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Province (finally) realising the value of youth?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Stormers, Super Rugby, WP on 5 Mar 2012 at 08:45
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With a number of young players, including some very promising home-grown heavies, putting in big performances against the Sharks this weekend, Stormers (and WP) coach Alister Coetzee hopes to shortly announce the retention of most of his “young brigade” on senior contracts.

The Cape union has come under huge pressure in the recent past for failing to hold on to young talent, with most other teams in the country boasting more than a few WP age-group players in their ranks. The most recent high-profile losses included those of Tim Whitehead to the Sharks, and the trio of Johann Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and Lionel Cronje to the Bulls, although the trend is a long established one indeed. Decisions to invest in high-profile “marquee” signings like Jaque Fourie and Bryan Habana haven’t always come off for the Stormers, particularly when promising youth is lost as a direct result of these actions.

From that point of view, it is most promising to see how the gaps in their pack, especially, seem to be filling with able local youngsters who are being backed to deliver at senior level. Those wondering at the performances of props Steven Kitshoff and Frans Malherbe against older players in the Sharks set up should bear in mind that the Stormers backup both of those young men last year already and were not shy to call on them to start when required. Dale Chadwick and Wiehahn Herbst, in contrast, have hardly enjoyed the same treatment and boast a paltry number of Super Rugby minutes between them, despite being part of the Sharks squad for some years.

Province, in fact, even looks like it may start to rival the Bulls as the country’s premier nursery of second-row talent too, with last year’s find Rynard Elstadt already supplanted by young Eben Etzebeth, making great strides at a young age. Along with Kitshoff, Malherbe and Siya Kolisi, Etzebeth is sure to be offered a long contract extension and the Stormers are expecting to make some announcements in this regard in the next week or two, according to their coach.



91 Comments

  • FYI, Elstadt is injured.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if he were to take over from Etzebeth when he returns. Not sure what the solution is really, with Etzebeth doing nothing to warrant losing his position, but could end up having to fight to try win it back against the very impressive Etzebeth.

    Andries hasn’t been playing every single minute of every match either which has been good to see.

  • Comment 1, posted at 05.03.12 08:59:18 by hendrikp Reply
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  • Stormers to build an empire around that tight five..

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.03.12 09:02:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Injuries have played a big part in these guys getting their chances but they’ve taken them with both hands and refused to give up their jerseys to the senior players without a fight!
    Koster is going to be supplanted by Kolisi when Burger gets back and the tussle between Elstadt and Etsebeth is going to be HUGE!!!

    Those 2 will be our Bok enforcers for the next 9-10 years…much like the Bakkies-Danie situation at the Bulls and for the Boks!

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.03.12 09:05:29 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 3) :

    Slight change of subject…

    I’m starting to agree that Goosen may need some more time to develop. Decision making in control territory is poor. He can learn a lot from Morne Steyn.

    And also he needs to pack on some muscle, because at the moment he is getting manhandled.

    If he continues having a good season, I wouldn’t be against still including him in a Bok squad, because he best compliments the almost guaranteed Springbok 10 Morne Steyn, and would then work with players and coaches that can best help him develop.

    Depends on the rest of his performances, and if Meyer is willing to work with him really..

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.03.12 09:21:21 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 4) : players are not to be developed at the Boks, they must develop at their unions and go to the Boks to deliver. they can be picked if the coach has plans for them in the future to attend camp, to watch anfd learn but when the serious business start then they have to go back to go back to their unions.

    england have the Saxons, Aus have Australia A etc..

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.03.12 09:42:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 4) : I agree! He’s still young though and has a few years to pack on the muscle and develop. That’s why I REALLY want us to have an SA A Team for fringe players to develop and learn from the senior Bok team.

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.03.12 09:45:01 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 4) : Just made a BIG diary entry today, the day Hendrik toned down his Goosen promotional campaign :mr green:

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.03.12 09:46:25 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 5) : And we have the Emerging Springboks (a name I find somewhat degrading)

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.03.12 09:46:44 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 5) : Read the article I wrote last week about the Bok A Team.

