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Steyn return looking increasingly likely


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 21 Mar 2012 at 09:40
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Reports linking Frans Steyn to a Sharks return seem to be gathering pace, with Beeld’s Christo Buchner obtaining further confirmation from the union that talks are progressing.

Sharks CEO Brian van Zyl yesterday told Buchner that he expects the negotiations to be finalised within the next two weeks and that the Sharks hope to sign Steyn for at least three years. This confirms what was reported yesterday, with Steyn then slated to be available to the Sharks on completion of the mid-year test series against England. Once again, this is all dependent on a Springbok contract being in the offing to top up Steyn’s wages – he’s obviously taking a big pay cut on his R7m a year Racing Metro salary to come back to South Africa but will need the national body to help the Sharks soften that blow.

That should bring him into the selection frame for the last two round-robin matches, against the Bulls and the Cheetahs in Durban; however, as pointed out by Gavin Rich on the SuperSport website yesterday, the Sharks might well end up with a fight on their hands should they wish to include Steyn in any potential knock-out action. It’s not yet clear what SANZAR’s eligibility rules will be ahead of this year’s finals series, but if last year’s fiasco in anything to go by (the Stormers raised hackles by importing Saracens player Schalk Brits), Steyn’s two games might not be enough to ensure qualification.

It is, however, premature to assume that any player, regardless of pedigree, will walk straight into the starting line up and with the way the Sharks backs (and centres in particular) are performing this season, that will no doubt apply in Steyn’s case as well.



97 Comments

  • When Steyn joins up…

    Our centres should be Steyn, Whitehead, Jordaan and JPP. Bosman should be considered only as a 10 when Steyn joins up with the team.

    During CC with Boks gone our centres will likely be Whitehead, Jordaan, Joubert and Mjekevu…Bosman will be at 10. JPP and Steyn will very likely be with the Boks.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.03.12 09:50:28 by JJR Reply
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  • If he does come back I just hope he doesn’t come back like MJ did.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.03.12 09:50:36 by lostfish Reply
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  • Love the thought of Frans back, but have empathy for those young stars starting to make a name for themselves. Marius Joubert must join Andre Pretorius at the Leopards… and Meyer Bosman should become a fulltime Flyhalf… Wandile and JPP and Whitehead and Jordaan and Frans Steyn will be our centres… Fantastic… That makes it even more vital for rotation as you replace stars with stars… A dream team situation…

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.03.12 09:50:59 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 1) : We are on similar frequencies it seems. Same thinking.

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.03.12 09:53:26 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • I believe he ONLY wants to play 12 – will we see a position specific clause in his contract?

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.03.12 09:53:28 by Morné Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 4) : Yup :smile:

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.03.12 10:00:09 by JJR Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 5) : Are trying to put the guy in even further bad light?

    We established Yesterday that in the original report in Rapport newspaper it was NOT Steyn who said he only wants to play 12 in the future.

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.03.12 10:34:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 5) : That’s very likely I think.

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.03.12 10:34:52 by Ben Reply

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  • @lostfish (Comment 2) : You see him play in France every week right? What kind of shape is he in?

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.03.12 10:37:08 by Ben Reply

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  • Play him at 15..

    Our centres are good enough..

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.03.12 10:45:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 8) : Oh come oooooon!!!! How many players have such clauses in their contracts?

    Just an attempt to create controversy IMO.

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.03.12 10:45:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 9. Mcleod 10. Lambie 12. Steyn 13. JP Pietersen 14. Odwa 11. Mvovo 15. Riaan Viljoen (although I’d be tempted to playwhite head at 14 instead of Odwa, he is lacking acceleration these days…)

    I reckon that’s our strongest backline, with which we need to start with most games, especially when traveling. I feel for the youngsters, but they must understand that they are the depth that makes a team what they really are.

    We could have some lethal backline shuffles, with the likes of Michlak, Bosman, Whitehead and Ludik coming on to close out the game.

