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Sharks v Stormers: by the numbers


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 6 Mar 2012 at 14:30
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Good news, folks… I’ve found a new source of Super Rugby match statistics; hence we can relaunch our ever popular “by the numbers” article that gives a statistical analysis of each Sharks game.

Let’s insert the usual caveats here about how much to read into statistical analysis, because it really isn’t as objective as it’s meant to be, yet isn’t subjective enough to provide any level of context to the numbers. In short, statistics certainly give us a piece of the picture, but don’t paint the whole scene completely by themselves.

Enough of that, let’s look at the Stormers match!

We’ll start with some team statistics – these are useful measure that we can track form match to match.

The Sharks got the better of the Stormers in terms of rucks and mauls (74 to 59) , line breaks (2 to 1) and offloads (11 to 4). Set pieces were more even, with 5 scrums won apiece, however the Stormers took one on Sharks put in. Likewise, total lineouts wins went the Sharks’ way (16 to 11), but the Stormers won 3 against the throw to the Sharks’ 2.

The Stormers made more tackles (124 to 99) than the Sharks did, but the Sharks missed a slightly higher percentage (22% against 21%). Those numbers are unacceptably high for either team, though and I’m sure the respective coaches would prefer to see numbers in the very low teens, if not single digits, when it comes to missed tackle percentage.

Marcell Coetzee (13) and Bismarck du Plessis (12) made the most tackles in total, with their effectiveness scores (93% and 92% respectively) also the highest significant numbers. Anton Bresler, Paul Jordaan and Marius Joubert all managed 100% effectiveness, but since none played for more than 10 minutes, we’ll discount them. The worst offenders in terms of missed tackles were Steven Sykes, Wiehahn Herbst and Louis Ludik, each of who missed as many tackles as they made.

In terms of work with the ball, it was again Coetzee who made the most runs (13) making 64m in the process. Lwazi Mvovo (95m) made the most progress with ball in hand, followed closely by Riaan Viljoen (86m) and JP Pietersen (82m). Coetzee also attended the most rucks and mauls (12), with Bismarck on 11 just behind.

Looking at discipline, the Sharks lost the game by conceding 14 penalties to the Stormers’ 6 and there were three main antagonists in this regard; Bismarck du Plessis, Dale Chadwick and Ross Skeate each conceded 3, with Skeate earning a yellow card as well. Much -maligned captain Keegan Daniel only conceded a single penalty, by comparison. Bismarck and Keegan did, however, each concede possession three times (for Bismarck, bad lineout throws count) and with the latter adding 4 missed tackles, the captain does end up in the unfortunate position of being the player with the highest combined error rate, even if he was not the main conceder of penalties.

There is really no other candidate for Most Valuable Player than Marcell Coetzee, though, which I’m sure all of us already figured out just from watching the match.



72 Comments

  • Oh numbers and statistics, how I have missed thee…

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.03.12 14:33:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Why are the Sharks getting hammered by the penalty count so far this year? Didn’t we get a ref or 2 in to explain the focus points for the season? If we keep conceding 2 penalties to 1 – or more – in each game, we’re in for an awful season.

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.03.12 14:35:08 by PTAShark Reply

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  • I`d like to know the kicking stats for Lambie and Elton.

    Given that we`ll have wet conditions on saturday the match will surely be decided with penalties.
    If we know the stat we can place our bets!

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.03.12 15:00:58 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 1) : then you’ll enjoy this. :)

    Go to.

    http://www.sanzarrugby.com/superrugby/
    click on the Fox Sport Stats target. (A new window will open)
    click on “team and player stats”
    click on a team and it will open with opettions for situational stats, game splits and stuff like that.
    You can find info for in how many games where the Sharks were leading at half time did they carry on to win or lose etc.

    Fun reading.

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.03.12 15:01:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • In other words, if Keegan Daniel had conceded his single penalty in the opening 10 minutes instead of the dying minutes of the game we’d probably be blaming someone else for our loss :roll:

    The stats are encouraging – when last did we see a Sharks 13 featuring so prominently in the metres gained stat? We just need to turn some of that dominance into tries now.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.03.12 15:12:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    Thanks boet, I will have a look!

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.03.12 15:14:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Just had a look at the current log..

    Its not every day that you see the Rebels ahead of both the Sharks and the Blues..

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.03.12 15:16:23 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : EXACTLY.

    on both points raised

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.03.12 15:22:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • Jeez from watching the game it felt like we lost a lot more than 3 lineouts.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.03.12 15:34:17 by Ben Reply

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  • I really hope Marcell can keep this up when the fame strikes him. Most players then just relax on the pitch knowing they will be picked because of their names.

