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The depth of Plumtree’s concern


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 13 Feb 2012 at 11:43
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Sharks coach John Plumtree faces a real poser this morning, having earlier announced that the team for this weekend’s match against the Kings will resemble, as closely as possible, the unit that he hopes to pick against the Bulls in the Super Rugby opener a week later.

His problem, simply put, is that only five of the fifteen available positions can be considered finalised at this point, with so many players putting their hands up over the course of the last two hit-outs that he’s now spoiled for choice. Compounding that issue, though, is the fact that the Sharks have had by far the gentlest warm up program of any of the South African franchises, meaning that the coach has yet to see whether any of the wonderful depth that is emerging will actually stand up to the challenge of real Super Rugby opposition.

It’s only in the front row, at flyhalf and at left wing (although that latter position is a little less certain) that Plumtree has his starters written in pen, although there is a sixth assured starter in captain Keegan Daniel, who will probably (but not definitely) play in the number 6 jersey. Dale Chadwick and the du Plessis brothers will comprise the front row; Pat Lambie will be at flyhalf and unless the coach opts not to play JP Pietersen at centre (unlikely), Lwazi Mvovo will be in 11.

New selection quandaries to emerge on Friday night came in the form of some sublime play from Fred Michalak at scrumhalf, as well as good performances by centres Tim Whitehead and Marius Joubert, to strongly challenge the assumed backline line up that features Charl McLeod, Meyer Bosman and Pietersen in jerseys 9, 12 and 13. The second row is already a right old bun fight, with Anton Bresler now sticking up his hand for the number 5 jersey as well as being in line for a start at 4 (along with Steven Sykes, Jandre Marais and Piet-Steph du Toit!).

Amongst the loose forwards, Marcell Coetzee and Tera Mthembu both advanced their own selection claims against Boland (scoring a pair of tries each) while Sbura Sithole scored with his first touch to again crack the wing race wide open; assuming a guaranteed place for Mvovo, Riaan Viljoen, Louis Ludik, Odwa Ndungane and Sithole will all be fighting for just two spots.

Expect Plumtree to take at least 24 players down to PE this weekend, given the quandary he’s now in, but perhaps even more as his squad makes it impossible for him to settle on a first-choice side to play the Bulls.



268 Comments

  • I don’t think we will hear the coach complaining about this too much?!

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.02.12 11:49:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Considering the team only really played an equivelant of two internal trial games, I would be hesitant to venture too far out of the conventional selections if I was Plum.

    Contrary to popular reports from the game against Boland, I must add that two players I expected to see a great deal from, but who failed to live up to the expectation was Freddie Michalak and PSD aka the great hope.
    Freddie was a bit too erratic and in a Super Rugby game would find himself been punished more times than not for running behind defenders and while delaying his pass unintentionally to the next runner caused his own players to “dummy run” unintentionally.
    PSD hardly did the bashing runs we expected and rather hit the rucks like an old number 4 often spilling the ball when it came his way.

    That said, my team to face the bulls would be.
    15. Viljoen
    14. Sithole
    13. JP
    12. Bosman
    11. Mvovo
    10. Lambie
    09. Mcleod
    08. Kanko – Purely experience would rather have the livewire Mthembu
    07. Coetzee – going to have to bash it up but also look for support
    06. Keegs
    05. Carson Skeate
    04. Sykes – Welcome back
    03. JDP
    02. Bissie
    01. Chadwick

    16. Burden
    17. Herbst
    18. Redlinghuis
    19. Bresler or PSD
    20. Mthembu
    21. Michalak
    22. Jordaan – WOW what a talent. Gonna cause havock if given gametime

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.02.12 12:02:52 by chucky Reply

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  • My worry is that BECAUSE we haven’t had a top team as warm up opposition, Plumtree will go with the old school and all the talk of youngsters coming through will once again come to nothing because Plumtree wants to rather play it safe. :(

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.02.12 12:12:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Love the quandry and the headline!

    @chucky (Comment 2) :
    Pretty decent side!

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.02.12 12:12:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 2) : Is that you Plum?

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.02.12 12:13:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 2) :

    Decent team, I would not have Kanko in my travelling 22, to be honest.

    Also, your bench has three front rankers, I don’t think that is entirely necessary.. Herbst and Burden will be enough..

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.02.12 12:15:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Chances of Marcell Coetzee holding a spot in the 22 once Alberts and Deysel return?

    Haven’t seen much of the guy, but if the hype is to be believed, I’d be taking him over Jean Deysel :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.02.12 12:18:13 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) : Why would you not select Kanko? He looked to regain some decent form at the end of last season. A Kanko in form is the best number 8 in SA.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.02.12 12:22:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 7) : How the Stormers wish they had the same depth as the Sharks in their loose forwards! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.02.12 12:26:29 by Ben Reply
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  • This is what the Sharks’ loose forward pecking order should be imo. 6 Keegan. Backup Botes. 7 Alberts. Backup Deysel. 8 Kanko. Backup Coetzee (Still think 8 is Coetzee’s best suited position).

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.02.12 12:30:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 10) : ben I have to agree with Richard here, Kanko is being selected on reputation alone and on what many reports of the two trial matches say it looks like Kanko has still no form/mojo – Coetzee deserves it much more at this point imo based on last season and all the reports of the two trial matches.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.02.12 12:35:10 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 7) : Deysel will deployed at 4 and 7 predominently. He should only be back competitively midway through the campaign though.

    Coetzee will revert to the bench once Alberts returns.

    @Ben (Comment 8) : Kanko is at best, on form, the 4th best 8th man in SA at the moment and his lethargic performances do not warrant selection to the Sharks starting XV, but due to the nature of the competition we will need his experience.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.02.12 12:35:20 by chucky Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) : Would you prefer an extra loosie?

    I have covered with two props due to the “conditioning” of our young props. Chadwick has 55min of good play in him and Herbst has about 40. Cosnidering this is the 1st full hit out for the sharks JDP will also need to rest his tree trunks around the 50-60 min mark. hence two props.

    It will be a long evening on the backfoot, no matter how elusive our backline might prove to be.

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.02.12 12:40:56 by chucky Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 8) :

    Kanko has been in terrible form, and what I’ve seen in two matches against poor opposition has been disappointing.

    He goes nowhere with his runs and seems very uninterested in getting involved..

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.02.12 12:41:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 12) :

    Deysel will not play in the second row this year, I can guarantee that!

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.02.12 12:42:47 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 12) : And the other 3 better 8th men would be who?

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.02.12 12:43:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 13) :

    On the backfoot against the Bulls?

    Seriously?

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.02.12 12:43:52 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) : Thanks Rich. Didnt know how he did in the warm ups. He has to pull up his socks then!

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.02.12 12:49:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 18) :

    I have always been a big Kanko fan, so it pains me to say things like that.

    But that is what the reality is unfortunately..

    I would love to see him back in full swing, just hope he can get there

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.02.12 12:51:42 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 2) : If you talk about experience, I can’t see Mthembu getting the nod ahead of Botes

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.02.12 12:53:41 by beet Reply
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  • Bulls pride themselves on scrumming. Technique is what is going to give us a dominant scrum. With the loss of Beast and the introduction of the relatively inexperienced Chadwick. The Bulls will try their utmost to rattle him. Thus getting penalties or forcing the turnover.

    That should result i nus on the backfoot if we are not [email protected]Richard Ferguson (Comment 15) : We can both only speculate here as injuries havnt had to force Plums hand as yet. But when you have lost 4 games in a row and have injuries to your front line players, you will think twice about playing your Breslers, PSD,Marais etc.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.02.12 12:54:06 by chucky Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 19) : Maybe now is a better time than ever to try him in the backline. :)

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.02.12 12:56:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 14) :
    Can not agree more, Richard.

    Kanko is nowhere, his workrate is very low and is very suspect on defence.

    Rather go with a younger player that has a high workrate and can defend, like Marcel.

    Bulls game 8 – Marcel
    7 – Botes, reliable.
    6- Keagan

    12 – Whitehead
    9 – Freddy

    I will take a chance with Du Toit at lock.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.02.12 12:57:39 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 21) :

    The Bulls aren’t exactly the most experienced pair either..

