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School Rugby results


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Original Content, School Rugby on 12 Mar 2012 at 10:51
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School Boy rugby seems to be in full swing, with a host of results coming through from our resident school boy scout, Poisy.

In other news, the night series wrapped up on Friday night, with Suid Natal beating Gelofte in front of their home crowd to take the Cup. I attended the game, and the game was exciting and filled with all the classic final moments, with a close game throughout.

Congratulations Suid Natal!

Westville 13-9 Glenwood
Kearsney 48-6 Northwood
Carter 15-12 Kingsway
Port Natal 22-34 Durban High School
Sarel Cilliers 5-62 George Campell
Felixton College 22-7 Ashton College Ballito
Western Agri College 12-0 Polokwane High
Ladysmith High 33-6 Amanzimtoti High
Watburg 12-10 Werda

Again, thanks must go to Poisy, we appreciate the effort!



76 Comments

  • Westville beat Glenwood?! Wow, that’s a big result!

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.03.12 10:54:41 by StevieS Reply
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  • Yep excellent result for Westville. Should be a good game against Dale at the Kearsney festival!

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.03.12 10:57:24 by Villie Reply
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  • And in the Eastern Cape, Dale beat Port Rex 59-10! :lol:

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.03.12 10:59:11 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 2) :

    Will be there to report back for you..

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.03.12 11:01:17 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 4) : Cheers Rich…looking forward to it!

    My plans to relocate back to SA are taking a lot longer than anticipated so I unfortunately won’t be there, so will rely on your goodself to report back!

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.03.12 11:05:25 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 5) :

    Good luck with those plans dude..

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.03.12 11:11:25 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Heard there was some controversy before the Glenwood Westville game, both teams have one or two u19 players, but Glenwood were forced to withdraw theirs because he plays in the front row, considered “too dangerous” yet Westville went ahead and fielded all of theirs…

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.03.12 11:29:30 by The Quirk Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 7) :

    Nothing like a bit of controversy to build up a game a bit..

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.03.12 11:31:55 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 7) : the issue seemed to be about the fact that Marne Coetzee was recruited from outside the province after he has already represented SA Schools… so we have an under 19 player, even though he’s a matric, being quote-unquote “bought in” straight from the SA Schools team.

    Westville apparently felt that was contrary to the spirit of the agreement between the KZN headmasters.

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.03.12 11:33:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : I don’t know, just seems a bit petty to me, after reading that story in the link i posted. Kid just wants to play rugby…

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.03.12 11:41:57 by The Quirk Reply
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  • Queen’s College 59-7 Hoerskool Grens,Josh Stander’s boys seemed a bit rusty and in the words of a not happy Mr John Duncan,”we never got out of gear 1 once today”. The boys will get there though. On another note I was very impressed with the Bulldogs,they held the Sharks XV for about 25 minutes and at 14-0. PSdT absolutely killed it for them just after the 2nd kicked off and he scored that brilliant try sprinting from his own 22,after that Border were never quite in the game. Encouraging though saw some of the youngster that are come through with the Border Rugby Academy,formerly known as the ZRA. I liked what I saw with these guys

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.03.12 13:16:50 by Ludz Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : this issue will rumble on. According to a poster on rugby365 the Sharks Rugbyt Union should be taking some of blame since they actually recruited Marne and then looked for a school to put him. Glenwood was the obvious choice given the Junior Sharks coach is from Glenwood. Sounds like players have to be recruited at a younger age to get them into the system since we don’t have a varsity team participating in the Varsity Cup.

    I really hope that College don’t kick up a fuss before they play Glenwood. Takes the focus away from the game itself. A couple of private schools in KZN which I won’t mention are likely to voice their opinion on this. All in all a bit of a c*ck up!

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.03.12 14:52:56 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 11) : I agree – it’s very petty, but then again, I don’t get people who take schoolboy rugby more seriously than life or death… :)

    Waits to get nailed…

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.03.12 14:55:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 13) : to be honest, I think it’s great that the Sharks are being proactive in scouting talent.

    Whether it’s a good thing for Erasmus to be involved at Glenwood while coaching for the Sharks is another issue. We will never be successful until guys like Erasmus are full-time Union employees.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.03.12 14:56:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : I’m with you on the scouting of talent and our backs it appears are against the wall when competeting against the likes of the Blue Bulls and WP Unions.

    On the subject of him playing for Glenwood well this obviously requires clarity before a season starts.

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.03.12 15:04:52 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 13) : Hmmm I wonder who that poster could be? I’m sure beet must have figured out by now ;-)

    @robdylan (Comment 15) : I also think its great that the Sharks are being pro-active. However I think to keep the peace the above mentioned player and the players like him should play club rugby and not SBR. He already made the SA schools team, what else could he want?