    The Sharks must learn to get out of the blocks faster. We can’t afford to always play come-back rugby. We need to dominate for 60 minutes, making sure we wear them down and then inject the above boyjties to seal the deal!

    BOOM! Go Sharkies!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.03.12 10:50:36 by theDeleted Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) :

    Well since you have established this is not the case then a simple; “No I don’t think so” is a good enough answer.

    How was this established btw?

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.03.12 10:53:11 by Morné Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 10) : Our 15 is good enough too imo.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.03.12 11:00:55 by Ben Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : Look Steyn had bad blood with the Sharks because they stuffed him around. They might put something like that in his contract to reassure him it won’t happen again.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.03.12 11:04:52 by Ben Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 13) :

    From the Rapport article below it is clear that it is not Frans Steyn who said it or else he would have been “quoted” or as a minimum it would have been in a paragraph with his thoughts rather than one concerning Heyneke Meyer’s thoughts and comments.

    J.J. Harmse
    Pretoria – “Coach, die dag as jy die Springbokke afrig, kom ek terug Suid-Afrika toe.”

    Dié onderneming wat Frans Steyn op 27 Augustus 2010 aan Heyneke Meyer gegee het, staan nou breed in die blom – en Rapport se inligting is dat dié gesogte Springbok se terugkeer Suid-Afrika toe ’n besliste moontlikheid is.

    Steyn moet binnekort moeilike keuses oor sy toekoms as oorsese speler maak, maar die kans is uitstekend dat die roepstem van sy geboorteland en die onderneming aan Meyer deurslaggewend gaan wees.

    Steyn gaan waarskynlik terug Sharks toe, waar hy voor sy Racing Metro-dae al sy provinsiale rugby gespeel het.

    Sy terugkeer is ook die eerste skuif deur Meyer om die Bokke dadelik mededingend te maak. Meyer het kort ná sy aanstelling gesê hy gaan nie (soos sy voorgangers, Peter de Villiers en Jake White) verswakte Bok-spanne kies nie.

    Elke Bokspan moet die beste beskikbare een wees – en Meyer glo duidelik dat die teenwoordigheid van Steyn, wat hy as binnesenter wil kies, noodsaaklik is daarvoor.

    Steyn gaan voortaan net binnesenter speel.

    Sy agent, Gerrie Swart, het vandeesweek aan Rapport bevestig dat Steyn dit ernstig oorweeg om sy rugby weer hier te kom speel, al gaan dit beteken dat hy ’n finansiële verlies ly.

    “Sy hoofoorweging en belangrikste oogmerk is nie geld nie. Hy het doelstellings vir sy loopbaan vorentoe. ’n Belangrike een is om in samewerking met spanmaats en afrigters trofeë te wen. Dit sluit die 2015-Wêreldbeker sowel as ’n Super-rugby-titel in,” het Swart gesê.

    “Eers wil Frans egter vir Racing Metro help om die Franse Top-14 te probeer wen.

    “Frans wil graag vir die Bokke speel – en met Heyneke wat hom reeds gekontak en ingelig het wat van hom verwag word om in die toekoms vir die Bokke gekies te word, is hy bereid om geld in sy sak op te offer daarvoor,” het Swart gesê.

    * Steyn het sedert sy Bok-debuut teen Ierland in 2006 in 47 toetse gespeel: op losskakel (5 toetse), senter (20 toetse), vleuel (3 toetse) en heelagter (19 toetse). Sy bydraes as binnesenter was die deurslaggewendste.

    Dít was ook sy voorkeur-posisie in 2007 en 2011 se Wêreldbekertoernooie.

    Dit lyk of Meyer reeds Steyn se naam as binnesenter neergeskryf het vir die eerste toets teen Engeland in Durban – en dat hy Steyn as ’n sleutelspeler sien vir die pad vorentoe en die Wêreldbekertoernooi van 2015.