    No point in going into the game expecting it to wrong. Chadders and co would have put in an extreme amount of work come scrum time, preparing not only for this game, but for the season.

    As for the second row, I stand by my earlier comment, there will be no Deysel at lock this year. We have too many talented people who will leave should Plum go for Deysel. It was a failed experiment, won’t happen again.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.02.12 13:01:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : :) My thoughts exactly.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.02.12 13:02:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 16) : If you have watched Kankos games from last year up to and including the Boland game and compare it to any of the other SA franchises you will be able to compare without any doubt that Kanko is at best 4th in the country in his preferred position. (include his teamates who can cover that position)

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.02.12 13:02:47 by chucky Reply

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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 23) :

    After Friday night’s game, I would go for Marcell at 8 and Keegan at 6 as well. They interchange well and the combo works. As for 7, I am not sure about Botes, plainly as it leaves us very light. I would chance it with PSdT at 7 for the first half. If it fails, bring on Botes in the second..

    I reckon he will have a big impact at the side of the scrum, provide extra line out options, and he does the hard work in getting to breakdown.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.02.12 13:03:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 26) :

    I think the question is who are the others then..

    Can you list them?

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.02.12 13:04:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 23) : They have kept Pieter-Steph away from the 2nd row which is an indication that he’s not ready to assume this role just yet, so I think if he is going to be involved in SR, initially it will be as a no.7

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.02.12 13:05:14 by beet Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 21) : Being on the backfoot if we are not cautious is always possible, but that is very different from saying it will be a long evening on the backfoot as if it is a foregone conclusion?

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.02.12 13:07:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) :

    I very much doubt that the Sharks, with Jannie and Bismarck in the front row, will be taking many steps back against the Bulls..

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.02.12 13:08:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 24) : Agree that they are talented, but If I was Plum I would rather a young up and coming lock who is digruntled because of non selection leave the union, than me leave and have no job as a coach beacause of poor results.

    Personally I prefer Deysel covering for Alberts at 7 or a Loose trio of
    8 – Keegan
    7 – Alberts
    6 – Deysel

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.02.12 13:09:10 by chucky Reply

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  • Plum will probably go with what he knows for the first couple of games.

    so Locks Sykes and Skeate looseforwards Keegan, Marcell Kanko/Botes. Scrummie, coin toss at this point, i would go for Fred, though. Centres, will be surprised to not see Bosman/JPP combo. Wings Mvovo and Odwa and Viljoen 15. Bench, Bresler,Jordaan/Whitehead. Maybe 5 forwards to pop Du toit on the bench, if we need to add some weight to the loose trio.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.02.12 13:09:29 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 28) : If on our books, we had a fit Duane Vermeulen, Josh Strauss or Ashley Johnson, I’d be inclined to select any of those 3 ahead of Kanko based on current form.

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.02.12 13:09:59 by beet Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 26) : You are missing the point. You said Kanko is at BEST and in FORM the 4th best 8 in SA. I say Kanko in form is the best 8 in SA.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.02.12 13:13:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 32) : We need one of Deysel or Bissie on the field most of the time, since they the only 2 that can fetch effectively and on a consistent basis. Alberts and Deysel should rotate at 7 when they return. 6-Should be keegan/Botes and 8 Marcell/Keegan. Kankowski has fallen far out of favour with me, he can’t keep surviving off his name, his performances need to do the talking.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.02.12 13:13:12 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 28) :
    Strauss – More commanding and runs straight
    Vermuelen – Strong and straight
    Koster – Kanko Mould but does more work
    Johnson – Strong and good link
    Keegan and Marcell can cover 8 and look hungrier
    CJ Stander – good stand in for Spies, barnstorming runs.

    So on FORM i believe Kanko is at best 4th in SA at the moment.

    I would even select a loosie out of position for the boks should Spies, Burger, Alberts, Juan etc be injured come June ahead of Kanko

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.02.12 13:15:21 by chucky Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 34) : I really don’t understand why Josh Strauss is so highly rated, i don’t see it. The beard is obstructing everybodies view :lol: He is a solid player; but i have never seen him perform to the same standard/level of Spies, Johnson, Duanne, etc. At 8.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.02.12 13:16:47 by JJR Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 34) :

    Completely agree with that, on current form..

    But not when Kanko is at his best, and that was the comment, as Ben rightly points out..

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.02.12 13:16:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 34) : Vermeulen? :shock: I can’t agree with that one. :oops: the other two I’d go with but also only if Kanowski doesn’t return to top form.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.02.12 13:17:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 37) :

    Kanko on form will make Strauss, Johnson, and most cetainly Koster his bitch..

    Simply cannot agree with you on that..

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.02.12 13:18:49 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 37) :

    As for cart horse Vermeulen.. I am literally laughing right now..

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.02.12 13:19:34 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 37) : Kanko is very var down the pecking order for me. Even J.Cronje is having some really good games in top 14, and Alberts is also very effective at 8, Marcell is gonna be a star, for me he is already better than kanko. Marcell, Strong, fast, runs straight, tackles hard and has a great work rate…his workrate is as high as any openside flanker. I Believe :smile:

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.02.12 13:19:40 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : Apologies, I personally dont believe Kanko will get back to his 2007/08/09 form.

    So if his form of last year is to be judged he wouldnt have a contract renewal in my opinion.

    Does the Stef terblanche, Waylon Murray crawl across field too often.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.02.12 13:20:13 by chucky Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 36) : The same can almost be said about Botes though. He doesn’t have to much left in those legs and is not what he was in 2010.

    If he dips as much from ’11 to ’12 as he did from ’10 to ’11 then he should see very little game time.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.02.12 13:21:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 40) : Vermeulen was in some sparkling form before he got injured. And he weighs more than kanko, and he’s tons more aggresive…being more aggresive can do so much for a player. Well that’s what i think anyway :smile:

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.02.12 13:21:50 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 41) : Agree 100%

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.02.12 13:24:23 by Ben Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 38) : For the same reason a player with a head of wild blonde hair is so easily considered a good player. They stand out and are more easily noticed.

    The best example is Sebastian Chabal. He wasn’t a sudden find. He had been playing for ages but without the beard and hair. Once he had the beard and hair he was suddenly noticable.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.02.12 13:25:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 9) :

    Bud, we’ve got better loose-forwards.

    Schalk Burger – Former IRB POTY. Twice SA Player of the Year. Brilliant player.

    Duane Vermeulen – Probably the unluckiest loose-forward in SA. Considering the ones before him, he should’ve had many Bok caps by now.

    Nick Koster – Excellent attacking player. Behind a pack who gives good ball, he could be devastating.

    Siya Kolisi – Burst onto the scene. Will be excellent off the bench.

    Nizaam Carr – Powerful player. Provides a nice alternative to the more expansive Nick Koster.

    I’d pass on Kankowski, Daniel, Deysel & Mtembu.

    Definitely would take Alberts, and have a look at Marcell Coetzee.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.02.12 13:27:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 46) : He’s a WANNABE enforcer, who crumbles against any real aggression. :razz:

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.02.12 13:28:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) : You just made my day! :lol:

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.02.12 13:31:36 by Ben Reply
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  • WP / Stormers are on the verge of something very very good.

    We’re strong across the park except maybe in the front-row, where Steven Kitshoff & Frans Malherbe look like they could solve our problems. Kitshoff being the likely starter from Game 1 this year.

    And in the halves, but if Gary van Aswegen can stay fit, and Swiel is what Rassie thinks he’s cracked out to be – hopefully they work with him – then that problem is also solved.

    It’s only a matter of time… WP has too much depth not to win trophies.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.02.12 13:31:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • The point is Vermeulen was way better than Kanko last year and seeing that Kanko seems to have dropped down a further notch in form, call him a carthorse or whatever, Vermeulen was getting the job done in 2011 and chances are that if he’s made a full recovery, he’ll continue to outperform Kanko.

    Kanko needs to up his game or put on 10kgs and reinvent himself as a workaholic.

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.02.12 13:35:04 by beet Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 51) :

    Laugh all you want, it’s the truth.

