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Alberts unlikely to make Cape Town trip


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 1 Mar 2012 at 08:08
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While reports earlier in the week suggested that Willem Alberts was likely to feature for the Sharks against the Stormers this weekend, it now seems as though he big man will be given an extra week to fully recover before making his return to Super Rugby.

John Plumtree, meanwhile, has identified a lack of physicality as one of the main reasons for his side’s failure to overcome a spirited, yet limited-looking, Bulls side at Loftus Versveld last Friday. Alberts would, of course, have been just the man to add a bit more of that to a pack missing a few big names, but with at least 14 more games to go after this one, the last things the Sharks can afford to gamble on is the possibility of the former Lion re-injuring his shoulder through being brought back too soon.

The coach went on to identify the lineout as a source of concern, with five throws going to the opposition last week on attack. With the Stormers pair of giants, Eben Etzebeth (2.03m) and Andries Bekker (2.08m) looming large this weekend, the Sharks will need to improve this set piece, and quickly, in order to avoid more of the same treatment. The coach may well look to Ross Skeate as a starting option this week, given that he is probably the best lineout forward currently in the squad.

Should Alberts indeed be ruled out (along with Ryan Kankowski who will miss the next month at least with a broken thumb) there’s a good chance that young Dalian Tera Mtembu could come into the squad for his first taste of Super Rugby.

We expect a team announcement later today; however, with Alberts and Odwa Ndungane still given an outside chance of playing, that side might contain a few pesky brackets as we await the result of late fitness tests.



36 Comments

  • hope alberts pulls thru, would make a huge difference coming off da bench in da last 20 to give us good go forward

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.03.12 08:26:17 by RuckingFun Reply
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  • Why not DuToit he was preferred to Terra in the trial matches and we really need his size to keep cheap shot Vermeulen honest :( without Alberts our pack looks so light even against the Stormers :cry:

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.03.12 08:28:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply
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  • If Plum himself said the lack of physicality was a problem, surely he cannot go with a looSe trio in Botes, Coettzee and Daniel @ 8th man as Beeld suggested yesterday…??

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.03.12 08:31:25 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : what option does he have?

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.03.12 08:33:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : I don`t see any other option for him right now. You can`t play rugby without the ball so Botes has to start.
    Coetzee selects himself so that leaves only Keegan . . . :?:

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.03.12 08:34:29 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I would start with a lock combo of Skeat and Sykes and a loose trio of Daniel, Coetzee and Pieter-Steph. The only change in the backs I would like to see is Freddie to the bench and Charl starting at scrummy. Charl just needs to stop that annoying Ruan Pienaar-like hand waving thing he does.Because when Charl is on form, there is no scrumhalf in SA that can provide faster service to his flyhalf.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.03.12 08:38:53 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Not many ans in experienced, but a few more, if he will bring in youngsters..

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.03.12 08:40:05 by Ice Reply
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  • @ comment 3,

    Ice, be careful what you say. Richard and Rob will not be too pleased :oops:

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.03.12 08:44:43 by dawj Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 7) :

    The unfortunate thing with playing Stef at flank is that, should he have a bad game, the fans will be shouting for him to be shot. Which is really unfair, as he is playing out of position.

    I don’t think Plum would risk something this weekend, especially not if he can afford to leave a semi fit Alberts at home.

    We should see Tera coming off the bench.

    Unless he goes completely left wing, which he won’t, and selects Burden on the flank. But again, a player out of position is not the answer here.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.03.12 09:12:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : sometimes I think Plum speaks a lot of rhetoric to the press and carries on regardless. Our line out has been a problem for the last two seasons and “it stops our game plan but we are working on it” same statetement for 2 seasons, and this season looks like its the same problem. I am very worried indeed

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.03.12 09:16:56 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • How is bringing in Tera gonna assist in our physicality?…our loose forwards are gonna be the lightest combination i have seen in a long time at The Sharks. If Alberts doesn’t make it Du toit is a must…if we don’t have one of Alberts/Du toit or preferably both this weekend…i really struggle to see how our forwards will be able to give the backs some solid front foot ball to work with, espeacially with a huge Stormers 2nd row to play against…will see what team is announced.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.03.12 09:29:05 by JJR Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 11) : Our CC lineouts improved a lot when Skeate was a consistent starter…he is the key to our lineout functioning well, me thinks :smile:

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.03.12 09:30:30 by JJR Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : I fully understand your statement! Its just frustrating as we have more “bulk” available!