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.03.12 15:13:56 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 17) : and you went to school where again? :mrgreen:

    Haha, only kidding… but I do find it interesting that the only people who seem to have strong opinions about this are those who attended either WBHS or Glenwood… nobody else seems to care, which makes me think that people are being petty and missing the big picture.

    Maybe this is easier for me cos I didn’t go to school in Durban, but to me it’s Sharks first, foremost and only and if I see any school or club behaving in a way that I feel is detrimental to the Sharks, I will call them out on that.

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.03.12 15:35:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : PBHS lost to Kempton Park by the way

    All this focus on Coetzee and Glenwood should mean a decent crowd will pitch up at the Kearsney Easter Festival.

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.03.12 15:48:55 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : This is a very tricky issue. My personal feeling is that if a guy is doing grade 12 for the 1st time then he should be allowed to play in the schools 1st team even if he is 19. I do understand the other side of the coin though where coaches say that a 19yr old should not be scrumming against a 17yr old for instance. I guess until someone actually puts legislation in place then it will be up to the schools to come to an agreement. But if like i hear that Glenwood’s u19 player wasnt allowed to play but Westville’s was then thats just not acceptable. And yes i am a Glenwood Old Boy and i have no problem with leaving out our u19s if other schools do the same.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.03.12 15:49:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 19) : I saw that… could hardly believe it.

    Then again, Boys High has always stuck very aggressively to an amateur rugby program and I think results like that are the inevitable consequence.

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.03.12 15:54:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : 19 year olds in school first teams is hardly a new issue… I remember watching Bullet Dalton play for Jeppe when I was in form 1 and the oke was definitely neither under 18, nor doing matric for the first time. That said, our flyhalf, Clive Blumink, had already repeated form 4 and was in his second year of matric too… 4th year of first team rugby and even older than Dalton.

    I agree that we need proper legislation in place. The thought that guys would stick around in school longer than is necessary just to play schoolboy rugby is ridiculous. Get them into an under 19 program at one of the academies and let them do some vocational training at the same time.

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.03.12 15:58:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Just off the topic…do you think a big school like PBHS should adopt more of a professional outlook when it comes to rugby and cricket? I mean in todays environment any schoolboy is effectively conducting a job interview every time he steps onto the field for his schools 1st team. A good performance for his school will get him noticed by scouts very quickly, especially playing at a school like PBHS

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.03.12 15:58:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : I do get what u mean by gettting the u19s into the academy and playing there. But it is very hard for a guy that is just old for his year to be told that he in matric he cant play with his friends or for his school. It becomes a very tricky subject and i have seen in the past where schools say no u19s in the 1st side, that their 3rd or 4th team packs weight rival that of Currie Cup sides. Its very tough to balance.

  • Comment 24, posted at 12.03.12 16:01:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : I think that their stance was admirable in the earlier days of “shamateurism” but is now starting to look a little outdated.

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.03.12 16:03:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : let’s just elaborate a little, though… what exactly defines an “under 19 player”… Is that a guy who turns 19 in his matric year? So, apart from a handful of cases where that might have happened for “other reasons”, it’s because the guys failed a year somewhere along the line?

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.03.12 16:04:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Playing catch up could be difficult the rate things are going…

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.03.12 16:05:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : for sure… not sure how we could possibly compete with the likes of Affies and Waterkloof as things currently stand… never mind Grey, Monnas and the other big boys.

    Hell, we’ll even lose to KZN schools at this rate :)

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.03.12 16:07:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 22) : the rules definitely need to be put in place before a season starts. Its evident ‘agreements’ between schools will not work

    Therefore if there were no rules then Westville had no right to wade in and make a complaint. Makes their headmaster look pretty unprofessional. After all Coetzee was eligible to play.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.03.12 16:09:13 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Watch them care when Glenwood plays any other of the the KZN high schools.

    @SheldonK (Comment 20) : I’ll re-post my R365 comment here.

    “I don’t think many of you’ll get the point to exactly why Westville had a problem with this. Not much has been mentioned about the Sharks Rugby Union and how much they were involved in this process.

    Someone very close to me was involved in diffusing this whole mess , but unfortunately I cannot go into detail.

    What I can say is that the Sharks Rugby Union recruited Marne and then looked for a school to put him. The Junior Sharks coach is from Glenwood so the choice of schools became a bit simpler for Marne

    As KZN does not have a strong Varsity side, junior players for Natal will be hard to come by. One way for them to keep up with the rest of the unions is to recruit SA Schools players like Marne.

    This creates a big problem because as more and more SA Schools players will get recruited in their matric year, schools such as Glenwood would get stronger and stronger, unfairly giving them an advantage.