    Can’t argue with what they did in 2011 either. Easily one of the best loose-forward units in the competition, if not the best. Admittedly they are now without Francois Louw, but it just means moving the more robust Vermeulen onto the blindside, and being able to play more expansively with Koster.

    Our problem last year was not in the loose-forwards, it’s a strength.

    The Sharks on the other hand should be worrying about their loose-forward balance.

    I’d still be going for Kanko, but he’s starting to look out of his depth, now that he’s not making line-breaks so often.

    And Keegan Daniel needs to start doing the dirty work.

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.02.12 13:35:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • sharks loosie stocks are well equipped just a matter of how they should be deployed.

    My personal thoughts on the pecking order:

    8th man –
    Daniel
    Coetzee
    Kanko
    Mthembu

    7 –
    Alberts
    Deysel
    Coetzee
    PSD

    6 -
    Daniel
    Botes
    Deysel

    Would ideally like
    Keegan at 8
    Alberts at 7
    Botes or Coetzee at 6

    Bissie steals much the rest of the team should get in on the act.

    Would sell Kanko, Botes and try to resubmit an offer for Brussow

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.02.12 13:36:13 by chucky Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) :
    Burger, Vermeulen, Koster, Kolisi, Carr
    V
    Deysel, Coetzee, Alberts, Daniel, Kankowski, and then still Botes, Mthembu and Du Toit if needed.

    Yip yours are better FAR better. Bwhahahahaha :lol: :lol:

    Oh and Ben actually mentioned DEPTH, but not to worry you are a better off in that department as well. :lol:

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.02.12 13:38:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • On having more props on the bench…

    You shouldn’t plan to replace a guy… If a player can’t last the 80 he probably shouldn’t be on the field at all.

    This whole ‘take him off after 50′ and so forth makes no sense :mrgreen:

    Only guy I’ve ever seen it done with is Bakkies Botha, which was also stoopid.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.02.12 13:38:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 53) : I doubt he has any reinventing left in him. used up his chances and now faces an uphill battle to get back to the top and it doensnt help that Hard nose HM is the Bok coach. So no real hope for him.

    Wont be surprised if he is released

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.02.12 13:39:39 by chucky Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) :
    Read it again. Schalk is worth his weight in platinum, no doubt. Seabiscuit Vermeulen is never gonna win you games, but he is solid. The problem is the lack of experience amongst the rest. Some good young talent (although Koster has been shown up every time he had the chance to step up), but all green to the gills.

    @hendrikp (Comment 52) :

    “It’s only a matter of time… WP has too much depth not to win trophies.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    How many times has some poor WP punter written those exact words on SW?

    Claytie, Wes? You guys kept count?

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.02.12 13:40:29 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 52) : Yet that trophy polisher keeps hoping every month that they aren’t going to say he is surplus to requirements. :razz:

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.02.12 13:40:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 54) : Damn sorry Hendrik. I really shouldn’t laugh at people with eyesight trouble. ;)

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.02.12 13:41:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 48) : Ya, True, but Chabal played well if he had a beard or not. Burger also we all know puts his body on the line, similar way to keegan, just schalla has about 15kg on Keegan. I just don’t see what makes strauss so good, that’s all :smile:

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.02.12 13:41:32 by JJR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 56) :

    Jeez man, if you want to talk depth, why don’t I throw in Rohan Kitshoff, Nick Fenton-Wells, Reuben Johannes, Tertius Daniller, Donovan Armandt.

    It matters f-all if they aren’t top notch players.

    Always been a fan of Botes, but let’s be honest, he has his weaknesses.

    The last two you mention haven’t even played Super Rugby.

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.02.12 13:41:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 63) :

    Or Currie Cup Rugby for that matter.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.02.12 13:41:55 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 55) : What do you make of Groenewald moving ahead of Kleinhans in the pecking order and even Chris Cloete and Brynard being preferred to him in the starting Sharks XV trial lineup.

    Coupling this with the first trial game, I’m reading into it that Groenewald might force his way into the equation at some point but I really have to see how he goes in real games.

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.02.12 13:41:59 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 54) : Robust? Vermeulen? :lol: Maybe he is using a Robust hair gel.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.02.12 13:42:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 63) : Sharks also have Franna Kleinhans, Khaya Majola,Chris Cloete, Brynard Stander and Brendon Groenewald. Sharks have way more loose forward quality than province, especially in the Big ball carrier department. Thinking about it Sharks also more out and out fetchers, the first 3 i mention in this post.

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.02.12 13:44:06 by JJR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 66) :

    :| Obviously got your goggles on today pal.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.02.12 13:44:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 58) : Where will Kanko go, he’s totally unsuited to European rugby. He’s going to have to reinvent himself at some stage to prolong his career.

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.02.12 13:44:42 by beet Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 54) : Is this the strength and depth that saw you scurry to get Flits Brits as an urgent Loose forward replacement for the Play-offs?

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.02.12 13:44:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 66) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.02.12 13:46:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 68) : He’s the one wearing the goggles. I’m sure. :cool: :roll:

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.02.12 13:48:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 67) :

    And none of them have played anything beyond U21 rugby…

    The same Kleinhans that could barely make an impression for SA U20 last season?

    Things must be tough in Natal.

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.02.12 13:48:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 65) : I dont believe Kleinhans has been leap frogged. It looks as though the guys who were going all out with the super Squad werent asked to be overly active in the White and Aqua trials.

    Kleinhans is a strong bugger who can link as an 8 or steal as a 6.

    I expect all to be fully involved in Vodacom cup though and there true test will be decided on their performances there. Francois advantage is that he does have Currie Cup experience and should be the starting 6 for Everitts boys

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.02.12 13:48:57 by chucky Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 72) : Ha Ha, i’m with on this one Ben :smile:

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.02.12 13:49:06 by JJR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 70) :

    Can’t do anything about injuries, or muggings for that matter.

    Nor can you deny what an excellent player Schalk Brits is.

    Rather him then any of these no-name Sharks players mentioned above :lol:

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.02.12 13:50:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Anyway… The Sharks haven’t got a hope in hell this season. Sorry guys.

    Will be between the Stormers & Bulls for the top SA spot.

    The Sharks will have to try hold out the Cheetahs for 3rd.

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.02.12 13:51:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 69) : Japan would take him in a flash and he’d be well suited to the astroturf hard fast pitches.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.02.12 13:51:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 77) : We shall see. 1st watch the Sharks tear apart the Bulls at Loftus.

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.02.12 13:52:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 73) : Kleinhans has a Shark cap ot two…where u been? An what have they done- Rohan Kitshoff, Nick Fenton-Wells, Reuben Johannes, Tertius Daniller, Donovan Armandt…?

    Our youngsters have a lot more quality than those ones coming through at province…i exclude Kolisi because he is already a regular. He is the only young loose forward at province that deserves mention.

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.02.12 13:53:25 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 79) :

    How’s about an internet wager?

    Not for money or anything… I’ll brainstorm :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.02.12 13:53:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 76) : But you have all that depth, why didn’t you call on it. I mean Kolisi who Brits replaced was only #4 on your list of loosies and you had to go outside the union to replace him.

    Some real depth there. :lol:

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.02.12 13:55:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 80) :

    Kitshoff, Daniller & Fenton-Wells alll played plenty of CC rugby. I don’t necessarily think they are great players… but when you start throwing names at me of guys who haven’t even played anything above U21 rugby… then I think you need to think again :mrgreen:

    How many games did Kleinhans play? I’ll have a quick look but if I remember correctly it was a cap against the Pumas or someone.

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.02.12 13:56:04 by hendrikp Reply

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  • You don’t want to wait for the Sharks to rip the Stormers apart before making some wagers? :)

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.02.12 13:56:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 77) : I don’t mind people making absurd statements if they can back it up…so please elaborate and give somme backup to ur statement…preferably statements that most will agree with and not just urself :smile:

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.02.12 13:56:33 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 84) : Sorry, comment was made @hendrikp (Comment 81) :

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.02.12 13:57:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 82) :

    Vermeulen was also injured, while Carr was away with the U20′s.

