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Bulls take spoils in scrappy encounter


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Sharks, Super Rugby on 24 Feb 2012 at 20:56
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The Bulls have beaten the Sharks by 18 points to 13 in a match littered with errors from both sides.

The Sharks threatened to set the game alight with a thrilling display of running rugby in the last ten minutes, sparked mostly by the introduction of live wire Paul Jordaan to win his first cap. A cheeky breakout from Jordaan set up the only try of the match, scored by Jacques Botes after Lwazi Mvovo made much of the running, but with only seven minutes left in the game and the Sharks needing another try to draw level, time ran out on the visitors.

The first half was a dour affair where neither side managed any form of synergy or dominance. Missed penalties were the order of the day; ironically it was Riaan Viljoen’s monstrous 65 metre effort that came closest, while Pat Lambie and Morne Steyn missed two each. The Bulls were dominant upfront, with Juandre Kruger imperious in the air and also profiting regularly from Bismarck du Plessis’s wayward lineout work.

This dominance continued and was increased in the second half, where a combination of commitment at the breakdown and good kick-chasing from Bjorn Basson saw the home side dominate possession and territory. Poor discipline from the Sharks, with vice-captain du Plessis the main antagonist, saw no fewer than 5 kickable penalties go the way of Steyn, none of which he missed. Lambie managed to pull two back of his own, but when Steyn knocked over a drop to extend the lead to 18-6, the Sharks looked dead in the water.

That was before Jordaan’s brief cameo gave the fans a little bit of cheer – not to mention a bonus point – with perhaps just a glimmer of hope for the future of the campaign. Not that the black and white faithful will be too encouraged by this showing, though, with huge amounts of work to be done ahead of next week’s trip to Cape Town.

Scorers: Bulls 18 – Morne Steyn 5 penalties and a drop goal.
Sharks 13 – Jacques Botes try. Pat Lambie 2 penalties and a conversion.



134 Comments

  • What a shame, at least we got that game out of the system. Some inspiring stuff from the backline and Jacques Botes near the end. Also, Brosnihan is an infuriating dolt.

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.02.12 21:00:17 by MerckZ Reply
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  • What is going on with jp..I would of thought he would of sparked the backline..paul jordaan needs a start..potentially dangerous everytime he gets the ball..as much as we don’t like smashing it up with alberts n deysel we needed them tonite..

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.02.12 21:06:00 by shaniboi Reply
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  • Seems like the Sharks need to cut down on the penalties. Captain and Vice Captain giving away the bulk.

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.02.12 21:07:29 by lostfish Reply
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  • The Sharks didn’t play for the 1st 30 minutes of the 2nd half.

    Disappointing start. Too many penalties, too many errors. They were out thought by the Bulls who were simple yet effective (and mostly won without threatening at all).

    The Sharks will need to improve a great deal if this season is not to be another flop.

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.02.12 21:18:28 by siorc Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 3) : good point. Cappie and vice are the most indisciplined…

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.02.12 21:19:00 by siorc Reply

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  • surely not fair to blame the poor lineouts purely on Bissie! Bresler played 5 and therefore has to shoulder his share of the blame for that shambles. he gets a big FAIL from me I’m afraid

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.02.12 21:28:17 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 6) : With you. Never rated Sykes, and Bresler was a bit of a bunny tonight too.

    Bismark’s lack of discipline and poor set-piece work again reiterated Barney’s value as a hooker who got the basics right.

    Keegan was poor today, and Kanko didn’t feature. Given how well Coetzee played, those 2 are gonna have to compete for a position alongside him and Bismark. Keegan will probably play at 6, but he needs to step up!

    I thought the backs were good, except for Ludik and Fred. Viljoen wasn’t great, but he should start at 15 and fight it out with Ludik there – Sithole and Jordaan can fight out for wing with Odwa.

    All in all, I was very pleased with the enterprise shown. Not bad at all losing by 5 to a Bulls team playing their championship-winning gameplan – can only improve.

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.02.12 21:45:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • The Sharks have not moved on and learnt from the mistakes of last year’s Currie Cup Final. We lacked imagination on attack, there was no support for the ball carrier and no protection for whoever passed the ball from the base of the rucks.

    Bissie was a huge disappointment! I was worried about his lineouts at last year’s WC and he hasn’t corrected this. We lost lineouts at crucial times! He also seems to have lost his explosiveness. Maybe he’s bulked up too much but he catches the ball standing still and can’t even get into 1st gear before he’s tackled behind the gain-line. His discipline was also very poor! Hope that we start Burden against the Stormers and that he is still explosive and fast!

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.02.12 21:49:33 by ChrisS Reply
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  • dissapointing, we could have taken that. Lack of urgency, Mcleod needs to start at scrum my

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.02.12 21:50:31 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Line outs were poor, Lambie was poor, we missed a big ball carrier

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.02.12 21:53:09 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • lots of potential shown tho ;-)

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.02.12 21:55:22 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Today truly showed how important Alberts, Deysel and Beast are for our go forward…once our backs got some fast ball we saw what this backline can do.

    Whitehead and JPP, were very good under the circumstances today…Big thumbs up for them.I can’t help but think that having Du toit in our loose trio would’ve been really benificial…he’s a strong ball carrier, physical and stands at 2 metres and that def. would’ve helped since our lineouts were useless today.

    Scrums very solid…team must also make sure we do the hard yards first and secure good ball before we spread the ball wide…Our ball retention at ruck time was very poor, and it was similar to last season.