    I want a second tier Rugby Championship where the A Teams of the countries play warm up games for the senior teams and tour with them. This will help in case of injuries, will allow exposure of fringe players to the Bok gameplan and give the fringe players experience through playing together and against better opposition.

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.03.12 09:47:09 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 7) : and he just added yet another set of reverse gears to his bike…

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.03.12 09:47:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 8) : The Emerging Boks don’t play often enough and they didn’t include capped players when they played against the Lions in 2009.

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.03.12 09:48:20 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 8) : @Megatron (Comment 5) : @hendrikp (Comment 4) :

    Read “Too Many Players, Too Few Positions” from last week.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.03.12 09:50:12 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 5) :

    Yawn.

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.03.12 09:52:05 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Actually, I appreciate him being able to acknowledge that a previous opinion may have been wrong or premature. And generally he offers justification for his strongly- held opinions, even if they ruffle some feathers…

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.03.12 09:57:14 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) :

    Difference between me and you lot is, I’m not putting Goosen down simply because I want Lambie to be the Springbok 10.

    Majority on this blog will find fault in every other flyhalf just to further their cause.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.03.12 09:57:14 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 15) : I think that they all bring something different to the table and I’ll reserve my judgements until after the Super XV has concluded.

    My leading contenders for Bok 10 are (in no particular order):

    Peter Grant
    Elton Jantjies
    Pat Lambie
    Johann Goosen

    Morne Steyn has impressed with his goal and tactical kicking but I’m worried about his defence and lack of a running game!

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.03.12 10:03:49 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 15) :

    Personally, I think Lambie is the fourth, maybe even fifth best flyhalf in the country at the moment..

    He needs to improve his game if he wants to make the Bok team this year.

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.03.12 10:04:31 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) :

    I would personally definitely have him there, but I’m not sure where Heyneke can or will fit him in, except possibly the bench.

    Not playing fullback, and not having been the greatest attacking fullback either, will count against him, and his kicking game definitely won’t net him the 10 jersey.

    Glad at least one Sharks supporters can put the blinkers aside for a minute :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.03.12 10:06:36 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 17) : Who do you rate above Lambie at the moment?

    Do you think he should revert to 15?

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.03.12 10:14:22 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 18) :

    What gave you the idea I am a Sharks supporter?

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.03.12 10:14:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 15) :
    The difference between “this lot” and you is that we don’t have an over-inflated sense of our rugby knowledge.

    You’re not the first person to be wrong in an assessment – try to deal with it with humility.

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.03.12 10:15:29 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 21) :

    :lol:

    What a load of rubbish. Never claimed to know better, merely argued my point.

    If that upsets you, then so be it.

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.03.12 10:29:41 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) :

    I guess I just assumed :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.03.12 10:31:55 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 15) :

    Respect dude . Look Goosen has potential . i wont spend one second arguing about that . But he needs to do a bit of developing and learning at this level .

    painful as it is to admit .. im thinking ATM Morne is the best fly halve in SA ..

    Elton is doing pretty well ATM . im hoping he can keep it up . Wouldent mind if he maybe egts a game against Argentina in the Championship Cup . But if things continue like they have morne should be Bok 10 ..

    Scrummie is a bit of a worry for me . Do you think with FDP will be able to keep up with international rugby pace with him not playing SR ?

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.03.12 10:41:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 23) :

    Hey it’s been while bro i was sad for Goosen on saturday.The Bulls exposed him he has alot of work to do like many young 10′s out there he has immense talent i rate him he is very exciting but he can learn a thing or two from Morne Steyn.
    I still have faith and belief in the kid to be our answer at 10 for the boks.

    In my honest opinion those young stormers forwards will sign new contracts soon i doubt WP will let them go that easy.

    Unlike J-J and Sadie it will take something special to poach :mrgreen: Etsebeth,Malherbe,Kitsoff,Kolisi,Carr and co.

    Wp supporters have no reason to worry it was a smart move to offer those youngsters game time they are going nowhere. ;-)

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.03.12 10:42:26 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) :

    wait … what ? :shock:

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.03.12 10:42:42 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 24) :

    I think Fourie du Preez is the best scrumhalf in the world…

    Even if not at his best, he’s still our best option.