    Brits, at the time, was a more experienced option.

    If you’re allowed to, and you’re trying to win a trophy, why wouldn’t you go for someone like Brits?

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.02.12 13:57:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 81) : I’ll take a bet with you on the aggregate result between the Sharks and Stormers.

    Let me come up with the “cost” and I’ll let you know.

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.02.12 13:59:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 87) : but you had the depth, why didn’t you use it? or was it not quite deep enough?

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.02.12 14:00:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 83) : I was adding onto the names that KSA Sharks said…here is our list of looseforwards. Keegan, Botes, Alberts, Deysel, Marcell, Kanko, Mthembu, Kleinhans, Cloete, Majola, Stander and Groenewald. if we compared individual talent and abilities/capabilities with Province and lets exclude experience, (because M. Coetzee and Kolisi showed that experience can count for little when you are a talented loose forward)The Sharks edge it out comfortably…most of those province players got experience because province had no quality experienced guys to play and were forced to back the youngsters…we know how well Province did in the CC ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 90, posted at 13.02.12 14:01:12 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 77) :
    Seriously, is someone paying you for comic relief or are you just off the meds?

    I’m not saying that the Sharks are guaranteed to win the SA conference, but in the real world that most of us live in, things are far from the foregone conclusion that you paint.

  • Comment 91, posted at 13.02.12 14:01:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 85) :

    Bulls have too much quality not to be competitive. If I had to pick a team personally to support, I’d pick the Sharks over the Bulls, but players who are often criticized, like Morne Steyn & Wynand Olivier are so effective at that level. They’ve brought a new dimension with players they’ve brought in, and their forwards are effective.

    The Stormers went 7-from-8 against SA sides last season, and won 3 from 4 overseas. Expect more of the same.

    And the Cheetahs are on the UP. If they can sort out their defense, and get Johan Goosen pinning opposition teams in their own half, it’s going to be hard work.

    ———–

    Sharks have quality, but too many gaps. Pat Lambie will have trouble playing inside an unsettled, and potentially poor centre pairing. That and he’ll need some time for the team as a whole to find their mojo. Won’t happen in 2012.

  • Comment 92, posted at 13.02.12 14:03:10 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 87) : If thats the case then the Sharks should get Sowerby to cover outside centre.
    It is allowed but why go out your ranks if the quality is there.

    We would recruit a flyhalf or prop who are more sepcialist positions not a freaken hooker to cover loosie!

  • Comment 93, posted at 13.02.12 14:04:03 by chucky Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 89) :

    Bud.

    I hear about all this Sharks depth at lock, yet they used Jean Deysel there during the CC?

    Don’t be stoopid.

  • Comment 94, posted at 13.02.12 14:04:11 by hendrikp Reply

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  • We have enough depth to rotate just frequently enough so that the players don’t get fatigued.

  • Comment 95, posted at 13.02.12 14:05:58 by King Shark Reply
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  • Note to self: Don’t say anything even remotely negative about the Sharks to one of their supporters.

  • Comment 96, posted at 13.02.12 14:06:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 87) : So if the Sharks lost 3 of their loosies let’s say our top 3 IMO (alberts, deysel, daniel) then we could still field Botes, coetzee, Kankowski and Kleinhans.

    when you had three out (vermeulen, carr, kolisi) you had to go hunting abroad?

    We have way more depth that you, simple fact.

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.02.12 14:07:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 94) : Are you a girl? Only Girls change the discussion when they can’t win the current one. :razz:

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.02.12 14:08:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 93) :

    If you go into a semi-final, you don’t call up guys who’ve never played at that level. Not good for the team, and even worse for the player.

    The option was there, they took it. Close relationship with Saracens, so why not?

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.02.12 14:09:07 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 91) : I don’t understand his statement at all, compare Sharks squad with Bulls and Stormers and work out who has the more combined Senior Rugby caps and who has the most overall quality depth in each position, Sharks win it hands down.

    Just to Start Sharks have about 17 guys who have played or still play international Rugby(Include Barbarians games). Bulls have about 13 and Stormers have about 8-9. Step one complete- Sharks win. Step 2 to follow shortly.

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.02.12 14:09:58 by JJR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 98) :

    I wasn’t changing the discussion… I was applying the same logic to the Sharks situation.

    How are you with basic reasoning? :razz:

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.02.12 14:10:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 96) : You Can tell me that Kankowski isn’t on form and i can tell you ur comments don’t make much logical sense.

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.02.12 14:11:33 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 96) : paste that on your screen with a post-it.

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.02.12 14:11:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Time for my field test. later.

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.02.12 14:12:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 97) :

    They would’ve been alright with calling up Kleinhans during last years Super Rugby season? Don’t bullshit me :lol:

    And if we had those 3 out, we could still turn to Burger & Koster, or don’t they count anymore? Have they disappeared off the map?

    I think you’re confusing yourself bud.

  • Comment 105, posted at 13.02.12 14:12:55 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Let it be known.

    Sharks went 1 from 4 versus WP/Stormers last season.

    Only victory came by 2 points, against a very young WP team that featured players not included in the SR squad, like Hilton Lobberts, Rohan Kitshoff, Demetri Catrakilis, Pieter Louw, Adriaan Fondse & Conrad Jantjes (the latter two close to retirement).

    Nice to hear the Sharks players have significantly improved over such a short period of time though.

  • Comment 106, posted at 13.02.12 14:17:18 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Step 2- Current established Top Quality in each position, Sharks.

    1.Beast, Chadwick.
    2.Bissie, Burden, Cooper.
    3.Jannie, Herbst, Redlinghuys
    4.Sykes, Du Toit, Marais
    5.Skeate, Bresler, Hargreaves
    6.Keegan, Botes
    7.Alberts, Deysel
    8.Marcell, Kankowski
    9.Mcloed, Hoffmann,Reinach
    10.Lambie, Fred
    11.Mvovo, Sithole
    12.Bosman, Whitehead, Joubert
    13.Jpp, Jordaan, Mjekevu
    14.Ndungane, Ludik
    15. Viljoen, Prinsloo

    Province, i can only right down around 24 players that fall in the same category.

  • Comment 107, posted at 13.02.12 14:20:02 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 99) : haha. You’re trying to defend/justify the Brits call up?

  • Comment 108, posted at 13.02.12 14:22:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • Fight fight!!! :grin:

  • Comment 109, posted at 13.02.12 14:24:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 106) : We have a far superior record over The Bulls the last few years, yet still you rate them higher than us….Hhhhmmm strange how they have improved by losing some of the biggest names in SA Rugby, whilst The Sharks have brought in players like Whitehead, Springbok Joubert, Riaan Viljoen, Mjekevu and youngsters like P.Jordaan/Reinach/Du Toit coming through strongely. Strange aint it…

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.02.12 14:25:10 by JJR Reply
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  • @chucky (Comment 74) : I like Kleinhans and a few weeks back I was actually thinking this might be his season to apply pressure and replace Botes in the pecking order. However the selections of the 2 trial games suggest he’s dropped down the Sharks value chart.

  • Comment 111, posted at 13.02.12 14:25:31 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) : Shame, that call can’t be justified after he said Stormers have more depth than Sharks…Ha Ha, not a clever move.

  • Comment 112, posted at 13.02.12 14:26:12 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 107) :

    That’s because you see it from your perspective. You read things on SharksWorld and form an opinion about players, which quite often isn’t how things really are.

    I’d do something like this.

    1. Kitshoff, Carstens, Blaauw.
    2. Liebenberg, Fourie, Ntubeni.
    3. Harris, Malherbe.
    4. Elstadt, Roux, Lobberts.
    5. Bekker, Etzebeth, Steenkamp.
    6. Burger, Johannes, Kitshoff, Fenton-Wells.
    7. Vermeulen, Kolisi.
    8. Koster, Carr, Daniller.
    9. Duvenage, Schreuder, Groom, Conradie, Schroeder.
    10. Grant, van Aswegen, Francis, Swiel.
    11. Habana, van den Heever.
    12. de Villiers, van der Spuy, Brache.
    13. de Jongh, du Plessis, Klaasen.
    14. Aplon, Poolman, Mbovane.
    15. Pietersen, Steyl.