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.03.12 15:36:39 by Ben Reply

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  • Mar@Ben (Comment 10) : Marcel knows we got deysel and alberts coming back. His place will not always be garanteed so he’ll keep giving his all,this should also push alberts and deysel

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.03.12 15:46:13 by juba_fan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Off topic, why is Keo website saying Alberts is still doubtful…where did they get that info from?

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.03.12 15:50:00 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 9) : I got the impression that our lineouts went rather well while watching the game (especially considering the quality of the Stormers’ locks). When I saw some of the lineout complaints in the SW comments I thought I was just not paying proper attention during the game. :grin:

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.03.12 15:50:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @PTAShark (Comment 2) : Leadership is the problem i believe…how is the team suppose to do well, when the most experienced guys in our team are giving away most of the penalties…it is unacceptable.

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.03.12 15:52:56 by JJR Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : We got lucky to win our first few lineouts…we got 50% of the lineouts right and the other 50% went horribly wrong, but we still managed to end up with the ball somehow.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.03.12 15:54:22 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 12) : who knows… but SuperSport is also reporting that.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.03.12 15:58:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : Maybe it wasn’t quantity but rather quality. :razz:

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.03.12 15:59:20 by Ben Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : I thought exactly the opposite… I mean, I KNEW that the lineouts had gone well, so when I saw the comments I dismissed them as reactionary rubbish :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.03.12 15:59:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) :
    Geez, very incisive point on the 13 performance! I guess one probably has to go back to Jeremy Thompson!

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.03.12 16:00:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @juba_fan (Comment 11) : Deysel and Alberts to fight it out for 1 spot. Marcell and Kanko to fight it out for that no 8 jersey.

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.03.12 16:01:12 by Ben Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 14) : I don’t think that’s fair… we are looking at two individuals here… Skeate and Bismack. I’m sure you’re not including Chadwick in the “most experienced” category.

    Other experienced players, like Sykes, Daniel, Botes, Michalak, Bosman, Pietrsen, Ludik, Viljoen gave away at most 1 penalty… so can’t make a blanket statement.

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.03.12 16:01:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : Thanx man.
    At last proof that Lambie is a better fullback than flyhalf.
    Games won with Lambie at flyhalf 57 %
    Games won with Lambie at Fullback 80%

    Can Viljoen slot in at centre I wonder? :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.03.12 16:03:59 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Sharks only team in the whole comp with no tries against them…

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.03.12 16:04:05 by Uli Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) : And 1 player wins you the game right?

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.03.12 16:11:24 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 24) : Maybe not, but if you have every player in his best possible position you`ve got a fair shot. . .

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.03.12 16:13:58 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 25) : Keep Lambie at 10 then. :grin:

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.03.12 16:15:50 by Ben Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Ja, i shouldn’t have used a blanket term. On the chadwick thing…never seen him ever give away too many penalties in the past…he is been pinned quite a few times already this year.

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.03.12 16:24:18 by JJR Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 25) : Lambie is best at 10, even physically he is more suited to 10 than 15. He also doesn’t have great speed for 15 and doesn’t really have a better ability than Viljoen to beat defenders.

    But i hope to see Lambie be more influencial this weekend, been a bit quiet by his standards in the first 2 games. Would like to see our wingers run off Lambie a bit more, have not seen that too often…Lambie times the pass very well and the wingers will really enjoy that.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.03.12 16:28:26 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 28) : His biggest problem is freddie, or am I the only one who sees that?

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.03.12 16:31:24 by Uli Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 28) : Ag I`m just messing with you.
    I think he`s better at 15 and the stats prove this. But we can`t select him at 15 right now.

    @Uli (Comment 29) : Agreed.
    We need to revert back to McLeod. Maybe if Lambie gets quicker ball he`ll look better.

    I`m definately not saying it`s Lambie`s fault that we`re the Cheetahs` biggest threat for the the wooden spoon at this stage.
    It`s a combination of factors.
    Penalties conceded being the the biggest contributor by far.
    Captaincy is another issue.
    Possession was a problem against the bulls but since Botes is back and Bismarck found some form that`s sorted out.

    Would be interesting to see them go up against Minnie this weekend.
    Last time they met Minnie had our number, would it happen again?

    While I will admit I`m worried about this saturday I just can`t see us lose this one. I shudder to think what would happen if we do :shock:

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.03.12 16:49:02 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 29) : Having Mcloed inside Lambie would make him play better, Yes. Don’t know if we will see Mcloed at 9 this weekend though, if the weather is wet; but hopefully it is dry :smile:

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.03.12 16:54:46 by JJR Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : I was at the braai in between plays so I was convinced I had missed something :mrgreen:

    @Big Fish (Comment 19) : I also checked JP’s gains against the Bulls. Botes lead with 61m and JP came in second with 60m. Tim was in third with 54m. Our two centers in the top three. :cool:

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.03.12 17:08:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 22) : com-on that’s no proove, that stat will change with every game from this saterday… Watch…

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.03.12 17:11:13 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 30) : Minnie has always dominated us, we were not good at getting numbers to the ruck early last year. Anway, was happy with our performance last week. The guys are starting to play well and the prolonged victories will come, we just need to cut down on the errors and penalties. Let’s improve every week boys.