    @dawj – Rich and Rob get my thinking “out of the box” antics! So no worries..

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.03.12 09:35:08 by Ice Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : Any news on Jean Deysel? When is he coming back?

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.03.12 09:36:50 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : I don’t think fans will treat him badly if he does happen to have a poor game first up…he’s young and as you said not his no.1 position, fans will understand that…fans never K@k on youngsters that deserve a shot…we crap on players who have been getting starts without deserving the starts…especially when there are players on the bench that are better…like Jacobs on the bench all the time and we keep seeing stef at 13…now that was messed up.

    Stef Du toit will do great…it is not like he has to make a lot of dicisions…he is gonna be carrying the ball up a lot, you don’t need experience for that…you either can do it or not…Like Kanko will never be able to get us over the advantage line consistently…naa mean? :smile:

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.03.12 09:43:13 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 14) : Indeed we have the Bulk and talent of Du toit…we must use it…man i hate when players are overlooked purely because they are inexperienced…most of the time it is the experienced players that let The Sharks down…Look at what young Lambie, Mvovo, Mcloed, etc were able to do in their first seasons…experience doesn’t always count that much…tight 5 is the only area where i believe players need to be tested against the best physically before they can play at their full potential. Loose forward is fine for Du Toit…Coetzee had a great debut season for The Sharks, Kolisi had a good CC last year for WP, etc.

    Du toit must be given a shot, asseblief Plum :smile:

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.03.12 09:47:11 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 17) :

    I agree, we desperately need to counter their lineout threat and their rolling maul. The only way to do this is to have a lineout option at the back, which we wont really have if Du Toit isnt selected, and a more bulkier 7 to help stop the rolling maul. The Stormers are giving Kolisi, Etzebeth and Kitshoff a shot and have Ntubeni, Malherbe and Carr on the bench all who are very young and I think we need to follow suit and play him. Furthermore if we want to play a bit more expansively we need to a tail option in the lineout as it gives the backline a fantastic opportunity to launch attacks from.

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.03.12 09:52:06 by Pat Reply

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  • Just a thought, maybe if plum is too scared to start Du toit this weekend….he could go for Bresler 7, Obviously Skeate takes his place at 5, Coetzee 8…which is the position i expect him to play this weekend and then have Jandre Marais on the bench…118kg, his weight can help…5-2 split on the bench and put du toit on the bench at least. Saturday is all about giving the backline some good ball and enough ball to attack with. If Sharks can at least just match the Stormers forwards i belive we will win it…our backline looks like it has a lot of cohesion and understanding this year….Stormers with Van Aswegan and JDV not passing….don’t see them getting aplon and Joe into spaces.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.03.12 09:56:42 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 13) : I agree but we are lacking a true enforcer I believe, Sykes just doesn’t cut it imho :( and I fullu agree with your comment #12, you took the words right out of my mouth.

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.03.12 09:59:12 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Pat (Comment 18) : Agree 100%…quality youngsters don’t let the teams down…it is often the most experienced players that under perform and can’t cope with the new, fast paced Rugby of today. Which youngsters have got debut’s at The Sharks and let us down…can’t think of any, Quality trumps a lack of experience anyday.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.03.12 10:00:10 by JJR Reply
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  • Good news and bad news really. Good that Alberts will not be risked with that shoulder too soon and bad news cause we damn well need a big strong ball carrier. Imperative now that Plum includes Du Toit. If we go with Keegan/Marcell/Botes we will be far, far too light weight. With their Locks and Loose Trio think we just may struggle. Such a damn pity we let Mostert go and for that matter Odongo. Anyhow what is done is done. We have some good youngsters and they need to get selected now rather than later.

    Plum do the right thing and bring in Du Toit.

    Go Sharks.