    I will be shouting for Canes 2morrow, and I believe Sharks must have this loose trio next week. 6.Keegs 7.Du Toit 8.Coetzee. BTW Keegan and Bissie def. did not set a good example tonight in discipline and in their performances.

    Bring on next week…man i hate having two difficult away games to start off the season…

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.02.12 22:01:38 by JJR Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 7) :

    ‘championship-winning gameplan ‘

    Its ingrained in them …and good for them cause it brings results ….The bulls seem to keep defying the evolution of rugby into a helter skelter basketball type game …

    My opnion of the first few games is that there is a massive shift towards defence ala Stormers and rely on break aways…or field position for attack.

    Thing is imo if a team gets the width type, fast ball short pass into gap gameplan well drilled and with solid combos that will break down the conservative gameplan eventually.

    Nothing can really be read into the opening game of the the season.

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.02.12 22:03:59 by csb Reply

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  • I was very impressed with Dale, they said he would be targetted at scrum time, instead of being bullied, he played the bully himself on a few occasions

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.02.12 22:23:46 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 14) : ya scrums were good, line outs weren’t tho

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.02.12 22:33:15 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Was that Jordaan or Whitehead who made the break that lead to the try?
    Alberts, Deysel and Beast would have made a huge difference.
    I would like to see Jordaan at 13 perhaps, well especially against the Bulls, and Jpp at wing.
    Changes I would make;
    A .Skeate in for Bresler
    B. When Alberts returns move Coetzee to 8, tempted to drop Keegan for Botes after tonight.
    C. Jordaan at 13 Jp to wing.

    The game was what I expected. Was pleased with Chadwick and my concerns swept away, still no Beast in the loose.

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.02.12 22:34:59 by Talent Reply
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  • Our fwd play seems outdated. They are reading us like a childs book. Kanko made some great hits and showed a bit of commitment, but Marcel must get a chance at 8 when the big boys are back.

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.02.12 22:39:52 by catfish Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 16) : I was impressed with JP at 13, he’s no Jaques Fourie, but hes miles ahead of Marius. I would be tempted to play Jordaan on the wing with Mvovo. The guys spread the ball nicely, esp to Mvovo

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.02.12 22:45:52 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • the bulls exposed the Sharks back 3 as being weak under the high ball, every restart they collected hougaard hoofed it up for kirchner, basson, ndungane to chase & they always profited or at least put the sharks under immense pressure to make mistakes = easy points for the bulls or favourable field position for the likes of francois venter to take it up repeatedly.

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.02.12 22:47:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • Didn’t see this thread! Here are my notes from Loftus:
    - I swear Loftus was minutes away from a stampede on the east side of the stadium with people trying to get in. Never seen it that bad. We must have been caught in human traffic jam for close to 20 minutes. It wasn’t great.
    - Both Ludik and Lambie look okay without being spectacular – I was surprised by some of the comments in the other thread regarding those two.
    - I really didn’t get the impression that Basson was that great in the air. Sure, he applied some pressure but lost more than he caught.
    - Scrums, rucks and lineouts all had their ups and downs.
    - Michalak’s service was a little slow but McLeod was doing the hand-waving thing again which got tired fast.
    - Whitehead butchered a few passes in promising positions. Seemed much more solid in the second-half but rarely spectacular. I’d like to see more of him at 12 – he did well for his first start.
    - Coetzee did some hard grafting all over the park. Hope it didn’t go unnoticed.
    - Like Viljoen at fullback. That boot really relieves pressure!
    - Like JPP at 13 – he just need to pass to his inside every now and then to mix it up a little.
    - Our defence looks promising.
    - Discipline cost us this game in my opinion. Bulls played a more intelligent game but their execution was poor. It was ours for the taking.
    - All in all – it was flashes of brilliance mixed with a lot of rustiness and probably nerves too.

    One final note – I was expecting a lot of jeering from Bulls fans after the whistle. Didn’t receive any – a lot of the fans looked a little stunned to be honest.

    (And as always – the SW bloggers were great!)

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.02.12 22:50:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : totally with you, but we have the skills. 1 of the commentators did mention the bulls spenr a lot of time practicing it. All in application and commitment though

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.02.12 22:55:28 by catfish Reply
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  • jp did well for his 1st outing @ 13, kept it simple most of the time keeping defences doubting & creating space for mvovo. He’ll need to improve his off-load game because that will set him apart even from a guy like jaque fourie who essentially has no off-load game.

    Whitehead had his hands full with francois venter barging in @ him from all angles – i’d like to see his tackle stats

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.02.12 22:57:30 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) :
    Nice insight there Megs. I also thought that while our centres didn’t get too much ball, they coped well on defence and did reasonably well on attack with what they got.

    I also thought JP brought some uncomplicated penetration to his channel – no fancy hands or innovative running lines just yet, but he showed his pace, power and guile on a few occasions.

    Also spot on regarding the Bulls killing our back 3. Moving Lambie to 15 was a concession on that. I thought experienced guys like Viljoen and Ludik would cope better, to be honest.