    Steyn was in 2007 die jongste speler ooit om die Webb Ellis-trofee te wen en hy was in 2011 se toernooi in Nieu-Seeland een van die Bokke se beste spelers.

    How many players have such a clause in their contracts? Hardly any I’m sure. And to try and plant the seed that maybe Frans Steyn will have one serves nothing more than to put him in a bad light IMO.

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.03.12 11:06:40 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 15) : Where did you read or hear that there was bad blood between him and the Sharks? :shock:

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.03.12 11:07:51 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 17) : Why do you think it is that most thought he won’t come back to the Sharks?

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.03.12 11:10:11 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 18) : I thought he wouldn’t come back because he would stay in France.

    In my opinion MOST people didn’t think he wouldn’t come back because he was messed around by the Sharks. And if it was the reason it doesn’t mean he left because their was bad blood between him and the Sharks? I’d still like to see that quoted somewhere.

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.03.12 11:21:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : Well that’s what I heard. On here. Can’t remember from who but it was from various people.

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.03.12 11:24:09 by Ben Reply

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  • Some said that Steyn said if he comes back to SA he will go back to the Sharks and others said he won’t be coming back to the Sharks because they stuffed him around too much.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.03.12 11:29:01 by Ben Reply

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  • Rob what’s your take on this. Do you think there were bad blood between him and the Sharks?

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.03.12 11:31:08 by Ben Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) :

    And THAT is how you established it?

    Sorry to break this to you but you did not establish a thing, you deduced from the information in the public domain that he won’t insist to play at 12 exclusively because he was not quoted directly .

    It’s an assumption, and one no different from the opposite point of view.

    You think players or any team will make public the terms of his contract while still under negotiation?

    And of course it’s not the norm to have position specific clauses in a standard contract, but earning R7-million a year is also not the norm now is it?

    And while it might not be the norm, it is definitely happening – just ask Robbie Fleck what part of the deal they could not match when they lost Sadie.

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.03.12 11:55:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) : I’ve heard there were some issues with individuals… details are sketchy though.

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.03.12 12:01:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 22) :

    Frans is a lot more matured than he was a couple of years ago. Personally I think its best if he joins the Sharks. Looking forward to having him back.

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.03.12 12:09:02 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 23) : Do you really think that JJ Harmse (or ANY journalist) would pass up the oppertunity to quote a player on, or mention that a player has said, something like that? Mentioning that a player will only play if he is gaurenteed a certain position will make the article “sell” like hot cakes.

    If there was any inkling that the player said something like that it would have been mentioned.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.03.12 12:12:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 25) : I agree with you…

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.03.12 12:13:27 by Ben Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 23) : you and oubaas wanna get a room, like all the other lovers? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.03.12 12:15:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think if a player is so obviously in a different class to your other options, the Union must be responsible enough to allow that player some perks.
    Frans will be the best backline player on our books, if he wants to play only at 12 we should indulge him just to hang on to him.

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.03.12 12:17:19 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) :

    Do you see any reference that JJ (or any journo) actually spoke to Steyn? His agent is quoted in the article.

    And again, do you think Steyn (or his agent) will raise conditions of his contract while still under negotiation?

    Issues surrounding the Sadie departure came months after the deal was signed.

    And just for the record. Have I painted Sadie in any bad light as a player or individual for his decision? Never. Not in one comment or article – if fact, I wished the lad well and kudo’s to him for being good enough to negotiate such a condition. So why would I ‘try’ to paint Steyn in a bad light for something like this?

    For your information the purpose of my question was more to highlight a trend that seems to develop in rugby of late – not that it matters but there you have it.

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.03.12 12:20:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) :

    Haha, me and Oubaas haven’t had a proper since… that illegal try by the Bulls in 2010!

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.03.12 12:22:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : I don’t remember you raising the Question of the existance of a clause in Sadie’s contract either, then why raise it now?

