Richard Ferguson

Kings decline IRB invitation


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :EP Kings, Original Content, Super Rugby on 31 Jan 2012 at 09:00
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There has been a lot of talk around the Southern Kings lately, with forced warm up matches, forced inclusion in the SupeRugby tournament and playing weakened teams against top opposition, the team has again made the news headlines.

Kings coach Alan Solomons has declined an invitation for the team to take part in the IRB Nations Cup, after they participated in the tournament last year as the South African Kings, and won the tournament after wins against Georgia, Romania and Portugal.

Solomons has said that his team’s participation in the SupeRugby tournament next year is more important than playing in the Nations Cup, and will rather focus on playing a friendly match against the Western Force in June.

This leaves the door open to another team to participate in the IRB Nations Cup, and we will have to wait and see which nations gets the nod. Meanwhile, the Kings take on the Bulls this Saturday in another warm up match at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium.



49 Comments

  • Idiots! :roll: They should play where and whenever posible.

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.01.12 09:04:30 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : Spot on.

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.01.12 09:08:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • SARU bend over backwards and call in what I’m sure must have been more than a couple of favours to have the anomoly created where a non-national team plays in the Nations cup in place of the Emerging Springboks and the Kings say “Shove it we’ll rather play a friendly”

    What a bunch of fools.

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.01.12 09:11:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) :

    They seem a bit arrogant to me ..

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.01.12 09:11:56 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Hey maybe they believe they are too good to play Nations cup, because they won it last year.

    please let them win the SR in 2013.

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.01.12 09:12:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Send the Griquas instead! :grin:

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.01.12 09:21:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 6) :

    Heck … send Boland …

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.01.12 09:29:58 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : Their players were ‘spiritless’ towards the end of last year after the rigours of the Nations Cup! How will they ever cope with Super Rugby if they can’t manage 3 games against very weak national sides?!

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.01.12 09:33:47 by StevieS Reply
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  • Maybe the players are on play for pay contract?

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.01.12 09:41:28 by Rahul Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 9) : :) very possible.

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.01.12 09:43:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • They should be playing as much as they can to get their players used to a demanding schedule and to give them as much exposure as possible. This is a big ‘FAIL’ on their part!

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.01.12 09:47:18 by StevieS Reply
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  • Megatron, do you have any details on why they would pass up on this?

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.01.12 09:54:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : I hope there is a very good reason.

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.01.12 09:58:39 by StevieS Reply
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  • its very difficult to not be cynical when it comes to the Kings. They didn’t even qualify for top tier Currie Cup, and in all certainty look set to replace the Currie Cup Champions in the Superleague… I’m a South African and proudly so, but Kings need to produce… If they can make us proud in the competition I will be chuffed.
    Its a difficult scenario, because for a long time I said drop the Lions from Super and revert back to Super 12. Let rugby be the winner.

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.01.12 10:25:15 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 14) :

    Hopefully the Lions will prove a few people wrong this season . Lets wait and see …

    ive got a feeling … ohhhh ohhhhh

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.01.12 10:40:40 by Zibbie Reply
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  • if The Lions do in fact do well, it will make it very interesting – because then who gets the axe? Realistically as it stands The Kings shouldn’t be able to win against any South African fully loaded Super team. Hence I remain cynical. Their ‘superstar’ is average at best…

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.01.12 10:50:52 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 16) :
    The Kings needs more time to develop before they are ready for SR

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.01.12 11:04:14 by Mutley Reply
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  • it seems like every man and his dog know exactly what is good for the Kings better than what alan solomons does.

    - who are the players solly has identified for purchase to bolster his team for SR?
    - are they currently engaged in european leagues or will they be involved in this year’s super rugby?
    -does the Nations Cup fall during the rest period for these players?

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.01.12 11:15:01 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 18) :

    all Lions players are currently involved in pre-season :P

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.01.12 11:16:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 16) :

    SARU is waiting for the Lions to be declared bankrupt . then they can include the Kings .

    Since the Lions own Ellis Park i think this might not happen ..

