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Sharks player ratings v Lions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 10 Mar 2012 at 23:55
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The Sharks pulled off an ultimately-convincing 32-20 win over the Lions on Saturday, and even though the quality of the overall performance may not have been quite what we’d expected, the result was the most important thing. Let’s see how the individuals stacked up.

1) Dale Chadwick: Performed well in his primary role at scrum time and kept the Lions under pressure, but needs to improve on other aspects of his game. 6/10
2) Bismarck du Plessis: Responded well to criticism and put in a match-changing performance, with strong breakdown work and vastly improved set-piece accuracy. Conceded a few penalties, with the consensus being that some were quite harsh. 8/10
3) Wiehahn Herbst. A decent performance in his second start at his level, with improved scrummaging and tenacity on defence. Needs to work on breakdown technique. 6/10
4) Steven Sykes. Growing back into the role of enforcer in the pack and proved a real handful both on attack and defence. Another who needs to be careful about breakdown discipline after a few penalty concessions. 7/10
5) Ross Skeate. Struggled to maintain the same level of performance that saw him stand out against the Stormers and was replaced before half time due to an injury. 5/10
6) Marcell Coetzee. Despite initially looking a little uncomfortable at open-side flank, Marcell soon found his rhythm and put in another barnstorming performance, with big hits all over the park changing the course of the game. Hands are sometimes a concern. 7/10
7) Willem Alberts. A sluggish start after such a long injury lay-off, with Big Vic clearly lacking in match fitness. He improved as the game wore on and will only improve as the season progresses. 6/10
8) Keegan Daniel. An error-strewn individual display from the captain, but he must be given credit for backing his side to pick up the bonus point in the last minute of the game, which they duly did. 5/10

9) Fred Michalak. Decision-making and quality of service was found wanting on occasion and while he doesn’t look all that bad at scrumhalf, he’s not really looking all that good either. 5/10
10) Pat Lambie. A far more assured and confident display from the young Bok, who controlled position superbly with accurate kicks from hand and also looked to take on the line far more than he has on other occasions this season. 7/10
11) Lwazi Mvovo. On a day when he didn’t have all that much to do, Lwazi took his chances superbly and showed his amazing finishing ability by scoring a great try in the first half. 6/10
12) Tim Whitehead. Added direction on attack and huge solidity on defence. Look no further, Sharks, number 12 is sorted! 7/10
13) JP Pietersen. Put in the sort of performance to back up his coach’s view that he is the best number 13 in the country right now. Truly superb and revelling in this new position. The break to set up Bosman’s try was a thing of beauty. 8/10
14) Odwa Ndungane. A hugely encouraging game in his first match after injury and Odwa acquitted himself very well indeed. Does the basics of his position incredibly well and his work without the ball is what sets him apart from Mvovo at this stage. 7/10
15) Riaan Vlijoen. Tjoppie is quickly becoming a crowd favourite and varied his play well at fullback. Showed great composure throughout, particularly in picking up a horrible rolling ball to score the opening try. 7/10

16) Craig Burden. Didn’t get on. Again.
17) Jannie du Plessis. Looked better this week and did the basics well. Even put in a run or two. 6/10
18) Anton Bresler. Impressed with his work rate and was tireless on defence. 7/10
19) Jacques Botes. The evergreen Botes really is Mr Dependable and you can always count on him to give his all. Scored a great try to end the game. 7/10
20) Charl McLeod. Delivered much-improved service to the backs once he came on, but also made a few individualistic darts when passing would have been a better option. 6/10
21) Meyer Bosman. Delivered a consistent and confident showing as always. Meyer has really found his feet and is now such a valuable member of this team. 7/10
22) Paul Jordaan. Can’t be rated on just 3 minutes. What was the point?



65 Comments

  • Agree with the ratings Rob.

    Have to adit, did not even see Jordaan come on..

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.03.12 09:37:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Chadwick deserves a 6 but Herbst was poor imo and I would have given him a 5.

    I thought Keegan was much better this game and deserves a 7, why did he get a 5??

    I don’t think Michalak was that bad ,he definitely needs to refine his scrumhalf play though.

    Lambie was awesome ,maybe 8.

    Thought Lwazi had a much better game this week and his defence was the best I’ve seen it in a while.

    The rest I agree with.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.03.12 09:44:08 by Talent Reply
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  • Fair ratings Rob.

    A totally different Sharks team all of a sudden. Average pack and an exciting backline!