    Highlight a trend? Where have I been? What have I missed? How many players have these clauses in their contracts lately?

    So his agent is quoted in the article, great. If his agent mentioned it then it would still have been quoted. It is a one liner that was thrown in the article, if Harmse had ANY knowledge of either the agent or Steyn saying so he would have mentioned it, believe me.

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.03.12 12:34:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) : why capitalise Question? Are you morphing into JJ?

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.03.12 12:35:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : DUDE!!!!

    He’s a WP supporter how can you even SUGGEST I get a room with him? :shock: :shock:

    :razz:

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.03.12 12:36:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : heheheheee That was an “A”ccident. :razz:

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.03.12 12:37:48 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Realy hope the deal goes through, will be great to have him back.

    Steyn at 12, Whitehead 13, JPP back to 14 and can cover 13.

    Bosman utility back and can focus on 10backup.

    Lets not get too exited and jinx the deal.

    Pleae get Steyn.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.03.12 12:42:06 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) :

    If you don’t remember I cannot help you.

    And I said my bit on why neither Gerrie nor Steyn would say anything in the middle of contract negotiations – nothing more to add.

    The fact however that he specifically highlighted Heyneke’s plan for him (his position) for the Boks and the historical blow-out’s when a Bok is not played in the same position at his union is well documented over the years and quite telling.

    And since the Sharks are very dependent on SA Rugby for his top-up contract as Rob mentioned in this article, even further suggests that his return would be subject to specific conditions.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.03.12 12:44:12 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 37) : That reminds me of a point from the article that I was going to ask.

    Why are the Sharks dependent on SARU to top up his contract? Surely he is going to have the SARU contract no matter which SA franchise he plays for?

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.03.12 12:53:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : I think Fransie would want or need a Bok contract regardless of which SA team he represents. He will have it written into his contract with the Sharks that he’s free to leave (to go overseas) if his Bok contract is not renewed. I’m told Bissie and Jannie have those clauses too.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.03.12 12:57:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • In a recent sports glossy Plum was quite candid about the heartache and frustration at The Tank about losses such as Butch, Ruan, Brad and Frans and discussed frankly what had happened… In Steyn’s case he admitted The team stuffed him around, but the major problem came in was when P.Divvy came to The Tank to talk with Steyn; what was meant to be a meeting to offer peace became quite tense with Div refusing to be ‘dictated to’ Frans was looking for a reason to stay, Div gave him a reason to go. I welcome Frans back, if you look at a highlight reel you will know, this boy is a legend… I don’t blame him for a Super Final loss, one moment doesn’t make a grudge. Bury the hatchett – welcome back one of the most talented rugby players ever. Frans is incredible!

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.03.12 13:06:12 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Yes that does make sense and is only fair, but they are not dependent on the Bok contract from a direct financial point of view?

    As an example he wants to earn 2Mil a year and Saru pay 0,5 and the Sharks pay 1,5. then if Saru decide to only pay 0,4 the Sharks have to pay 1,6?

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.03.12 13:06:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) : @robdylan (Comment 39) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 41) :

    What is stated quite clearly and has been for some time is money is not the real issue for Frans – more, that he is ‘guaranteed’ of a Bok contract.

    I would imagine the union he ends up with will also then be the union who best compliments his Bok and personal ambitions – ie. where he has the best possible chance to become and be a Bok regular.

    At the moment, looking at inside center he has to unseat a guy that has been first choice since 2006 and playing some decent rugby at the moment in JDV.

    Realistically, Heyneke will only be able to justify his selection over JDV if he plays and outperforms him in the same position at his union otherwise the media will have a field-day especially the Cape brigade.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.03.12 13:12:00 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :

    And yes I also heard that – the escape clause if they lose Bok contracts – JPP is apparently another one.