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.01.12 11:22:13 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 18) : Does anyone know who the Kings are planning on recruiting? It would be an excellent article.

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.01.12 12:45:40 by StevieS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 18) : His players have a rest period in July?

    My daughter still has snooze time (can’t say nap) every afternoon.

    Oh SR IS going to be shock to the system for these boys.

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.01.12 13:06:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 22) : why do you care? i find it very amusing how most here feel the kings should be grateful for anything thrown their way even if it is a RIDICULOUS schedule of 5 games in 20 days.

    “you said you wanted to play super rugby so get on with these warm-ups & quit f-cuking complaining”
    :lol: :roll:

    how many of the current super rugby coaches would agree to such a thing?

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.01.12 14:57:42 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 23) : :razz:

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.01.12 15:05:15 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 23) :
    Seems the old establishment is pretty firm on what they hope for the Kings. Change is seldom easy for Joe Average.

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.01.12 15:06:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 23) : The only way SA can be competitive is if we use the central contract system used by New Zealand or something similar.

    Each franchise has first pick of 24 players from within their region. The rest go into a national pool and then all the coaches sit down with the national coach and decides who will get the players from the pool. This would allow the Kings to get some good players and ensure more game time for fringe players. It could only be good for Bok rugby.

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.01.12 15:20:04 by StevieS Reply
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  • I smell a certain individual all over this one, 1st he wants to puke on the Bok jersey and now he doesnt even want to represent his country at all :twisted:

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.01.12 15:23:16 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 27) : Just kidding ;-)

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.01.12 15:24:08 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 26) :
    Its been mentioned before, but its worth saying again: its a great system, but it would need all players to be contracted nationally, and not provincially, to work.

    This is unlikely to be allowed by the mafia that are the big provincial unions.

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.01.12 15:33:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 26) : the Bulls, Stormers and Sharks will NEVER allow that to happen. why would they want their monopoly broken up?

    imagine the Stormers with the massive revenue they generate, giving most of it to the Cheetahs or Lions – who haven’t managed to fill up their stadiums in a decade – so they can afford Heinrich Brussow’s salary, will never happen. too much of an entrenched provincial mindset

  • Comment 30, posted at 31.01.12 15:52:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 27) : lay off luke… it is inane and tired to go after him :lol:

    geez, some south africans take longer to evolve.

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.01.12 15:54:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 31) : I agree… I have no issues with Luke

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.01.12 16:03:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • No can do :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.01.12 16:24:49 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 25) : Change is/was easy.

    There used to be a mighty (pun not intended) Ep team many years ago and through poor administration they were not able to compete financially and keep their players. And this is where they have ended up all these years later.

    I believe very few IF ANY people would have an issue if the kings won the 1st division and then played Premier Div CC. And once they were in the premier Div few people once again would have any issue if they were included in the SR comp.

    I’ll put money on it now (you can name the number) that even after 3 years in the competition the Kings will STILL struggle to beat 3 out of 5 of the previous top 5 SA teams.

    it’s a term that I’ve used some poetic license on but “GIVE people a SR franchise and you’ll give them rugby for a year, TEACH them to administer their rugby and you’ll give them rugby for a long time”

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.01.12 16:34:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 31) :
    @robdylan (Comment 32) :

    The only credit i’ll give him is that he has stayed out of the press since returning to RSA. I’m sure that will change once the Kings are included in SR.

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.01.12 16:36:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : that;s all history and very much irrelevant. the lions have mismanaged their union to s_hit, they’ve lost ALL their games in 2010…why should THEY be guaranteed super rugby participation?

    why should they be afforded the luxury of rebuilding themselves through acquisitions of 2nd string players from the sharks using money SARU is obliged to give to ALL teams participating in SR and some of the Guma group?

    imagine if the lions had lost their super rugby spot after their dismal 2010 season, tell me which player from the sharks – cilliers, rhodes, cronje, kockott etc – would’ve gone there? i can tell you for free, NONE!

    level the bloody playing fields.

    players like marnitz boshoff opt to go to the griquas after being discarded by heyneke meyer at the bulls, you know why? because in bloody kimberley there’s a chance to make the broader cheetahs SR squad and not because kimberley is such a kwaai place to live!

    get real.