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.03.12 10:45:03 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ludz and Diablo concerning the bulls win on saturday i think we must not get over excited sure we looked good BUT the blues will be the real test. ;-)

    Questions will be asked about our BMT and Depth it’s round two anything can happen remember we still have to tour away with our Pink :mrgreen: jersey also play the sharks,lions and stormers away.

    This race is not over by a long shot.

    It’s how you finish and not how you start ;-) like Naas said the currie cup is not won in August.

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.03.12 10:48:41 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 25) :

    Whats up my man !!! Bulls looking good so far !! Think it will take some stopping for them to not go all the way .

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.03.12 10:48:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • :?: :?: So what, according to everyone here, is the pecking order for flyhalves in SA when it comes to selection for the Boks??

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.03.12 10:59:33 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 28) : I’ve been tipping Juandre Kruger for Bok selection since 2009 so I think this year is his year!!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.03.12 11:01:20 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 30) :

    1 Morne Steyn
    2 Patrick Lambie
    3 Johan Goosen
    4 Elton Jantjies

    Well that’s mine.

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.03.12 11:01:39 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 29) : Hey man yea been busy with work i’m not over optimistic it’s only round two.

    To be honest with you i did not expect us to be at the top i am impressed with the way the youngsters and senior players have played so far.

    It’s all about hunger,hard work and team work.The blues will be a hard match we will be tested.

    Anything can happen Pierre and Frans will have to keep the guys grounded and not over excited.

    It’s a marathon but i am sure Ludeke will take 9 points for now.

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.03.12 11:06:14 by Muzi Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 31) : Hey bro yea Meyer saw something special about Juandre he could have easily been a Pommy.

    He had to be patient now it’s his time to shine he is in great form.

    He is your modern day lock,athletic,quick,great in the line out and he does alot of hard work in the rucks.

    I hope he stays injury free him,Bekker and Etsebeth should be our locks in the bok team.

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.03.12 11:11:21 by Muzi Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 32) : I’m still not sure about Morne’s defence and his running game. If he shows a marked improvement on those then I’d have no problem with him starting.

    We need him to work with the other 3 and Peter Grant on their kicking for posts and out of hand!

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.03.12 11:12:30 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 30) :

    if we have to play a test tomorrow .

    1 Morne Steyn
    2 Elton Jantjies
    3 Patrick Lambie
    4 Johan Goosen

    thats on current form . i think Lambie should be ahead of Elton Because he is more experienced .

    But wouldent mind seeing Elton have a test run against Argentina or so .

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.03.12 11:13:36 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 34) : Add Elstadt as the other enforcer and those are the 4 locks to take us forward!

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.03.12 11:13:48 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 36) : I’d love them to have a flyhalf academy of sorts with Naas, Braam, Honiball and Stransky overseeing aspects such as defence, tactical kicking, passing and goal-kicking.

    The Aussies had a front-row academy last year for all super rugby players as well as age-group players.

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.03.12 11:16:08 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 34) : @ChrisS (Comment 37) : Throw Mostert and Flip in there too and we’re looking pretty good :grin:

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.03.12 11:16:57 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 37) : I totally agree with you i spoke to a bulls agent well a scout :mrgreen: he did mention the rising star Pieter Steph Du Toit as one to watch in the future.

    I may sound crazy but the sharks sould really really have a hard look into the Marai’s Brothers and Steph all three are good young locks they will not let the team down.

    Do not be surprised if the bulls are looking at hose 3 players. ;-)

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.03.12 11:19:34 by Muzi Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 39) : I kinda have a klein issue with Flips discipline he played well but boy oh boy he gives alot of silly penalties.

    Schoolboy silly mistakes :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.03.12 11:21:40 by Muzi Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 31) :

    Should be. Would be very surprised if he isn’t understudy to Bekker.

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.03.12 11:29:51 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 40) : @Muzi (Comment 41) : Please don’t take those 3!!! They are our future! I really want Plum to give them a few games during this Super XV so that they’re encouraged to stay at the Sharks!!

    Flip’s discipline is an issue! He’s like Bissie, a good player but a liability in terms of penalties!

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.03.12 11:32:06 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 42) : He has to be! High workrate, good defence, carries well and is a machine in the lineouts!!!