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.03.12 09:47:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) : True :roll: I read that Cooper played prop in the Vodacom cup ,or came on as one??

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.03.12 09:50:11 by Talent Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 3) :

    The backline runs better lines and watching it live, they look so much better and so much more threatening with ball in hand.

    One word describes the backline at the moment… direction.

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.03.12 09:51:05 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Coetzee really needs to sort out those handling niggles but was solid at six otherwise. Put in some great tackles. Did Daniel really deserve a 5 though? Seems a bit harsh. I admire Lambie a great deal after reviewing some of Michalak’s passes. His service is all over the place. He does the backline a (excuse the pun) disservice by passing above and behind players when we’re on attack. Saw two occasions where players had to jump to catch his pass.

    JP was superb. I was surprised by his appreciation of the rules surrounding the ruck. There was a incident I recall where he ended up on his back on the wrong side of the ruck. The ball was presented for the Lions right in front of JP and he simply rolled away as he should have. The temptation must have been huge to lay a hand on it.

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.03.12 09:51:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I mostly think you have the ratings spot on Rob.

    I would take Bismarck down to a 6 and Daniel up to a 7.

    Daniel’s vanishing act vanished and he was much more visible.

    I don’t agree with the concensus on Bismarck, he got penalised (I think 3 times again ) fairly IMO.

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.03.12 09:58:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “21) Meyer Bosman. Delivered a consistent and confident showing as always. Meyer has really found his feet and is now such a valuable member of this team. 7/10″
    This guy has stepped up big time …
    The nice thing is him and Tim are such different players but they both compliment the players they have outside them.
    I rate Whitehead and have backed him to start for us (albeit at 13)since I heard we had bought him, however the only thing keeping Bosman on the bench at this point in time is his versatility .

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.03.12 10:01:04 by Talent Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : coming to the conclusion that when it comes to Bismarck and Keegan, there’s always going to be a lack of consensus :)

    My reasoning for giving Keegan the low score was quite simply this – he made a huge number of mistakes. Perhaps, on reflection, his score could go up a bit, but not as far as 7.

    As for Bismarck, well – the official stats have him conceding only two penalties and I felt at least one of those was bullshit – the one where he was deemed to have ripped the ball illegally.

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.03.12 10:08:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : Bismarck was good ,his turnovers put us in some great attacking positions and halted the lions attack . This was a very different performance at the breakdown to last weeks ,more accurate and effective . What does irritate me is our clumsiness at the breakdown ,did anyone notice how often when one of our players contested for the ball another player would spoil it by cleaning the player out and making them go of their feet or by coming from the side or by just diving of their feet into the ruck, its something that needs to be fixed .

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.03.12 10:09:41 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : @Talent (Comment 10) : Bissie must have been reading Sharksworld before the game because he delivered in all of the areas he was criticised. He ran onto the ball like a champ and was far more disciplined.

    I also saw the clumsiness at6 the breakdowns. Cost us a few turnovers as the contesting player was shouldered in the backside by his own player and flew over to the Lions’ side of the ruck!

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.03.12 10:17:56 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Nice review Rob. Good to see the senior guys stepping up. Our young props will mature with time. Glad they’re getting a chance.

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.03.12 10:25:16 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 12) : that’s the key thing… when it comes to the props, we need to back these guys and not expect world class performances from them straight away

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.03.12 10:31:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • This is my opinion on the game after watching it live and then watching the recording. Emphasis on ‘opinion’! ;-)

    Tim Whitehead was outstanding, I can see why Morne’ rates him so highly and I must admit that this is the first time in a while that I can say that there is real excitement with our centres. He runs good lines, has quick hands, is always on the lookout to put someone into space and solid defence to boot.
    JP played really well, just one small concern, he needs to pick up his wing a little more and offload. I’m sure this will improve with time though.
    Odwa really impressed me with his pace, his work ethic was superb!
    I still have the same concern as highighted before about Lwazi, he needs to look for more work!
    Riaan Viljoen, growing in confidence, needs to back himself to run at the defence when the opportunity presents itself.
    Pat had a really good game, I feel he needs Charl as the starting scrummy as Fred just takes to long to get the ball out and his passing is really not accurate. I know a lot of people have said that Pat’s best position is fullback, but after Saturday I disagree, he just does not have enough pace for fullback. A class player though!
    Marcel Coetzee played well, but the same advice as given before, he needs to offload more, bring the other guys into play.