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.03.12 13:13:24 by Morné Reply
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  • I dont hope whitehead goes to the bench because of this.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.03.12 13:15:41 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 44) :

    Timmy can pay 13 as-well. JPP has been great at 13 but my personal feeling is he is still our best 14.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.03.12 13:17:44 by Morné Reply
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  • Frans Steyn is an inside centre; Pat Lambie is a flyhalf – JPP, well we will wait and see. Bismarck is a hooker, Ali Hargreaves a lock. Players are entitled to specialize in an position, but obviously becomes controversial if they are a guaranteed starter…

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.03.12 13:19:40 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 45) : I am gonna agree with you on that point.

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.03.12 13:23:01 by Ice Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 41) : no, definitely not

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.03.12 13:40:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : your sauce and mine are the same sauce…

    same sauce who swore blind steyn would go to the Cheetahs…

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.03.12 13:41:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : :lol: and Rob Linde is the best lock in Europe? :lol:

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.03.12 13:46:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : The only sauce that will never let you down is the Dirkie sauce at Spur. This is known.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.03.12 13:47:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 50) :

    This one I actually got from Dirkie! :lol:

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.03.12 15:25:22 by Morné Reply
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  • The most important from all this right NOW is that Whitehead and Bosman doesn’t get unsettled with this news and keep performing to the best of their abilities.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.03.12 15:27:48 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 53) : Yep; the eagle hasn’t landed yet, they must focus on their games, and show coach why he invested them…

    It was classic to see Bosman being panned again on another site “for poor distribution” that guy has a silky pass… People only seem to see one mistake as a total diagnosis of a player and his performance.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.03.12 16:01:28 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • Backline with Steyn back…we might be getting ahead of ourselves a bit cos, we don’t even know if Steyn will be allowed to feature in the knockouts for us.

    But i like-

    9.Mcloed
    10.Lambie
    11.JPP
    12.Steyn
    13.Whitehead
    14.Ndungane/Mvovo…obviously Mvovo would go 11 and JPP 14 of mvovo starts.
    15.Viljoen

    Bench-

    Bosman flyhalf cover, Jordaan centre and wing cover…one of Ndungane/Mvovo will drop out of 22…i would(personally) say Mvovo this year to drop out…as Ndungane would provide good fullback cover for Viljoen.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.03.12 16:13:51 by JJR Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 54) : Bosman’s passing has been far off this season so far, he is usually spot on…and just take a look at the stats and see how many ball carries our 13 has in a game with Bosman at 12…very little, mainly because Bosman is obsessed with his skip pass…he really needs to choose the right times to use that flat skip pass of his…cos it is a great weapon when used correctly and at the right times.

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.03.12 16:16:55 by JJR Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) :

    i think the problem with some jernos is when a player says something like ‘I would prefer to play 12 ‘ they translate it as ‘he will only play 12′.

    small changing in wording but means totally 2 different things :P

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.03.12 16:28:00 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 55) : Yes but JP and Lambie can cover FB already.

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.03.12 16:28:19 by Ben Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 55) : Dropping Mvovo is a big call… Dropping Odwa is also a big call, but like Ludik his greatest strength may also be his weakness, he is nothing more, he is nothing less… He is consisten sure, but if you’re going to have such a talented backline, you need to be a little ruthless to the opposition and opt for out and out fire power…

    So my change would be to have JPP at 14 (as this is where he is also at The Boks, prior to centre ambitions), and to me Mvovo is leading contender for Bok number 11.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.03.12 16:40:11 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @JJR (Comment 56) : Indeed; by no means singing his praises, but he is far from the kak they make him out to be, I actually really dig Bosman, but as you say, needs a little variance…

    But The Sharks are talking to Fransie for a reason; Meyer Bosman and Marius Joubert will be under fire. And no one in this country can compare to Francois Steyn. One of the finest rugby players on the planet. And IMO he is an out and out inside centre, with the big boots that both he and Viljoen hold, Steyn’s boot can be used more tactically…

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.03.12 16:43:19 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 60) : That or we will see Steyn and Viljoen bomb 60m drop kicks every second movement… My boot is bigger than yours! No mine!