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.02.12 23:38:37 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Thanhs “my Bulls” – luv you guys & remember, slow starts make for great endings’i

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.02.12 00:26:25 by diablo Reply

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  • :twisted: My take is that we had the wrong game plan for the fielded team.
    The Sharks were supposed to attack via running fast paced flair yet we opted to barge over the advantage line in the middle of the field. The first half went okay. We were great in the scrums and had enough ball to attack with. But the momentum was stalled mostly because nobody could decide on what the game plan was. Freddie flopped the ball to whoever was closest to him and Bissie and the loose trio tried to barge it over the line. This caused the youngsters in the backline to try and spread the ball through skip passes. Because of our lack of cohesiveness the ball fell more on the deck than at a high school bowls game. We did okay in the line-outs and we could have dominated the bulls if we put on a bit more pressure. We should have expected the up-and-under game the Bulls brought, yet we kicked it back instead of running??
    The second half was better BUT Caplan had a huge introspect during the break and decided to see the breakdown in a new light. And 3 penalties had the Sharks in a state of confusion. Just the Sharks did not support their body weight at the breakdowns (mmmm…,) did not come from behind (Bissie & Daniels)and infringed at the scrum when the Bulls tumbled to the ground (after 3 dropped binds.)

    Do not underestimate the damage these poor decisions did to the Shark’s momentum. What should have been a series of good plays by our guys had suddenly turned into 9 points. I could read the confusion & frustration on the guy’s faces.

    The turn-around came about when Bressler and Freddie were replaced. The ball went to the backline and some flair was noticeable, yet with all the hoo-ha about our talent we lacked imagination to run lines.
    Even then our boys showed they have the potential to be brilliant and over shadowed the bulls. Coetzee played with heart and I never got the idea that the team was not there to win. The youngsters will settle and become confident, the team will become a unit and this team will be in the semis. :twisted:

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.02.12 00:34:08 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • who made the break tat led to the try? Was it jordaan or whitehead?

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.02.12 00:50:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Hendrik says Whitehead the rest of us say Jordaan.

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.02.12 04:50:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : Jordaan, of that I’m certain. Watched him very closely

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.02.12 05:33:15 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 12) : Agree with you. Guys, it was Whitehead who made that break that resulted in a try. Can’t believe that Coetzee is not a jr Bok, this guy is awesome. By far our best forward last night and the best loose forward in his age group in the country. Lambie was poor cause Freddie was poor. We need to up the tempo! The Bulls were tired in the last 10mins. I believe our fitness is very good and we need to use that to our advantage. Kanko is in trouble, he could see himself playing VC very soon. Coetzee (8th man) and Botes (loose forward on the bench) have shown their hands and the message is loud and clear – we are not playing VC this year.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.02.12 06:09:06 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Well, I had to catch a flight at the exact same time as the game, so looks lik i didn’t miss much.
    I just want to shout out a caution to the rugby supporters in Gauteng using the GAUTRAIN to get to Pretoria or Joeys. Guys, pre-load your Gautrain card with money. The queues were f****ng insane, the stations were a nightmare and I almost missed my flight. Pre-load your cards, guys, it’s the smart thing to do. Or you may just miss your game.

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.02.12 07:21:56 by CapeShark Reply
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  • “Not that the black and white faithful will be too encouraged by this showing..” Sharks supporters need to be realistic that we have several new faces in our team. A new centre combination and our most important player (Alberts) is injured. It’s going to take some time to gel. Luckily the new guys are all solid players. But I honestly can’t fathom why the papers were rating us as SA’s best hope. We’re in the same boat as the Bulls and Stormers. Even Stormers look more settled than us.

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.02.12 07:27:43 by CapeShark Reply
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  • I sincerely hope that this loss does not see Plum revert to conservative selections. I did not see the game, but by the sounds of it some of our key players were well off their best, and our discipline shocking, and yet we managed to get a bonus point at Loftus, and not concede a try. I’m not unhappy with that, given our new-look team. Whole scale changes are not what’s required at this stage.

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.02.12 07:34:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Imo Mcleod and Jordaan brought the spark we needed. But well done to the Bulls.

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.02.12 08:13:37 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Its just very disappointing that after all the pre-season hype they produce such a poor performance. Carry on like this and we could end in a bottom of the conference finish……and with the whole Kings issue happening, could have disastrous consequences for us.

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.02.12 08:27:42 by Stu Reply

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  • Well done to the Bulls. :(

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.02.12 08:37:49 by Ben Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 32) : Plum may have made bold selections, but we still played the conservative game! This team was far too pacey to play kick and tackle rugby! The few runs we had showed we should be doing that more! Spread the ball, up the pace, take the gaps!

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.02.12 08:38:49 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • On the up side guys, now we know exactly what to expect.
    This will prevent further disappointment down the line.
    Also it could have been a lot worse, Marius Jonker could`ve been the Ref and the bulls could`ve gotten bonus points!

    Further we learnt ( AGAIN ) that Bismarck is a penalty machine, we should maybe take a serious look at Burden?
    Lambie`s best position is fullback there`s nobody can deny this. But we can`t possibly accommodate him there.

    Oh one sobering thought, the bulls read SW, cause they indeed targeted Michalak as well as our lineouts, exactly like I predicted yesterday . . . :shock:

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.02.12 08:40:22 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • One thing I picked up last night, please tell me I wasn’t the only one, and thus am not insane, about 20 minutes from time the Bulls players were using every single restart to get some water in and splash the face, there was a lot of huffing and puffing! In contrast, most of the Sharks looked like they had only been playing for ten minutes! Plum’s emphasis on conditioning looks to be paying off

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.02.12 08:42:25 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 37) : I deny that. Lambie is a 10.

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.02.12 08:43:38 by Ben Reply

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  • @Stu (Comment 34) : LOL our biggest threat right now are the Cheetahs!
    Guess we should unite behind the Lions today :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.02.12 08:43:51 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : I agree, he had a bad game, but was fed bad ball!