    I don’t believe them all to be ‘Top Quality’ (I wouldn’t use that word to describe them all), but by that criteria, I’d be getting rid of half the names you put down as well.

  • Comment 113, posted at 13.02.12 14:26:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 110) :

    I didn’t say they improved with the losing of their Springboks, I indicated that they recruited well and have brought through so many good youngster, which they head-hunted over the years, that they are again in a position where they’re going to challenge for the Super Rugby title.

    Watch and see…

  • Comment 114, posted at 13.02.12 14:28:58 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 113) : I think you need to take a deep breath, then check the URL of the site you’re commenting on. Then take another deep breath.

    Come on, bloke… it’s hardly rocket science.

  • Comment 115, posted at 13.02.12 14:29:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 108) :

    Why wouldn’t I?

    Sure, it’s led to a rule change. But they picked up a quality player that they thought could add value.

    When they do it is insignificant, considering he was part of the Stormers setup for a long time – and as I indicated, they have a strong relationship with Saracens.

    If it was due to a lack of depth, then the Sharks must be short at lock for offering Sykes a contract?

    You lot try convince yourselves that everybody else is in disarray while everything in Durban is hunky dory.

  • Comment 116, posted at 13.02.12 14:32:07 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 113) : On the same criteria as mine…Ntubeni No, Johannes Hell No, Fenton- Wells No, Daniller No, Groom No, Schreuder No, Swiel No, van der spuy No, Brache No, Du Plessis, Klaasen No, Mbovane(Not yet), Steyl No.

    You pretty much naming everyone in the system :lol: I’m talking about established team sheet 22 players, not players that came in thanks to a lack of depth and The Springboks being gone.

  • Comment 117, posted at 13.02.12 14:32:35 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 115) :

    Is there an issue with the argument? :mrgreen:

    When the Sharks fall flat this year, you’re going to need people like me to explain why.

    Some of these players just seem to have reputations that far exceed their playing abilities.

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.02.12 14:34:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 114) : All those youngsters are from The Sharks, and lots are youngsters that coudn’t quite make the cut in Durban…all those youngsters that were ahead of them are still and Durban and making Big Noises this pre-season.

    Which youngsters from the Bulls are you refering to? I would like to compare those youngsters with the ones at the Sharks.

  • Comment 119, posted at 13.02.12 14:35:28 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 116) : you clearly don’t read most of my articles :)

  • Comment 120, posted at 13.02.12 14:36:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 118) : haha… trust me, lad… it’s unlikely I’m going to need you to explain anything to me. Went around the block a few times while you were waiting to be born, I did :)

  • Comment 121, posted at 13.02.12 14:37:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 77) : Only thing that i agree with you is that Lions will finish stone last.

  • Comment 122, posted at 13.02.12 14:37:37 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 106) : I can relate to some of the points you’ve made above.

    I think despite our depth in certain possies even blindside and no.8, amongst the Sharks weaknesses going into this campaign are the question-marks over a genuine no.6 opensider. We were shown up badly against the Lions in 2 matches last season. They contested the ball on the ground very aggressively. So of concern is to me isn’t the no. of players we have to choose from, coz we do have lots with varying degrees of experience, it’s the BALANCE that I’m afraid we still might not have gotten right in the off-season.

    The Sharks are a team that are capable of beating any other in this compo home or away on a given Saturday but do we have the ingredients to be the most consistent or possibly the best team in the compo with this imbalance in the backrow, remains to be seen.

    I think JJR makes a good point in highlighting that we have better depth in our genuine collision ballcarrier dept but Province with the return of Vermuelen, with the option to play Elstadt in the backrow, might not necessarily have the numbers to call upon but may still have the heads up on us as far as balanced trios are concerned.

  • Comment 123, posted at 13.02.12 14:38:22 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : Tell him Rob :mrgreen:

  • Comment 124, posted at 13.02.12 14:38:51 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 117) :

    Ok, so let me see…

    Reinach is good enough, despite his limited experience playing senior rugby.

    Schreuder played SA U20, and he and Groom both have played CC & Super Rugby, yet they aren’t at the same level. Makes no sense pal.

    du Plessis makes a big impression during pre-season, similar to say… Jordaan? Yet he isn’t good enough…

    We can’t all be right about everything. I respect your opinion on some of these players…

    But heck, you rate a few of those Sharks players far too highly.

    It’ll be tough to understand what happened to them once they disappear off the radar.

  • Comment 125, posted at 13.02.12 14:38:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) :

    I didn’t mean it literally.

    Rather that it would be tough for a Sharks supporter to rubbish players he’s made out to be something really special. :mrgreen:

    As in I’ll try be a voice of reason.

    Know what I mean?

  • Comment 126, posted at 13.02.12 14:41:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 123) : Yes we short of established fetchers, the sooner Cloete and Franna get some experinece the better. Majola still needs more time to develop, Give him a year or 2.

    Though, we don’t have out and out fetchers i don’t think Province have either. Burger doesn’t fetch…so who does? We at least have Deysel and Bissie who are not far off the quality of Brussouw when it comes to stealing the ball…Bissie and Deysel also have other roles, so fetching isn’t their priority, but they bladdy good at it.

  • Comment 127, posted at 13.02.12 14:42:59 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 125) : Yes, Yes, my point is of players that have come in regardless of Springbok call ups and a lack of Depth, which Province has.

  • Comment 128, posted at 13.02.12 14:45:04 by JJR Reply
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  • The biggest problem for the Sharks will the lack of a ‘fetching’ 6, a ‘proven’ 13, possible depth at loosehead and Plumtree if he continues like last year……so no they’re not perfect in any way. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 129, posted at 13.02.12 14:45:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Reminds me of the Mjekevu story, which I attempted to stay out of.

    Look he doesn’t look like a bad player. He ran hard & into space.

    But at the same time he never showed great ball handling. His youtube highlight package consisted of him beating one tackler only to be brought down by the next.

    If he’d been left at the Lions, we’d all have said he was a bust for not being used by the them.

    Now that he’s playing for the Sharks, he’s a top notch player… with a few even hinting he should be given the starting centre jersey.

    I understand this is a Sharks supporters website, but it doesn’t mean I necessarily have to let that sort of thing slide :lol:

  • Comment 130, posted at 13.02.12 14:46:20 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 118) :
    You see, right there lies your problem. We won’t NEED you to explain anything.

    You obviously make the mistake of thinking that your own inflated opinion of your ‘insights’ is widely shared. :twisted:

    But hey, hats off for backing your calls right of the bat.

  • Comment 131, posted at 13.02.12 14:46:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 125) : Which players do i rate too high?

    Let me just end the Jordaan story…He Benches more than Beast In Top 3 fastest players in the Sharks squad. Fastest player at the SA Sevens last year, which included Mbovane, and Jordaan is still U/20!

  • Comment 132, posted at 13.02.12 14:47:27 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 67) : You forgot to mention Siseko Jafta who has if fit could be considered for SAU20 selection. I’d say out looe forward depth edges the Boys from Brokeback Table Mountain

  • Comment 133, posted at 13.02.12 14:48:04 by slammerboy Reply
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  • Well he is about 5kg off Beast or something; but he should catch up…only being U/20 and all.

  • Comment 134, posted at 13.02.12 14:48:50 by JJR Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 129) : Agreed.
    Untill we see Plumtree show commitment to change we`re still backs against the wall . . . even with the best depth of the SA sides.

  • Comment 135, posted at 13.02.12 14:48:51 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 125) : Boet id be worried about your flyhalf situation instead of harping on about everything else. Even Coetzee is struggling to back any of your available 10s.

  • Comment 136, posted at 13.02.12 14:49:19 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 127) :

    Brussow was surprisingly quiet on Saturday….he’s probably taking it easy so he doesn’t get injured.

    I don’t think the Cheetah’s will get anywhere this year even if Goosen stays fit. They have lost their 2 main playmakers in Sarel and Riaan. Goosen’s handling was very poor on Saturday.