    As for the penalties, some where really strange…you cannot tell me that the Sharks after 3 weeks have not figured out the ref’s interpretation?? I feel Lawrence was not consistent AT ALL for both teams and I agree with Rob that Bissie’s penalties where BS.

    Other comments: As a season ticket holder I am going to say that I was disapointed with the crowd turnout. Come on Sharks supporters, get behind the boys and get to the stadium! The Shark mascot needs to be harpooned! :shock: The animated version is brilliant, the blob running onto the field…eish…
    Warren Brosnihan SUCKS as a commentator!

    Lastly, this team of ours is very young. Brilliant on paper, but the combinations all over is new. I believe that given the time and patience for everyone to settle and grow together, this Sharks team will become VERY dangerous.

    Keep the faith people!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.03.12 10:39:56 by Jakes Reply

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  • I watched the 60 min reel again; and based on that reel you can see the statistical domination The Sharks actually showed. Bismarck was immense, but Burden needs game time for many a reason… He needs at least 10 min every game. Bismarck needs rest, Burden needs exposure… No one is injury proof… If he take off Tjoppie like clock work every game, why can’t we do the same with Bismarck? We all know the pros of game time and player management, as well as the cons…

    Fair Ratings.
    Pat Lambie was really good and maybe deserving of a extra point, or .5 of a point, tactically kept the Sharks in the areas that mattered for large periods of play.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.03.12 10:44:00 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Agreed, they didn’t peform too badly anyway. The Lions got the early hit in some of the scrums which gave them the upperhand on those occasions but all in all it was a pretty even contest. There was no turbo-reverse that I could spot. :grin:

    Our lineout improved too. I think we had two stolen and on one Alberts or Daniel was caught napping – I forget who the guilty party was on that occasion.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.03.12 10:54:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Jakes (Comment 14) : You migt wanna read this: :wink:
    http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2012/03/09/could-tickets-be-partly-to-blame/

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.03.12 11:05:50 by Ice Reply
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  • Mitchell is complaining to SANZAR….and so he should.

    http://www.sportlive.co.za/rugby/superrugby/article4237464.ece

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.03.12 11:14:38 by klempie Reply

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  • Where is Beet?

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.03.12 11:20:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Jakes (Comment 14) :

    Your comment on geting people to the game is a valdi one, but I partly blame the union for this.

    I bought tickets for this game to go as a normal spectator, and not sit in the press box. I was told I cannot purchase tickets on the main stand at all, as these were reserved for season ticket holders. (no matter how high I wanted to sit.)

    I had to settle for the East stand, on the 22m line, on the second level. But what got to me most was that the main stand second level was practically empty.

    The Union has to sort it’s shit out, because I am not so keen to sit up in the sky when I can have a brilliant seat, only to be told they keeping it for someone else.

    Pure rubbish!

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.03.12 11:20:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 18) : “There was some dubious officiating because there was a foot out before the ball was pressed [for Lwazi Mvovo's try] and we’re going to report the TMO [television match official] based on the evidence we have,” Mitchell said.

    Both Mvovo and Dreyer got the benifit of the doubt. I don’t see Mitchell complaining about Dreyer’s try though?

    “In the last try there were also at least two forward passes and it’s something we’re going to deal with at management level.” :shock:

    The offload that lead to MB’s try looked forward to me at first but other angles just show it as a very flat pass. Didn’t pick up on any possible forward passes on the last try though? Wasn’t it a lineout and rolling maul that lead to that one?

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.03.12 11:22:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) : What I have done in the past is buy the crap seats and then move on down and sit in the good seats when it is clear that no one is going to be sitting there.

    When I lived in Durban and had season tickets it was always disappointing to have empty seats around you. It is disappointing to turn on the tv and see empty stands now.

    Perhaps if enough people complain it might help to sort things out. My dad refuses to go to the stadium now because he can’t get down there enough to warrant a season ticket and when he does want to buy tickets he can only get the crap seats – he wouldn’t mind if those were the only seats available but they are not.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.03.12 11:32:09 by lostfish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : :twisted: Good rating Rob! It seems though, that Daniel called for some weird line-out throws from Bissi and confused the Sharks pack?? Bissi put the ball where Daniel called and this lead to pressure (i.e. butch’s second penalty) and Daniel calls these at times when we could secure the ball better with standard call.
    Bisi works hard and will concede a penalty per game as he works on the edge. Our “light” trio again showed that heart matters above size. Coetzee is great to watch. I am not happy with Herbst!! His diving into the ruck is silly and must be stopped.
    Fredie played better but I prefer McLeod.
    Tim and JPP are growing in stature both on attack and defence. It is obvious that the guys are playing for each other, so much so that Tim and Daniel opted to pass the ball, rather than take the oppertunities. We are on the right track.
    The win against a good team like the wounded Lions should not be under estimated. They were in this game for 80 minutes and for our boys to pull off a 4 try win is priceless. Daniel showed confidence in the forwards and thet delivered on the stroke!
    There will be few games in this tournament where 1 team dominates the other! :twisted:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.03.12 11:34:25 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 22) :