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.02.12 08:46:41 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 40) : My motto in life, if the Sharks aren’t playing, back the team playing AGAINST the Cheetahs, and I will live my life by that, even if it is the Bulls playing them, hell, even if it’s Kaiser Chiefs!

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.02.12 08:48:23 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 42) : I feel that way about the bulls ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.02.12 08:52:28 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 41) : Yeah its a little harsh to judge him on 1 performance and say fb is his best position.

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.02.12 08:53:59 by Ben Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 43) : I do not like the Bulls, but most of my friends are Bulls (consequences of growing up in the inland provinces) I will mock them to the ends of the earth though

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.02.12 08:56:00 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 44) : Honestly, I would say he is equally great in the 10 or 15 jersey. What he is not, is a center!

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.02.12 08:58:03 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • We werent that bad (except line outs). We lost an away game and managed a losing bonus point. We will only get better. And this was the 1st game.

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.02.12 08:59:54 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 46) : Nah he doesn’t have enough pace to play fullback imo.

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.02.12 09:03:36 by Ben Reply

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  • @CapeShark (Comment 31) : I beg to differ, from what I saw in the last 10mins we are surely going to do well in this competition. We just need to up the tempo from the first minute. We need to give Whitehead and JPP time to gel. Lwazi was full of running and this is because the ball was being passed to him.

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.02.12 09:03:38 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 38) : also picked that up. As I said in my earlier comment, we need to use our fitness to our advantage and run teams off the ground. Had Mcleod started the game surely believe we would have had a comfortable win.

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.02.12 09:07:48 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 49) :
    Nice to see not only the pessimists about today.

    We showed great promise yesterday. Now we need to show great commitment and back this team through its learning curve!

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.02.12 09:08:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 28) : watched the recording..it was Whitehead.

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.02.12 09:13:56 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 37) : I’ll deny it.

    And targeting Michalak is just common sense – any player new to a position in SR will be targeted – especially a position as important as scrumhalf. Targeting the opposition team’s lineouts is just the Bull’s MO. Not sure why that is even worth mentioning?

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.02.12 09:14:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Another thing. Kanko to be dropped and lets play Marcell at 8!

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.02.12 09:14:24 by Ben Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) : Hear hear! :cool:

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.02.12 09:14:40 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) : I agree. As disappointed as I am the Sharks need to build on this performance. Freddie had a shocker and it made Lambie look bad. Also Daniel has been very disappointing.

    BTW was Spies even playing last night?

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.02.12 09:16:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 52) : for some reason I also think it was Whitehead

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.02.12 09:18:11 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : haha yup. Spies was playing like himself. My bulls friend who sat next to me at Loftus said he didn’t even know Spies was on the field. Had to tell him Spies was the guy with the headband.

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.02.12 09:19:22 by Ben Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) :
    Spies watched the game from the same bar Kanko was in.

    Its hard for any flyhalf, and consequentially, any backline, to play off bad ball.

    The Bulls were hurting us at the rucks, and a major reason that Bismark and Daniel had no impact there was that the T5 didn’t do a great job cleaning out the rucks. Our locks really contributed zero. :sad:

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.02.12 09:22:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 57) : Was Jordaan definitely.

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.02.12 09:24:24 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 59) : We should have started the game with Skeate imo.

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.02.12 09:24:48 by Ben Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : I heard his name once :twisted:

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.02.12 09:25:59 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Hehehe…the Bulls are going to struggle this year..crap game plan that was their best team bar WO. I’m really excited about our prospects this season. We missed Alberts, Beast and Deysel and were still able to dominate their pack at times. Even our scrums with 2 youngsters in the tight five dominated a Bulls tight five containing 4 Boks….

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.02.12 09:32:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Morning all! Never nice to lose at Loftus, but I am still not “unhappy” with the boys. Bresler was man-handled by the Bulls- I thought he did great considering. Although I might have started this game with Skeato. Bosman was SUPERB! A huge difference when he came on – the distribution between him and McLeod to the backline makes me excited for things to come! Yeah- I would have started with him at 12 and JPP at 13 – felt JPP did not vary his game enough…still need some time at 13. Hats off to Lambie! That guy has a very short term memory! After that hit, he got up, played as if nothing has happ ened, put a kick over and went in like a madmad possessed under the highball. Now seriously, most other players would have been somewhat rattled..not our Lambo! Give it to the boytjie, he has compsure! Thought our defence was gre at, our discipline (from senior players, cptain and vice) was POOR – ud expect that from Jannie!

    Well done to Chadwick! And he’s socks was pulled up! Literally!!

    Think its time for Kanko to have a rest and give Marcell that jersey. It is his position.

    Other than that, I think we must take from this game and build…I saw plenty of good to keep going at this rate.

    All in all it was a great time with the Sharksworlders as well! Thanks to all of you for gracing us with your presence!

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.02.12 09:35:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 64) : it was great to meat up, any chance we getting a refund since the Sharks loose the game ;)
    Was a very pleasant evening..
    Got to VBP just past 2 o’clock

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.02.12 09:43:16 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 64) : And thanks to you. I agree, 8 is Marcell’s best position.

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.02.12 09:43:29 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 64) : I know where your heart is on this one Icey, but you can’t tell me that Sykes played any better than Bresler.

    As good as Kruger was (let’s not downplay that) both out locks were very average. You do expect more from an experienced player capped at Bok level though.