  • Comment 137, posted at 13.02.12 14:49:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 133) : Oh Ja, ur right…i did forget :oops:

  • Comment 138, posted at 13.02.12 14:50:26 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 127) :

    Yeah no we are definitely short a fetcher.

    Before Brussow resigned with the Cheetahs, I said that whoever signed him (from the Sharks & Stormers) would win the conference in 2012. Unfortunately neither got their hands on him.

    The difference is we tend to hold off the rucks, seeing as it’s a heavily penalized area, and rather focus on defense around the fringes & wider out, something players like Schalk do extraordinarily well.

    If you’ve got any of the top-2, being Brussow or Pocock, they’re definitely irreplaceable. Otherwise I’d be wondering whether it’s even worth having a so-called ‘fetcher’, seeing as they aren’t overly effective.

  • Comment 139, posted at 13.02.12 14:52:33 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 137) : Yes, they were poor saturday, But Cheetahs are a different story at home, and when Juan Smith is fit and has a (C) next to his name. Also they didn’t have coenie, he provides a lot of go forward for the Cheetahs.

    I surprised how bad the Cheetahs played, Bulls were made to look better than they were. Will turn out good for The Sharks.

  • Comment 140, posted at 13.02.12 14:52:58 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 140) : Dont expect Juan to be back anytime soon. His achilles is shot and sadly it may not heal to 100%

  • Comment 141, posted at 13.02.12 14:54:17 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 139) : It really depends on how the Refs go at the breakdown…sometimes a Ref allows Brussouw and Pocock to take control of a game or they Blow them off the field.

  • Comment 142, posted at 13.02.12 14:54:43 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 132) :

    I think Jordaan is a good player… never said anything about him.

    It doesn’t matter. I’m not going to argue about every player, but I do think that you’re opinion on the depth of the Sharks compared to the Stormers is slightly off.

  • Comment 143, posted at 13.02.12 14:55:12 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 141) : That’s a pity, i thought he could prolong his career internationally and domestically with a move to 4.

  • Comment 144, posted at 13.02.12 14:56:19 by JJR Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 136) :

    We got by last year… thanks for the concern though.

  • Comment 145, posted at 13.02.12 14:57:02 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Guys guys guys… Slow down on Ol’ Hendrikkie!! Anyone who thinks Coenie is a great scrummager, obviously has no clue…why should we believe anything else he says, then!! :twisted:

  • Comment 146, posted at 13.02.12 14:57:51 by Ice Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 143) : I probably did overate a tad here and there; but in genral i believe The Sharks have a lot more QUALITY depth in each position, not just a player to fill the gap, but a player that can make an impact in senior rugby.

    Eg. Like Claasen and Daniller…don’t think they will make an impact.

  • Comment 147, posted at 13.02.12 14:58:13 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 146) :

    Hey hey!

    Never said Coenie is a great scrummager, but I do remember being told that Chadwick was going to break him in two… yet nothing like that happened.

    I rate Coenie as a rugby player. Show me another prop that gets around the field like that guy!

    Plus, how many scrums are there in a game! You hardly do anything off set-phase ball, so as long as you can retain the ball, why not Coenie? Guy is a freak.

  • Comment 148, posted at 13.02.12 15:00:40 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 146) : Who said Coenie was a great scrummager?

  • Comment 149, posted at 13.02.12 15:01:22 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 145) : not concerned just pointing out a fact. I must admit that you boys are showing a lot more depth at prop than in previous seasons. Signing Carstens was a good move. I like the look of Malherbe and Ginger Kitshoff. Hopefully we’ll see Ginger donning a SAU20 jersey in the JWC

  • Comment 150, posted at 13.02.12 15:01:39 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 148) : Chadwick was selected over him(Coenie) when Both were in the SA U/20′s.

  • Comment 151, posted at 13.02.12 15:02:21 by JJR Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 150) : Indeed, Malherbe and Kitshoff…very good young props 4 sure.

  • Comment 152, posted at 13.02.12 15:03:39 by JJR Reply
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  • Hey, not long to Pukke V Maties…Go Pukke!!!

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  • @JJR (Comment 140) :

    The one thing the Cheetah’s have improved on was defence. They looked a lot more solid on defence but did this stifle their attacking ability a bit?

  • Comment 154, posted at 13.02.12 15:04:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 153) : You’re going to be so quiet during that game :mrgreen:

  • Comment 155, posted at 13.02.12 15:07:10 by beet Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 154) : I’m not sure, they looked focussed on defending the whole game…maybe that was their intention…And heinrich didn’t attack any breakdowns…was very wierd.

  • Comment 156, posted at 13.02.12 15:07:39 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 151) :

    I’ll check up on that. Would be surprising :mrgreen:

  • Comment 157, posted at 13.02.12 15:07:44 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 152) : add Wickus Blaauw, JC Kritzinger and Brock ‘The Rock’ Harris

  • Comment 158, posted at 13.02.12 15:08:31 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 155) : I’m happy with the Pukke squad and the Blokes from Durban Like Mdaka and Jenkinson…jenks is so well behaved in class…not the same on the field.

  • Comment 159, posted at 13.02.12 15:09:16 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 151) :

    In the most important game of 2009 for the Baby Boks, I can’t even find Chadwick…

    http://www.irb.com/jwc/matches/match=10870/index.html

    Do I keep looking?

  • Comment 160, posted at 13.02.12 15:10:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 158) : Don’t rate those 3 unfortunately :smile:

  • Comment 161, posted at 13.02.12 15:11:35 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 148) : anyone weighing that much and can do the goose-two-step MUST be a freak! :lol:

  • Comment 162, posted at 13.02.12 15:12:24 by Ice Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 151) :

    So you lied to me…

    Chadwick never played SA U20.

    Can’t trust you anymore. :razz:

  • Comment 163, posted at 13.02.12 15:12:30 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Brok Harris not so bad.

    Considering the lack of quality tight-heads in SA, and the world actually.

    No such problem in Natal with Herbst being a future Springbok and all :lol:

  • Comment 164, posted at 13.02.12 15:14:09 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 151) : sorry mate but Chadwick didnt play for the SAU20 team. Redelinghuys did however play

  • Comment 165, posted at 13.02.12 15:15:28 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 160) : I’m useless at research, i just remember that Chadwick was starting and Coenie was on the bench.

  • Comment 166, posted at 13.02.12 15:15:31 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 162) :

    Led the 2011 SR tournament for clean steals as well… with 15. That doesn’t include ‘forced turn-overs’.

    Nobody else even made double figures.

  • Comment 167, posted at 13.02.12 15:16:10 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 153) : I was officially instructed to support Pukke…my niece is a first year @ Pukke..

  • Comment 168, posted at 13.02.12 15:16:52 by Ice Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 166) :

    Must’ve been a warm-up game.

    Mellett & Oosthuizen were the starting props.

    To be fair though, it was a joke back when Sauls was in charge. He had no idea.

  • Comment 169, posted at 13.02.12 15:17:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 163) : Don’t blame me read it on this Website…maybe Chadwick played in the last u/21 world Champs. Don’t know when that was.

    Doesn’t matter really, Chadwick can scrums and coenie can’t, Coenie is a great and effective ball carrier, whilst Chadwick is less well known for his ball carrying.

    Fair assessment.

  • Comment 170, posted at 13.02.12 15:18:07 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 167) : Coenie is up there with the best in the world when it comes to loosehead play; except for the most important, which is scrumming. But he is the probably the only prop in the world that can fetch really well.

  • Comment 171, posted at 13.02.12 15:19:50 by JJR Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 165) : Oops :oops: I read it on this site quite a while ago that he did…can’t remeber who posted it, though. Maybe i was thinking of SA Schools.

  • Comment 172, posted at 13.02.12 15:21:42 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 170) :

    Good ball-carrier yes, and carries it a lot, but I reckon it’s Coenie’s value on the defensive side of the ball that makes him so good.

    Regularly made double figures for tackles made during 2011 SR.

    If he’d been playing for a team that was winning more often, he’d have gotten a lot more credit.

  • Comment 173, posted at 13.02.12 15:21:53 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 173) : If Balie Swart can only take him and teach him how to scrum…he would be Bok 1st choice loosehead for the next World Cup.