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.03.12 17:11:52 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 32) : One more interesting stat: Bjorn Basson’s metres gained vs The Sharks? ZERO! :cool:

    Francois Hougaard was their most effective runner with 84m gained. The rest of the team lag way behind.

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.03.12 17:13:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 32) : It is very very nice not to have to worry about our centers anymore…but now we worrying about injuries…why can’t everything just be perfect?! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.03.12 17:14:30 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 12) : Why do you bother reading Keo?

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.03.12 17:14:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 30) : What stats prove this exactly? Do you have other proof than the winning percentages for where he plays? Because that proves absolutely nothing.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.03.12 17:15:10 by Ben Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 25) : the last trophy the Sharks won lambi was @ 10, the only reason the same result are not forth-coming and STILL is our NR 9 position, if only one of these yokes can give Lambi some decent ball everything will change…

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.03.12 17:17:04 by Franshark Reply
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  • @Franshark (Comment 39) : What are “yokes”? :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.03.12 17:21:26 by Ben Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) : Only when i think something is factual news, anything that shows any hint of opinion being involved i don’t click. :smile: keo writers are as biased as they come.

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.03.12 17:42:07 by JJR Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 40) : yokes are things that suppose to pass the ball but drink coffee while deciding where to pass :)

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.03.12 18:05:13 by Franshark Reply
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  • One stat that every team needs, crowd attendance. Loftus other than the pregame stampede to get in was a huge attendance. Stormers was a fantastic crowd. Kings Park – come on boys – support our men and watch their bollocks grow into steel.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.03.12 19:27:02 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 43) : with the side having lost two games, you can forget about Durban getting off its ass to support. The Park will be at best 60% full

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.03.12 20:05:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : not to mention they are predicting heavy rains for Saturday :cry:

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.03.12 20:16:50 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Dude we only get 60% for big games after good performances. I’d be surprised with a 30k attendance.

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.03.12 20:18:53 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 43) : That pregame stampede was not lekker. It had the potential to turn very dangerous – very quickly. So relieved my wife didn’t join me for that game. I won’t be taking her or my daughter to Loftus anytime soon. :evil:

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.03.12 21:41:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 46) : sigh…. can’t really argue

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.03.12 22:04:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : yep I’m really bummed at the lack of support at the Tank, we are the biggest fan base, but we aren’t local enough to be at the game every Saturday. Wish Durbs would make more of an effort… The greatest after match facilities in the world (as per Clarkson voice)

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.03.12 22:16:56 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 47) : yep that was a shocker – I was trapped in that with full Sharks gear; not pleasant – yep little ones were howling and moms were crying. I was really shocked to see the lack of crowd management there. When the turnstiles malfunctioned it was near chaos. Also wrote Loftus off my list – unless I’m in a box – different story…

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.03.12 22:20:06 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Uli (Comment 29) : agree, Fred’s sloooow pass is making life difficult for Lambie.

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.03.12 23:05:36 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 35) : Would love to see Chili’s stats against us.

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.03.12 23:07:48 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 51) : 100% agree with you on that. I also think Bissie slow throw ins at the lineout make life difficult for our locks. Just watch how quick guys like Tiaan Liebenberg, Corey Flynn etc throw the ball in and compare Michalak’s pass with McCloed or Andy Ellis etc.

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.03.12 07:56:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : Exactly. A Captain true value lies in how he closes off a game. And poor captains don’t gee the team up through to the end. The cool heads are needed in the last ten minutes especially in tight affairs. Bismarck is Vice Captain and both he and Keegan are the players that let the team down. Doesn’t bode well for the rest of the season.

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.03.12 10:24:04 by waje Reply

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  • Keegan has missed 8 tackles in his first two games. Not what you expect from a loose forward.

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.03.12 10:29:01 by waje Reply

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  • Looking at the stats, how can Marcelle be dropped when Deysel and Alberts return? His figures opposed to Ryan and Keegan are great. Plumtree has put himself into a corner.

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.03.12 10:32:20 by waje Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 55) :

    Not what you expect from any player really, no matter what position you play..

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.03.12 10:34:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 57) : What bugs me is all these problems aren’t new. All this was happening in the Currie Cup and yet Plumtree did not fix it in the off season. During last year’s Currie Cup Keegan’s captaincy was shown to be weak in the tight games, yet here the team is sitting at the bottom of the log partly through mistakes by the Captain. Look I would like to be wrong, but the stats aren’t painting a great picture.