    The problem with moving down, and I saw this first hand on Saturday, is that people rock up when the game has already kicked off, and then you have a big hooha about sitting on each others seats, and everyone mises half the game.

    I had an idiot block my view for about 10 minutes after kick off whilst he was trying to find his season ticket seat.

    People need to get to the game earlier and actually WATCH the bloody rugby, and not go to the drinks stand 5 times during the game, ruining it for everyone else.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.03.12 11:35:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 23) : well you see, that decision to pass by Daniel was wrong. He was clear and could have gone through himself. Instead, he passed and the ball was lost.

    Just ONE of the reasons I gave him such a low rating.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.03.12 11:36:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 21) : I guess. But still, when Mvovo was over, my Sharks buddy and I looked at each and said, “That’s not a try.”

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.03.12 11:36:42 by klempie Reply

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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 23) : With Marcell and Alberts in the loose trio that isn’t a “light” loose trio anymore.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.03.12 11:39:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 27) :

    Agreed!

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.03.12 11:41:03 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 26) : Also thought it would be inconclusive. No clear evidence that his foot didn’t touch the line.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.03.12 11:41:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 21) : :twisted: It is a good thing for Mitchell to question the call if he feels unhappy as this will lead to bettering the game and getting rid of below standard refs.
    However Naas said it “Cowboys don’t cry” When Jafta called the lions try, without consulting the video ref, (was it last year?) which was about a metre short, Mitchell did not display the same honesty he is now searching for!Back to Naas… :twisted:

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.03.12 11:43:30 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 27) : :twisted: Sorry, I mean when Alberts was subbed with Botes, the onslaught never lost momentum. :twisted:

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.03.12 11:47:16 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 26) : To be honest, on the first angle they showed it definitely looks like his foot is not in touch when grounding the ball and on the second angle it definitely looks like it is. It was a tough call and Mvovo was lucky to get it. Similar situation with Dreyer’s try. Certain angles suggest a definite controlled grounding – others seem to suggest that Sykes may have spoiled the try. I think the TMO was at the very least consistent (if not correct?) in his calls.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.03.12 11:49:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Ok ive gotta be honest here. These rankings are very high considering the opposiiton…or maybe its just an indication of our expactations this year. That Lions side was very poor and any half decent New Zealand or Aussie team would have put 50 past them! Having said that the Sharks do put some really good phases of play together BUT then all that work gets undone by stupid decision making or mistakes. At that has been a characteristic of the Sharks these last 2 years. The number of penalties we given away at the breakdown is rediculous! I dont care how much you aregue that they are harsh and about the refs interpretations, the fact of the matter is that the rules at the breakdown have been made very clear and for sum reason certain Sharks players think those rules do not apply to them. For F sakes, do not out your hands in a ruck and go off your feet because you will and have been penalised! At the moment the Sharks give away at least 9 points a game! Im sorry but that is not good enough. The decision making of the captain and vice captain leave a lot to be desired!! The only players that should get over 6 for that game are Odwa,Whithead,McCloed,Botes and probably Lambie. Im sorry but I expect better from a top super rugby side…if i didnt then id support the EP Kings!

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.03.12 11:50:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : :twisted: I aslo though Daniel should have made more of that oppertunity. What is an eye opener is the fact that the up-and-under is becoming and important part of a team’s arsenal with the new laws, don’t you think? :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.03.12 11:51:49 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 30) : You make a good point but then I would suggest that the IRB/SANZAR institute a review procedure (perhaps similar to the one employed in NFL?) so that ALL coaches can question decisions in an agreed upon manner without fear of consequence.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.03.12 11:51:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : Seriously doubt another team would have put 50 past them. That’s almost bordering on disrespectful when viewed in light of their defensive efforts.

    I see JPP wasn’t even mentioned in your players deserving more than six. What exactly did he do wrong to deserve less?