    Not only will other schools complain, but the existing Glenwood Rugby Players will get displaced , creating a market for ####ed of SBR players who want to play for the first team and have a shot at playing in craven week and the like.

    At the moment most other KZN schools feel the same way against this process, and unfortunately, and I feel for the kid, Marne might not be playing any of the derby matches unless the opposition schools strike a deal with Glenwood.

    So Basically the Sharks Rugby Union has a dirty hand in the dilemma, and that if something was not done about it, it could have turned really sour in the years to come”

    Imagine if Glenwood has 15 players that went through the age group and play for example DHS that just recruited 15 U19 players in matric who played SA schools last year. I’m sure you see the problem . . .

    Although Rob and other Sharks supporters would be doing flip flaps at the prospect of the Sharks Junior sides being made up of SA Schools players, it would just hurt all stakeholders in the long run and make SBR in KZN equivalent of the Oil trade in the world today.

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.03.12 16:10:41 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 30) : I think you’re getting very carried away here… after all, the chances that more than 1 or 2 SA Schools players would come to the Sharks in any given year are slim enough.

    Surely the answer here is to let the players themselves decide which school to attend? Or at least play open cards between the union and the school?

    Like I said, I think the real problem here is the fact that Sean Erasmus wears two hats which could introduce a pretty clear conflict of interests.

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.03.12 16:16:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The Quirk (Comment 11) : let me finish that last sentence for you.

    Kid just wants to play rugby… for money.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.03.12 16:20:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Western Cape schools started this week with their wintersport.

    Fixtures:

    Wednesday, March 14 (at Paul Roos)
    Boland Landbou vs Brackenfell
    Paarl Gym vs Swartland
    Paarl Boys’ High vs De Kuilen
    Paul Roos vs Hugenote

    Saturday, March 17
    Bosmansdam vs Eben Dönges
    Brackenfell vs Bredasdorp
    HTS Bellville vs Martin Oosthuizen
    Jan Kriel vs Fairbairn College
    JG Meiring vs Bernadino Heights
    Piketberg vs Bellville
    President vs Namaqualand
    The Settlers vs Scottsdene
    Strand vs Milnerton (all at Brackenfell Rugby Day)

    HTS Drostdy vs Union High
    Paarl Boys’ High vs Langenhoven Gym
    Porterville vs Worcester Gym (all at Porterville Rugby Day)

    Boland Landbou vs Punt
    Charlie Hofmeyr vs DF Malan
    De Kuilen vs Outeniqua
    Tygerberg vs Hugenote
    Vredenburg vs Edgemead

    Monday, March 19
    Hopefield vs Camps Bay

    Tuesday, March 20
    Schools Day at Newlands
    (Boland Landbou, Paul Roos, Paarl Gym, Paarl Boys’ High, SACS, Tygerberg, De Kuilen, DF Malan, Brackenfell and Durbanville)

    Wednesday, March 21
    Bergrivier vs Schoonspruit

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.03.12 16:21:05 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Expect a good year from the top WP schools. Even Slaapstad soutie schools will be very strong in 2012.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.03.12 16:24:12 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 34) : money is on Paarl Gym beating Grey College at Kearsney.

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.03.12 16:27:36 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : I probably am getting carried away. The chances are slim, I’m just trying to highlight the fact that its not so much Marne’s age that is a problem, its the facts that he is a SA Schools players that did not come up through the age group levels, recruited in matric and has a contract with the Sharks.

    This is all rather petty and small now, but has the potential to turn really ugly. As it is when I was in School we didn’t even get to play Glenwood as there were some other argument. If these problems aren’t understood, clarified and resolved many a SBR fan would lose the opportunity to witness these schools clash.

    I’m not sure what the answer is, but there needs to be some sort of legislation in place to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

    Totally agree with you regarding the Erasmus point.

  • Comment 36, posted at 12.03.12 16:30:56 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 36) : this highlights that changes need to be made at SBR level. In the UK a season or two ago a guy called Billy Vunipola played for Wasps while still at school. This is an 18 year old representing a Premiership club side. No one questioned this because the professional attitude of the schools, clubs and administrators.

    I think SA schools need to catch up to what happens in schools in other countries. Times have changed. Who ever said that when a SBR players takes the field for his first is potentially going for an interview is corrent. His aim and motivation may well be to play rugby professionally and so him play 1st at 18 is a stepping stone to securing a well paid contract within a union. We may or may not agree with this but its the reality of professional sport.

  • Comment 37, posted at 12.03.12 16:44:48 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Mocho (Comment 36) : there’s no love lost between Westville and Glenwood, is there?

