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Now this looks balanced…


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 5 Mar 2012 at 12:18
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I’ve dug up an interesting little statistic to throw in the faces of the “Sharks buy talent” brigade, just in time to nicely counter the earlier story about how the Stormers are finally backing their youth…

Since I wrote that story too, I guess it’s fine for me to challenge it! So here goes.

Anyone want to hazard a guess at how many out of the match 22′s that represented the Sharks in the last two games were “home grown”? I realise that’s a pretty loaded term, but in this case, I’m looking at players who have come the Academy and age group structures in Durban, without ever having represented another province at senior level. Bismarck du Plessis, by the way, narrowly misses out on this criterion because he apparently made the Cheetahs’ Currie Cup bench when he was about 16, but even without him, there are plenty of others.

Against the Bulls, 12 of the match 22 were Academy graduates and/or Sharks age group players, with the same number against the Stormers a week later (We lost Ryan Kankowski, but replaced him with Tera Mtembu). The Sharks team is, in other words, more than 50% composed of home-grown players at the moment.

Not bad, eh? There’s a very nice blend of youth and experience in the squad right now and I’m sure the good results can’t be far off…



23 Comments

  • So you buy them young, what’s your point! :mrgreen:

    And the Stormers had 17 ‘home grown’ players in their match 22.

    Only imports being Tiaan Liebenberg, Brok Harris, Duane Vermeulen, Bryan Habana & Gerhard van den Heever.

    That’s 75%.

    I’m guessing the Cheetahs would be even more.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.03.12 12:29:18 by hendrikp Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 1) :

    Wow okay, the Cheetahs only had 11 so called “home grown” players in their 22. To qualify meaning having played for the provinces U21 team at the very least.

    The rest are journeyman filling the gaps, after the Sharks signed the rest of their promising players coming through the age-groups :lol:

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.03.12 12:43:22 by hendrikp Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 1) : Do you realise that all your points scored last Saturday was via KZN born players. :razz:

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.03.12 12:45:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 3) : don’t introduce where people were born, the sharks might not survive that one :lol:

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.03.12 12:55:11 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 4) : This game doesnt apply to the Sharks, only to the icon, the be all and end all, the great breaders of talent of SA rugby, the mighty WP.

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.03.12 13:08:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I know Sharks will come right, i predict Sharks will gain 16-20 points in the next 6 Sharks matches. Could be more though, but i think that will be good to get between 16-20 points in the next 6 games.

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.03.12 13:23:23 by JJR Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 1) : WP can’t attract established players from other Unions to join them…nobody wants to leave a team only to go to WP…

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.03.12 13:24:54 by JJR Reply
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  • Not bad :cool:

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.03.12 13:32:14 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Quite frankly, I don’t give a continental shit about how many homegrowns Wp or any other team has…its irrelevant, what matter is the fact that they play for that province now..

    To me all my boys are Sharks..finish en klaar..we are in a pro era (have been for fricken YEARS) – get over it, provinces buy…simple as that. Tsk!

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.03.12 13:36:47 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 9) :

    Agreed Ys..

    If you are born in Pitsonderwater, go to school there, go to UCT and finish studying, only to end up working in Durban or Joburg, what the hell does it matter?

    Its a job for these guys, just like I am an accountant, I go where my job takes me, not where I want to live..

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.03.12 13:42:20 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 9) : Nearing kwaai tannie territory again, but I fully agree! Bismarck is a Shark! Willem is a Shark! Riaan is a Shark! Doesn’t matter where they were bought, loaned from, schooled, born, conceived. All that matters is that, when he pulls that jersey over his head, he is part of the team, part of the heritage of Sharks rugby!

    Same applies to WP, the Bulls, Lions and Cheeters!

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.03.12 13:49:40 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 9) : Yes, it is the name of the game, these guys are professional and can go play whereever they want to play…Sharks academy has developed some really good talent; but only the last 3 or so has the Academy truly developed youngsters that can play for The Sharks in superugby, and that can represent the boks in the future.

    It was simply just getting the best schoolboy’s to the academy, and not wasting time to develop guys that don’t have something that makes a player special(Dominant Size, strength, Talent, Speed, etc) and a level up from everyone else in their age group. The players that stand out and make themselves known. Soo many guys i know that went to the academy that played first team rugby for top schools; but never really had the qualities most of the time physically(Size/Speed/Strength) to make it big one day in Senior Rugby.
    This is obviously a bit less applicable to halfbacks; talent and skills comes first.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.03.12 13:58:45 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 12) : Mostly…the academy had some good years back in Muir’s day…then the talent slowed down a bit; but the last 2-3 years has been really good for the Academy…they bringing/attracting the right youngsters to the Academy now, soo much top class talent/potential to choose from now.

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.03.12 14:07:51 by JJR Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 11) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.03.12 14:12:58 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 9) : Agree totally Ice no one in their right mind will decide not to support a specific player just becos he’s from another province, we may not always agree with the players we buy but when he pulls the black and white over his head he’s a shark and we will support him as such, just as we expect him to give 100% for the Sharks

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.03.12 14:13:04 by SharkED Reply

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  • Yep; you go where the job takes you, many Academy players have gone to other teams, what I think is important, is the importance of academies across all unions, they have all done a fantastic job in general for the very good stock of talented kids coming through; and another – The Varisty Cup, what a gem, and think of the talent this competition has created. Love my team, but appreciate all good rugby. Bulls played beautiful rugby this weekend, great to see new faces and new generation players on the park, a tattooed little gremlin at scrumhalf, a goth looking rocker at flank – I love it. The star is burning bright for our young SOUTH AFRICAN talent. Salute!

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.03.12 14:22:12 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 16) : J.Potgieter, another Sharks academy guy :smile:

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.03.12 14:45:46 by JJR Reply
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  • Sounds like Deysel will be ready in about 3 weeks…pictures i have seen and friends have told me Deysel is looking in great physical condition and not only is he big, but they say he looks more athletic this year, in other words “Ripped”.

    Can’t wait for a 100% fit Deysel…he has not really recovered properly since he busted his knee against the Lions a while back…hope he can run freely now and be the “Bouncer” and ball stealer we all know he can be. When he was in peak form, the stats said he broke the tackle 40-50% of the time carrying it up…amazing!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.03.12 15:05:27 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 18) : :roll: :lol: and the hype begins.

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.03.12 15:53:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 19) : haha… just a sniff of a jockstrap and off he goes.

    I worry about this fascination JJ has with big, muscular boys… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.03.12 16:26:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Homegrown or not, nowadays the players follow the money trail and where they will get game time. It is no longer about loyalty to a union or a province or even a country. At the end of the day it’s the money.

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.03.12 16:28:14 by lostfish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 18) : I agree about hoping he’s back to 100%. He looked a little slow last year, especially during the CC Final!!

    He, Marcell and Alberts would make a very strong loose-trio!

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.03.12 16:41:54 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 9) : :twisted: Well said! It is a profession and we contract players. Nothing to do with where you were born, raised or educated. It’s only some old farty SSport commentators going on about “this lad and his dad from this pad” that feeds this mindset compost. “Those were the days my friend, we thought they never end…” :twisted:

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.03.12 09:43:35 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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