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.03.12 11:57:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : your expectations are just plain unrealistic – and your consistent negative commentary as a result is actually becoming rather tiresome.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.03.12 12:02:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 35) : :cool: :cool:
    I am calling for a GREEN card which belongs to the captain / team to enable that team to employ the card when the captain is not happy with a call.

    The card is applied so that the team can question a call per half. If the team is correct on a call made either by the captain or coach, the team keeps the card for another call, but if they are wrong, the ref keeps the card and no further call is allowed for that half.

    I do not believe that you treat a captain of a pro sport and even a National captain with the condescension that a ref does. The ref can be a total ignoramus and is still empowered to treat a pro player like a school boy.
    We have the technology – we can build a better ref! :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.03.12 12:05:31 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • :twisted: Another Idea from the NFL. The ref and assistants should have a yellow flag (bean bag) in hand to drop on the spot where a penalty will be played. This is done as soon as he calls for “advantage”

    This will allow the anvantaged team to play the ball quickly from the correct spot without waiting for the slow ref to stop his chatting with the offending side before marking the spot. :twisted:

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.03.12 12:09:25 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 20) : You need to read my article TOO!!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.03.12 12:11:25 by Ice Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) : The Sharks were average and scored 32 points, so i dont think 50 is unrealistic at all. Ok yes i forgot JPP, he should have been also included in that list of players as I think he has been good, not just on Sat but all 3 games this [email protected]robdylan (Comment 37) : Yes Rob my expectations are high. As they should be because these gusy get paid a lot of money to do a job, lets not forget that is a job not a hobby. So yes i do get quite annoyed when week after week the same mistakes are made. Would you keep your job if you kept making the same errors? So why should they be any different? If they were part time club players then yes you would expect those mistakes. So was I happy that we won- of course i was! Was i happy with the way we played, no i wasnt. Thats just my opinion though.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.03.12 12:14:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : :twisted: The Lions will surely stop a couple NZ and AUS teams this year as well as a few SA teams. Rugby is played over 80 minutes and not won with a try being scored every time the Sharks touch the ball! It is a fine balance between attack, defence and stamina.
    The Lions play with a great defensive structure and to break it down 4 times is pricless. Do you still remember the last game you played?? What was the score? Mine was a close Carlton game on Loftus against Police and it was murder. Take this up by 10 levels and you have SUPER RUGBY! No Sheldon, this is far more competitive that any spectator can conceive from the soft chair in lovie’s TV room. :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.03.12 12:19:20 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 38) : I like your idea a lot. I would however set a maximum amount of uses per half to prevent the coaches from calling every decision into review.

    @KILLER SHARK (Comment 42) : Agreed.

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.03.12 12:25:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I agree with all the Ratings accept Chadwick , I would give him a 4 at most, he did have a good day at scrum time , bur for the rest,., he always looks surprised when they pass him the ball, that is why he probably knocks it sometimes, he got wrestled of the ball on the ground by one of the lions back , and no it wasn`t former WWE star ( According to Mr Bladen ) Doppies , and the try that Taute scored, when I had a look at the Highlights , guess who was his direct tackler.

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.03.12 12:34:05 by morne1 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : I just find it a little bit sad that it’s always the lower-level club players making the harshest comments about what the pro’s should and shouldn’t be doing. Sour grapes, perhaps?

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.03.12 12:37:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @morne1 (Comment 44) : I have a question for everyone regarding that Doppies steal that I’ve been meaning to ask.

    Doppies legally ripped the ball but went to ground immediately afterwards but yet he hung onto the ball for a good few seconds. He wasn’t tackled but shouldn’t he still have released the ball? I’m not clued up on the law here and would appreciate some clarity.

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.03.12 12:41:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 46) : I think that if you’re brought to ground in a tackle, you have to release… but if you “fall over”, then you don’t.

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.03.12 12:46:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • :cool: Sharks looked ready to score tries and I think Whitehead was excellent – made a big difference

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.03.12 12:50:13 by overseas shark Reply

     
  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Thanks! :)

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.03.12 12:52:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Hardly sour grapes. I just know that my coach would be pretty pissed off if i gave away the same stupid penalities every week- and i dont get paid a cent to play! So yes i do expect a helll of a lot more of them! Just as i can guarantee that I do my job a hell of a lot better than any of them would! If you want to get paid a crap load of money to play then you should be held to a very high standard. @KILLER SHARK (Comment 42) : Yes i do remember my last game- it was in the heat on Saturday before the Sharks game, and yes we gave away penalties at the break down, probably about as many as the Sharks did later that night. Only difference is i didnt drive away in my sponsored car after the game. Im all for giving a guy praise for doing well, but best you belive i will criticise when they dont!