    But yes, you are right. The issue with Marne is more the timing of his arrival, rather that his age. I’m sure there’s an equivalent amount of unhappiness about Warren Potgieter, even though the fact that he is still under 18 makes it harder for them to make a point about it.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.03.12 16:46:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 35) : Yep hope we can break their two year unbeaten run. Gimmies have been busy since the start of the year and will be far better then last year.

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  • @Villie (Comment 3) : oh come on Port Rex? :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.03.12 16:56:45 by Megatron Reply

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  • “Westville 13-9 Glenwood”

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.03.12 22:06:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 41) : a victory but possibly a sense of hollowness attached to it considering what happened a few days before. The game will be remembered for the sideshow instead of the rugby played.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.03.12 22:11:17 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 42) :
    Not for me mate! I will remember the sweet wine of victory!

    Feel bad for the kids, but I’m not gonna focus on a political issue I do not know enough about to judge right and wrong.

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  • @Mocho (Comment 30) : I do get where schools like Westville etc are coming from. BUT they also go and recruit players, maybe not of the same quality but they do recruit as does every school…if they say they dont they are lying! The fact that the Union is involved does make things tricky. However if the shoe was on the other foot and the player was sent to Westville or DHS would the same fuss be made? I remember quite a few years ago a lot of schools complained about the post matrics at Michaelhouse…the schools complained but still played them. Whether we like it or not school boy rugby is semi professional these days. The kid is just trying to finish his schooling and set himself up for a career. Let the kid play, 1 player doesnt make a team!

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.03.12 10:19:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : @robdylan (Comment 38) :
    i am amazed that an issue like this can still arise and that the Sharks structures were complicit.

    Some time ago the headmasters of the major state schools (mid 90′s) met and reached an agreement on this very issue – the private schools at a subsequent seperate meeting agreed to the same principles. In essence;
    - schoolboy rugby is U18 (as is craven Week and eligibility for SA schools selection)
    - exceptions could be made by agreement between schools to allow genuine schoolboys who were u19 to play – I remeber DHS having a player in about 2007 who had played SA Schools the year before (Tshabalala I think?) who was U19 that year but was allowed to play all games
    - the practice of keeping boys back either to repeat matric or earlier was deemed contrary to the spirit of the agreement.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.03.12 13:05:29 by steve Reply

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  • @steve (Comment 45) : Typo! – these discussions took place in the mid 2000′s – not the 90′s.
    The U18 ruling probably contributed to the demise of post matric at schools that had offered it.

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  • @steve (Comment 46) : Yeh i do remember hearing something about that. What happensto those guys that are u19 though…are they forced to go to the clubs? Or do they just form part of the academy whilst they are still in school? In just seems that those guys are kinda left in limbo at the moment. I do see the reasoning of disallowing u19s to play if there are a few of them…but if its just 1 guy? Does he really make that big a difference?

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : I think that the idea was to allow the odd “genuine” schoolboy who was U19 to play 1stXV – they were clearly not eligible for craven week – but to discourage the practise of keeping boys back purely for rugby.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.03.12 15:36:05 by steve Reply

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  • WBHS Response to the Marne issue.

    HIGH SCHOOL RUGBY AGREEMENT

    It is a pity that the media have seen fit to sensationalise the debate that is currently occurring regarding the
    eligibility of players representing high school Rugby teams. I regret to devote an entire page of my
    newsletter to an issue such as this, but in the interests of clearing up the misinformation, I take this
    opportunity to give you an explanation.

    You might be aware that several schools regard Rugby strength as a major focus in their marketing
    campaigns. Several years ago, the Headmasters of the leading Rugby high schools got together to find a
    solution to the post-matric problem as it was clear that certain schools were accused of recruiting Rugby
    players who were not regarded as bona fide high school students. Many of these players were Under 19
    and had already completed Matric, and it was clear to all that they had been recruited to bolster Rugby
    strength. At that time the Headmasters were considering an Under-18 age restriction for school Rugby to
    fall in line with Craven Week requirements, to enhance safety, and to control the unethical recruitment of
    players who were not bona fide school pupils. The feeling was that Under 19 players should fall under club
    Rugby structures. However, this conflicted with the constitutions of the national and provincial Rugby
    organisations who stipulated that an Under 19 age-restriction applies to school Rugby. The Headmasters
    therefore decided to allow Under 19 players to participate in school Rugby, provided they had come
    through the ranks of the school (i.e. at least from Grade 10).