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.02.12 09:45:13 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 65) : Glad you got there safely.

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.02.12 09:45:31 by Ben Reply

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  • Guys it was Whitehead who was everywhere and did all that good work in the last 15 minutes, Jordaan touched the ball twice. Whitehead was great, i do wanna see Jordaan in that 14 jersey next week, Stormers kicking game won’t come anywhere close to the quality the Bulls produced last night.

    My Team for next Week-

    1.Chadwick
    2.Bissie
    3.Jannie
    4.Sykes
    5.Bresler
    6.Keegan
    7.PS Du toit
    8.Coetzee
    9.Mcloed
    10.Lambie
    11.Mvovo
    12.Whitehead
    13.JPP
    14.Jordaan
    15.Viljoen

    16.Burden
    17.Herbst
    18.Cooper(bring him on and take off a tired lock which du toit can replace, Cooper can be put at 6, keegan 8 and then Coetzee 7)
    19.Botes (Great last night BTW, to come on for Keegan last 20 4 me)
    20.Fred
    21.Bosman
    22.Ndungane(If he comes on i would like to see it at 15)

    I want some go forward from the forwards against the Stormers next week, and a lot more aggression all round. Get Du toit in the loose trio and get him involved in the lineouts.

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.02.12 09:47:45 by JJR Reply
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  • The Sharks Report Card
    Dale Chadwick – B+ – Very impressive in the scrums, good in the loose, but still no Beast!
    Bismarck du Plessis – D- – Had a few solid runs, but lacks the explosiveness of last year, also gave away the game in penalties
    Jannie du Plessis – C – Did nothing wrong, but didn’t do anything right either. Found myself wondering if he was even on the field
    Steven Sykes – C – Same as Jannie
    Anton Bresler – D – His loose play was average, lineouts were poor, and his runs were predictable and powerless
    Keegan Daniel – C – For Captain. He had one or two good line breaks, but all in all, was average and gave away too many penalties
    Marcell Coetzee – B+ – Played his heart out, good running, strong in the tackles, he just needed more support
    Ryan Kankowski – C- – He had one good line break, which is all that keeps him above a D.

    Fred Michalak – D – Unimaginative, unimpressive, poor scrum feed, poor passing from the rucks, slow. Our weakest link in the backline
    Patrick Lambie – C+ – Unimpressive, but still solid, his kicking in the first half was less than desirable, but showed much improvement in the second (nerves?) he was also put under a lot of pressure by Michalak’s slow passes
    Lwazi Mvovo – A – Great running, great pace, and helped set up Botes’s try
    Tim Whitehead – B+ – Not the complete package yet, but a star of the future, didn’t do much wrong
    JP Pietersen – B – Was very good in his first game at 13. Kept the line running, good on defense, much to look forward to from him
    Louis Ludik – C – Good under the high ball, good pace, but nothing impressive, was under too much pressure from Basson to serve his purpose
    Riaan Viljoen – B – Very good first game for the Sharks, didn’t see much of him on attack, but his kicking was very good, and on defence he was the best of the backs

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.02.12 09:47:47 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 67) : Dude Bresler was man handled by the bulls forwards. Something you might not have noticed watching on the tele.

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.02.12 09:53:26 by Ben Reply

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  • I don’t care how; but i want to get cooper and Du toit in the 22 somehow…we need the aggresive ball carriers…last night it was just calling for a big aggresive guy to get us over the advantage line. Coetzee tried his best; but he can do everything. Bissie also needs to step it up. Lets hope the Stormers play an expansive game, open game…if so, The Sharks will be great next week, our backs are looking great.

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.02.12 09:57:43 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : And Chadwick was shoved and berated at any opportunity. Were you expecting anything less for a new tight forward?

    No different than what we gave new superstar and future Nobel prize-winner, Johan Goosen in his first game against us. That’s the way things are – one has to rise above it.

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.02.12 09:59:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 69) : like your team, have not seen Du Toit play, so that’s the only position I can’t comment on.

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.02.12 10:02:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 60) :

    To clarify it was Whitehead that made the break and not Jordaan …

    The confusion was made worse cause all 3 commentators kept saying it was Jordaan when infact it wasn’t.

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.02.12 10:02:36 by csb Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : please elaborate…was it off the ball stuff or just dominated at the collisions?

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.02.12 10:05:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Spies really was nowhere …as the Capt of the team he is gonna have to actually play whilst on the field.

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.02.12 10:05:34 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 77) : I still don’t understand they chose the Invisible Man over Chilli. Chilli was very industrious and has well-established captaincy credentials. Certainly out-played Bismark yesterday.

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.02.12 10:12:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 76) : Both. A lot of the ball. Really looked like it messed him up mentally. ??
    @Big Fish (Comment 73) : I think Skeate would have done much better.

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.02.12 10:13:04 by Ben Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 78) :

    I would have gone with Chill as Capt also …I actually thought that now that Spies is Capt that he’d raise his game where infact he managed to be even more ‘missing’.

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.02.12 10:20:38 by csb Reply

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  • I guess the game plan will follow the team selection. Well I certainly hope it will and that Plum and co does not go back to being boring.

    The senior guys should get it hammered into their heads that they do not only have to turn up for a game, they actually have to play it as well. I would start with Bismarck, drop him immediately until he are prepared to bring more than just his big head along.

    Then cut them down to size one by one if they do not get the message.

    I would use Fred as a full time rotational player where I need to rest others and explain his role to him as such.