  • Comment 174, posted at 13.02.12 15:23:48 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 166) : That was for the SA Schools

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 129) : ag we somme ask Keegan to fetch the cup at the end of the season, don’t need a proper fetcher to do that ;)

  • Comment 176, posted at 13.02.12 15:24:38 by Franshark Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 170) :

    It’s going to take me a while to get over it. :razz:

    No but I think you’re right, Chadwick was ahead of him at SA Schools – I think.

  • Comment 177, posted at 13.02.12 15:24:42 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 167) : and most penalties too, if I am not mistaken?..are those double figures too? :twisted:

  • Comment 178, posted at 13.02.12 15:25:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 174) :

    He will be soon. Ideal person for him to work with, IMO, would be Cobus Visagie.

    Even now I’d be backing him as an impact player at test level.

  • Comment 179, posted at 13.02.12 15:26:23 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 177) : I made a common mistake, it was a little while ago, i confused SA schools with U/20′s. Still makes the same point. And i can understand why he would’ve played U/20′s over Chadwick, because i think he played for The Cheetahs while he was still around 19 years old.

  • Comment 180, posted at 13.02.12 15:27:42 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 178) :

    Haha yes, he conceded A LOT of penalties.

    But something that will be corrected.

  • Comment 181, posted at 13.02.12 15:28:54 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 179) : Yes, for sure…just not more than 20 minutes, he gives away soo many penalties for illegal scrummaging.

  • Comment 182, posted at 13.02.12 15:29:10 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 168) : Does she like talking Rugby? If Yes, i want a name :lol:

  • Comment 183, posted at 13.02.12 15:30:11 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 180) :

    Be fair.

    It’s because he’s a better player then Chadwick, especially at that level where he wasn’t coming up against seasoned-professionals in the front row.

    Also he played tighthead.

    Chadwick actually missed out to Caylib Oosthuizen (Lions) & Morne Melllett.

  • Comment 184, posted at 13.02.12 15:31:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 176) :

    :cool:

  • Comment 185, posted at 13.02.12 15:32:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Anyone here actually watch that ‘Reguit Rugby’ thing?

    Soon as I heard the sound quality, and the length of the video, I turned it off.

    Plus the spamming made my blood boil.

  • Comment 186, posted at 13.02.12 15:34:08 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 184) : It depnds what you want, do want to give away penalties that put the whole team on the back foot, because it happening 50% of the scrums or a prop that can’t carry and steal as well, but never goes back in a scrum and doesn’t give away scrum penalties? In a Close Knockout game i would go Chadwick over Coenie everyday. Well most coaches would choose chadwick, i would actually choose Coenie because i like strong ball carriers and his fetching ability is amazing, though it could backfire badly. With Chadwick one knows what you gonna get, with coenie it’s a coin toss.

  • Comment 187, posted at 13.02.12 15:36:42 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 187) :

    Fair enough, entitled to your opinion :mrgreen:

    Anyway, anyone here keen for Fox Sports Fantasy Rugby?

    Takes up a lot less time then the one you lot play.

    Link is: http://superrugbyfantasy.
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    After that join the pool ‘keo.co.za’. The code is 150-3348.

  • Comment 188, posted at 13.02.12 15:43:00 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 188) : If you want a prop that’s not gonna stuff up pick Chadwick, if you want a prop that can dramatically win you a game or lose you a game, Choose Coenie…i would go for Coenie just because i’m young and i hate conservative “Old School” Rugby :smile:

  • Comment 189, posted at 13.02.12 15:46:11 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 188) :

    Also, if by some miracle one of you won it with a team full of Sharks players… yes, SA residents do qualify for the prize.

    Actually you can have a maximum of 4 Sharks players in your team. Sorry :razz:

  • Comment 190, posted at 13.02.12 15:46:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 188) : I think we hate Keo.co.za :smile:

  • Comment 191, posted at 13.02.12 15:47:10 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 189) :

    I’d go Coenie because I reckon experience is going to make him the best prop in the world. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 192, posted at 13.02.12 15:48:15 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 190) : Do u live in SA?

  • Comment 193, posted at 13.02.12 15:48:35 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 191) :

    Meh not many Keo people on there, it’s just what I named it.

    Can join my other group if you really wanted. 150-3339 That’s just me and friends, no Keo bloggers :lol:

  • Comment 194, posted at 13.02.12 15:50:39 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 186) : I did watch a piece… No comment…

  • Comment 195, posted at 13.02.12 15:50:57 by Franshark Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 193) :

    Nope Wellington.

  • Comment 196, posted at 13.02.12 15:51:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 192) : Fair enough…if Coenie was at The Sharks i would choose him over Chadders…i like flair, aggression and Big Bounces…reasons why Alberts, Deysel and Jordaan are my favourite players :smile:

  • Comment 197, posted at 13.02.12 15:51:31 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 196) : Oh…now everything makes sense ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 198, posted at 13.02.12 15:53:24 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 198) :

    How’s that? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 199, posted at 13.02.12 15:54:01 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 199) : It wouldn’t help me telling you, only guys on South African Soil understand ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 200, posted at 13.02.12 15:56:14 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 183) : she comes from a rugby-mad family, but don’t know if she is into it like her aunt! LOL! And she support the Bulls… :sad:

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  • Looking forward to the VC rugga this afternoon. Anyone know which games are being shown when on SuperSport?

  • Comment 202, posted at 13.02.12 15:58:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 200) :

    Maybe one day,

    When I’ve made a lot of money. Got a few small business ideas that need to get off the ground.

  • Comment 203, posted at 13.02.12 15:59:55 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 192) : best prop in the world? Can’t scrum for shit… next

  • Comment 204, posted at 13.02.12 16:00:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 201) : I reckon i could convert her, or just drive her crazy…like i have most Bulls supporters i have come across :lol: I pretty much only talk Rugby on Saturdays and on here anyway.

  • Comment 205, posted at 13.02.12 16:00:40 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 196) : Wellington NZ?

  • Comment 206, posted at 13.02.12 16:01:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 204) : Ha Ha…that was a good laugh in front of my comp…Rob is bladdy funny, even when he doesn’t intend to be :lol:

  • Comment 207, posted at 13.02.12 16:02:35 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 204) :

    Quick to tell us how good Herbst will be with age…

    Here is Coenie Oosthuizen, younger then Herbst, and you’re more then willing to write him off :roll:

    @Pokkel (Comment 206) :

    Yessir.

  • Comment 208, posted at 13.02.12 16:02:49 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 208) : I wouldn’t write off Coenie…he just needs to learn how to scrum and he will be awesome. I remember BJ Botha used to be pretty crap at scrumming and then in 2007 Superugby he Killed everyone in front of him. Also helps having solid locks, BTW.

  • Comment 209, posted at 13.02.12 16:06:31 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 209) :

    Think we’ll see a big improvement this season anyway.

  • Comment 210, posted at 13.02.12 16:09:24 by hendrikp Reply

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  • Nobody for Fantasy then?

  • Comment 211, posted at 13.02.12 16:09:57 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 210) : Knowing that he has a some what a fresh start with Heyneke Meyer…he will def. be working hard on his scrumming.

  • Comment 212, posted at 13.02.12 16:12:43 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 204) : Yikes!! U go boy!! :lol:

  • Comment 213, posted at 13.02.12 16:14:03 by Ice Reply
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  • Well my dad can beat up your dad! :evil:

    This is going to be an interesting Super Rugby season! (Up until the point we’re all sick of it anyway)

  • Comment 214, posted at 13.02.12 17:01:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 208) : Maybe becasue he was the most penalised prop in SR last season and majority of those were for scrum infringements.

  • Comment 215, posted at 13.02.12 17:03:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @chucky (Comment 2) :

    Great team so lets go and win the SR 2012

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 188) : piss off. Why would we want to join anything to do with the poison dwarf.