    We take offence to a comment regarding ‘hypocrisy’ that appeared in a local newspaper report last week.
    WBHS usually has no more than one Under 19 player in its 1 st team, whereas several of our opponents may
    have up to four or five such players in their sides. Our sole Under 19 player this year has been at the school
    since Grade 10, he has not repeated at WBHS, and he started off as a 3 rd team player. The other Under 19
    players we have played against or will be playing against this season are all regarded as legitimate in terms
    of the letter and the spirit of the existing Headmaster’s agreement.

    We are aware that schools still adopt the practice of aggressively recruiting established players in Grade 11
    or 12 to bolster their 1 st Rugby teams, and WBHS has lost a number of good players as a result of this
    practice. Such schools might also seek to recruit Under 18 players. However, due to the spirit of the current
    agreement, objections can only be raised in respect of Under 19 players.

    As reported in last week’s newspaper article, my quote was: The robust debate this year arose regarding
    the players new to schools in 1 st teams in Grade 11 or 12 who are Under 19. A school might regard such
    players as being in line with the letter of the agreement, while others might regard this as being against the
    spirit of the agreement. Westville’s stance is the latter. This year the status of Under 19 schoolboy Rugby
    players has been raised by the principals of the leading boys’ Rugby high schools as it appeared that there
    are differences in interpretation of the existing agreements for domestic fixtures. This impacted on the
    Westville-Glenwood match which is one of the first high-profile fixtures of the season. The two schools
    discussed these differences of opinion and explored various ways of resolving the issue, one possibility being
    to apply an Under 18 age-restriction in line with Craven Week regulations. However, the two schools have
    agreed that the match will in fact go ahead with the Under 19 players who have come through our ranks
    from Grade 10.
    To their credit, Glenwood decided to withdraw the Under 19 player in respect of whom we had objected.

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.03.12 21:05:45 by Mocho Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 49) : petty bullshit if you ask me

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.03.12 21:42:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Pretty from Westville. Maritzburg College would have never raised this as a concern :)

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.03.12 22:15:53 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Robdylan, it’s petty from Westville as they have an Under19 player too in Buthelezi, it’s only because Marne has been at Glenwood for 9 months that they feel hard down by. His family moved to Durban so it’s a genuine move. Also, hypocritical from Westville as they played George Campbell the week before with 4 Under 19 players. I wonder if Westville will ask Hilton to remove ex Westville boy, Cameron Wright from their team. Westville think they can just run the show….

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.03.12 22:19:09 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Oh yes, to add Westville claim he is too big at 115kg, what rubbish. Glenwood have had bigger players over the years and had no complaint. John Roy Jenkinson was 120kg at school. I wonder why they did not want Westerman (ex College) and Warren Potgieter (ex EG Jansen) removed from the team too. It’s just not kosher from Westville to make demands not backed by proper agreements…

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 53) :

    I remember when Michaelhouse had Attie Pienaar in their team in 1999 at 3 – he was about 130 kg and was the only guy in their team who didnt wear a scrumcap because there wasnt one big enough to fit his head.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.03.12 22:32:49 by Pat Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 53) : I think this was only done to unsettle Glenwood. If there were concerns about his elgibility they would have been raised in advance of the season starting. Since there are no rules no one can dicate who plays where only that the player in question needs to be of the correct age. Forget agreements this needs something in black and white.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.03.12 22:33:33 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Pat, I remember in the 90′s Michaelhouse had about 8 post matrics each year all 19 years old and our little 16 and 17 year olds used to battle. Glenwood never moaned back then and just got on with it. @Slammerboy, agreed, it should be changed to Under18 only and must be at the school for a year and that would clear up everything. I mean only Under 18′s can make Craven Week so what is the point of Under 19′s playing school rugby, they should be playing club level. The fuss is that Glenwood did not break any current agreements or rules and that suddenly Westville held them to ransom by refusing to play because of one player, ridiculous!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.03.12 22:38:39 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Jeez schoolboy rugby in Natal has changed since I was at school.

    And I’m not talking about all the hunna-hunna above.

    When I was at school both Glenwood and Westville were easy beats! So excuse me if I find it a little difficult to take them and their little rivalry more seriously now.

    Glenwood v DHS used to be a big game. College v DHS used to be big. Kearsney v Hilton v Michaelmas used to be big. But Glenwood v Westville? Used to just be another fixture…

    Lol.

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.03.12 00:20:15 by siorc Reply

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  • @Mocho (Comment 49) : To this I’d like to ask the question (to which I know the answer)

    The guy who joined WBHS from Abu Dhabi on scholarship in 2010 (Grade 11) and turned 20 in February this year who was obviously NOT u/18 for last years match against Glenwood. Did he play against Glenwood for WBHS 1st’s last year? Did Glenwood moan?