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.03.12 11:34:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 43) : The key word is game time the bulls are thin at lock we would gladly take one of those 3 young locks not because we are greedy :mrgreen: BUT short of a quality 4th choice lock.

    I know for a fact we are looking for another enforcer at lock.

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.03.12 11:40:07 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 45) : Welcome back Muzi! :mrgreen:

    Tell me. To which Easter rugby festival will you be going to?

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.03.12 11:44:10 by Ben Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 45) : I hear you there! You’ll be getting Fudge back soon but he, Steenkamp and Kruger are all 5′s with Flip as the only enforcer.

    I can see us losing one of those 3 to you in the near future…probably Jandre or PSD!

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.03.12 11:45:29 by ChrisS Reply
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  • I really rate PSD he would look great in a bulls jersey :mrgreen: i am just surprised Plum has not played him yet.

    We are desperate maybe Quin Roux from WP is available.

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.03.12 11:49:03 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 46) : Hey man was busy with admin and abit of work ;-) come join me at KES and St Johns. ;-)

    St Stithians is not that great the atmosphere is a bore :mrgreen:

    At KES and St Johns you will find Beer Tents,Ladies,Scouts alles ;-) ,Live Super 15 matches.

    Plus both schools are very close to each other i just walk across the road.

    Promises to be a great weekend.

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.03.12 11:53:43 by Muzi Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 48) :

    Interesting to see that Roux has been relegated to the Vodacom Cup squad. Didn’t get a look in for the warm-ups or anything.

    Really hope they use Etzebeth as a dual-lock… You don’t ‘have’ to have a roaming type like Andries, and Etzebeth can be a good line-out lock also. Give him a shot in the 5 jersey when there is an opportunity to do so!!!

    Besides, at the moment the Stormers don’t use their line-outs nearly as well as they should. They’ve got a tall loose-trio, yet throw the majority of the balls to Andries Bekker. Crazy. Should be making more use of jumpers at the back.

    So far only 3 players have taken a line-out for the Stormers.

    Andries Bekker leads with 16.
    Duane Vermeulen in second with 6.
    And 3rd is De Kock Steenkamp with 2.

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.03.12 11:54:46 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 50) : Has Etzebeth not been used?? The guy has to duck to avoid low clouds!! They should be using him!

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.03.12 11:57:31 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Muzi (Comment 49) : Sounds promising. How does it work? What day to what day is it on?

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.03.12 11:58:02 by Ben Reply

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  • Both festivals take place from 5 April to 9 April i will get more details concerning the entrance costs.

    Players do not have to pay to enter the festival.

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.03.12 12:02:53 by Muzi Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 51) :

    Not sure what the story is. Looks like Andries just calls all – or almost all – of the line-outs to go his way, probably by instruction to set up rolling mauls.

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.03.12 12:05:37 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 53) : Okay thanks Muzi. I’m pretty sure I will be joining you.

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.03.12 12:06:33 by Ben Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 54) : That becomes predictable and Etsebeth needs to get exposed to some pressure.

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.03.12 12:07:04 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 8) : when was the last time the Emerging Boks played, 2009?

    look at the last team to be fielded:
    Emerging Boks to face the British & Irish Lions – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Luzuko Vulindlu, 13 Deon van Rensburg, 12 Morgan Newman, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Earl Rose, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Jean Deysel, 6 Dewald Potgieter (c), 5 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Bandisa Maku, 1 Wian du Preez.

    Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Pat Cilliers, 18 Franco van der Merwe, 19 Jacques Botes, 20 Heini Adams, 21 Willem de Waal, 22 Danwel Demas.

    Effectively, we don’t have a 2nd tier team!

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.03.12 12:32:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Muzi (Comment 28) :
    I’m not sure the Blues will be such a test on the Highveld, missing two big names, and down on confidence.
    Still, do your best to soften them up for us won’t you.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.03.12 13:08:05 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) : We need one and it should include capped fringe players like Jean Deysel and the Ndunganes.