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.03.12 16:44:25 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • now this is how the sharks backline MUST look like IF he returnes:
    9. Charl McLeod
    10. Patrick Lambie
    11. Lwazi Mvovo
    12. Francois Steyn
    13. Tim Whitehead
    14. JP Pietersen
    15. Riaan Viljoen

    JP is doing well at outside centre, but he is a 10x better wing. Odwa is also playing nice rugby at the moment, but he is getting older as we speak.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.03.12 16:45:36 by sharksmart Reply

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  • Jeez the amount of times I was told this wasnt going to happen :roll:

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.03.12 16:52:45 by Talent Reply
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  • @sharksmart (Comment 62) : I am in agreement about your choices, but Odwa is evergreen – age is not an issue with him, he is just consistently consistent and doesn’t offer the flair that Sbura, Mvovo and JPP offer… but I remain a huge fan of Odwa, he reminds me of Deon Kayser – always around 7/10 every game for doing the basics right – its just that JPP and Mvovo might not be as consistent, but they can blow a game apart – gamebreakers (JPP, Mvovo, Sbura, Jordaan, Steyn) and gameholders (Ludik, Odwa, Bosman)… I’d like to pump my backline full of gamebreakers – and the one you just mentioned is exactly that… then bringing Paul Jordaan off the bench and Deysel off the bench at forwards and you have an 80 minute headache… Love it!

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.03.12 16:53:12 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 63) : Yep us humans are a speculative bunch… Speculation makes the bloggers world go around… But the Boks were more to blame for the loss of Frans than The Sharks were…

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.03.12 16:54:35 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 63) : I know right. I said there is no chance in hell he will go to the Cheetahs. I was told to shut up because he’s going to the Cheetahs. Finish en klaar. :lol:

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.03.12 17:06:21 by Ben Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 66) : Maybe he was but with speculation that a team may be dropped for the kings…

    But then again who would choose bloem over durbs ,lets be real :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.03.12 18:10:42 by Talent Reply
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  • So Frans Steyn could be returning to Durban…? Man, the last time I was this conflicted was when I was trying to decide if Derick Kuun can best be described as an a***hole or a d***head…

    On the one hand you have Frans Steyn, one of the most freakishly talented players of his generation, a player with bucket loads of X-factor, a guy who could win the game for you single-handedly. In short, a guy any right-minded person would want in their run-on team.

    Bu then you have Tim Whitehead, who, in his short tenure at the Sharks has already displayed a not-inconsiderable ability to create opportunities for- and bring into play the guys outside of him. He doesn’t have Frans’ natural gifts, and it’s a little early to be making absolute judgements, but I certainly get the feeling that if left to settle at 12 with JPP at 13 they could still become the rightful heirs to the throne vacated by Muir/Thompson.

    So, a case of an extravagantly talented yet potentially disruptive individual who can produce moments of brilliance vs. a team player with the ability to consistently create opportunities for others. Tough choice, and one that will require careful management, as I would not want to lose either player.

    Nice headache to be sitting with, though, and one I would never have predicted in 2011

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.03.12 19:16:54 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 63) : hahahaha , same here, but silently I kept on wishing….that the reliable sources might be wrong. Let’s just say on this, I will not stopp wishing for him to become a Shark untill its officially announced. One never knows!

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.03.12 19:31:28 by Ice Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 68) : I like thinking about a 12/13 axis like Muir and Thompson. From having an almost bare centre cupboard to having so many choices is a wonderful dilemma.

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.03.12 19:44:11 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 70) : the things as well is though, that (I agree with Morne) JPP is our best 14 in SA, so he will not be inconvenienced having to slot in their eithr. Is Timmy not a natural 13?

