptional circumstances prevail.

  • Comment 80, posted at 31.01.12 15:29:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 80) : Exceptional like in FS … I don’t think we have a better inside centre that can contribute in as many ways in SA at the moment.

  • Comment 81, posted at 31.01.12 15:48:48 by Ice Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 80) :

    ‘There is a good reason NZ doesn’t select overseas Boks’

    Maybe it’s because NZ can’t select ANY Boks! ;-)

  • Comment 82, posted at 31.01.12 16:07:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 82) : :lol:

  • Comment 83, posted at 31.01.12 16:22:33 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 82) : I was a bit puzzled by that too! :lol:

  • Comment 84, posted at 31.01.12 16:53:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : Yep Ruan strikes me as too much of a confidence player, he’s a perfectionist who is too hard on himself, he brings himself down – when the pressure is on and his mood off then Ruan may as well be playing against you…

    Hougie is pure scrummy – watch… With a quality number 10 outside him like young Goosen or Patrick there would be something special brewing… Patrick first choice… Obviously…

  • Comment 85, posted at 31.01.12 18:44:23 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Only drawback of having Meyer as coach…? Having to still watch Spies everytime the Boks play… :-)

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.02.12 01:59:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 3) : Agree. In fact, I don’t even want him in the team. So the King of Box-kick-haters.

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.02.12 12:11:23 by King Shark Reply
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