    This team needs to get some game time, but quality game time. The Bulls was much hungrier than the Sharks, so while I can commend the training staff for the team’s fitness, they need to work on commitment.

    Not too bad Sharkies, it could have been MILES better though.

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.02.12 10:26:55 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 69) : not 3 hookers.

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.02.12 10:33:43 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 79) : It’s always difficult for a youngster in the tight five. Who was dishing out the punishmenet? We need the likes of Alberts and Deysel back…without these guys, teams like the Bulls will try to intimidate our youngsters with off the ball stuff. I give Bissie and Jannie full permission to ensure that this never happens again. Bressler will have to be more street wise and start giving some punishment.

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.02.12 10:41:17 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 81) : Imagine the penalty count if Bismarck started ahead of John Smit all of last season like most people wanted. :(

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.02.12 10:54:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 82) : That’s why i said cooper can come on at Loose forward. We need his strong ball carrying abilities.

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.02.12 10:57:27 by JJR Reply
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  • Yeah look i have no problem with the experiment. Plum tried Bresler which shows Plum has some b*lls. It was mostly Flip who man handled Bresler. It looks like he is trying to take over Bakkies’ role completely now. Just think Skeate would have handled it better.

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.02.12 10:57:54 by Ben Reply

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  • People should watch the game, again…most of the time when the commentator said Jordaan it was actually Whitehead…whitehead was amazing the last 15 minutes…he was all over the park, if he keeps playing like this i won’t be surprised to see him and JPP become a springbok centre partnership…i truly believe it can happen if the Bok centres are selected on form.

    Jordaan coming on, eventhough he didn’t get the ball too often lifted the intensity or changed the mindset of the team…which was good to see, hopefully he gets that 14 jersey against Stormers next week.

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.02.12 11:04:18 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 86) : We need to see Skeate back at 5 just for the sake of our lineout, and i also wanna see Du toit at 7, and Marcell at 8. Du toit brings more balance to our loose trio…our heaviest loose forward yesterday was Kankowski…that’s not good; the 114kg, 2m du toit will help with the ball carrying and the lineouts. I don’t care how young and inexperienced he is, if you good enough you can play.

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.02.12 11:06:53 by JJR Reply
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  • Yup Kanko needs to be dropped. Give Marcell a shot at 8.

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.02.12 11:15:21 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 86) : Agree on Skeate starting – especially after the last CC season, I was surprised he didn’t start.

    My point is, we didn’t see anything better from Sykes – and he was the senior partner.

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.02.12 11:17:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 89) : Plum has the nuts to start Bresler over Skeate; but not the nuts to totally drop someone who hasn’t a good game in ages? I really hope Plum wakes up and chooses the players that currently deserve their spot, not someone who deserved the spot 3 years ago.

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.02.12 11:18:21 by JJR Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 90) : Yup, not saying Sykes was great.

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.02.12 11:19:35 by Ben Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 91) : Agreed.

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.02.12 11:21:03 by Ben Reply

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  • Hey guys just a post containing a few thoughts regarding last night’s game.

    I think a large portion of the blame should fall on our captain and vice captains heads. They didn’t really show much in the way of leadership to pull our players out of the first half slum whereas the Bulls came out of the tunnel and immediately went on to score. Both gave away their share of penalties at the breakdown, which is inconceivable against the Bulls and in particular Morne Steyn, they should have known better. Another thing I noticed was that Keegan didn’t really know how to deal with the refs, which is to be expected with a green captain I guess.

    Plum expected them to test our back three, the selection of Ludick suggests so. In future when playing the Bulls I would like to see JPP on the wing, he’ll sort out the light weight Bulls wingers.

    The breakdown was a weak point that desperately needs attention.

    The only forwards worth a mention for the Sharks last night were Botes and Coetzee. I think it is a huge injustice, based on the way these guys performed last night (and from what I’ve heard of how they played in pre-season games) that one will likely be dropped to the bench and the other will be dropped out the match 22. I think it’s time to call out underperforming players –when Albert’s is fit I wouldn’t mind seeing a loose-forward combination of ;( 6.Botes 7.Alberts 8.Coetzee).

    Much work is needed on the set piece. Did anyone notice on our ball we went forward but on the Bulls ball we often regressed? Could this be to do with our loose forwards not pushing on defence but rather looking in field?

    In conclusion I think last night we didn’t adapt well enough to the game and the Bulls put us to the sword, punishing us for ill discipline and sloppy play.

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.02.12 11:44:59 by Talent Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) :
    You took the words out of my mouth :grin:

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.02.12 11:51:43 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : :lol: at the Spies remark!
    I have a feeling that both Spies and Daniel were feeling the HUGE responsiblity of taking over the captaincies from 2 hugely successful former captains.

  • Comment 96, posted at 25.02.12 11:56:55 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 94) : Agree, Keegs and Bissie did not really show much leadership and wern’t a calming influence either…they both gave away a few penalties…they should be setting an example to the rest of the team.

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.02.12 12:19:38 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 88) : which team was he playing for last year?

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.02.12 12:27:36 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 98) : Who du Toit?

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.02.12 12:33:50 by Ben Reply

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  • Told you guys Timmy is the real deal…

    Keep him at 12, he will get better and better.

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.02.12 12:56:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 100) : No you told us we got a better deal than the Bulls did with Sadie.

    You also said that JP at 13 was a bad idea.