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.03.12 19:50:48 by Ice Reply
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  • If the coaching staff and players can agree on rotation being a good thing we could be sitting with two incredible combos. TW / PJ & FS / JPP – mix and match as you please. But as KSA mentioned earlier, it will require a mindset that neither may be comfortable with at first.

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.03.12 20:04:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 60) : Yes, i also like the skills Bosman has…he is a very solid player and can be a really great player, he just needs to put everyhting together and perform consistently…Cos he is a great technical tackler, great distributor and has the ability to offload in the tackle…he should just avoid those 50/50 offload which he has got wrong more often than not.

    Also his ability to attack the line when he stands at 10 is very good, his physical size when at 10 means he draws a couple of defenders and hos great long pass means he can take it very close to the line and still find the power and accuracy to fling a long skip pass to the fullback coming into the line. Hope him and Whitehead do well this weekend…i’m sure they will, they’ve both been in very solid form so far this season and long may it continue. :smile:

    If the forwards take it to the Tahs saturday i can’t see us losing with the backline players we have. Go Sharks!!! Also our pack with Alberts and Coetzee in the same trio has been great for our physical game, having bresler at 5 has also been good the last 2 games, physical!! And Deysel back soon…looking good!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.03.12 20:26:39 by JJR Reply
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  • When Deysel joins the squad it will be great for our rotation, will allow Coetzee to get a bit of a rest, Sykes to get a rest as Alberts and Deysel can play 4…will also give us more opportunity to give Keegan a rest aswell; and in saying that Deysel is a good fetcher too, so hopefully Bissie can also get a rest some time. Deysel is gonna have a really big impact and very positive impact on the squad when he (hopefully) joins the touring squad next week.

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.03.12 20:36:50 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 74) : Well I for one hope that Alberts and Deysel never play lock again.

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.03.12 20:43:59 by Ben Reply

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  • And again all I see is Timmy at 13, JP at 14. I know my comment on the other thread was a bit ‘over explained’ but basicly what i said was if Frans comes, Bosman becomes a 10, Timmy moves to 13, we would have no real 12 cover, so, hard as it may be for some to hear, Tim should bench, with Frans and JP in the midfield. Sure, Frans, Tim, JP looks impressive, but doesn’t Frans, JP, Odwa/Sbura look equally good? And doesn’t it look better if you add Timmy and Jordaan in the second half? Or do you prefer Oupa on the bench?

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.03.12 21:09:13 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Hey Rob i hope my source was wrong about him moving to Province

    If i was coach id play
    9 McLeod
    10 Lambie
    11 Mvovo
    12 Steyn
    13 Whitehead
    14 Peterson
    15 Viljoen

    bench Ludik, Bosman, Jordaan/Sbura/Odwa

    Its a tough call on Odwa, hes been playing well so far this season, but i think he might be on his way out, just my opinion, look hes never been one of the quickest wings around. I just think you have more in a player like Ludik and he is a 15 and have the pace on the wing, then there is still Jordaan and Sbura your future of the team, there will always be a place for him in the squad, if by putting him in the starting line up at the risk of loosing your younger players then i wont risk starting him.

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.03.12 22:01:50 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 68) :
    That’s how I see it too.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.03.12 22:46:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 71) : I didn’t say anything against Timmy at 13, he has done extremely well and I would like to see more of him there. JPP has also done a superb job but like you said it wouldn’t be an inconvenience to move him out to the wing.

    I suppose I should’ve elaborated more that I like the idea of having two bloody good centres rather than the style that Muir/Thompson used to play. We seem to have a lot of centres now but it doesn’t hurt to have a wing who can slot into that position seamlessly either. I hope I am making sense, I am rather tired and probably shouldn’t be commenting.

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.03.12 22:50:27 by lostfish Reply
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  • The eligibility regulations as supplied to me by SANZAR this morning.

