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Dries in hot water – updated


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Original Content, Super Rugby on 26 Feb 2012 at 10:31
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According to a SANZAR press release issued this morning, Cheetahs centre Andries Strauss has been cited for an alleged tip tackle during yesterday’s Super Rugby derby against the Lions.

Strauss was shown a yellow card during the match, for the incident in the 12th minute of the match which saw Lions lock Wikus van Heerden carried off. The tackle, in contravention of law 10.4 (j), also earned Strauss the competition’s first-ever white card, shown by referee Mark Lawrence to request that the citing commissioner review the incident after the match.

Footage of the incident will now be reviewed by SANZAR Judicial Officer Mike Heron prior to any censure being communicated.

Strauss has admitted via twitter that he’s “disgusted” with himself over the incident and acknowledged that poor discipline played a large part in his side losing a match that at one stage they seemed to be in control of. No further details are available as to the extent of van Heerden’s injuries, but we wish him well in his recovery.

Update: Seems the wheels of justice are turning much more swiftly these days. Strauss has pleaded guilty to the charge and has been banned for two weeks.



40 Comments

  • Wasn’t the first white card – there was one earlier in the Stormers game after a trip by one of the Hurricane locks.

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.02.12 11:00:14 by MysticShark Reply
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  • And on Friday during the Aussie game I think.

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.02.12 11:13:07 by LordHope Reply

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  • From some of the comment and the little bit that I saw I was expecting some citings to be made against Bekker, Liebenberg and Etsebeth, but here is still time for it to happen I suppose.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.02.12 11:26:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Good on Dries for being honest about the tackle ..

    Still should have been red ..plain and simple.

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.02.12 11:30:34 by csb Reply

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  • Any news on Wikus’ injury? Hope it’s nothing serious.

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.02.12 11:33:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @csb (Comment 4) : There is a very fine line between red and yellow cards with those sort of tackles. Personally I think a yellow card was sufficient.

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.02.12 11:35:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 5) :

    Concussion thats all …

    @Ben (Comment 6) :

    I agree its a matter of opnion I guess ..for me it was a straight red ..Iv seen it given for less ..Mark just didn’t have the balls to show red.

    I refer you to the Welsh semi-final …

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.02.12 11:39:15 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 4) : call me a synical old coot but I’d say. Good on Dries for realising the power of social networking and trying to use it to his advantage.

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.02.12 11:43:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Don’t know why I had him in my squad! Penalty points for that one. But I agree with csb, should’ve been red

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.02.12 11:48:46 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • He did not drive down with his shoulder,he pushed forward and lift the legs,so I think the yellow was the correct decision

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.02.12 11:58:04 by juba_fan Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 7) : Strange that he has a concussion. Looked like he fell more on his shoulder than anything else.

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.02.12 12:02:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @juba_fan (Comment 10) :

    Sorry but this driving down is just rubbish …once you lift a player its YOUR responsibility to bring him down safely regardless of a drive or just let go ..Strauus lifted him and then just left it for him to fall on his head and shoulder …its a red card imo.

    He most probably will get 2-3 week for it I reckon ..now had he got a red then perhaps it would only be a week suspension.

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.02.12 12:06:23 by csb Reply

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  • Im watching it now on pvr and he hit the deck with his shoulder and head together with a whip lash ..actually his elbow broke his fall.

    Anyhow it matters not for me now ..cause we won ..had we not I’d probably been more vocal about it …yellow it was. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.02.12 12:10:47 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 12) : Even if you think it’s rubbish. That’s what the rugby law’s state (if the commentators are to be believed). So that’s what the ref’s has to intemperate. Citing commissioner as well.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.02.12 12:11:29 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 14) :

    Point I was making is that its not just driving a player down into the ground …its also making sure you bring the player back down safely ..which is in the law.

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.02.12 12:21:01 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 15) : Point I’m making is if you don’t drive him into the ground it should be a yellow and not a red. That’s what the law states. Like I said, if the commentators are to be believed.

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.02.12 12:24:33 by Ben Reply
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  • The International Rugby Board (IRB) has ruled that a dangerous tackle of this type, sometimes also called a tip tackle, should be punished with a straight red card. An IRB memorandum on dangerous tackles from 8 June 2009 states: “At a subsequent IRB High Performance Referee Seminar at Lensbury referees were advised that for these types of tackles they were to start at red card as a sanction and work backwards.”[3]

    source wikipedia …

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.02.12 12:29:54 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 15) :
    @Ben (Comment 16) :
    The points you guys are making are both valid.

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.02.12 12:30:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 16) :

    Which commentators are you refering too ?