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.02.12 13:56:04 by beet Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : @Morné (Comment 100) : Just watched the game again. Tim made the chip and chase that lead to that try. Jordaan was not directly involved – he was all over that backline move looking for work and ran a really good supporting line on Mvovo’s outside shoulder. He could have dotted down himself if Mvovo had seen him and offloadd.

    Easy enough to get the Tim and Paul confused though. They look very similar on the wide shot – Jordaan’s socks were pulled up though.

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.02.12 14:04:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 102) : Unsung heroes of that try – Lambie and Bosman. Lambie fielded the high ball, kept cool and even gained a few yards before going down. Bosman made two wonderful passes leading up to the try.

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.02.12 14:07:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 88) : The notion sounds good. 114kg player. A teenager can do a lot of good things on the field esp with the extra pace at that age but will rarely ever make a good big ball carrier. The strength just isn’t there yet. Add to this a lanky like 2m frame (or 1.98m in PSdT’s case)and it doesn’t generally fit the ideal profile of a player built to get a team go-forward at SR level.

    I agree that the Sharks need to think long and hard about Kanko tho. Certainly PSdT’s euthusiasm/willingness to be more involved in the contact zone – tackles, cleanouts, support even carrying in straight lines, makes it seem like he’d be a better value adder than an experienced player who goes AWOL for too long in matches nowadays.

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.02.12 14:07:09 by beet Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 101) :

    And I still believe that, not that we could really judge Sadie yesterday but I would think it is safe to say Whitehead came through his 1st game rather well?

    JPP is actually impressing me to no end at 13, said as much on Twitter. The Combo def got me excited – Fred at 9 is a weakpoint for you guys though at the moment.

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.02.12 14:08:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 105) : Whitehead also played scrummie on the second move that resulted in Botes dotting down.

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.02.12 14:12:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 99) : yes.

  • Comment 107, posted at 25.02.12 14:19:38 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 105) : I’ll probably be lambasted for this suggestion but I really wish we could turn Ludik into a scrummie. Judging from some of the comments in the other thread I think his efforts were underrated. He’s such an industrious and purpose-driven player and looked for work everywhere while he was on.

  • Comment 108, posted at 25.02.12 14:21:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 99) : yes.@Morné (Comment 100) : He’s always been a footballer that understands footy mate, everytime he got the ball you could see he was thinking. With time the team will understand him.

  • Comment 109, posted at 25.02.12 14:23:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 104) : to me everything you say there is the reason why Hargreaves hasn’t made it at this level yet.

    In short he hasn’t filled out enough to be an influential player at SR.

  • Comment 110, posted at 25.02.12 14:39:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • rugby supporters can never be happy……………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 111, posted at 25.02.12 14:47:10 by wow05 Reply

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  • This calls for a relook at Botes’ try. I’m pretty sure Jordaan was the main peanut. But I sincerely apologies if I’m wrong :twisted:

  • Comment 112, posted at 25.02.12 14:47:35 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 105) :
    Would love to hear your thought on JP at 13. I thought he added good penetration in a few runs – the fact that he has pace, power and a step means a defender can’t predict him (like with de Jongh), and he also showed great composure and vision on attack.

    Would have liked to see how he managed Sadie on defence, but he looked very disciplined and aware on defence too.

    Whitehead impressed me. I hadn’t been expecting too much from what little I saw of him before, but while he screwed up one try with a poorly executed pass, in that instance and others, he showed good awareness of space and runners. He could team up really well with a footballer like Pat and a runner like JP. I’m cautiously hopeful that I under-rated this guy.

  • Comment 113, posted at 25.02.12 14:53:56 by Big Fish Reply
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  • It was def Whitehead. He handled the ball 3 times in the move – the chip, the regather and as scrummy after MVovos run.

  • Comment 114, posted at 25.02.12 14:57:36 by Salmonoid Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 105) : Well put to say “Fred at 9″ coz we can’t rule out what a huge asset he’s capable of being at 10.

    I think all Sharks fans are on the brink of acknowledging that we have a serious problem at no.9. Personally I don’t hold out for formless Mcloed to be the solution, I’ve wished that Hoffman wud get an extended run and show us something other than getting injured regularly that wud justified us having signed him, I’ve held thumbs for the likeable Cobus Reinach to improve his overall play in the hopes that we’d then at least have a halfback with an x-factor. However none of it seems like its ever going to pan out in 2012.

    Now we have to all pray that Fred is the panado for this growing headache. If Fred doesn’t come off here, well it spells one thing for sure…the Sharks will not win SR this year coz as far as I can remember no team has ever lifted the trophy that’s had a barely adequate scrummy.

  • Comment 115, posted at 25.02.12 15:00:34 by beet Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 112) : Definitely Whitehead.

    @Salmonoid (Comment 114) : Both players had blue boots and the commentators didn’t help by mixing them up for the rest of the game. Whitehead’s socks were pulled up though.

  • Comment 116, posted at 25.02.12 15:01:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 110) : The NY Knick’s new point guard Jeremy Lin has been the talking point in the NBA for the last couple of weeks and an interesting story that aired on CNN was about an amateur sports statistician who predicted Lin’s rise to fame long before it happened merely by looking at the numbers Lin posted as a College player.

    Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately here in SA we aren’t stats mad like the Americans, otherwise analysing a player like Hargreaves wud have been much easier exercise. If one could have looked at American like stats comparing Hargreaves to say Albert vd Berg, perhaps we’d have a much better understanding of why he hasn’t kicked on and fulfilled the hopes of fans as well as repaying the faith shown in him by coaches over all these years.