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.03.12 06:51:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) : they’ll argue that it doesn’t matter because he joined in Gr 11, not Gr 12…

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.03.12 07:42:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • From that response from Westville, they make it seem like they dont recruit players…hahaha what a laugh! Who do they think they fooling? They went from a super average rugby school to being one of the top in KZN and the country…did these players just move into the Westville area? haha Lets be serious, every school recruits players to the best of their ability, whether they like to admit it or not. SO stop the moaning and just get on with the rugby…if you lose you lose. Tough sh*t! KZN schools are starting to sound like whining Aussies!

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.03.12 08:35:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • We have the same thing in the WC regarding Bishops and their post matrics. Paarl Gim were the only ones playing them with their U19s.

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.03.12 09:19:30 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Hope you lot dont mind updating this thread. Season is about to start and myself walking line each saturday love the schoolboy sport.

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.03.12 09:05:24 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Weekend results: Rugby365
    Eastern Cape

    Brackenfell vs Aliwal North, 19-12
    Despatch vs DF Malan, 39-18
    Die Brandwag vs Aliwal-North, 36-0
    Die Brandwag vs Louis Botha, 13-12
    Die Brandwag vs Solomon Mahlangu, 74-3
    Dirkie Uys vs Otto du Plessis, 20-13
    Graeme vs Itembelihle, 20-13
    Grens vs Knysna, 22-3
    Grey vs SACS, 36-12
    Hermanus vs Hudson Park, 14-13
    Hudson Park vs Walvis Bay, 26-13
    Hugenote vs Pearson, 24-7
    Michaelhouse vs St Andrew’s, 19-17
    Montagu vs Aliwal North, 17-10
    New Orleans vs HTS Newton, 27-7
    Nico Malan vs Kearsney, 34-24
    Piketberg vs Westering, 58-15
    Port Rex vs Monument Park, 15-6
    Queen’s College vs DHS, 23-3
    Sao Bras vs Alexander Road, 28-20
    Selborne vs Framesby, 12-10
    Stellenbosch vs Grens, 45-0

    Free State/Griqualand West

    Bethlehem Voortrekker vs Helpmekaar, 22-21
    Bothaville vs Hoërskool Kroonstad (Blouskool), 22-9
    Brandfort vs Hennenman, 24-7
    Diamantveld vs Hermanus, 21-3
    Diamantveld vs Oakdale, 19-19
    Die Brandwag vs Louis Botha, 13-12
    Garsfontein vs HTS Witbank, 101-3
    Garsfontein vs Wonderboom, 55-23
    Grey vs Hentie Cilliers, 37-25
    Harrismith vs Balfour, 43-0
    HTS Welkom vs Fichardtpark, 15-14
    Noord-Kaap vs Tygerberg, 33-13
    Noordheuwel vs Driehoek, 23-6
    Parys vs Wessel Maree, 26-3
    Paul Erasmus vs Welkom High, 8-0
    President Steyn vs Burgersdorp, 26-12
    Retief vs Reitz, 10-6
    Riebeeckstad vs Hoërskool Bloemfontein, 23-10
    Sarel Cilliers vs HTS Sasolburg, 19-0
    Schoonspruit vs AHS Sasolburg, 25-14
    Sentraal vs AHS Kroonstad (Rooiskool), 19-17
    Wilgerivier vs Leeuwenhof, 25-21

    KwaZulu Natal
    Hilton vs Bishops, 13-11
    Michaelhouse vs St Andrew’s, 19-17
    Nico Malan vs Kearsney, 34-24
    Port Natal vs President, 47-10
    Queen’s College vs DHS, 23-3
    Sarel Cilliers (Glencoe) vs HTS Sasolburg, 19-0

    Northvaal

    Ben Vorster vs Oos-Moot, 66-0
    Bethlehem Voortrekker vs Helpmekaar, 22-21
    Capricorn vs Settlers, 24-10
    EG Jansen vs Rustenburg, 59-18
    Garsfontein vs HTS Welkom, 101-3
    HTS John Vorster vs Roodepoort, 35-3
    HTS Middelburg vs Centurion , 24-22
    Heron Bridge College vs King David Victory Park, 50-24
    Jeppe vs St John’s, 21-17
    Krugersdorp High vs Fourways, 5-0
    KES vs St Alban’s, 62-10
    Linden vs Springs Boys’ High, 43-10
    Louis Trichardt vs Erasmus, 16-6
    Menlopark vs Drostdy, 21-17
    Montana (Pretoria) vs Merensky, 20-17
    Monument vs Transvalia, 38-28
    St Stithians vs Pretoria Boys High, 17-14
    Tom Naudé vs Frans du Toit, 17-6
    Trinityhouse vs Northcliff, 7-0Waterkloof vs Affies, 23-16