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.03.12 12:55:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : The tackle law is such that if u bring a guy down (to his knee) whilst making contact with him then the tackler has to release the player and the tackled player must place or play the ball. If the tackler is not in contact with the tackled player when he is brought down then its not a tackle and the player is able to get up again.

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.03.12 12:57:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Is there a report anywhere on how the Sharks XV did on the weekend?

    I know they won but is there a report on how the individuals went?

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.03.12 13:17:37 by John Galt Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : What I am saying is that I played a lot better in my mind then than when I watch the games on tape now. I think we as players are legends in our own minds and are too expectant on pros – almost faultless. You remeber how Sh**t you felt when making a mistake?? Imagine th pressure they deal with (on and off the field) Agreed it is their jobs and they have to on the ball, but even F1 drivers make calculation mistakes. Be more forgiving and don’t make the guys responsible for your ego :twisted:

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.03.12 13:27:49 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 53) : I do get what you are saying and yes i will moan if a guy drops a ball or misses a tackle or a kick but i do understand that things like that happen as they are not robots. What i am very critical of though is th penalties the Sharks players give away through stupidity or ignorance. They know the areas the refs are going to be focused on and yes whilst i agree that the going off your feet at a ruck sometimes cannot be helped, what the players can help is when the ref says hands off or roll away and then theplayers just blatantly disregard that statement and hence give away the penalty! That and the fact that we try to create something from nothing in a pressure situation where all they should have done is catch and kick it out. So the handling,kicking,tackling errors dont bothe rme cos that is easily fixed. But a players mindset towards a ref and what he beleives he is entitled to do is a lot harder to change.

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.03.12 13:40:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Having only seen the first half and last two minutes of the game it is hard to give an informed opinion. Nonetheless, I think Pat Lambie is deserving of a 8; I’ve seen Daniel Carter get unnerved by Butch “Guillotine” James, but Lambie was as composed as could be, and managed the game with aplomb. Both his tactical- and place kicking was spot-on, his tackling resolute, his distribution excellent, and he kept the opposition defense honest with some darts at the line.

    My man of the match has to be JPP though; he’s taken to playing at 13 like brain damage to a Jackass cast member.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.03.12 13:45:38 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 52) : noting that I’ve seen.

    If you go check the match thread, Ludz gave some of his thoughts though.

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.03.12 14:02:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : :twisted: I am on the same page when it comes to the penalties we hand out because of a player’s arrogance and ill discipline! 100% :twisted:

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.03.12 14:05:28 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @John Galt (Comment 52) : here’s the only match report I could find…

    link

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.03.12 14:12:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) :
    Cheers Rob.

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.03.12 14:25:54 by John Galt Reply

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  • @John Galt (Comment 59) : doesn’t say much though, does it? Although does seem to suggest that Jandre had a very good game.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.03.12 15:02:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KILLER SHARK (Comment 57) : I honestly dont believe that the Sharks players have less intelligence than other teams so i just then wonder if its a composure thing or why they keep giving away those stupid penalties? ALso the 2 tries the Lions scored, both times we had just scored and they kicked off and we could have easily caught the ball and kicked out and then defended from the halfway line, but instead we chose to try run the ball from our 22m line, got turned over and try time.Now as a coach that would make me mad! If the Sharks cut out the unnecessary penalties and silly mistakes they could challenge for the title.

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.03.12 15:13:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :
    I’m looking forward to seeing them in action this weekend against Province at the Tank.

    Should be a great warm up for the Sharks vs Reds battle.

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.03.12 16:03:27 by John Galt Reply

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  • Props were lucky to get such high scores, and surely Keegan and JP deserve better?

    Keegan made some mistakes, but he still linked well, showed very good hands, and was a terrier at the rucks.

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.03.12 22:50:57 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 63) : I’ve said my piece about JPP already. I liked the bold captaincy from Keegan in pursuing the bonus point. The fact that they pulled it off at the death must surely add immeasurably to their self-belief as a team

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.03.12 23:09:03 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I’m going to be the bigger man here and concede that I got Keegan’s rating wrong.

    It should have been somewhere between 6 and 7. Apologies to the skipper.

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.03.12 07:55:19 by robdylan Reply
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