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.03.12 13:19:08 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 50) :

    Roux has been injured!! :roll:

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.03.12 14:47:57 by wpw Reply
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  • Rob just the other day said he felt that Etzebeth wasn’t as good as evryone makes him out to be,after two Super Rugby matches,I would love to know what he thinks

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.03.12 15:55:50 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 61) :

    Don’t worry about what Rob thinks. He’s negative about most players outside of Durban.

    Just the other day he said Herbst was a Springbok in the making because his scrummaging has never been called into question. Coenie was “useless” as he put it, because of scrummaging concerns.

    I’m now officially calling his (Herbst) scrummaging into question, which gives me the right to call him useless whenever I please. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.03.12 16:01:52 by hendrikp Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 61) : I was impressed with his efforts against the Sharks…

    So look, just to get this in perspective, my concern is with people making statements that “XXX will be a Bok this year” based on performances at baby Bok level… Hendrik is the worst antagonist when it comes to this.

    Now I stand by what I said, in that I didn’t think much of Etzebeth at the JWC because while he was using his (considerable) bulk to power over for tries on the wing, his forwards were getting stuffed in the tight. I think, though, that guys who are bigger than average find it very hard to be team players at junior level, so this is not completely inexcusable.

    Etzebeth has stepped up nicely in his last two games – let’s see him turn that good start into a season of sustained good play before we start talking about him as a Springbok.

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.03.12 16:15:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : just remember that I also have the right to suspend your account whenever I please, so perhaps a little more respect wouldn’t go amiss.

    I’ve already admitted that I didn’t expect this weekend’s scrum contest between Kitshoff and Herbst to be as one-sided as it appeared to be. That’s one poor scrumming display from Wors, compared to an entire season of getting eaten like a mealie from Coenie.

    So whether I ever called Coenie “useless” or not (which I doubt I did, probably just said he was useless in the scrum, which he is) doesn’t really come into it. He’s a great ballplayer, I’ve never doubted or disputed that. A prop’s primary responsibility is to scrum, though and if you can’t do that, you can’t be in the team.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.03.12 16:18:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • that’s the problem with punting favourites and not being objective when analysing players…

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.03.12 16:18:50 by Megatron Reply

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  • @hendrikp (Comment 62) : May I just add that I really don’t appreciate the way you conduct yourself on this site. You show no respect for the opinions of anyone else, or defer in any way to the fact that it is CLEARLY and demonstrably a site aimed at Sharks supporters. There are plenty of incredibly knowledgeable people here who, quite frankly, have established the sort of track record of credibility that you couldn’t dream of at this stage, yet you piss all over them and think it’s funny.

    There’s more to life than being a cocky teenager, hendrik. I hope you learn this in time.

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.03.12 16:21:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 65) : you clearly must have forgotten the url you typed to get here….

    it’s not “objectiveworld.co.za”, now is it?

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.03.12 16:22:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 64) : what? lay off the draconian “it’s my ball i can leave with it if i want to” antics….hendrikp is entitled to his opinions whether you like them or not!

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.03.12 16:25:32 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : boet, you’re losing it! if you want to be biased, that is your shit. don’t expect us non-biased rugby viewers to kowtow to you because apparently it is your site. get over yourself.

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.03.12 16:27:13 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 69) : no, it’s completely different… it’s a case of the squeaky wheel thinking it’s going to get the most grease.

    A few of you – always the guys who are not Sharks supporters – love to come here and generate pages of commentary about how we are not objective… whereas in reality, the 95% of posters at whom the content is primarily aimed don’t seem too fussed. Accept the place for what it is, in other words, because it isn’t going to change to keep you, hendrik and one other bloke whose name I can’t remember happy.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.03.12 16:29:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : forget EVER controlling how other people think! this is what i was alluding to last week, when the sharks lose, allow people the space to voice their opinions without trying to get them into seeing the sharks with rose-tinted glasses.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.03.12 16:30:15 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : i have NEVER asked anyone to be objective, if i disagree with an opinion expressed i will use facts to blow holes in that opinion, if you don’t like being challenged then don’t post.

    i open all of my opinions to scrutiny and am not stupid enough to think i know it all about rugby!

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.03.12 16:36:13 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 71) : I’m not controlling anything… I am presenting a point of view that I considered reasoned and appropriate… and people are always welcome to disagree with what I say, provided they argue their point sensibly and with respect

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.03.12 16:36:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 72) : and, to be fair, we generally welcome your opinions and your criticism for the very reason that they are substantiated and well-argued.