    Western Cape

    Albert Myburg vs Hawston, 13-12
    Augsburg Gym vs Walvis Bay, 22-3
    Brackenfell vs Aliwal North, 19-12
    Bellville vs Montagu, 20-5
    Bellville vs Overberg, 30-15
    Despatch vs DF Malan, 39-18
    Diamantveld vs Hermanus, 21-3
    Dirkie Uys vs Otto du Plessis, 20-13
    Durbanville vs Bredasdorp, 12-7
    Emil Weder vs Table View, 23-0
    Grens vs Knysna, 22-3
    Grey PE vs SACS, 36-12
    Hawston vs Uniondale, 48-3
    Hermanus vs Hudson Park, 14-13
    Hilton vs Bishops, 13-11
    Hopefield vs Camps Bay, 34-6
    Hudson Park vs Walvis Bay, 26-13
    Hugenote vs Pearson, 24-7
    Klein Nederburg vs Scottsdene, 38-20
    Labori vs Edgemead, 35-5
    Langeberg vs Bellville South, 21-18
    Langenhoven Gym vs Durbanville, 22-0
    Langenhoven High vs Hopefield, 21-17
    Menlopark vs Drostdy, 21-17
    Montagu vs Aliwal North, 17-10
    Montana vs York, 12-3
    Monument Park vs Sentraal (Beaufort West), 15-7
    New Orleans vs HTS Newton, 27-7
    Noord-Kaap vs Tygerberg, 33-13
    Oakdale vs Augsburg Gym, 10-6
    Oakdale vs Diamantveld, 19-19
    Overberg vs Knysna, 53-0
    Paul Roos vs Westville, 38-10
    Piketberg vs Westering, 58-15
    Porterville vs Milnerton, 14-10
    Port Natal vs President, 47-10
    Port Rex vs Monument Park, 15-6
    Sao Bras vs Alexander Road, 28-20
    Schoonspruit vs Bergrivier, 19-13
    Schoonspruit vs De Kuilen, 23-14
    Stellenbosch vs Grens, 45-0
    Stellenbosch vs Brackenfell, 26-0
    Strand vs Bredasdorp, 38-14
    Swartland vs Oudtshoorn, 29-18
    Swellendam vs Bosmansdam, 17-5
    Vredenburg vs JG Meiring, 13-13
    Vredendal vs Sentraal (Beaufort West), 41-0

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.03.12 09:06:57 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Paarl Gims U16 Tournament starts on saturday on my stoep. Per Gimmies school site:
    “Paarl Gimnasium bied vanaf 31 Maart 2012 vir die 20ste keer sy jaarlikse onder 16 toernooi aan. Agt-en-twintig van die land se top skole speel rugby, netbal en hokkie op 31 Maart, 2 April en 4 April
    Tradisioneel het skooltoernooie grotendeels gefokus op die onder 18 vlak. Die formaat van hierdie toernooi bied egter aan spelers ‘n geleentheid om teen top skole buite hulle provinsies te kompeteer op ‘n bykans provinsiale vlak.

    Van die 50 spelers wie ingesluit is in die SA onder 16 rugby-groep van 2011 is 27 afkomstig vanaf die skole wie aan die PG toernooi van 2011 deelgeneem het.

    Vyf van die top ses FNB Top 20 rugby-skole in 2011, neem aan die Paarl Gimnasium toernooi deel. (1. Grey College Bloemfontein 2. Afrikaans Hoër Seunskool 4. HJS 5. Monument 6. Waterkloof)

    Die PG onder 16 toernooi is die enigste van sy soort in die land. Paarl en die Kaapse wynlande-omgewing en ook die feit dat HJS se onder 15 rugbytoernooi op die dieselfde tyd plaasvind, dra daartoe by dat die toernooi in grootte en omvang gegroei het na iets soortgelyks aan die welbekende Paas-rugbyfeeste elders in SA.

    Vanjaar vier die toernooi sy 20ste bestaansjaar met die insluiting van ’n Paarl Rugby-uitnodigingXV wat gekies word uit die top spelers van nie-deelnemende skole uit die Drakenstein omgewing. (Klein-Nederburg, Paulus Joubert, Hugenote, New Orleans, Bergrivier Hoër, ens.). Die span word deur die baie bekwame Athol Ontong (Boland Cravenweek, Grant Khomo en o.19 afrigter) afgerig. PUMA het ingestem om hierdie span volledig uit te rus vir die toernooi.