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.01.12 16:47:29 by Megatron Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : the cheetahs are bitching now that if they lose their SR status they will lose their toyota sponsorship and hence won’t be able to pay player salaries… hhmm how are the kings expected to secure a sponsor sans SR status and pay competitive salaries to quality players? :roll: :|

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.01.12 16:50:41 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : By not being choosie about who they play and to get as much gametime and exposure as they possibly can.

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.01.12 17:31:46 by JarsonX Reply
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  • We are Kings but we want to behave like spoiled brats.

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.01.12 17:32:51 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 37) : Now maybe if the Kings were good enough to play 1st division they would have had a little more sponsorship, but they are not even good enough for that.

    My gripe is not with the KINGS getting SR it is with the effective 10th best team in SA suddenly jumping over the 9th, 8th, 7th, 6th, and 5th teams to get a spot at the table. Why are they different from these teams? (Don’t answer ‘coz we can’t discuss that :) )

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.01.12 18:15:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 37): The Cheetahs need not worry, SARU are lobbying SANZAR to make the competition even bigger. :evil: :evil:

    One thing is for sure at least SARU will be giving us miles of headline in the next few months.

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.01.12 18:22:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 38) : mxim try harder :roll:

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) : the pumas are aligned with the bulls, griquas with cheetahs…leopards with lions….all the unions get a SHARE from the SR stipend from SARU by being associated with frachises…

    who are the kings, eagles, border are not affiliated with anybody! that is the difference…up your game OU TOPPIE :roll:

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.01.12 18:34:01 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 42) : So are you saying we at the Sharks are special ‘coz EP, and Border are supposed to be associated with us. :wink:

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.01.12 18:37:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 41) : john o’neill will NOT allow it! he suckered Marinos into the conference system and arsetralia effectively have a ‘domestic’ he won’t let that go to ruin.

    saru are just pissing in the wind.

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.01.12 18:39:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 43) : you having your cake and eating it…

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.01.12 18:46:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • Aus, Nz and SA should field only 3 teams each in super rugby ( restructure : SA could have a Northern, Southern and Eastern team ), the rest of the Super Rugby 15/16 should consist out of the national teams of the weaker rugby countries.

    Then we can beef up our CC again.

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.02.12 05:35:23 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 36) :

    i dont know … this is all very valid questions . my question is . Lets say the Lions are relegated or what ever you want to call it . and lets say The lions have about 3 players .

    I think realistically about 2 would go and play for each of the 4 other Big Sides (give or take a few but more or less) .

    Now what will happen to the other 22 players ? Most of them should end up with the Kings then . they will jump at a player like Wickus Van Heerden .

    Now you will agree with me that the aim off the Kings is not to get all the rejects from the Team they replace . and it wont help to not give them SR status cause this is were we are at now . So the only good solution would be to get a 6th SR team . Say they kings have first right to sign players from this region . Maybe say players who went to school in this region but is now playing for other provinces can come to the Kings and SARU will pay the salaries .

    How we will do this is a bit of a problem . The Kings will need time to develop . But we will see

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.02.12 07:13:34 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 47) : You can’t exactly say to a player in Dbn or CT or Jhb sorry dude, you went to school in the EC, you’re going to have to relocate your family back there because the Kings need players.

    IF the Kings are going to want to get a local team it is going to be a long process.

    1) achieve SR inclusion
    2) lure better sponsors with being able to offer SR exposure to the sponsor.
    3) use the money to prevent the big unions from raiding the EC school system for player.
    4) Nurture those players to SR quality players.

    This will be a 5 year plan at minimum IF the administration gets it right first time.

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.02.12 08:08:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) :

    i said ‘can’ , Not ‘have to’ :razz:

    I feel thats why the Lions are better than the Kings (Yes i know Hendrik P will tell me otherwise ). We have one or 2 players that are good enough to make it big time . I dont believe the Kings to have the same . and they need to find a way to get those players without raiding the team they replace (should they replace a existing SR team)

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