    I’ve long since given up on expecting a respectful tone from you :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.03.12 16:39:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : “I’ve long since given up on expecting a respectful tone from you” hahahaha ;-)

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.03.12 16:42:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : @Megatron (Comment 75) : Glad you guys have made friends again…peace returns to our fair kingdom :grin:

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.03.12 16:43:34 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 68) :

    How sweet one antagonist sticking up for another .. :roll:

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.03.12 17:22:42 by csb Reply

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  • Gonna put my neck on the line and say Etzebeth will be a capped Bok this year. If Meyer isn’t too conservative about youngsters,I reckon this kid will make the grade to be selected for the Boks. Hell I don’t think Elstadt will get back into the side unless the kid goes through a ridiculous loss of form or is injured

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.03.12 17:34:41 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 78) :
    Clearly didn’t read comment 63, did you?

    @csb (Comment 77) :
    :lol:

    Megatron is generally interesting to read, but he can’t resist playing the rebel with a cause. He should have been born 40 years earlier.

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.03.12 18:08:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Big Fish,exactly why I said am gonna put my neck on the line,I know it’s a bit early to shout Boks,but I have this unshakable feeling that the big man will wear a Bok jersey this year

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.03.12 18:24:37 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 80) : A BIT EARLY?

    Surely you are a master of litotes, young’un…

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.03.12 19:12:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : wasn’t particularly fond of English,litotes has something to do with grammar or parts of speech or whatever they call these things,so do enlighten me….litotes

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.03.12 19:58:35 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 82) : it means using understatement for effect…

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.03.12 20:01:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hahaha..ok so it’s not “a bit early”,suppose you think it’s way too early hey

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.03.12 20:12:33 by Ludz Reply

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  • @Ludz (Comment 84) : spot on boyks

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.03.12 20:40:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 79) : thanks groot vis, coming from you i take that as a compliment. :-)

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.03.12 22:39:28 by Megatron Reply

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  • @csb (Comment 77) : ‘antagonist’ huh? hehe that’s a step up from troll. :-)

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.03.12 22:42:01 by Megatron Reply

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  • I’m a sharks supporter and I call out players who are underperforming ,players who’ve lost the edge and ill be the first to defend a player from another province –if any one actually remembers the first day I blogged on this site they’ll know its true.

    It’s hard to judge Goosen, he still has a way to go imo . Certain parts of his game need huge improvements, for instance his defence and maturity in decision making. I can’t decide whether or not he’ll turn out to be another RuanP/GduToit or with time level out.

    At the moment Jantjies is the 2nd best fh ,edging Lambie in broken play. Pats biggest problem is that he is an understated player playing rugby in a country who’ve always been mimics when it came to Quade Cooper like play, now we are producing players with those dynamic skill capabilities and we have become so excited about this that we neglect the fundamentals of conventional rugby that fly half’s should posses. Hendrikp says Lambie won’t be a Bok10 because of his goal kicking, I think that is narrow-minded when considering the amount of players worthy of being a bok who can kick the ball 60+m ,that are not fly-half’s.

    By the way Tim Whitehead will struggle to keep Bosman out of the starting line up if Bos keeps playing the way he did vs the Stormers, completely out played JdV.

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.03.12 23:39:03 by Talent Reply
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  • All I have to say is keep the f*** away from our players. Bad enough we lost our promising backline players without you miserable bastards threatening to poach our forwards.

    Allister, just hurry the hell up and get their signatures. Get them in blood if you have to.

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.03.12 23:53:09 by Leviathan Reply

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  • @Leviathan (Comment 89) : Such as? :lol: Etzebeth is good ,but not all that you guys are making him out to be ,he aint a brad thorn and he aint a bakkies. His arms are well developed but does that make you an enfocer?Prob in the pink city

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.03.12 23:58:01 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 90) :
    He and Kitshoff were good enough to demolish your scrum the other day with the Du Plessis brothers in it.

  • Comment 91, posted at 06.03.12 08:51:36 by Leviathan Reply

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