    Besoek http://u16rugbytournament.rgcms.co.za/ vir meer inligting

    Deelnemende spanne:

    Gauteng: Afrikaans Hoër Seunskool, Centurion, EG Jansen, Garsfontein, Monument, Waterkloof, Kempton Park

    Wes-Kaap: Boland Landbou, Brackenfell, Gimnasium, Hoër Jongenskool Paarl, Paul Roos, Tygerberg, Stellenberg, Hugenote, Hoër Meisieskool Paarl, Paarl XV

    Oos/Suid-Kaap: Framesby, Marlow, Oudtshoorn, Outeniqua, Punt, Pearson

    Vrystaat/Noord-Kaap/Noordwes: Diamantveld, Grey Kollege, Rustenburg

    KwaZulu-Natal: Glenwood, Michael house”

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.03.12 09:09:45 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • I also found an interesting school stat from the tournament site which I want to share.

    Paarl and the Stellenbosch region play an important part in SA rugby providing players. Thats why I put this piece of information together to see why rugby is a kind of a religion in this area from grade 1 to 12. Always good to see the figures and stats of specially our top schools with your own area and also the amount of mix and boy schools at the top of SA rugby.

    Schools Scholrs / Boys/ Rugby Teams/ Players/ Rugby% /SA Ranking
    Grey Kollege 1,200 / 1,200/ 28/ 420/ 35%/ 1
    Affies 1,207 / 1,207/ 30/ 450/ 37.3%/ 2
    Monument 1,545 / 620/ 18/ 270/ 43.5%/ 5
    Waterkloof 1,300/ 650/ 18/ 270/ 41.5%/ 6

    Paarl Boishaai 894 / 894/ 26/ 390/ 43.6%/ 4
    Paarl Gim 1,096 / 581/ 19/ 285/ 49.1%/ 15
    Paul Roos 1,167 / 1,167/ 26/ 390/ 33.4%/ 16
    BolLandbou 338 / 338/ 18/ 270/ 79.9%/

    Glenwood 1,200/1,200/35/525/ 43.8%/ 14
    Michaelhouse 555/555/22/330/ 59.5%

    Monnas, Klofies and Paarl Gim boys and girls schools.

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.03.12 09:22:30 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Glenwoods U16s doing great at Paarl Gym tournament.

    Beating Affies 24-17 on saturday, losing 33-10 to Paul Roos yesterday and Paarl Gim on wednesday.

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.04.12 10:44:31 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Michaelhouse beat Boland Landbou 18-8 on saturday, lost to EG Jansen 15-13 yesterday and will play Boishaai tomorrow in the last match.

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.04.12 10:47:00 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 67) : this the U16s tournament?

    Going be some serious rugby at Kearsney this Easter. For those of you attending, enjoy it

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.04.12 18:29:22 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 68) :
    Yes today is the last day.

    Will you lot keep us up to date with the Kearsney scores? Paarl Gym is playing Grey Bloem and Affies in a few days and its going to be HUGE for us Gim supporters.

    Maybe a good idea if the mods can open a thread on this one.

    Link to the detail
    http://www.rugby365.com/schools/news/2866824.htm

  • Comment 69, posted at 04.04.12 07:34:22 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Paarl Gim 31-7 Glenwood on the last day. Michaelhouse losing 25-6 to Boishaai.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.04.12 12:00:32 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • Paarl Gym broke Grey Bloems 2 years unbeaten streak @ Kearsney. 45-29. Gimmies will be huge this year, Pollard will be prominent.

    Results for the tournament
    http://www.kearsney.com/index.php/news/easterrugbyfestival/festival-fixtures-2012

    Waars Beet as jy hom nodig het?

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.04.12 14:26:10 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 71) : I saw that. Great result for Gimmies. On Twitter Grey College admitted to not having a strong XV this year. According to their U16 results this week they will have a decent year in 2013.

    Parly Boys High trashed a school from England 72 – 0 in Joz

    By all accounts Paul Roos v Queens could be the big game today

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.04.12 14:31:36 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 71) : Great result for Gim.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.04.12 14:32:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Gimmies had a tough year last year. Only the Interschools saved their season. Cant remember since when they had such a bad year and I have been close to them since 2001. Our U16 , U15 and U14 took a tumble against Grey the last couple of days. Know Louis Koen is doing some great work here and not afraid getting involved with the laaities coaching.

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.04.12 14:36:35 by PaarlBok Reply

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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 74) : I reckon Gimmies and Paul Roos will be in the top 3 this year. Paul Roos have given Queens a hard time in their fixture today!

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.04.12 15:37:11 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 75) : We played them already on Newlands. Paul Roos laaities think they are Maties already and it wasnt a good game. Bit of handbags throwing around and dont like when the Bloedworse get to that standard. We will play them in Paarl on 12 May and hope we bliksem them. They stole our bloedwors jerseys in 1910. Bliksems.

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.04.12 16:13:26 by PaarlBok Reply

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