    Maybe such stats would reveal that Albert was a more natural athlete, he was quicker, had more spring in his legs, had a longer reach, had better co-ords, covered more ground in 80m, was tougher and maybe even a better understanding of how to approach various situations/adapt on the rugby field. Albert certainly wud not have had the edge on Hargreaves in the weight stats.

    This is the longest way I could think of saying I think there is more to the reasons why Hargreaves hasn’t turned out to be a better rugby player like an Albert (or an Ant Boric), than his size.

    I think once the majority of fans do get to see Pieter-Steph play, they’ll immediately recognise the on-field attitude that has made him such an overnight success. Hargreaves struggles to emulate this. PS works extremely hard, he’s intense and just has this heart – it comes thru clear as day.

    Here’s that article about Lin if you’re interested:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/20/us/predicting-jeremy-lin-fame/index.html

  • Comment 117, posted at 25.02.12 15:30:08 by beet Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 107) : He played for the Sharks U19′s if I’m not mistaken.

  • Comment 118, posted at 25.02.12 16:10:47 by Ben Reply

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  • I would love to see the same team named for the stormers game except kango out and ps du toit in,play marcel at 8 and ps at 7

  • Comment 119, posted at 25.02.12 16:11:13 by juba_fan Reply

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  • I’m not a fan at all of playing Psdt in the backrow (7). We have enough dept in the loose forwards. Lets breed him into a world class lock. That’s what is lacking at the Sharks.

  • Comment 120, posted at 25.02.12 16:18:46 by Ben Reply

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  • Wander what Keegan and Bissie were saying under the posts after each penalty, “Don’t do what we are doing!”

    Kick and chase was always going to be threat, thought JP should have defended at wing to use his height, maybe Ludik then as center. However the Bulls had no options in our 22 cause they only got there with their kicking and not through breaking our defence.

    I think we payed the price for not having harder pre season games. However it is a long season so hopefully we peak at the right time.

  • Comment 121, posted at 25.02.12 16:33:25 by Gaff Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 104) : Well from what i have seen Du toit is one of the best guys i have seen at carrying ti up for a guy of his height and BMI…not his primary role; but i think whilst Deysel, Alberts are gone. Du toit would help give our loose trio more balnce and help in the lineouts.

    I prefer 6-Keegs/Botes 7.Du Toit 8.Coetzee more than i do 6.Keegs 7.Marcell and 8.Kanko.

    The real weak link in our loose forwards is for sure Kanko…he can’t perform if the tight five isn’t totally dominating, and even with a good scrum yesterday i didn’t see kanko do anything. I don’t see the hunger and will to perform from him.

    When Habana was in terrible form we could see how hard he was trying to get back into form, with Kanko i don’t see it…he needs to be dropped and hopefully that might change his attitude a bit, and will force him to fight for a spot in the team.

  • Comment 122, posted at 25.02.12 16:47:38 by JJR Reply
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  • Wasa defiantly whitehead who started that try, whitehead has blue boots and half socks, jordaan has blue boots an no socks. Kanko has lost it. Thort we where disgusting under the high ball an our discipline sucked. But at least we can only get better from here. Backline is looking good, give them time an they will be great

  • Comment 123, posted at 25.02.12 17:19:09 by scott6 Reply

     
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    Sorry folks I had to run out and could not respond to all the comments subsequent.

    But Fish I had to quickly respond to the JPP issue.

    I have no shame in saying I believe I got my initial call on him terrible wrong…

    I was very impressed with his play at 13 last night as I kept a specific eye out for him. He actually looked a natural which surprised me the most I reckon.

    If I never saw JP before and no one told me he was a wing, I would have thought he was one of the better 13′s in rugby given the first weekend’s play.

    I actually hope to see much more of him there – we might just have discovered a real talent there to fill Jaque’s shoes…

  • Comment 124, posted at 25.02.12 22:47:35 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 118) : no – went straight to u21s

  • Comment 125, posted at 25.02.12 23:08:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 124) :
    Thanks Morne – always good getting your views.

    To be honest, I kinda expected him to show promise here – in addition to his well-known speed, step and power, he is also devishlly hard to bring down and keeps the ball alive well – great skill for a 13.

  • Comment 126, posted at 25.02.12 23:30:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) : Oh, thanks Robbo.

  • Comment 127, posted at 26.02.12 09:28:55 by Ben Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 107) : So there you have it. PSdT played for the Sharks U21′s last year..

  • Comment 128, posted at 26.02.12 10:03:49 by Ben Reply

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  • T’was neither Whitehead nor Jordaan that made the try. T’was the FORWARD PASS.
    ;-)

  • Comment 129, posted at 27.02.12 01:57:11 by fyndraai Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 129) : see JJ Harmse called it a “blatante vorentoe aangee”..I have not watched it on tv..was is?

  • Comment 130, posted at 27.02.12 08:51:14 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 130) :

    It was I’m afraid.

  • Comment 131, posted at 27.02.12 08:54:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 131) :

    I wonder if BB Harse was as vociferous about that knock-on when his beloved cows won their 1st SR title?

  • Comment 132, posted at 27.02.12 09:09:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 131) : @Ice (Comment 130) : it was not a pass, more of a transfer then a pass, and the ball went less forward than the knock hougaard had at the base of an ruck

  • Comment 133, posted at 27.02.12 09:22:30 by Franshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 129) : Ha ha

  • Comment 134, posted at 27.02.12 09:23:34 by Franshark Reply
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