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.03.12 10:02:59 by Puma Reply

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  • :twisted: Hard to believe that only 2 weeks ago we felt our depth was great except in the prop division! The 2 youngsters really excelled up front. This settles the argument for bringing up youngsters but you would like to have a good couple of old heads to calm things down, should we trail early. I think that we are a bit of a panic as well. Daniel, Botes and Coetzee is a formidable trio if we decide to play an attacking game. Bisi and the 2 props can do short drives well and the drive and fall over the gain line should fade away soon as this seem to put the attacking team at a disadvantage(too many penalties) with the new rule.
    The 2 locks will have to play better than average though and maybe Pieter-Steph and Tera should be playing from the bench at various stages (to add some meat to counter the horrible, obstructive drive) where we were not good. I have not seen Pieter-Steph in full flight but from the commentary on this site, I summize he blows hot and cold? :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.03.12 10:03:34 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 20) : Sykes has done it in the past for us…but i havn’t seen the same aggression from him, but i feel that was because he was being over played…hopefully now he will pick it up, again. It also doesn’t help that Sykes didn’t have a full pre-season with the team…but still think we must back him at 4…once Du toit/Marais get more gametime they could take over next season. Hopefully we see old Sykes, again.

    On the lock subject i think Bresler works well off the bench…every time he has started he hasn’t been as effective compared with when he has 20 off the bench…i would rather have him go fullout for 20min than 60-70 percent for 60 minutes.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.03.12 10:05:20 by JJR Reply
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  • I think what Rob and Rich are trying to say here is that Plum probably won’t risk playing a man who hasn’t played at loose forward that much as opposed to a lad who’s a specialist loose forward and lets be honest now why would the Sharks need someone to bash it up when the game has broken up,think you might require game breakers like Terra in that situation

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.03.12 10:07:54 by Ludz Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 22) : That “light” loose trio only works if the tight 5 dominates…and still it will be difficult to get over the advantage line. The Stormers tight 5 will be difficult to push back this weekend.

    We need Coetzee at 8 and a 7 that ways at least 110-112kg…Du toit is a 114kg and a great lineout option at the back obviously. A light loose trio, especially with a tight five that is still trying to gel with a couple of new faces is not great. Everytime the Sharks have played a light loose trio in superugby we have struggled…i don’t want to see that happen, again.

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.03.12 10:10:18 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 11) : Absolutely agree, our loose trio with Keegan/Marcell/Botes will be far, far too light weight against the Stormers loosies. We will struggle I feel with that combo. I do hope Plum brings in Du Toit.

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.03.12 10:13:21 by Puma Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 24) : Game only becomes loose in the last 20; by then we could be far behind if we play a light loose trio that can’t really contribute in the lineouts aswell.

    If Plum selects a 7/8 combo that weighs less than around 216-218kg combined, i will be very surprised to see The Sharks backs get going and playing to their full potential on saturday.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.03.12 10:15:51 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 25) : That is what I said yesterday. We need Marcell at 8 – Du Toit at 7 and my preference would be Botes at 6.

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.03.12 10:16:54 by Puma Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 28) : has this new sensation Pieter-Steph du Toit even played Currie Cup? :?:

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.03.12 10:21:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 22) : Daniel and Botes have never worked for us together before :( and the Stormers have a very good Maul! That we have to try and stop with two guys under 100kgs :(

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.03.12 10:23:00 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Puma (Comment 28) : That would def. be a form loose trio with Alberts/Deysel not available.

    Still hope we see Alberts on the bench this weekend, obviously he has to be 100% ready for the contact…as Rob said, we can’t risk him at this early stage, but if his Shoulder is ready i say 20 min off the bench should be fine; but i’m no doctor ;-)

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.03.12 10:23:14 by JJR Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : Nee; but Coetzee came through just the same…made his debut in Superugby at a similar age to what Du toit is now. They have the same pedigree i believe.

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.03.12 10:24:41 by JJR Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 30) : Nee F…it Bra, dit gannie werk nie :smile: #Bakgat :lol:

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.03.12 10:26:57 by JJR Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 29) : no but Keegan and Bissie have and look how well that experience was for us last Friday :evil:

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.03.12 10:27:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 32) : @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 34) : so the popular suggestion is that he must be thrown straight into Super rugby because it worked with Marcel?

    ok, GO PSdT!! :lol:

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.03.12 10:36:07 by Megatron Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 33) : Daai “bra”…is ‘n Tannie…watch your language! :lol:

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.03.12 10:56:56 by Ice Reply
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