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.02.12 12:31:03 by csb Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 18) : :mrgreen:

    @csb (Comment 19) : I think it was Owen and Hugh. They said the law states that if you don’t drive the player into the ground it should be a yellow.

  • Comment 20, posted at 26.02.12 12:33:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 20) :

    I’ll see if I can get clarity on it ..going thru the irb site to try find it.

    So by that rational you can pick a guy up twist him upside down and if you just drop him on his head instead of driving him its just a yellow …

  • Comment 21, posted at 26.02.12 12:37:18 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 21) : Not sure hey. All I’m saying is if the commentators are correct you should not be blaming the ref. Rather blame the rugby board.

  • Comment 22, posted at 26.02.12 12:39:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :

    Dude come now ..I hardly take what Bladen and co say as gospel ..cause quite frankly our commentators talk alot of nonsense.

    I’m not blaming the ref of anything ..I just think he should have given a red card …but you make the point of the irb and lets face it there is a huge grey area when it comes to this and have over the years consistently shown to have less clue when it comes to the correct punishment.

  • Comment 23, posted at 26.02.12 12:43:25 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 23) : Lol, mate you said Mark didn’t have the balls to show a red.

  • Comment 24, posted at 26.02.12 12:45:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 16) : You can’t just quote the laws at will without actually going to look them up 1st.

  • Comment 25, posted at 26.02.12 12:45:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : and you believed them? :shock: :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 26.02.12 12:47:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Anyway as per the article above, Strauss has had a 2 week rest awarded to him.

  • Comment 27, posted at 26.02.12 12:50:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 24) :

    He didn’t ..no harm though …

    Are you arguing a point with me of what Bladen said ..cause he actually said it should have been red …

    Anyway this is going around in circles ..lets agree to disagree…

    Howz your feeling on Bosman ? ;-)

    The irb website is pants !

  • Comment 28, posted at 26.02.12 12:52:15 by csb Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 25) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) : Haha wasn’t quoting. Clearly said that if the commentators are to be believed. What does the law say? When is it a yellow and when is it a red?

  • Comment 29, posted at 26.02.12 12:54:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @csb (Comment 28) : It’s actually really good.

    Just go to the laws & regulations tab, click on laws of the game, click on english, click on the lawbook to download the WHOLE law book and then search for any term you wish in the law book.

  • Comment 30, posted at 26.02.12 12:57:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • This from SArugby referees webisite.

    The issue arose from a decision that at Craven Week a player guilty of a tip tackle receive an automatic red card. “Tip tackle” is a verbal shortcut to refer to a dangerous tackle, defined under Law 10 as: Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground first is dangerous play.

  • Comment 31, posted at 26.02.12 12:57:35 by csb Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) :

    Dude its Sunday ..Im in relax mode …that way to much effort .. :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 32, posted at 26.02.12 12:58:37 by csb Reply

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  • Law 10 as: Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground

    and / or …

  • Comment 33, posted at 26.02.12 12:59:56 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 28) : I’m still undecided on Bosman. He’s very inconsistent. Hope he has a great season.

    Don’t get me wrong. I dislike SA commentators a lot. Just saying that if they were right then Mark Lawrence weren’t in the wrong here. Mark Lawrence is my favourite ref. ;)

  • Comment 34, posted at 26.02.12 13:02:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 30) :

    Thanks downloading as we speak …figured it may come in handy as the season progresses …so atleast it can seem I know what I’m talking about .. :grin:

  • Comment 35, posted at 26.02.12 13:03:03 by csb Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 34) :

    Mine too ..helped us win the CC :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 26.02.12 13:04:30 by csb Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 36) : :twisted:

  • Comment 37, posted at 26.02.12 13:05:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : The law doesn’t say what the required sanction is other than it being a penalty.

    Go and look at Law 10.4 (j) to see what it says.

    “Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.
    Sanction: Penalty Kick”

    The Red and Yellow card requirements are not mandated by law those are interpretations that are allowed by the referee and are usually determined by a recommendation or instruction handed down through the heirachy.

  • Comment 38, posted at 26.02.12 13:08:01 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : Okay thanks. With that said. I still think a yellow card was the right decision.

  • Comment 39, posted at 26.02.12 13:12:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : This is quite an interesting definition coz a few weeks back Wayne Barnes cost Ireland the game against Wales when he pinged and yellow carded an Eire player for a tip tackle. All the ingredients were there except the tackled player’s 1 foot never seemed to leave the ground when the tackle was executed. This definition says: “feet are off the ground”

  • Comment 40, posted at 26.02.12 17:21:01 by beet Reply
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