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.03.12 10:45:24 by waje Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 58) :

    I dont think you blame the Captain alone for the team losing its opening matches..

    Secondly, yes some of the things that we saw in the Currie Cup is still there, but you forget that we have improved in other areas, other things that were wrong during the Currie Cup, which now looks better.

    For instance, the players look conditioned, the defence of the team is brilliant, (even with all the missed tckles, we haven’t leaked a try), the lineouts seemed to have improved, our backline and attacking play looks more threatening.

    So yes, still much to be improved, but it would be silly to say that nothing has changed.

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.03.12 10:58:57 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 59) : I’ve never questioned Plumtree’s structural and defensive coaching. He has probably the best defensive record of all the S15 coaches. However defence means squat if your team is making stupid mistakes and gifting the opposition points, and it is here where Keegan is not playing his part. It is his job to talk to the players and get them in line, and I am not seeing it.

    As for the Sharks’ attacking decision making, everyone knows where I stand here. It is shocking. I don’t understand how a backline loaded with talent is looking pedestrian. I used to question the players, but all the players that played well for other Unions, cannot suddenly just go off form. And I feel it is Bashford and Edwards that need to take the flak here. Keegan should also be talking to the backline and get them to rather recycle the ball than kick it away, which is happening far too often. How often do you see the Sharks build up 8+ phases in a game? This is a sign of a team that has no idea what to do with the ball when they have it.

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.03.12 11:18:14 by waje Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 60) :

    Keegan is not the only one making stupid errors here, I do not understand why you single him out as the only one?!

    Yes the Sharks backline is packed with talent, but it is an improvement on where we were in terms of looking potent. You cannot argue that the Sharks do not look better than they did in the Currie Cup last year..

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.03.12 11:24:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 56) : who’s saying he’s going to drop Marcell?

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.03.12 11:25:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • An oppositions guide to beating the Sharks.

    * Kick the ball out. They will probably lose the line out and give the ball back.
    * Keep your defenders in close, don’t worry about the wings they rarely get the ball and are only there to make up the numbers.
    * Piss off the Du Plessis brothers, you’ll milk a few penalties this way.
    * Run at Keegan, he’ll probably miss the tackle, gifting you a few more meters.
    * When the backs have the ball, let them run away from their support and then tackle them. They’ll be pinged for holding on or support player diving in.
    * Hold onto your ball, play it safe. Most their tries are scored from turnovers.

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.03.12 11:35:16 by waje Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 62) : You can’t drop the captain. Although John Smit did spend a lot of time on the bench last year. Alberts you could put at 4, Keegan at 8 and leave Marcelle and Deysel on the side. Now that would be an impressive line up.

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.03.12 11:38:19 by waje Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 63) :

    I’ll admit that the Sharks backline looks better BUT they have still only scored 1 try in 2 games. I still think we have the talent but I agree that there is a serious lack of set play moves from the Sharks backline and there the coaches need to carry the blame.

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.03.12 11:39:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • One thing I will say about Stefan Terblanche, is he was awesome under the high ball. Ludik and Viljoen are getting taken apart at the moment.

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.03.12 11:41:01 by waje Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 61) : I know it sounds like sour grapes, but unfortunately Sharks fans have been spoilt with great Captains over the last 20 years. Keegan hasn’t fitted the mould. I don’t see him talking to or getting the players motivated like Smit, Muller or Teichmann did. As a player he is a great 8 and with Deysel back he could move there. The problem is, who is good enough to be Captain? It is sadly a case of: it’s not that you aren’t good enough, it’s the boots aren’t fitting you as well.

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.03.12 11:48:54 by waje Reply

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  • Given that the team with possession tends to get penalised the most this season, do you think we should follow the example set by the Bulls and just boot everything down field?

    Play without the ball, wait for the other team to concede penalties and win ugly?

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.03.12 11:52:53 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 67) :

    Who do you suggest as Captain then?

    I can guarantee that you would have bitching about any of the players should they have been captain.

    It was a case of putting a new captain on the park, or taking someone who has captaining experience, and running with him.

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.03.12 11:54:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 69) : Botes, if he was guaranteed a spot. Or Keegan just needs to gee up the team when things are tough. They are big boots to fill.

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.03.12 12:19:24 by waje Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 68) : No the Sharks have tried this and the tackle count starts killing the team physically and by the 4th game the players burn out and lose badly. The Sharks need to just hold onto the ball and create phases. Make 2 meters at a time. Play patient waiting rugby.

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.03.12 12:21:34 by waje Reply

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  • @waje (Comment 70) :

    Botes will unfortunately never be a first choice amongst the loose forwards we have.. But he does have the captaincy experience from previus campaigns, and a lead from the front attitude..

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