    3.5 Qualifications of Players for the Super Rugby Finals Series.

    To be eligible to play in the Super Rugby Finals Series a Player must have been eligible to play in the country of that Team by no later than 1 April of that season; and

    a. Named in the official Super Rugby Squad of up to a maximum of 35 players as advised to SANZAR in the required form by the Monday prior to the first round of the regular Super Rugby season that year; or

    b. Added to the Squad during the season and been included in the match day 22 for four regular season matches for that Team; or

    c.Granted dispensation by SANZAR to be included in the Final Series. Such dispensation will only be granted in exceptional circumstances where, for example, the ability of the Team to name a match day 22 is compromised by injuries to otherwise eligible players in that Player’s position.

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.03.12 04:31:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 80) : ok, so they added requirement a to get around the “Swannie situation”.

    Frans isn’t going to be playing in the semi’s though, unless he makes a plan to get to Durban before the England series

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.03.12 08:32:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 75) : I mean they can cover 4…like maybe last 20 minutes of a game and we can have Deysel, Alberts and Coetzee on the field at the same time, which will be good if the game becomes loose last 20…to have as many looseforwards as possible on the field :smile:

  • Comment 82, posted at 22.03.12 08:47:39 by JJR Reply
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  • My reply button isnt working….so can’t quote Ben on his nonsense….People who thought that Steyn left because of the Sharks clearly weren’t thinking past their noses or for them selves. It has always been clear that Steyn left because of our dearly loved PDV….AND… Plumtree has recently confirmed this in an interview with SA Rugby Magazine….

    He is currently playing 13 for Racing Metro….

  • Comment 83, posted at 22.03.12 08:48:55 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • “@steyn_francois: I don’t know what I am going to do yet return or stay at racing but the sharks and racing metro have been talking to me”

  • Comment 84, posted at 22.03.12 08:50:21 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : All this talk of whether Francois will be eligible for the playoffs :roll:

    Just jumping the gun a tad there, I would think?

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.03.12 09:07:23 by Greg Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 78) : You should see it that way. I cribbed most of that post from stuff you said on Tuesday in the Berg :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 22.03.12 09:24:03 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 86) :
    :lol:

    You give me too much credit.

  • Comment 87, posted at 22.03.12 09:48:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 85) : yes, definitely

  • Comment 88, posted at 22.03.12 09:51:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Greg (Comment 85) : then again, we made it last year and if anything, have a far stronger squad this year so it’s not unreasonable to expect we should end in the top 6, is it?

  • Comment 89, posted at 22.03.12 09:52:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Oh My! What did I miss here?

  • Comment 90, posted at 22.03.12 11:09:13 by Uli Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Not unreasonable, no, but from what I am reading here it sounds like a done deal?

  • Comment 91, posted at 22.03.12 11:22:35 by Greg Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Bwhahahahahaha :lol:

  • Comment 92, posted at 22.03.12 11:40:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : Either you’re very sharp or missed his point completely. :)

  • Comment 93, posted at 22.03.12 11:41:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 93) : based on what I’ve been told, there’s very little doubt that Steyn will come back. So I answered the bit that I considered relevant :)

  • Comment 94, posted at 22.03.12 12:00:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : And that was in fact what I was talking about. Sharks have a decent side, but it’s a little premature to be talking about playoff spots. You need to get there first, before wondering who would be eligible to be playing.

  • Comment 95, posted at 22.03.12 12:17:42 by Greg Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 84) : We’ll know within a week.

    “I will give an answer within the next week … will let you know.,”

    So if it is only the Sharks from SA who are talking to him then why all the hoohaa? To me it sounds like what I originally maintained. Nothing more than trying to up his salary at Racing? If it was NOT about that and all about the “statement” made to Heyneke Meyer then why even entertain the offer from Racing?

  • Comment 96, posted at 22.03.12 17:19:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 96) : because conditions in his contract might not be met..?

  • Comment 97, posted at 22.03.12 18:51:39 by Ice Reply
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