  • Comment 217, posted at 13.02.12 17:40:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 208) : are you just pretending to be thicker than you are? I certainly hope so…

    Herbst is a tighthead… Coenie is a loosehead. Looseheads are expected to do more in open play than tightheads. So comparing the two on that aspect is pointless. All props need to scrum, though… a prop who can’t scrum is like a rugby team without trophies… pointless. Herbst’s scrumming has never been called into question, Coenie’s has… like I said, can’t scrum for shit, so all the fancy running around starts to look like a very expensive luxury. CJ van der Linde Mk II…

  • Comment 218, posted at 13.02.12 17:41:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 217) : now now… I’m more annoyed with him than you are and I haven’t even told him to piss off :)

  • Comment 219, posted at 13.02.12 17:42:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 219) : :razz:

  • Comment 220, posted at 13.02.12 18:19:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 220) : you and I are just getting grumpier and older each year!

  • Comment 221, posted at 13.02.12 18:25:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 211) :

    It be silly to join a fanatsy league in which you in …what chance does one have against such asute rugby acumen …

  • Comment 222, posted at 13.02.12 18:39:52 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 222) : LOL… now now, mate, you’ll make me wet myself :)

  • Comment 223, posted at 13.02.12 18:49:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • a prop who can’t scrum is like a rugby team without trophies…

    Classice Robd …

    Hendrikp tell me again howz the cabinet looking at Newlands ..?

    You sure have alot of opnions on other teams players and depth Im yet to hear you tell me why Province/Stormers with ALL your STARS and DEPTH have not won nything in over a decade …

    Oh I forgot you support all the teams in a certain order…

    Its a shame such knowledge has been lost to New Zealand ..

  • Comment 224, posted at 13.02.12 18:52:30 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 224) : dude… I miss you horribly! Are you gonna be in Jozi over December, by any chance?

  • Comment 225, posted at 13.02.12 18:55:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Guys, guys, this whole Sharks vs Province debate is fun and all, but you’ll never reach consensus because the arguments regarding perceived player quality is SUBJECTIVE. If you want to reach a conclusion you need to argue the FACTS.

    So, the fact is, no team from Cape Town will ever win Super Rugby, just like no team from Sydney will ever win Super Rugby, because rugby is a man’s game, and men from those cities, how shall I put it, er… have too much sugar and spice and all things nice in their make up. After all, Duane Vermeulen, Cape Town’s so-called enforcer’s monthly highlights bill exceeds my salary.

    OK, case closed, thank you and good night.

  • Comment 226, posted at 13.02.12 19:19:04 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 226) :

    FACT : Schalk Britz is a loosie :-)

    @robdylan (Comment 225) :

    I may be …might even be in the UK in the next couple of months …just waiting for it to warm-up a bit.

  • Comment 227, posted at 13.02.12 20:03:03 by csb Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 226) : Kiss of death. Guaranteed against the odds its Stormers vs Tahs in the final this year. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 228, posted at 13.02.12 20:56:09 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 228) : Please please please let me not be responsible for *that*!! :shock:

  • Comment 229, posted at 13.02.12 21:09:09 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 229) : dude you need a hair brush

  • Comment 230, posted at 13.02.12 21:13:32 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 230) : Pffft, jealousy!

  • Comment 231, posted at 13.02.12 21:35:06 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @csb (Comment 227) : keep me posted, k? Would be awesome to have a drink or two

  • Comment 232, posted at 13.02.12 21:42:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 221) : Only when people try and take FACTS and change them into perceptions. :)

  • Comment 233, posted at 14.02.12 07:42:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 222) : :mrgreen: Bwhahahahaha.

  • Comment 234, posted at 14.02.12 07:48:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Please can someone get the new Bulls away jersey up so we can have some fun! :twisted:

  • Comment 235, posted at 14.02.12 08:21:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 235) : Haven’t seen it yet. On my phone so can’t get it up. :(

  • Comment 236, posted at 14.02.12 08:34:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 235) : where can i see it?

  • Comment 237, posted at 14.02.12 08:37:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 49) : are you a stormer supporter cause you just mentioned all the stormers loosies.

  • Comment 238, posted at 14.02.12 08:40:03 by MJ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 237) :

    If you dare there is a pic on Voldy.

  • Comment 239, posted at 14.02.12 08:43:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @MJ (Comment 238) : He is indeed!

  • Comment 240, posted at 14.02.12 08:43:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @MJ (Comment 238) : Please don’t get him started again? :)

  • Comment 241, posted at 14.02.12 08:49:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 77) : keep on dreaming mate, you sotrmer supporters say that every year.

  • Comment 242, posted at 14.02.12 08:50:16 by MJ Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 239) : I’ll wait thanks. :)

  • Comment 243, posted at 14.02.12 08:50:33 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 235) : It is actually better than their home kit, like the purple in it, welcome to the jacaranda city,

  • Comment 244, posted at 14.02.12 08:51:27 by BR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 243) : I e-mailed it to you as well.

  • Comment 245, posted at 14.02.12 08:52:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • another teams away kit looking better than their home kit, in SA only the cheetahs home kit is beter than the away.

  • Comment 246, posted at 14.02.12 08:54:52 by BR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 96) : and put a reminder on that.

  • Comment 247, posted at 14.02.12 08:56:38 by MJ Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 245) : Thanks. Just saw it on the sport24 FB feed and aired my opinion (which is not suitable for repulication on here) about the thing. :oops:

    KAK is a mild description of it.

  • Comment 248, posted at 14.02.12 09:04:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 248) : I just saw your comment…..naughty naughty naughty!! :twisted:

  • Comment 249, posted at 14.02.12 09:05:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 237) : bulls face book page

  • Comment 250, posted at 14.02.12 09:10:29 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 249) : I threw the hand grenade and ran. :wink:

  • Comment 251, posted at 14.02.12 09:11:05 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 231) :

    Eish…this is a family site! Get that selfportrait off Sharksworld.

    It’s the stuff of nightmares!

  • Comment 252, posted at 14.02.12 09:13:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!! i would disown my team if they played in a jersey like that

  • Comment 253, posted at 14.02.12 09:14:02 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 250) : They have a FB page? :shock: Hehehehehe I should have some fun reading that tonight. I need to remember to go look for that.

  • Comment 254, posted at 14.02.12 09:14:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Bulls-go-pink-for-away-strip-20120214

  • Comment 255, posted at 14.02.12 09:15:22 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • if i actually had any bulls friends i would tear the shit outta them! haha

  • Comment 256, posted at 14.02.12 09:17:43 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 186) : yeah its a load of crap.

  • Comment 257, posted at 14.02.12 09:47:08 by MJ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 254) : jy onthou Bloubloubul that shows his face on SW from time to time… You should have seen his face when he saw the shirt

  • Comment 258, posted at 14.02.12 09:47:31 by Franshark Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 191) : agree

  • Comment 259, posted at 14.02.12 09:49:22 by MJ Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 258) : hehehehehe….. :twisted:

  • Comment 260, posted at 14.02.12 09:55:23 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 252) : “…Get that selfportrait off Sharksworld. It’s the stuff of nightmares!” …says the inbred, halfwit, hillbilly hick… :twisted:

  • Comment 261, posted at 14.02.12 11:13:06 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 261) : yes – plenty irony there :)

  • Comment 262, posted at 14.02.12 11:18:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 261) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 263, posted at 14.02.12 11:34:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 258) : I can picture the phrase “Ag Nee F*k” being written all across his face. :)

  • Comment 264, posted at 14.02.12 11:41:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Franshark (Comment 258) : I would’ve paid good money to see that… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 265, posted at 14.02.12 11:44:57 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 7) : what is Timo Swiel up to this year? I assume he’s sticking around in WP. What a talent!

  • Comment 266, posted at 14.02.12 22:41:06 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 266) :

    He’s on the bench for WP vodacom cup side, i think they played as a curtainraiser to the Kings game this afternoon vs SWD. I agree he looks a really good talent, and it is great to see SA producing some players with attacking flair for a change.

  • Comment 267, posted at 14.02.12 22:53:07 by Pat Reply

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  • @Pat (Comment 267) : thanks for the info. I’ve tweeted a YouTube clip of his highlights and its generating some interest!

    I for one will be closely following his progress.

  • Comment 268, posted at 14.02.12 23:00:51 by slammerboy Reply
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